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"Ray Martinez" |
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08 Nov 2005 02:59:40 AM |
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Penalty from God: Atheism |
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Penalty from God: Atheism |
08 Nov 2005 07:58:03 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ray Martinez ("Ray
Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
Silly position though, isn't it?
"If you're an atheist it's because the penalty imposed upon you for
your atheism is, erm, atheism".
Hummmmmm...... Brilliant, not least for the possibility of
catastrophic temporal paradox...
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| User: "Ike" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:51:28 AM |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131418780.609303.81740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
It was the percieved encroachments that got to me, plus the conceived
cockroaches.
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
I stopped arguing about cockroaches ever since I rented a basement from some
lesbians who brought a new girl in, with roaches in her laundry basket and
the accused me of it, maybe because they were jealous that she liked me.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
And what was I supposed to do pray about it?
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
I don't recall that particular proverb!
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
What about him, he has roaches too?
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:54:57 AM |
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In article <QVXbf.6312$m81.153@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com says...
"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131418780.609303.81740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
It was the percieved encroachments that got to me, plus the conceived
cockroaches.
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
I stopped arguing about cockroaches ever since I rented a basement from some
lesbians who brought a new girl in, with roaches in her laundry basket and
the accused me of it, maybe because they were jealous that she liked me.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
And what was I supposed to do pray about it?
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
I don't recall that particular proverb!
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
What about him, he has roaches too?
Worms, more likely. He's only alive on shortwave radio and TV now..
"Play the ***** music!" He was a trip.
BDK
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:37:51 AM |
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"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131418780.609303.81740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
Dr. Scott obviously forgot to teach you how to
cite your claims.
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| User: "Bear" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:31:12 AM |
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"Ray Martinez" wrote
: The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
: percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
: your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
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: This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
: will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
: derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
: claim/fact.
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: God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
: penalty.
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: Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
: self-importance ready for her close-up.
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: Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
: University
I bet you are an embarrassment to him.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Nov 2005 08:14:31 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:31:12 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Ray Martinez" wrote
: The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
: percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
: your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
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: This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
: will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
: derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
: claim/fact.
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: God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
: penalty.
:
: Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
: self-importance ready for her close-up.
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: Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
: University
I bet you are an embarrassment to him.
Apart from being dead, would that be possible? Gene Scott was an
embarrassment to himself.
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| User: "" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:20:19 AM |
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Does God play for Arsenal?
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| User: "Katt" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:34:48 PM |
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<Donalbain@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131445219.073893.13660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Does God play for Arsenal?
Christians certainly talk as if football is involved somewhere. I mean, they
even think the origin of life ... was ... goal-directed...!!
*Ahem*...
Katt.
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| User: "Cardinal Numbaz" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:12:28 AM |
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Does God play for Arsenal?
No, Chelsea. Only Abramovich could afford the transfer fees.
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| User: "Pramod Subramanyan" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:23:03 PM |
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Does God play for Arsenal?
No, He is Frank Rijkaard.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:17:53 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Ray Martinez poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
< chuckle! > Brilliant argument - atheism is the will of God.
So who are we to mess with the Grand Scheme?
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
Here's another invulnerable claim: Theism is a mental disease. Theists
are sufficient proof of this claim.
....
Regards,
Josef
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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08 Nov 2005 02:54:03 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez"
<pyramidial@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Troll, and you misused the concept of "proverbial".
Don
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Nov 2005 07:23:54 AM |
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In article <1131418780.609303.81740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
pyramidial@yahoo.com says...
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
LOL yourself. Laugh on, loon.
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
Now your really talking crazy. Where did you get this nonsense from?
Let me guess, the bible?? LOL.
Bible = Old book of myths and fables.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
God is a fictional character.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Believers are scared of dying and need a crutch to hold on to.
Weak minded indeed.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
LOL, now it makes sense. Gene was a messed up old man before he checked
out..
BDK
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| User: "John Baker" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:25:27 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
This is your brain on Jesus, kids. Any questions?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:27:13 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
One would like to think that the above is a joke, but then again I
have met theists stupid enough to say such things. I find it
depressing.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:59:12 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:27:13 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
One would like to think that the above is a joke, but then again I
have met theists stupid enough to say such things. I find it
depressing.
He's posted this several times. He must imagine he's making some kind
of point.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Nov 2005 05:28:52 PM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can
and will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the
argument is derived from God as only He could produce such an
invulnerable claim/fact.
One would like to think that the above is a joke, but then again I
have met theists stupid enough to say such things. I find it
depressing.
See Romans 11. Paul tells us that the reasons
the Jews did not accept Christ is because of god.
The Quran says Allah creates disbelievers too.
Yet, we have free will! (Ignoring Romans 8 -9).
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:57:38 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
The sad thing is that you aren't a troll; you're really that
invincibly stupid.
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Nov 2005 08:13:30 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
Idiot.
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
It's not a caimbut your falsehood.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Figments of your deluded imagination can't do anything, moron.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Either a liar or an idiot. Most likely both.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
Which explains why you are such a loony.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:55:26 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
What a fucking idiot!
