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User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 04 Apr 2006 04:12:34 AM
Object: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532974/posts
Princeton Bioethicist says only Know-Nothing Religious Fundamentalists
will Value Human Life by 2040
LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/2/05 | Hilary White
Posted on 12/02/2005 2:41:36 PM PST by wagglebee
PRINCETON, December 2, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Infamous advocate of
infanticide and the man often credited as the founder of the modern
radical animal rights movement, Dr. Peter Singer, was featured in the
National Post this week predicting that the traditional ethics of
western civilization would shortly be abolished. Singer's comments
appeared first in the September/October edition of the journal Foreign
Policy as a speculation on what cherished social institutions would
still exist in 35 years.
Singer, a strict utilitarian and the man the New York Times called the
'greatest living philosopher,' says, 'By 2040, it may be that only a
rump of hard-core, know-nothing religious fundamentalists will defend
the view that every human life, from conception to death, is
sacrosanct.'
The title, 'The Sanctity of Life,' can only be meant as ironic coming
from a man who has made his fame advocating abortion through all nine
months of pregnancy, infanticide up to thirty days after birth and
euthanasia for the elderly and infirm.
Singer's predictions, shocking as they may appear, are well on the way
to fruition, however. With the advance of utilitarian philosophy at
both ends of human life, first with abortion, then with cloning, IVF,
and growing rates of infanticide, and then with the acceptance of
euthanasia, Singer has merely given an approving nod to what is
verifiably happening all over the world.
He predicts bluntly, 'During the next 35 years, the traditional view of
the sanctity of human life will collapse under pressure from
scientific, technological, and demographic developments.'
What Singer refuses to acknowledge is that there is no unavoidable
necessity for this collapse. In fact most of it is being forced on
nations by activist judges, undemocratic government and other
organization actions and ruthless elites, who have constantly distorted
facts to suit their agendas.
Technology has been developing since the emergence of organized human
culture. In all that time, however, it is not until our own epoch that
the suicidal anti-human philosophy has been so broadly accepted. In no
other time before the modern age, has it been seriously proposed that
the development of technology must necessarily supercede the inherent
value of human life.
Ironically, as the implementation of Singer's philosophical imperatives
of drastic population reduction, mass euthanasia programmes, abortion
and infanticide advance, the logical outcome will be that only those
'know-nothing religious fundamentalists' he excoriates will survive the
anti-human pogroms.
.

User: "Jim07D6"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 07:10:32 PM
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> said:
<...>


Ironically, as the implementation of Singer's philosophical imperatives
of drastic population reduction, mass euthanasia programmes, abortion
and infanticide advance, the logical outcome will be that only those
'know-nothing religious fundamentalists' he excoriates will survive the
anti-human pogroms.

Ebb and flow, ebb and flow, the morality responds to the necessity,
and justifies it.
--- Jim07D6
.

User: "SleepyHeed"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 10 Apr 2006 08:16:35 AM

PRINCETON, December 2, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Infamous advocate of
infanticide and the man often credited as the founder of the modern
radical animal rights movement, Dr. Peter Singer, was featured in the
National Post this week predicting that the traditional ethics of
western civilization would shortly be abolished. Singer's comments
appeared first in the September/October edition of the journal Foreign
Policy as a speculation on what cherished social institutions would
still exist in 35 years.

Singer, a strict utilitarian and the man the New York Times called the
'greatest living philosopher,' says, 'By 2040, it may be that only a
rump of hard-core, know-nothing religious fundamentalists will defend
the view that every human life, from conception to death, is
sacrosanct.'

The title, 'The Sanctity of Life,' can only be meant as ironic coming
from a man who has made his fame advocating abortion through all nine
months of pregnancy, infanticide up to thirty days after birth and
euthanasia for the elderly and infirm.

Singer's predictions, shocking as they may appear, are well on the way
to fruition, however. With the advance of utilitarian philosophy at
both ends of human life, first with abortion, then with cloning, IVF,
and growing rates of infanticide, and then with the acceptance of
euthanasia, Singer has merely given an approving nod to what is
verifiably happening all over the world.

He predicts bluntly, 'During the next 35 years, the traditional view of
the sanctity of human life will collapse under pressure from
scientific, technological, and demographic developments.'

What Singer refuses to acknowledge is that there is no unavoidable
necessity for this collapse. In fact most of it is being forced on
nations by activist judges, undemocratic government and other
organization actions and ruthless elites, who have constantly distorted
facts to suit their agendas.

Technology has been developing since the emergence of organized human
culture. In all that time, however, it is not until our own epoch that
the suicidal anti-human philosophy has been so broadly accepted. In no
other time before the modern age, has it been seriously proposed that
the development of technology must necessarily supercede the inherent
value of human life.


Ironically, as the implementation of Singer's philosophical imperatives
of drastic population reduction, mass euthanasia programmes, abortion
and infanticide advance, the logical outcome will be that only those
'know-nothing religious fundamentalists' he excoriates will survive the
anti-human pogroms.

