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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Jun 2004 09:09:08 PM |
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Ping Elroy: You made HBO |
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing
helium filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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25 Jun 2004 07:13:50 AM |
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JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote
Yeah, that's a good one. Gotta have somebody die in the story
so they can use it on the show. I think the one about the cross
falling off the church wall and killing the pastor might make for
another good one, and the one about the guy who slips on a bar
of soap in his bath tub while trying to walk on water. :)
Branch out.
Yes, I need to write some with no religion involved.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Ping Elroy: You made HBO |
23 Jun 2004 01:43:59 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:16:56 +0000 in episode
<90ijd059bbpscpkv4272a74u4lvjf7v6v6@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
But they've already used one of my story ideas, so couldn't I bypass
the grunt stage? If you think I actually have a legal case, wouldn't
that be worth something in the negotiations?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I keep telling you to try to get a financial settlement without lawyers.
That's what I tried with David Brenner and all I got was a free book.
If you even suggest you want to go legal they will bury you in paper,
legal bills and many months of getting nowhere. Whatever payment you
would get goes to your lawyer - and then some.
If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some links
to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they think I
could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too much,
though.
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****. Hollywood is a snake
pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking to be screwed over good
and hard...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Ping Elroy: You made HBO |
23 Jun 2004 01:52:36 PM |
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If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some links
to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they think I
could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too much,
though.
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****. Hollywood is a snake
pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking to be screwed over good
and hard...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I'm not suggesting that Elroy "deal with them". Just to attempt to ask for
what will make him happy without introducing lawyers and threats of suing
right off the bat. Sometimes a direct approach without so many histrionics
gets the job done to everyone's satisfaction. Lawyers will make a case into
a career.
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Ping Elroy: You made HBO |
23 Jun 2004 02:57:42 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:52:36 +0000 in episode
<BCFF49B3.369A%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some
links to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they
think I could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up
too much, though.
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****. Hollywood is a snake
pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking to be screwed over
good and hard...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I'm not suggesting that Elroy "deal with them". Just to attempt to ask for
what will make him happy without introducing lawyers and threats of suing
right off the bat. Sometimes a direct approach without so many histrionics
gets the job done to everyone's satisfaction. Lawyers will make a case
into a career.
Simply put, you haven't a clue.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Jun 2004 02:44:33 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some links
to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they think I
could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too much,
though.
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****. Hollywood is a snake
pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking to be screwed over good
and hard...
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I'm not suggesting that Elroy "deal with them". Just to attempt to ask for
what will make him happy without introducing lawyers and threats of suing
right off the bat.
Sometimes a direct approach without so many histrionics gets the job
done to everyone's satisfaction. Lawyers will make a case into a career.
Histrionics? Now there's a word you don't see every day... I had to
look it up to see what it means. :)
When I was dealing with David Brenner, he offered me $300 or so for
full rights to the story, but I turned it down at the time. It would
have meant that he could use the story whenever he wanted
and sell it to anyone he wanted, and I wouldn't have made any more
off it from that point on. He told me that he was talking to his
lawyers about the whole thing, and I guess that's what
they told him to do. At the time, I was still making good money doing
computer programming, so $300 wasn't really enough for me to care
about at the time. I made more than that in one day, so holding on
to the rights to the story seemed more important to me at the time.
Even though I could use some income right now, I doubt $300 would
buy me off at this time. It's gotta be way more than that, or it's
just not worth the trouble fighting over.
At least I have a tape of HBO using the story idea, and so I have a
much better case against them, but even still, I'm not gonna get
my hopes up too high, lest they be shot down and result in some
kind of disappointment on my part.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "georgann" |
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23 Jun 2004 06:54:28 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Even though I could use some income right now, I doubt $300 would
buy me off at this time. It's gotta be way more than that, or it's
just not worth the trouble fighting over.
At least I have a tape of HBO using the story idea, and so I have a
much better case against them, but even still, I'm not gonna get
my hopes up too high, lest they be shot down and result in some
kind of disappointment on my part.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You could use the fact that an HBO show "stole your work" as a way to
promote your portfolio.
