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"me" |
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23 Jun 2005 09:23:04 PM |
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Picking at the Bible |
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
There has long been a suspicion that both the Old and the New Testaments are
fraudulent - that someone "concocted" them.
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was - namely, Ezra.
The New Testament, however, is a more difficult nut to crack.
Those who have "clear" minds observe that the Gospel of Mark is almost certainly the
source of everything else in this body of sacred texts.
Why the hell does it begin with ARCHE? (which means, "beginning", "starting point")
Because writing material was expensive early manuscripts used all available space.
The beginning of Mark would have looked like this:
ArchetoneuaggelionIesouChristouKathosgegra
ptaientoEsaiatopropheteidouapostellotonaggel
onmouproprosopousouoskataskeuaseitenodon
Etc.
No spaces between the words and words being split at the end of lines.
The reason why ARCHE is used is because there was a preface/introduction to the
text. ARCHE serves to identify where the starting point of the actual story was.
When one reads further into the text one realises that the author is assuming that the
reader has read the introduction. There is a sort of "as I said in the introduction" sense
to parts of the text.
There was an introduction. That I'm certain of.
The original text then commenced with verse 3:
A voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight
his path.
Which is a quote from Malachi.
As we have it today it says:
As it has been written in the prophet Isaiah: Behold, I sent my messenger before your
face, who will prepare the way of you.
Which IS a quote from Isaiah.
Someone inserted this. Someone else, who realised that some readers would think that
both quotes are in Isaiah changed 'Isaiah' to 'the prophets'. Both version of verse 2 are
current today. But scholars generally agree that the 'Isaiah' version is older than the
'prophets' version.
The purpose behind the insertion of the quote from Isaiah was to "change the
storyline". The Isaiah quote images a "higher authority" than the voice crying in the
wilderness. (Think about this)
As for the first verse, which can be seen as the title when one leaves off ARCHE - It
originally read:
The Gospel of Jesus
As one reads further one gets a sense that what one is reading was some kind of
"play", a "public performance". One person was supposed to read the narrative and
actors spoke when the characters spoke. There even seems to be "stage directions" -
passages that are not part of the narrative and would not appear in the public
performance.
Verse 6, the description of John the Baptist's natty style of dress, doesn't "fit" - it wasn't
in the original. The audience wouldn't have to be told how he was dressed. Its wording
doesn't have the sense of a "stage direction".
Mark is fascinating ... its a pity there aren't more atheists who are "unafraid" of the text
to the point where they can see these things.
After all - its just another book.
The picture of John converting ALL the people of the Judaean countryside and ALL
the people of Jerusalem shouts at me that THE AUTHOR DID NOT INTEND THAT
THE AUDIENCE/READER SHOULD BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A
DESCRIPTION/ENACTMENT OF AN ACTUAL HISTORICAL EVENT
The text has definite "political" overtones. One can imagine the audience laughing as
the narrator spoke these lines.
The author is attacking the very core of contemporary Judaism
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
23 Jun 2005 10:12:53 PM |
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Mark is fascinating ... its a pity there aren't more atheists who are
"unafraid" of the text
to the point where they can see these things.
More than what
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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23 Jun 2005 10:27:23 PM |
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On 23 Jun 2005, me dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it
could be "discredited" then there would be a good chance to "break its
influence".
I am reminded of the scene in the NY Public Library in "The Day After
Tomorrow", where the atheist protects the bible from being burned, saying
that its being the first work ever mass printed represents the dawning of
the age of reason. Rightfully so, too, because for the first time, common
man had access to the bible and was able to read and understand it for
himself, instead of listening to some blowhard's opinion of the scripture.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Jun 2005 05:43:55 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:03:28 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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24 Jun 2005 10:27:23 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:03:28 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <4MRue.7483$al.842@trnddc07>):
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could
be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
Now hold on there, Huckleberry Finn is a damned good read, even though it is
dated.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Pain is not evil, pain is the idiot light on the dash board of the human
body.³ - Karl E. Taylor
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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24 Jun 2005 02:13:17 PM |
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Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:03:28 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <4MRue.7483$al.842@trnddc07>):
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could
be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
Now hold on there, Huckleberry Finn is a damned good read, even though it is
dated.
Never said it wasn't. I wasn't basing it off how good a read it was;
just its credibility rating. There are many damned-fine fiction books
out there. The Bible is one of them. However, if one tries to pass off
fiction as nonfiction, I'll be first in line to point and laugh at them.
