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User: "stoney"
Date: 02 Mar 2006 09:10:38 PM
Object: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate]
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06
Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who
traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode
Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.
So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast
at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the
test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not
local.
And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he
was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."
He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.
What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned
to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way
things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything
changed after 9/11" thing.
But not Walter.
"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government should be
way away from us in that regard."
He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be
responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say
makes good, solid financial sense.
They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum
MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large
payment, a check for $6,522.
And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was
found questionable.
And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected
terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun
through customs.
They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.
After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account
had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the
amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.
So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.
"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.
They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the
little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.
They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage
higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified.
And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.
Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union
and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He
learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.
"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how easily
someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."
Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were
apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of
paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card
payment can pose a security threat.
But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has
been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid,
middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.
"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.
(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)
/end
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User: "DH"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 03 Mar 2006 08:18:27 AM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who
traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode
Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast
at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the
test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not
local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he
was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned
to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way
things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything
changed after 9/11" thing.

[snip]

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account
had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the
amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.

[snip]

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage
higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified.
And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.

[snip]

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)

What strikes me as REALLY stupid about this is that, rather than just
notifying DHS about the transaction, the credit card company froze the
transaction.
Wouldn't a REAL terrorist also get suspicious if their account was suddenly
frozen?
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 04 Mar 2006 05:17:47 PM
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:18:27 -0600, "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in
alt.atheism

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:crcf029dtmeltbqfdu360fsr7817rfp76b@4ax.com...

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06
PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who
traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode
Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast
at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the
test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not
local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he
was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned
to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way
things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything
changed after 9/11" thing.

[snip]

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account
had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the
amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.

[snip]

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage
higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified.
And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.

[snip]

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)

What strikes me as REALLY stupid about this is that, rather than just
notifying DHS about the transaction, the credit card company froze the
transaction.

What else can you expect but stupidity from Bush cronies?

Wouldn't a REAL terrorist also get suspicious if their account was suddenly
frozen?

Suspicious hell. They'd be out of the country on the next flight.

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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 03 Mar 2006 01:13:30 AM
In article <crcf029dtmeltbqfdu360fsr7817rfp76b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm

By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal
28-FEB-06

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who
traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode
Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast
at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the
test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not
local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he
was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned
to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way
things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything
changed after 9/11" thing.

But not Walter.

"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government should be
way away from us in that regard."

He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be
responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say
makes good, solid financial sense.

They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum
MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large
payment, a check for $6,522.

And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior was
found questionable.

And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected
terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun
through customs.

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account
had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the
amount available for credit on their account hadn't changed.

So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter called.

"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.

They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the
little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking.

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage
higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified.
And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.

Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union
and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He
learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act.

"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how easily
someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."

Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges were
apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of
paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card
payment can pose a security threat.

But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has
been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid,
middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost.

"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)

/end

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 03 Mar 2006 01:21:00 AM
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?

In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 04 Mar 2006 02:11:56 AM
In article <ngrf02telms8dp35l945qreeb4hfksdk37@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism



[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.

That sounds crooked. I hope that they don't try that over here.
Once some years ago a credit card company threatened to cancel my card
claiming that since I paid on time, I didn't need one. On my nest bill,
I underpaid by a dollar, paid the dollar plus 25 cents interest on the
next bill and they left me alone.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 04 Mar 2006 03:28:40 AM
johac wrote:

In article <ngrf02telms8dp35l945qreeb4hfksdk37@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism



[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.


That sounds crooked. I hope that they don't try that over here.

Once some years ago a credit card company threatened to cancel my card
claiming that since I paid on time, I didn't need one. On my nest
bill, I underpaid by a dollar, paid the dollar plus 25 cents interest
on the next bill and they left me alone.

Back in the early days of computer billing a friend did just the opposite.
He would pay an estimated amount for PG&E for several months in advance.
He would get nice letters asking him not to do this because the system could
not handle it properly.
He got the idea from another friend who would wait a year or more to cash
small government checks. He's probably the reason most are good for a
limited time now.
His most famous act was the fight he put up until the day he died with the
government.
He had a mining claim and they wanted to shut it down for some reason. He
kept filing papers and they kept filing papers. Boring? Not exactly. What he
knew and they did not was that they had contacted him about somebody elses
property. He knew he would loose someday and when he did was ready to tell
them it was the wrong property and start all over again.
Ah, Kenny I miss you sometimes.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 05 Mar 2006 01:56:57 AM
In article <c5dOf.65689$PL5.63377@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <ngrf02telms8dp35l945qreeb4hfksdk37@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism



[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.


That sounds crooked. I hope that they don't try that over here.

Once some years ago a credit card company threatened to cancel my card
claiming that since I paid on time, I didn't need one. On my nest
bill, I underpaid by a dollar, paid the dollar plus 25 cents interest
on the next bill and they left me alone.


Back in the early days of computer billing a friend did just the opposite.
He would pay an estimated amount for PG&E for several months in advance.
He would get nice letters asking him not to do this because the system could
not handle it properly.