Since it is a fact you can say it all you want. Let them start making offers
to you.
:p
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(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Spooked " |
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23 Jun 2004 04:22:25 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
At least I have a tape of HBO using the story idea, and so I have a
much better case against them, but even still, I'm not gonna get
my hopes up too high, lest they be shot down and result in some
kind of disappointment on my part.
You'll lose dude. The ever magical disclaimer at the end of the
credits should debunk your claim. I'd say that even if the show
presented a word for word projection of your story, you'd still lose.
Face the reality, don't let it get you down and carry on man!
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Davidwd a.a
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:15:07 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:44:33 +0000 in episode
<79pjd05oecuume0hk113sn8taqp8glntk5@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
When I was dealing with David Brenner, he offered me $300 or so for full
rights to the story
You're kidding. Talk about a spitting in your face.
He told me that he was talking to his lawyers about the whole thing, and
I guess that's what they told him to do.
Probably. I'd hazard they figured you were some hick from the sticks
that'd be oh-so-enthralled somebody with a "name" bothered to use
your stuff.
No writer should sell full rights. Ever.
Or at least not outside some very limited spheres. I did several
work-for-hires in the computer book publishing world, selling all rights.
But you know the speed at which things obsolete in computers. So it was
no big deal. In a year or two, the book was going to be worthless anyway.
Still, anything I thought significant, I always insisted on rights
reverting to me when the book was taken out of print. They had exclusive
worldwide but I wanted them back if for some reason they yanked the book
while it was still viable (never happened but you never know).
Hollywood and the music industry, by the way, are notorious for trying to
pull that on people. Get them to do "work for hire," sell all their
rights, then sell the material from the next century...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:01:44 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> write:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
But they've already used one of my story ideas, so couldn't I bypass
the grunt stage? If you think I actually have a legal case, wouldn't
that be worth something in the negotiations?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I keep telling you to try to get a financial settlement without lawyers.
That's what I tried with David Brenner and all I got was a free book.
If you even suggest you want to go legal they will bury you in paper,
legal bills and many months of getting nowhere. Whatever payment you
would get goes to your lawyer - and then some.
If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some links
to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they think I
could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up too much,
though.
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****.
I don't think she likes lawyers very much. Maybe she's had some
bad experiences with them?
Hollywood is a snake pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking
to be screwed over good and hard...
I've been dealing with a similar problem with the Discovery Channel.
I want to submit a short video clip of a squirrel protecting another
road-killed squirrel from a pack of crows, for display on the "Amazing
Animal Videos" show, but nobody will give me an actual address to send
the tape to. They say I have to be part of some DCI network, and have
to have an inside contact who will agree to accept the tape. It's
weird stuff. I figured I could just send it in like people do to
"America's Funniest Home Videos" where they post the address to
send tapes to at the end of the show.
Maybe I'm missing the address at the end of "Amazing Animal
Videos?" Does anyone around here watch Animal Planet and can
see an address to send in one's own amazing animal videos?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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24 Jun 2004 11:40:20 AM |
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In article <ntqjd0lr1nh43k29jvm3rma1olsrukbcic@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis
says...snip
I've been dealing with a similar problem with the Discovery Channel.
I want to submit a short video clip of a squirrel protecting another
road-killed squirrel from a pack of crows, for display on the "Amazing
Animal Videos" show, but nobody will give me an actual address to send
the tape to. They say I have to be part of some DCI network, and have
to have an inside contact who will agree to accept the tape. It's
weird stuff. I figured I could just send it in like people do to
"America's Funniest Home Videos" where they post the address to
send tapes to at the end of the show.
Maybe I'm missing the address at the end of "Amazing Animal
Videos?" Does anyone around here watch Animal Planet and can
see an address to send in one's own amazing animal videos?
I don't think they'd accept your tape. If this is the show I'm thinking of,
it's pretty upbeat. Like "America's Funniest Home Videos". Your tape, while
fascinating, is also sad.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Jun 2004 12:41:49 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says
I've been dealing with a similar problem with the Discovery Channel.