;-)
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:23:24 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:13:17 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <hXYue.345$Uc2.68@trnddc03>):
Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:03:28 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <4MRue.7483$al.842@trnddc07>):
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could
be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
Now hold on there, Huckleberry Finn is a damned good read, even though it
is
dated.
Never said it wasn't. I wasn't basing it off how good a read it was;
just its credibility rating. There are many damned-fine fiction books
out there. The Bible is one of them. However, if one tries to pass off
fiction as nonfiction, I'll be first in line to point and laugh at them.
;-)
I give Huckleberry Finn a lot more credibility than any of the other books
mentioned. That was my disagreement with your comment.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Damn. Someone's been pissing in my genepool again.³-Kermit
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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26 Jun 2005 08:29:56 PM |
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Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:13:17 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <hXYue.345$Uc2.68@trnddc03>):
Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:03:28 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <4MRue.7483$al.842@trnddc07>):
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 02:23:04 +0000, "me" <here@now.com> wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it could
be "discredited"
then there would be a good chance to "break its influence".
Most wouldn't give a ***** about it.
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
Now hold on there, Huckleberry Finn is a damned good read, even though it
is
dated.
Never said it wasn't. I wasn't basing it off how good a read it was;
just its credibility rating. There are many damned-fine fiction books
out there. The Bible is one of them. However, if one tries to pass off
fiction as nonfiction, I'll be first in line to point and laugh at them.
;-)
I give Huckleberry Finn a lot more credibility than any of the other books
mentioned. That was my disagreement with your comment.
Okay, fine. I concede that book. My apologies.
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| User: "Tak" |
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24 Jun 2005 01:44:09 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:03:28 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:
I give the Bible the same amount of credibility as I do the Qu'ran, the
Da Vinci Code, Huckleberry Finn, or Battlefield Earth.
That is: Zero.
Come on, NOTHING is as bad as Battlefield earth, exept possibly the
movie version...........
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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24 Jun 2005 08:23:11 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:44:09 GMT, Tak <null@null.com> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
Come on, NOTHING is as bad as Battlefield earth, exept possibly the
movie version...........
Oh, really?
http://www.pale.org/personal/eye.html
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Tak" |
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25 Jun 2005 12:00:05 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:23:11 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:44:09 GMT, Tak <null@null.com> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
Come on, NOTHING is as bad as Battlefield earth, exept possibly the
movie version...........
Oh, really?
http://www.pale.org/personal/eye.html
The Eye of Argon! I KNEW you were fannish. :)
The Eye of Argon is TOO bad. so bad its funny enough to be
entertaning.
Battlefield Earth is a root canal that goes on and on and on and
on............................
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Jun 2005 11:39:15 PM |
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me wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it
could be "discredited" then there would be a good chance to "break
its influence".
There has long been a suspicion that both the Old and the New
Testaments are
fraudulent - that someone "concocted" them.
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was -
namely, Ezra.
Which pretty much denies the work of all the real scholars who would laugh
at this.
It's not the atheist who spends his or her life doing honest research on the
book.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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24 Jun 2005 01:48:49 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:T7Mue.1601$N22.337@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
me wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it
could be "discredited" then there would be a good chance to "break
its influence".
There has long been a suspicion that both the Old and the New
Testaments are
fraudulent - that someone "concocted" them.
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was -
namely, Ezra.
Which pretty much denies the work of all the real scholars who would
laugh at this.
It's not the atheist who spends his or her life doing honest research on
the book.
Why reinvent the wheel? Does anyone spend their whole life doing research
that has already been done? No. Now each person does do a limited amount
of research and the conclusions are rather easy to conclude when it comes
to the bible. The conclusion? THe bible is mostly *****. Sure, some
of the advice given is good (Don't steal), but if one read more, one finds
***** (noah and the ark). The ***** to good advice ratio is very
poor. As a matter of fact it is dismal and as such it is nearly pure
*****. I can think of many other things to read for a quick lesson in
reasonable social behaviours that don't have all the ***** that goes
along with the bible. No thanks pal. The bible isn't inspired, it isn't
gods word, and it is certainly not something I want my children to read.
The violence, porn, and bigamy in it is portrayed in a positive light.
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and need
something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in hotel
rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
rj
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| User: "Emi M Briet" |
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24 Jun 2005 08:35:54 AM |
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In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and need
something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in hotel
rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible removed
from here by thinking adults." ;)
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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24 Jun 2005 08:39:59 AM |
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Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in
hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The Hobbit".