Well let's not get too carried away, shall we? Singer's views are
controversial even within the philosophical community and I suspect
most level-headed people prefer to wait and see what the long-term
future brings rather than making rather unsound pronouncements about
what 'will' happen. I'll wager that for all his philosophy Mr. Singer
is no more clairvoyant than the cup of tea I drank this morning.
I'm also not convinced by the idea that the only way to combat Mr.
Singer's views are to postulate the inherent value of human life either
- it's a bit too tied to religious views concerning mankind's place in
the world. I think a healthy sense of self-preservation is a better way
to steer clear of objectivist ethics and the kind of almost wilful
self-destruction Mr. Singer seems to want to urge upon us.
I suspect, though, that Mr. Singer is just as hypocritical as the rest
of us. What's the betting he'd beg for his life even if it could be
conclusively shown his life was unnecessary?
.

User: "eatfastnoodle"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 10 Apr 2006 03:54:19 AM
If so, there wouldnt be so many suicide bombers, seriously, those
people done even value their own lives, how can you expect them to
value other people's lives? The explosive population of Middle Eastern
countries, at least in some ways, leads to the explosive growth of
ignorant Muslim youths, a ready pool for terrorist recruition, so,
Pro-life guys, you are not only Pro life, but also Pro terrorist
manufacturing. Good luck. May your children live happily in future
suicide infested world
.
User: "Turner"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 10 Apr 2006 07:41:42 AM

If so, there wouldnt be so many suicide bombers, seriously, those
people done even value their own lives, how can you expect them to
value other people's lives? The explosive population of Middle Eastern
countries, at least in some ways, leads to the explosive growth of
ignorant Muslim youths, a ready pool for terrorist recruition,

Religious fundamentalists are not only Muslim, but also Christian,
Jewish
and (lately in India) Hindu as well.

Pro-life guys, you are not only Pro life, but also Pro terrorist
manufacturing. Good luck. May your children live happily in future
suicide infested world

Another confusion. Pro-life "guys" are typically the targets of
terrorism.
How do you equate anti-abortionism with "pro terrorism"?
.


User: "tooly"

Title: on corporations 04 Apr 2006 10:14:33 AM
Laizze Faire enterprise leads to growing human industry, wealth, and
prosperity...but only when certain aspects of 'free markets' are met...such
as what is termed 'perfect competition', where there are many producers all
able to enter the market freely, and without hinderence, were no price on
goods can be influenced by anything except what people are willing and able
to pay. Adam Smith's 'invisible hands' works...as long as human's remain
their own agents as individuals.
A powerful method was found in free market enterprise, where men could
gather resources together in tiny sums, to create large sums...and together
create tremendous capital and productivity...where the individuals who threw
their lot into the aggregate could 'share' profits like in kind to their
'shares in that aggregate' at magnified rates compared to other investments
that may have been possible. Thusly, capitalization was born and a new
legal entity...the Corporation.
It is this 'engine' of productivity that has empowered industrialization to
move human existence on into the modern era, to build skyscrapers and dams
and moon rocket ships...and to tackle the cure for cancer. For all the good
capitalization has brought us, there has been a 'grand price' to pay over
and above the tags put upon goods and services.
From the getgo, there was perhaps a central overriding flaw to the Corporate
entity...that even today is well known, but perhaps we still cannot
understand the deeper significanse. That flaw is given the term 'Diffused
Responsibility'. All it means, is that when many people own something, NO
ONE feels responsible, beyond what is at 'risk' in the company. And this
is what Corporations were all about...minimizing risk for individuals. In
essence, NO ONE really OWNS such a company.
So...who runs the company one might ask. Well, boards run the company;
appointed managers as CEO's and CFO's...who are there as 'representitives'
FIRST AND FOREMOST to the interests of stockholders. That means they serve
PROFIT...and nothing else.
Corporations, by their nature, are entities that have no HUMAN
CONSCIENCE...no alturism, no moral platitude, no dictates of rightness or
wrongness...no sense of higher domain by which to guide decisionmaking.
Concience is available of course, in those who run the companies, but only
as a rational 'counsel' to know how better to manipulate the masses who buy
their products. If conscience is ever seen at the corporate level, realize
that is part of rational strategy to embark image upon the consumer for
reason of better market share. Only profit is served as the base premise of
corporate behavior.
The mental groundwork in the corporate mindset is nothing less than
Macheavelli's Prince, where devious intelligence is always the true arbiter
of reality...by the nature of the beast we ourselves have created.
There are still those that argue that Corporations will be held accountable
at the marketplace, where demand in humans rises, ebbs, and moves along with
brand recognition, reputation, and product usefulness. But corporations
have long since become conglomerates so large and powerful that today, they
rival national governments in influence and control...but never up front
where people can see, but always behind the scenes, silently as power
brokers who control the flow of money. Politicians see themselves working
for the interests of their constituents in providing such things as jobs,
higher wages, more industry...but as rational manipulations of those who
control where Capital is to be deployed...ergo...Corporations.
Corporations have long since gone global...attaching themselves to even
larger aggregates as Groups, where business segments [gigantic themselves]
are bought and sold like poker chips on a gambler's table; where markets
exist upon markets upon other markets...where the actual business of
creating goods and services are often the last pawn in a chain of power
broker manipulations. Power has aggregated and the line between government
and corporate interest has faded to become almost non-existent. What is
good for IBM is good for America and visa versa...etc etc...except IBM no
longer is really an American company, but a global force as well as most
competitive corporations in the world today.
National identity is being erased from the map of human existence for reason
that it better fits the Corporate entity to do so.
Still, there are those that would argue this all for the better and more
efficient use of resources this planet has to offer, and better prices on
goods and serves, and wealth creation for all.
It remains, there is NO human conscience at work behind the single focused
entity called the Corporation. We are allowing corporate interests to usurp
our national interests, to erase borders, erradicate heritages, to sell out
our human identities.
We should recognize what is happening, the source...and ask if this what we
want to happen? Anyone holding onto the warmth of human idealism as found
in our traditions of morality and higher domain, may find such a world a
corporate globalism is creating an alien harsh landscape indeed. The
intellectuals will tell us it is just 'change'...and we should adapt?
Should we? Or is this something to resist?
The corporate entity is the crux of the question as we are giving up our
human identity to be servant to this new entity...as a conglomerate
overseeing power that we will all be beholding to [most of us already are].
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 09:35:12 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1144141954.840196.38350@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>...