I want to submit a short video clip of a squirrel protecting another
road-killed squirrel from a pack of crows, for display on the "Amazing
Animal Videos" show, but nobody will give me an actual address to send
the tape to. They say I have to be part of some DCI network, and have
to have an inside contact who will agree to accept the tape. It's
weird stuff. I figured I could just send it in like people do to
"America's Funniest Home Videos" where they post the address to
send tapes to at the end of the show.
Maybe I'm missing the address at the end of "Amazing Animal
Videos?" Does anyone around here watch Animal Planet and can
see an address to send in one's own amazing animal videos?
I don't think they'd accept your tape. If this is the show I'm thinking of,
it's pretty upbeat. Like "America's Funniest Home Videos". Your tape,
while fascinating, is also sad.
Maybe that's it? It doesn't have a happy ending? The squished
squirrel doesn't pop up off the road and come back to life, or is
rescued by the person that ran over it?
I had to delete the video from my main ISP to make room
for the mistaken rapture video, but I copied the full squirrel
video over to:
http://home.swbell.net/chrisptx/videos/squirrelandcrows.wmv
Can you view it?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Jun 2004 04:48:07 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:41:49 +0000 in episode
<3o6md013q4d1e481a0787ifenrrcnvq268@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says
I've been dealing with a similar problem with the Discovery Channel. I
want to submit a short video clip of a squirrel protecting another
road-killed squirrel from a pack of crows, for display on the "Amazing
Animal Videos" show, but nobody will give me an actual address to send
the tape to. They say I have to be part of some DCI network, and have
to have an inside contact who will agree to accept the tape. It's
weird stuff. I figured I could just send it in like people do to
"America's Funniest Home Videos" where they post the address to send
tapes to at the end of the show.
Maybe I'm missing the address at the end of "Amazing Animal Videos?"
Does anyone around here watch Animal Planet and can see an address to
send in one's own amazing animal videos?
I don't think they'd accept your tape. If this is the show I'm thinking
of, it's pretty upbeat. Like "America's Funniest Home Videos". Your
tape, while fascinating, is also sad.
Maybe that's it? It doesn't have a happy ending? The squished squirrel
doesn't pop up off the road and come back to life, or is rescued by the
person that ran over it?
I had to delete the video from my main ISP to make room for the mistaken
rapture video, but I copied the full squirrel video over to:
http://home.swbell.net/chrisptx/videos/squirrelandcrows.wmv
Can you view it?
I could.
Rather sad viewing though...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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25 Jun 2004 07:27:25 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says
I don't think they'd accept your tape. If this is the show I'm thinking
of, it's pretty upbeat. Like "America's Funniest Home Videos". Your
tape, while fascinating, is also sad.
Maybe that's it? It doesn't have a happy ending? The squished squirrel
doesn't pop up off the road and come back to life, or is rescued by the
person that ran over it?
I had to delete the video from my main ISP to make room for the mistaken
rapture video, but I copied the full squirrel video over to:
http://home.swbell.net/chrisptx/videos/squirrelandcrows.wmv
Can you view it?
I could.
Rather sad viewing though...
Not something most people would wanna watch on TV, eh?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Jun 2004 08:43:32 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:27:25 +0000 in episode
<rv9od0t95i9baqknp1j52kte5mi8srgq9q@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says
I don't think they'd accept your tape. If this is the show I'm
thinking of, it's pretty upbeat. Like "America's Funniest Home
Videos". Your tape, while fascinating, is also sad.
Maybe that's it? It doesn't have a happy ending? The squished
squirrel doesn't pop up off the road and come back to life, or is
rescued by the person that ran over it?
I had to delete the video from my main ISP to make room for the
mistaken rapture video, but I copied the full squirrel video over to:
http://home.swbell.net/chrisptx/videos/squirrelandcrows.wmv
Can you view it?
I could.
Rather sad viewing though...
Not something most people would wanna watch on TV, eh?
I doubt it. It was just *sad.
Animals do not appear to be able to conceptualize death. That curse is
left for us. Watching the squirrel defending a dead body was just... sad.