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is
those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively
assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
-- Charles Darwin, Introduction to The Descent of Man (1871)
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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24 Jun 2005 10:27:43 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in
hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
r
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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24 Jun 2005 12:35:07 PM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F6A6CCDD8Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are
in hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The
Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
Rand's sermons make more sense.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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24 Jun 2005 05:51:54 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1119634507.53618ecb7816c98a017160dcd9632998@teranews:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F6A6CCDD8Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are
in hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The
Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
Rand's sermons make more sense.
They make a lot of sense. It is amazing the number of people that don't
understand what she is saying. Sad.
rj
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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24 Jun 2005 07:27:52 PM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967FB5BC03F51mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1119634507.53618ecb7816c98a017160dcd9632998@teranews:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F6A6CCDD8Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that
are in hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The
Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
Rand's sermons make more sense.
They make a lot of sense. It is amazing the number of people that
don't understand what she is saying. Sad.
You have to admit she's not the most readable of novelists.
Terry Goodkind's massive series "The Sword of Truth" is a somewhat more
accessible packaging of Rand's ideas. It hit me around the third or
fourth volume, but now when I go back to the first volume "Wizard's
First Rule" Rand's influence is pretty obvious.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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24 Jun 2005 06:57:04 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:51:54 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1119634507.53618ecb7816c98a017160dcd9632998@teranews:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F6A6CCDD8Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1:
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are
in hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The
Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
Rand's sermons make more sense.
They make a lot of sense. It is amazing the number of people that don't
understand what she is saying. Sad.
Oh, I understand, it's just that I find it wanting. She also
isn't very good on technical literary grounds. Let's stick
with The Hobbit.
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| User: "Tak" |
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24 Jun 2005 01:43:04 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:27:43 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns967F43D3FA055255229@130.133.1.4:
Emi M Briet <emi@emiofbrie.cx> wrote in
news:emi-D930FA.08355424062005@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com:
In article <Xns967F126DF92E8mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>,
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and
need something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in
hotel rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
Nothing... just remove it and leave a slip of paper "This Bible
removed from here by thinking adults." ;)
If you had cash to burn, take the Bible and leave a copy of "The Hobbit".
Maybe "Atlas Shrugged" would be good.
Mabe buit its far too easy for it to become a bible of its own, I
learned the hard way.
Don't get me wrong. I still Like Ayn Rand, but I think its sad that
no one ever laughs............
Did;t someone once say, If I can''t dance I dont want to be part of
your revolution"
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 01:10:28 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:48:49 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:T7Mue.1601$N22.337@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
me wrote:
Some atheists are fascinated by the Bible. They realise that if it
could be "discredited" then there would be a good chance to "break
its influence".
There has long been a suspicion that both the Old and the New
Testaments are
fraudulent - that someone "concocted" them.
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was -
namely, Ezra.
Which pretty much denies the work of all the real scholars who would
laugh at this.
It's not the atheist who spends his or her life doing honest research on
the book.
Why reinvent the wheel? Does anyone spend their whole life doing research
that has already been done? No. Now each person does do a limited amount
of research and the conclusions are rather easy to conclude when it comes
to the bible. The conclusion? THe bible is mostly *****. Sure, some
of the advice given is good (Don't steal), but if one read more, one finds
***** (noah and the ark). The ***** to good advice ratio is very
poor. As a matter of fact it is dismal and as such it is nearly pure
*****. I can think of many other things to read for a quick lesson in
reasonable social behaviours that don't have all the ***** that goes
along with the bible. No thanks pal. The bible isn't inspired, it isn't
gods word, and it is certainly not something I want my children to read.
The violence, porn, and bigamy in it is portrayed in a positive light.
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and need
something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in hotel
rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
rj
The hatcheck girl puts out. The punch line of one of my favorite
jokes.
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| User: "Tak" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 01:57:13 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:48:49 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Speaking of bibles, I do some travelling for business reasons and need
something to write on the inside cover of the bibles that are in hotel
rooms. Does anyone have any ideas?
rj
Fork out for the warning stickers. Its worth it.
http://www.ffrf.org/shop/products/details.php?cat=edstickers&ID=ST2
here is a good one.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 12:22:55 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:39:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was -
namely, Ezra.
Which pretty much denies the work of all the real scholars who would laugh
at this.
It's not the atheist who spends his or her life doing honest research on the
book.
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 02:40:16 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:39:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
The Old testament more or less identifies who its author was -
namely, Ezra.
Which pretty much denies the work of all the real scholars who would laugh
at this.
It's not the atheist who spends his or her life doing honest research on the
book.
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke: You've yet to answer my question:
What is the name of your god?
