Religions > Atheism > Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with
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30 Oct 2007 08:57:18 PM |
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Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with |
=(1)= Critics of Islam say that the Holy Qur'an presents a concept of
God Who is cruel and only chastises and commands its followers to
violence, that there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments. [- God
forbid -]
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=(2)= Many people in the public eye, including the Pope, have made
such assertions about Islam. They conclude that due to its teaching
Islam is a religion of force and that is the reason Muslims are
inclined to aggression.
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=(3)= It is clear that these people have either not read the Qur'an or
not tried to understand it, such is their prejudice. Fact is that
Islam presents a most beautiful and matchless concept of God through
examples. The very first Chapter/Surah of the Qur'an elucidates this,
as the Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) explains that the Qur'an
accredits only the name of Allah qualified for all perfect qualities.
His attribute of Al Nur (The Light) as described in 24:36 "Allah is
the light of the heavens and the earth..." all other known light is a
reflection of Allah's light.
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=(4)= If others do not see the beauty in this or do not recognize the
Being of God then the fault lies with the beholder. In order to see
the beautiful concept of God that Islam presents one would have to be
open-minded.
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=(5)= As Promised Messiah (on whom be peace) expounded Allah has
numerous graces, however, He has four principal attributes:---
----(i)- The first grace as mentioned in Surah Fatiha in RABB ul
Alameen, (Lord of all the worlds) through this emanates His quality of
Rububiyyat, through which He creates and provides all that is needed
to nurture and sustain life. This grace operates in the entire cosmos
and all creation is benefiting from it. His Rububiyyat thus nurtures
all that is in existence however, as a grace, mankind gets the
greatest measure of it and that is why mankind is reminded that God is
Lord of all the worlds.
----(ii)- The second type of grace is Rahmaniyyat. God is named RAHMAN
because He granted all living things form and characteristic, just as
He has granted mankind its strengths and powers. Mankind has got the
biggest share of this grace as everything else is in operation for the
benefit of humans.
----(iii)- The third type of grace is Raheemiyyat. God is called
RAHEEM by virtue of His acceptance of prayers and good deeds of people
and by keeping them safe from calamities. This grace is exclusive for
mankind.
----(iv)- The fourth grace is inherent in 'Master of the Day of
Judgment', His MALIKiyyat. The distinction between Malikiyyat and
Raheemiyyat is that Allah accepts prayers and grants success through
Raheemiyyat while by virtue of Malikiyyat He bestows reward.
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=(6)= The holy Caliph of holy promised Messiah explained that above
mentioned is the basic concept of God in Islam. All deeds are
compensated accordingly; Allah does not mete out cruelty. Indeed, one
has to follow the guidance and function within the parameters of the
commandments. In this world man follows the man-made law and rules and
is cautious not to break them, however, man wishes to restrict
God....The Christians present the argument that one's sins are atoned by
another. This is not a rational point. Would they abide by this rule
in the worldly affairs? Why then is this absurd viewpoint thrust in
God's law? ......God is the Master, despite His rule that man can be
punished for his deeds, God has the power to forgive and He has
declared that His mercy prevails over everything. ......The accounts of
all the earlier prophets of God tell us that when transgression
exceeded all limits only then God's chastisement came.
=(7)= Despite the Divine attribute of *The Mighty (Al Aziz)* God is
neither hasty in punishment nor is He at the lookout to chastise. His
mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes. His attribute of Al
Aziz is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction with His
attribute of Al Hakeem (The Wise) - signifying that all His decisions
are with wisdom. Al Aziz is also mentioned with Al Raheem (Ever
Merciful), Al Hameed (The Praiseworthy), Al Wahab (The Bestower) or Al
Kareem (The Noble).
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=(8)= When the Qur'an refers to God as One Who punishes, the reasons
and explanations are cited as to why the punishment is given, such
references are only ten to twelve in number in the entire Qur'an... Any
fair minded person has no choice but to be inclined towards the Divine
attribute of Raheemiyyat as the most overwhelming attribute of God in
the Qur'an.....However, when God's law is consistently broken and all
limits are exceeded as well as God's beloved are rejected then God's
punishment comes with the objective to reform people or as a warning
for generations to come.