I think that it may have been from the same era, but I heard that if you
wanted to drive a utility nuts, just overpay them by one cent one month,
then underpay them by one cent the next month and repeat many times.


He got the idea from another friend who would wait a year or more to cash
small government checks. He's probably the reason most are good for a
limited time now.

His most famous act was the fight he put up until the day he died with the
government.
He had a mining claim and they wanted to shut it down for some reason. He
kept filing papers and they kept filing papers. Boring? Not exactly. What he
knew and they did not was that they had contacted him about somebody elses
property. He knew he would loose someday and when he did was ready to tell
them it was the wrong property and start all over again.
Ah, Kenny I miss you sometimes.

Priceless! I wonder if they ever caught on?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 04 Mar 2006 05:14:08 PM
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:21:00 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.

That's because they play games and keep shifting the due date.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 05 Mar 2006 12:35:59 AM
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 15:14:08 -0800 in alt.atheism, stoney (stoney
<stoney@the.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:21:00 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism


On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism


[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.


That's because they play games and keep shifting the due date.

Absolutely. You can avoid the problem by setting up automatic payments
from your bank but it's really dodgy practice IMO.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 05 Mar 2006 11:24:57 AM
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:35:59 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
[]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.


That's because they play games and keep shifting the due date.


Absolutely. You can avoid the problem by setting up automatic payments
from your bank but it's really dodgy practice IMO.

It is dodgy practice.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 05 Mar 2006 01:51:43 AM
In article <7p7k02h5l4mrkcuubofukrihnh2qa7kp13@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:21:00 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism


On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:13:30 -0800 in alt.atheism, johac (johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism


[snip]

Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


In the UK VISA have introduced time penalties for people who do that,
which means if you don't use a direct debit payment, you may get
charged a penalty fee for late payment.


That's because they play games and keep shifting the due date.

The bastards caught me with that one once already.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.



User: "HotelCharlieOne"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 03 Mar 2006 08:14:16 AM
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-94DEF7.23133002032006@news.giganews.com:

In article <crcf029dtmeltbqfdu360fsr7817rfp76b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02
-28-06

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm

By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal 28-FEB-06

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher
who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall
in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has
breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has
passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is
definitely not local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me
that he was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have
learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part
of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that
"everything changed after 9/11" thing.

But not Walter.

"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government
should be way away from us in that regard."

He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be
responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would
say makes good, solid financial sense.

They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum
MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a
large payment, a check for $6,522.

And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior
was found questionable.

And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a
suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a
machine gun through customs.

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their
account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had
arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account
hadn't changed.

So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter
called.

"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.

They both learned the same astounding piece of information about
the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and
blinking.

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain
percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has
to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert
is lifted.

Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties
Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could
learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank
Privacy Act.

"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how
easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."

Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges
were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under
the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a
large credit card payment can pose a security threat.

But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of
privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds
solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights
being lost.

"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)

/end


Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?

No, you're safe as long as I'm around. I'm one of those "terrorists"
that doesn't own plastic. Not leaving a paper trail is certainly
un-patriotic, and thus, by Fearless Leader's definition "terrorist".
--
The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are gone. The America of our founders
is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pay too much and you could raise the alarm [pay credit card bill and homeland security has to investigate] 04 Mar 2006 02:06:22 AM
In article <Xns977B3F37470B5cipciphc1@199.45.49.11>,
HotelCharlieOne <Hotel_Charliie_One@yahoo.com> wrote:

johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-94DEF7.23133002032006@news.giganews.com:

In article <crcf029dtmeltbqfdu360fsr7817rfp76b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02
-28-06

Pay too much and you could raise the alarm

By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal 28-FEB-06

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher
who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall
in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while.

So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has
breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has
passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is
definitely not local.

And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me
that he was "madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail."

He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man.

What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have
learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part
of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that
"everything changed after 9/11" thing.

But not Walter.

"We're a product of the '60s," he said. "We believe government
should be way away from us in that regard."

He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be
responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would
say makes good, solid financial sense.

They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum
MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a
large payment, a check for $6,522.

And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges' behavior
was found questionable.

And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a
suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a
machine gun through customs.

They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they
learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their
account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had
arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account
hadn't changed.

So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company. Then Walter
called.

"When you mess with my money, I want to know why," he said.

They both learned the same astounding piece of information about
the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and
blinking.

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call
center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their
normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain
percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has
to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert
is lifted.

Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties
Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could
learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank
Privacy Act.

"The more I'm on, the scarier it gets," he said. "It's scary how
easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy."

Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up. The Soehnges
were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under
the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a
large credit card payment can pose a security threat.

But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of
privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds
solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights
being lost.

"If it can happen to me, it can happen to others," he said.

(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail
bkerr@projo.com.)

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)

/end


Geez. I'm one of those smartasses who pays his credit card off every
month. I wonder when they're coming after me?


No, you're safe as long as I'm around. I'm one of those "terrorists"
that doesn't own plastic. Not leaving a paper trail is certainly
un-patriotic, and thus, by Fearless Leader's definition "terrorist".

Don't worry. We'll visit you in Gitmo. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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