I'm waiting with bated breath.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 03:14:54 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:40:16 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke: You've yet to answer my question:
What is the name of your god?
I'm waiting with bated breath.
Well, maybe you should wait with "baited" breath instead because I already told
you, little dummy.
God **IS** his name, Supreme Creater is what he is.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 04:29:26 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:40:16 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke: You've yet to answer my question:
What is the name of your god?
I'm waiting with bated breath.
Well, maybe you should wait with "baited" breath instead because I already told
you, little dummy.
The correct spelling is "bated." It's resultant of the loss of the
unstressed vowel in "abated" (known as "aphesis") to mean reduced or
lessened in force.
"Baited" is not correct.
God **IS** his name, Supreme Creater is what he is.
Shows you how much you know about your religion... "God" is *NOT* his
name. Care to try again?
I'll give you another hint: It is written in your Bible. Come on,
little dummy. I know you can do it.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 06:12:11 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:29:26 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke: You've yet to answer my question:
What is the name of your god?
I'm waiting with bated breath.
Well, maybe you should wait with "baited" breath instead because I already told
you, little dummy.
The correct spelling is "bated." It's resultant of the loss of the
unstressed vowel in "abated" (known as "aphesis") to mean reduced or
lessened in force.
"Baited" is not correct.
It is if you have been eating fish.
God **IS** his name, Supreme Creater is what he is.
Shows you how much you know about your religion... "God" is *NOT* his
name. Care to try again?
No need to. God is his name.
I'll give you another hint: It is written in your Bible. Come on,
little dummy. I know you can do it.
Well, his name by Christians is God almighty. His Jewish name is Jehovah. His
Muslim name is Allah. And of course Elohim in certain circles, and a rather
common one at that.
Of course, in the long run, Almighty God/supreme creater/Jehovah/Allah/Elohim
all roll together into one.
You got anything else? I understand your supreme being is satan. Is that
correct?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
24 Jun 2005 10:23:24 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:29:26 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Right, it's the dumbass atheist that tries to find holes in it, and fails.
duke: You've yet to answer my question:
What is the name of your god?
I'm waiting with bated breath.
Well, maybe you should wait with "baited" breath instead because I already told
you, little dummy.
The correct spelling is "bated." It's resultant of the loss of the
unstressed vowel in "abated" (known as "aphesis") to mean reduced or
lessened in force.
"Baited" is not correct.
It is if you have been eating fish.
Thanks for the concession. :-)
God **IS** his name, Supreme Creater is what he is.
Shows you how much you know about your religion... "God" is *NOT* his
name. Care to try again?
No need to. God is his name.
*gets out a big rubber-stamp and stamps "FAIL" on duke's forehead*
I'm sorry, but you lost. Your god's name is "Jealous." Be sure to read
your Exodus again; in particular, Exodus 34:14
"Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a
jealous God." (Ex 34:14)
I'll give you another hint: It is written in your Bible. Come on,
little dummy. I know you can do it.
Well, his name by Christians is God almighty. His Jewish name is Jehovah. His
Muslim name is Allah. And of course Elohim in certain circles, and a rather
common one at that.
Then Christians, Jews, Muslims and those that respond "Elohim" are all
wrong. His name is "Jealous." Thanks for playing.
Of course, in the long run, Almighty God/supreme creater/Jehovah/Allah/Elohim
all roll together into one.
And incorrect, according to Exodus.
You got anything else? I understand your supreme being is satan. Is that
correct?
No. Satan does not exist.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Picking at the Bible |
25 Jun 2005 08:55:51 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:23:24 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No need to. God is his name.
*gets out a big rubber-stamp and stamps "FAIL" on duke's forehead*
I'm sorry, but you lost. Your god's name is "Jealous." Be sure to read
your Exodus again; in particular, Exodus 34:14
"Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a
jealous God." (Ex 34:14)
Wow. Very bright, snowden.
I'll give you another hint: It is written in your Bible. Come on,
little dummy. I know you can do it.
Well, his name by Christians is God almighty. His Jewish name is Jehovah. His
Muslim name is Allah. And of course Elohim in certain circles, and a rather
common one at that.
Then Christians, Jews, Muslims and those that respond "Elohim" are all
wrong. His name is "Jealous." Thanks for playing.
Then why does everybody call him something else, but never jealous?
Of course, in the long run, Almighty God/supreme creater/Jehovah/Allah/Elohim
all roll together into one.
And incorrect, according to Exodus.
You got anything else? I understand your supreme being is satan. Is that
correct?
No. Satan does not exist.
He's calling you now, dsnowden.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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