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=(9)= Qur'an mentions God as 'Possessor of the power to requite' or
'Lord of retribution' in four places. First, in Surah Al Imran (3:5)
where the earlier people are mentioned who deviated from the teachings
that were revealed for them, then in Surah Al Maidah (5:90) the
believers are addressed in terms of punishment for breaking the law of
God. In Surah Ibrahim (14:48) messengers of God and their followers
are assured that no matter how hard their opponents will try they will
meet a sorry end. Then in Surah Al Zumar (39:38) once again the
believers are given the surety that the adversaries will be punished.
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=(10)= The Qur'an also states that the Powerful God punished the
people of Hadhrat Saleh (peace be on him) who rejected him and
exceeded all limits in transgression.... It also states the people of
the Pharaoh in Surah Al Qamar 54:43 and the punishment they met....
These Quranic verses are a warning that the era of the Holy Prophet
(peace and blessings be on him) is now going to last till the end of
time and his message has been spread to the corners of the world
through his true and ardent devotee, therefore desist from hurting
them.... Rather than object to the God of Islam and the Prophet of Islam
have fear and awe of God... The concept of God, as presented by Islam is
the God Who saved all the prophets from their adversaries... Indeed, if
Allah did not declare His power and might, the world would have turned
calamitous.
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=(11)= According to the Islamic teaching, the religious buildings and
places of worship of other religions must be safeguarded even during
the time of war... There are the specific verses of Surah Al Hajj
(22:40-41) where Muslims are given permission to fight under strict
guidance.... In a situation when the peace of the world is in danger and
an attack is made and there is constant persecution, is it not likely
to raise arms to defend oneself? Is a commandment to fight in order to
stop transgression and to defend oneself devoid of wisdom?
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=(12)= As for the Muslims, they are reminded of the attribute of Al
Aziz in the Qur'an in Surah Al Baqarah (2:210), they are enjoined to
tread the path of His commandment, to strengthen their faith because
they have been enabled to believe in The Wise and The Mighty God. If
they slip up and lapse they may be punished, but this punishment would
not be an act of oppression rather a means to reform.
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=(13)= The true concept of the Mighty and The Wise God must be
presented by believers to dispel the misconceptions. God is Matchless
in His beauty and grace, He if punishes sins does so in order to
establish peace and security... Dispelling misconceptions, one need to
take the message to the believers so that they remain steadfast and
also to others onward for success....The holy Caliph requested prayers.
Pleasure of Allah is the focus.
Promised divine peace of latter days @ www.alislam.org www.mta.tv
with LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE.
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"love4all_hatred4none" wrote...
=(1)= Critics of Islam say that the Holy Qur'an presents a concept of
God Who is cruel and only chastises and commands its followers to
violence, that there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAB90plPqxo&NR=1
Is anti-Christ's number (666) in relation with Islam?
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:33:58 +0100, "Altazar"
<radenko.kosic@gmail.com> wrote:
"love4all_hatred4none" wrote...
=(1)= Critics of Islam say that the Holy Qur'an presents a concept of
God Who is cruel and only chastises and commands its followers to
violence, that there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAB90plPqxo&NR=1
Is anti-Christ's number (666) in relation with Islam?
"Religion poisons everything"
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31 Oct 2007 12:58:59 PM |
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"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right
dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
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http://www.crystalinks.com/666.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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31 Oct 2007 10:23:43 PM |
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:58:59 +0100, "Altazar"
<radenko.kosic@gmail.com> wrote:
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right
dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation
and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger
with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change
them."
- Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Nov 2007 12:17:06 AM |
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:23:43 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:58:59 +0100, "Altazar"
<radenko.kosic@gmail.com> wrote:
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right
dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
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| User: "Altazar" |
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01 Nov 2007 04:10:27 AM |
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"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
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http://altazar.blog.hr/
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| User: "traveller" |
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05 Nov 2007 05:48:00 AM |
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On Nov 1, 4:10 am, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
--http://altazar.blog.hr/- Hide quoted text -
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"right" this word has as much reason as "wrong"
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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05 Nov 2007 08:00:30 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:48:00 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 4:10 am, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
--http://altazar.blog.hr/- Hide quoted text -
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"right" this word has as much reason as "wrong"
What???