Princeton Bioethicist says only Know-Nothing Religious Fundamentalists
will Value Human Life by 2040

Fundamentalists have *never valued human life.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this one...
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Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
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.
User: "Robert Cohen"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 01:27:32 PM
re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"
Nat Hentoff has been published in the VILLAGE VOICE and other such
radical places.
His independence of mind is extraordinary.
I think he too is anti-abortion.
I am not against abortion, while I like it when individuals are not
conformists/stereotypes/fools.
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 01:30:34 PM
Robert Cohen wrote:

re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"

Nat Hentoff has been published in the VILLAGE VOICE and other such
radical places.

His independence of mind is extraordinary.

I think he too is anti-abortion.

I am not against abortion, while I like it when individuals are not
conformists/stereotypes/fools.

Will someone please translate the above into English for me?
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 02:08:31 PM
What's so funny about peace, love and "Robert Cohen"
<robtcohen@msn.com> posting the following on 4 Apr 2006 11:27:32 -0700
iin alt.atheism?

re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"

Little Boxes was written by Malvina Reynolds.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 02:14:14 PM
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:08:31 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "Robert Cohen"
<robtcohen@msn.com> posting the following on 4 Apr 2006 11:27:32 -0700
iin alt.atheism?

re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"


Little Boxes was written by Malvina Reynolds.

It's supposed to have been written about Daly City.
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 03:06:48 PM
Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:08:31 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "Robert Cohen"
<robtcohen@msn.com> posting the following on 4 Apr 2006 11:27:32 -0700
iin alt.atheism?

re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"


Little Boxes was written by Malvina Reynolds.


It's supposed to have been written about Daly City.

And Pete Seeger was a folk singer, not Pete Singer.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 03:42:39 PM
On 4 Apr 2006 13:06:48 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:08:31 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and "Robert Cohen"
<robtcohen@msn.com> posting the following on 4 Apr 2006 11:27:32 -0700
iin alt.atheism?

re: Pete Singer, the lefty composer of LITTLE BOXES etal is "right to
life"


Little Boxes was written by Malvina Reynolds.


It's supposed to have been written about Daly City.


And Pete Seeger was a folk singer, not Pete Singer.

Is.
I used to live in the Bay Area and drive past past the boxes made of
ticky-tacky regularly. Then work took me to the Hudson Valley in New
York, and I was so pleased to learn that one of my 1960s heroes was
still with us. He's very active locally, with schools and the Hudson
River clean-up project. Even the local establishment is proud of him.

.
User: "Robert Cohen"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 06:48:43 PM
re: Pete Seeger, oooooooppppppsssss
who is Pete Singer?
.
User: "Stu"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 08:47:04 PM
On 2006-04-04 16:48:43 -0700, "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> said:

re: Pete Seeger, oooooooppppppsssss

who is Pete Singe

He is a philosopher with a emphasis on ethics. I just read his
excellent biography of his Grandfather, a World War I hero who was
killed by the Nazis. Chilling book.
The criticisms of this man are religious paranoid fear couched in
medieval fantasy. There are so many misconceptions about Singer's
thinking that it would be a waste of time to criticize it rationally.
--
~Stu
.

User: "Robert Cohen"

Title: Re: Peter Singer: By 2040, Only Religious Fundamentalists Will Value Human Life 04 Apr 2006 06:52:12 PM
re: Doctor Singer, the ethicist
He has a point, and thus the aforementioned to the contrary
notwithstanding my faux pause, I didn't kknow it was Daly City, near
Frisco, because it coulda been Levittowns USA.
.









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