My whole reaction was "the poor thing."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:20:35 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:01:44 +0000 in episode
<ntqjd0lr1nh43k29jvm3rma1olsrukbcic@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> write:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
But they've already used one of my story ideas, so couldn't I bypass
the grunt stage? If you think I actually have a legal case, wouldn't
that be worth something in the negotiations?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I keep telling you to try to get a financial settlement without
lawyers.
That's what I tried with David Brenner and all I got was a free book.
If you even suggest you want to go legal they will bury you in paper,
legal bills and many months of getting nowhere. Whatever payment you
would get goes to your lawyer - and then some.
If you go to them directly (HBO execs) with a request for payment, and
you insist that it be negotiated WITHOUT LAWYERS, they may like that
idea.
I've already contacted a couple different lawyers and gave them some
links to read, and they're gonna check it out and let me know if they
think I could win a case against HBO. I'm not gonna get my hopes up
too much, though.
Of course you shouldn't get *too many hopes up. Hollyweird is a slimy
place with lots and lots of lawyers.
On the other hand, georgann is talking out her *****.
I don't think she likes lawyers very much. Maybe she's had some bad
experiences with them?
Whatever her reason, she's without a clue. The moment this shows on the
radar screen, it'll be in HBO legal. Their lawyers will be on it from the
first minute.
Hollywood is a snake pit. Dealing with that place sans lawyer is asking
to be screwed over good and hard...
I've been dealing with a similar problem with the Discovery Channel. I
want to submit a short video clip of a squirrel protecting another
road-killed squirrel from a pack of crows, for display on the "Amazing
Animal Videos" show, but nobody will give me an actual address to send the
tape to. They say I have to be part of some DCI network, and have to have
an inside contact who will agree to accept the tape. It's weird stuff.
For that industry, it's normal stuff. Contacts are everything.
I
figured I could just send it in like people do to "America's Funniest Home
Videos" where they post the address to send tapes to at the end of the
show.
Maybe I'm missing the address at the end of "Amazing Animal Videos?"
Does anyone around here watch Animal Planet and can see an address to send
in one's own amazing animal videos?
I don't know myself. But it could be a closed shop where people are
submitting (via agent and contacts) for pay.
The home video game was rather unique in asking for outside submissions.
And, well, pretty slimy in my opinion. You waved *all rights for *no
compensation (except the small chance you might be one of the tiny few
that won their contest thing). They got an endless supply of material they
could do anything they want for as long as they want in any medium they
want and you got...
Um...
You got to watch the TV show and buy the products the sponsors were
pushing! Yeah, that's a payoff eh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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23 Jun 2004 04:01:44 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote
Whatever her reason, she's without a clue. The moment this
shows on the radar screen, it'll be in HBO legal. Their
lawyers will be on it from the first minute.
Careers aren't made by lawyers, they're broken by lawyers.
Don't get angry by this, welcome it! Celebrate it!
Don't be foolish. Appeal to the better part of them.
Lawyers & threats only make sense if all your other work sucks
out loud.
Myself, I tend to believe if they already like one thing you wrote,
there's an excellent chance that they'll like some other stuff.
But don't force. "Using something else, but give me credit this
time" is a crappy answer.
Find out what they're looking for, then give it to them.
Anything less is betting against yourself.
Of course, if they tell you to ***** then you'd have to start thinking
about other approaches. But why would they? Apparently they like
your stuff!
Believe in yourself.
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23 Jun 2004 06:58:42 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Whatever her reason, she's without a clue. The moment this shows on the
radar screen, it'll be in HBO legal. Their lawyers will be on it from the
first minute.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Actually you're the one that doesn't know beans about this matter. The fact
that they used material not original to their writers and thus protection
for HBO makes them a major target. If Elroy keeps his cool and persists
they must pay him handsomely because he can prove 1. that it was published
by him and 2. they used it without his permission. They will try to buy him
off cheap like Brenner did but he should not go for it.
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:56:07 +0000 in episode
<o6rhd09ctottg118ben57oq55h4pct042h@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking Names says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
Indeed! However, I think he should also consider suing HBO! ;)
Nah...just ask for royalties. Who knows...that twisted mind of his
might get him a gig writing for quirky drama shows!