Don't post while you are drunk/stoned please.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Nov 2007 09:02:41 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:30:30 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:48:00 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 4:10 am, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
--http://altazar.blog.hr/- Hide quoted text -
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"right" this word has as much reason as "wrong"
What???
Don't post while you are drunk/stoned please.
You missed "stupid", which I think explains his posts.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably
giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all
means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a
Christian and laugh it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis
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06 Nov 2007 05:23:21 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:02:41 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:30:30 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:48:00 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 4:10 am, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
--http://altazar.blog.hr/- Hide quoted text -
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"right" this word has as much reason as "wrong"
What???
Don't post while you are drunk/stoned please.
You missed "stupid", which I think explains his posts.
Upon review of his/her incoherent drivel, it looks very much as though
all 3 apply.
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01 Nov 2007 09:01:09 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion
is a form of philosophy.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation
and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger
with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change
them."
- Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Altazar" |
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01 Nov 2007 08:32:03 PM |
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"Al Klein" wrote...
...religion is a form of philosophy.
Form is a philosophy of religion. :-)
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http://altazar.blog.hr/
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| User: "traveller" |
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05 Nov 2007 05:56:10 AM |
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On Nov 1, 8:32 pm, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote...
...religion is a form of philosophy.
Form is a philosophy of religion. :-)
--http://altazar.blog.hr/
religion is for those who need comfort. an idea of universal truth.
the security, a knowing, they are never alone, abondoned, rejected.
However, religion will not change the heart of mankind it will always
and forever act on its own. Religion does not direct man-man directs
religion. Man will always and forever be apart of himself.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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05 Nov 2007 07:59:58 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:56:10 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:32 pm, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote...
...religion is a form of philosophy.
Form is a philosophy of religion. :-)
--http://altazar.blog.hr/
religion is for those who need comfort. an idea of universal truth.
the security, a knowing, they are never alone, abondoned, rejected.
However, religion will not change the heart of mankind it will always
and forever act on its own. Religion does not direct man-man directs
religion. Man will always and forever be apart of himself.
Can you restate that in English instead of "spaced out hippy"??
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01 Nov 2007 03:42:04 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Nov 2007 08:28:57 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
I hope that this was tongue-in-cheek.
We had "the scientific method" well before Popper.
And it did NOT come from philosophers.
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05 Nov 2007 06:02:17 AM |
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On Nov 2, 8:28 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nob...@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
I hope that this was tongue-in-cheek.
We had "the scientific method" well before Popper.
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science and philosophy are one in the same. seakers. a non-ending
search for proof of theory.
matter vs. mind of matter
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05 Nov 2007 07:59:23 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:02:17 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 8:28 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nob...@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.ko...@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
I hope that this was tongue-in-cheek.
We had "the scientific method" well before Popper.
And it did NOT come from philosophers.- Hide quoted text -
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science and philosophy are one in the same.
Rubbish.
seakers. a non-ending
search for proof of theory.
matter vs. mind of matter
The only science that seeks "proofs" is mathematics.
And what the hell is "mind of matter"?
Don't hesistate to actually be clear in your description, if you are
able.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Nov 2007 10:02:13 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:02:17 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
science and philosophy are one in the same. seakers.
Science seeks to know. Philosophy seeks to claim.
a non-ending search for proof of theory.
Neither science nor philosophy. Science doesn't seek proof and
philosophy has no theories.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
children smart.
- H. L. Mencken
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08 Nov 2007 07:49:46 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:02:13 -0500, Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:02:17 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
science and philosophy are one in the same. seakers.
Science seeks to know. Philosophy seeks to claim.
I'd say it was more a case of science asks "how", philosophy asks "why".