[]
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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08 Nov 2005 06:41:32 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
Hmm. Care to cite chapter and verse?
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| User: "Kamikaze pig missionaries" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:58:00 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 18:59:40 -0800, Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
Ray, I've got some very bad news for you. That tail you are chasing is
yours. What do you think that makes you look like?
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:02:05 AM |
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Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God
And what a penalty it is. I get to do whatever I want on Sunday, I
have complete freedom of thought, I look at erotic images and swear
like a sailor with no guilt. Please, God, punish me some more.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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08 Nov 2005 07:18:32 AM |
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"Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santolina@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1131421098.850756.33560@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God
And what a penalty it is. I get to do whatever I want on Sunday, I
have complete freedom of thought, I look at erotic images and swear
like a sailor with no guilt. Please, God, punish me some more.
Amen ;)
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08 Nov 2005 10:29:01 PM |
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Santolina chamaecyparissus wrote:
Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God
And what a penalty it is. I get to do whatever I want on Sunday, I
have complete freedom of thought, I look at erotic images and swear
like a sailor with no guilt. Please, God, punish me some more.
I prefer worshipping Hypnos, in an appropriate manner, of course.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:51:33 PM |
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Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
God strictly controls desire for Him; if you have none = effects of
penalty.
Atheists are the proverbial aged movie star convinced of her
self-importance ready for her close-up.
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott Ph.D. Stanford
University
My initial thought is this is satire, but then most theists here seem
to satirize themselves. Is this guy serious?
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| User: "" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:27:18 AM |
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Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
This is an invulnerable claim - no matter how much you deny I can and
will attribute the denial to the penalty = proof that the argument is
derived from God as only He could produce such an invulnerable
claim/fact.
Errr.. its pretty easy to come up with invulnerable claims. Look, I
will do it now.
I hereby claim that Ray Martinez is controlled by pink aliens from the
planet Stoopid. However, they do not want people to know about their
control, and so they will use their puppet Ray to deny the claim. Thus,
every time he says he is not a Stoopid Sock Puppet, that is actually
evidence that he is.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:38:28 PM |
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Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
So God punishes unbelievers by making them unbelievers? And then
punishes
them for being unbelievers?
The mind boggles at the mere magnitude of stupidity in those notions..
RS
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| User: "Ray Martinez" |
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09 Nov 2005 12:30:54 AM |
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Richard Smol wrote:
Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
So God punishes unbelievers by making them unbelievers? And then
punishes
them for being unbelievers?
The mind boggles at the mere magnitude of stupidity in those notions..
RS
Negative. They were not unbelievers within - they knew regardless of
what they claim externally.
The OP argument says atheists WERE courted by God but after getting
flipped off God ceases the courting and gives you a push in the
direction you chose.
IOW, atheism is a penalty for snubbing God. You did know and are lying.
O.T. says Pharoah hardened his heart. THEN it says God hardened his
heart.
What is the unpardonable sin ?
Whatever it is it is the last straw; effects include irrational beliefs
that God does not exist; feelinglessness towards God; no fear of hell.
If a person fears hell (even slightly) THEN this means God has not
given up on you. Conversely, if you do not fear God or hell = God has
disconnected your receiver and you are damned. When you die God will
review your life and show you exactly when and where you snubbed Him.
The N.T. says about hell; "where the worm dieth not" = worm = memory =
the snubbing of God will be the only thing you remember about your life
while you burn for all eternity.
Turn to God - now, while you can.
Ray
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| User: "thomas p" |
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09 Nov 2005 08:59:28 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 16:30:54 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Richard Smol wrote:
Ray Martinez wrote:
The Bible explains atheism as a penalty from God for resisting His
percieved encroachments one day too long - and you atheists thought
your intellectuality was the cause. LOL !
So God punishes unbelievers by making them unbelievers? And then
punishes
them for being unbelievers?
The mind boggles at the mere magnitude of stupidity in those notions..
RS
Negative. They were not unbelievers within - they knew regardless of
what they claim externally.
The OP argument says atheists WERE courted by God but after getting
flipped off God ceases the courting and gives you a push in the
direction you chose.
IOW, atheism is a penalty for snubbing God. You did know and are lying.
O.T. says Pharoah hardened his heart. THEN it says God hardened his
heart.
What is the unpardonable sin ?
Whatever it is it is the last straw; effects include irrational beliefs
that God does not exist; feelinglessness towards God; no fear of hell.
If a person fears hell (even slightly) THEN this means God has not
given up on you. Conversely, if you do not fear God or hell = God has
disconnected your receiver and you are damned. When you die God will
review your life and show you exactly when and where you snubbed Him.
The N.T. says about hell; "where the worm dieth not" = worm = memory =
the snubbing of God will be the only thing you remember about your life
while you burn for all eternity.
Turn to God - now, while you can.
You just said we couldn't. Well it is your fantasy, so you can babble
as much as you want. Have fun.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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