Science looks at us, our ancestors, all the life around us and asks "How
did we get so much diversity?" Philosophy looks at us, our ancestors, all
the life around us and asks "Why are we all here?"
Nothing inherently wrong with either, but of the two, philosophy seems to
run a distant second when it comes to finding answers.
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Whoever needs psychologists needs their head examined.
-- Marty Leipzig
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09 Nov 2007 07:01:24 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:49:46 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:02:13 -0500, Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:02:17 -0000, traveller
<roseartpickett@gmail.com> wrote:
science and philosophy are one in the same. seakers.
Science seeks to know. Philosophy seeks to claim.
Philosophy also seeks to know.
I'd say it was more a case of science asks "how", philosophy asks "why".
Science does a lot more than that.
Science looks at us, our ancestors, all the life around us and asks "How
did we get so much diversity?"
and a lot more.
Philosophy looks at us, our ancestors, all
the life around us and asks "Why are we all here?"
So does science.
Nothing inherently wrong with either, but of the two, philosophy seems to
run a distant second when it comes to finding answers.
I'd say a distant fifth.
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02 Nov 2007 09:18:12 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:58:57 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion
is a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
I hope that this was tongue-in-cheek. We had "the scientific method"
well before Popper. And it did NOT come from philosophers.
In that case, I've been mis-educated.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you! |
02 Nov 2007 11:09:01 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:18:12 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:58:57 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion
is a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
I hope that this was tongue-in-cheek. We had "the scientific method"
well before Popper. And it did NOT come from philosophers.
In that case, I've been mis-educated.
Most likely. Most education about things we take for granted takes
for granted that what we take for granted is what actually happened.
It usually isn't.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you! |
02 Nov 2007 07:30:37 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
We had science before Popper. <G>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you! |
02 Nov 2007 07:47:39 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:30:37 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar" <radenko.kosic@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The
right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion is
a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
We had science before Popper. <G>
Popper proposed the "falsification" type of method we have now. But
we probably would have had something similar by now without him.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
- Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort
Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you! |
02 Nov 2007 08:14:09 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:47:39 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:30:37 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar"
<radenko.kosic@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion
is a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
We had science before Popper. <G>
Popper proposed the "falsification" type of method we have now. But we
probably would have had something similar by now without him.
I agree, but that something would still be philosophy.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you! |
02 Nov 2007 11:07:51 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:14:09 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:47:39 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:30:37 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:42:04 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nobody@notmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:01:09 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:10:27 +0100, "Altazar"
<radenko.kosic@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" wrote...
"Al Klein" wrote...
"Altazar" wrote...
"Mani Deli" wrote...
"Religion poisons everything"
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison.
The right dose differentiates a poison.." Paracelsus (1493-1541)
The "right" dose of religion is none at all.
Or even less, if possible.
What is the "right" dose of philosophy?
A trifle less than the "right" dose of religion, seeing that religion
is a form of philosophy.
Hey, don't be too hard on philosophy. Without it we wouldn't have the
scientific method; Popper was a philosopher.
We had science before Popper. <G>
Popper proposed the "falsification" type of method we have now. But we
probably would have had something similar by now without him.
I agree, but that something would still be philosophy.
I wouldn't consider the scientific method to be philosophy.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When
has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not
obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?"
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction w |
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On Oct 30, 9:57 pm, love4all_hatred4none <bashirr_naz...@yahoo.com>
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<snip>
there is no wisdom in the Islamic commandments.
<trimmed for brevity and accuracy>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction w |
03 Nov 2007 08:21:59 PM |
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Religion is root of all evil in human civilization.
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| User: "traveller" |
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| Title: Re: Peace be upon you!...Reply to objections on Islam regarding God....His mercy is prevalent over all His other attributes....His four basic attributes.... His attribute of Al Aziz (The Mighty) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an mostly in conjunction w |
05 Nov 2007 06:05:58 AM |
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On Nov 3, 8:21 pm, wrote:
Religion is root of all evil in human civilization.
I have found that there is nothing absolute. When the "answer" is
found the mind does not hear the question.
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