Exactly! :)
I'm in a bit of a quandary, to tell the truth. I want to make some
money off the story, but I don't want to ***** anyone off and burn any
possible bridges before they're even built... :)
I really think the show could use some of my previous stories and ones
I can come up with as the starting basis for future episodes, and the
rest of the episode can be handled by the other eight writers. I was
actually surprised to find out that a single show had so many writers.
I thought maybe two or three, but eight? So, I figure what's one more?
I don't talk about it much because it sounds like bragging to a lot of
people
I'd actually like to hear more about your experiences if you feel like
spending the time writing about them here. I wouldn't consider it
bragging in the least.
but I worked in TV for a couple of seasons. As an assistant to a writing
staff. Got to the point where I was about one degree away from ST:TNG
and had scripts. Looking back on it now, it's kind of funny because you
talk about my life would have been *very different if I hadn't walked
away.
(There is a writer out there now who is making, last I know, a quarter a
million a year who I got started in television. The irony is not lost on
me as I'm in bankruptcy now.)
I'm not doing too well myself in finding programming work right now.
It is, simply put, a *miserable place. I would not recommend it. Not
unless money means that much to you.
Right now it does mean a lot to me. I'd like to make an actual income off
of creative writing, and the thought of programming a computer for the
next 20 years doesn't really appeal to me, since I've grown bored of it
lately. Luckily, or actually intelligently, I stashed away some money
when I was doing well in the computer programming field, and I'm living
off that now, but it's running out slowly...
But television isn't about writing. It's about schmoozing and politics and
connections. Writing happens once in a while by accident when nobody's
looking (and it's often stomped out soon as noticed).
There's gotta be some other way to go. Hell, even WWN. No, really, they
pay *good (believe it or not).
You *can make unholy amounts of cash. Almost every single writer on the
staff had started only about three years before. They were all well into
six figures and there were BMWs and Mercedes far as the eye could see.
Not to mention everybody had the house in Santa Fe or where ever they
liked to escape to.
*But, you'd have to move to LA, start as a "grunt" (if you could get the
job,
But they've already used one of my story ideas, so couldn't I bypass the
grunt stage?
Unless you've been holding out on us and maybe are sleeping with a
producer... no.
Remember that thing about the writer's sitting around the table at the
show? Soon as you appear on the radar screen, you'll be threat. Not just
to them but any and all friends they have they're hoping to get an
assignment for.
Without the contacts, you'll be a "problem" that they have to make go away.
If you think I actually have a legal case, wouldn't that be
worth something in the negotiations?
To the extent that they'll want to throw money at you so you'll go away.
<snip>
I'm not sure you're mean enough to work in that industry. You've even
hesitated to swing a lawyer at them over this. Hell, *I would have had a
lawyer on them Monday morning...
What would your plan of legal attack be, if you were me?
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a few
thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
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| User: "georgann" |
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23 Jun 2004 07:38:04 AM |
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Right now it does mean a lot to me. I'd like to make an actual income off
of creative writing, and the thought of programming a computer for the
next 20 years doesn't really appeal to me, since I've grown bored of it
lately. Luckily, or actually intelligently, I stashed away some money
when I was doing well in the computer programming field, and I'm living
off that now, but it's running out slowly...
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
But television isn't about writing. It's about schmoozing and politics and
connections. Writing happens once in a while by accident when nobody's
looking (and it's often stomped out soon as noticed).
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That's why writers on TV would rather steal or borrow ideas...
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Jun 2004 01:32:15 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
<big snip>
Hell, *I would have had a lawyer on them Monday morning...
That's because you saw the show for yourself on Sunday night!
What would your plan of legal attack be, if you were me?
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a few
thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
I watched and recorded the show tonight and created the following clip
to support my case:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/mistakenrapture.wmv
Anybody who has read my original story and then watches the above
video clip would most likely see an obvious connection, wouldn't they?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Jun 2004 01:58:12 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:32:15 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elo@airmail.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
<big snip>
Hell, *I would have had a lawyer on them Monday morning...
That's because you saw the show for yourself on Sunday night!
What would your plan of legal attack be, if you were me?
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a few
thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
I watched and recorded the show tonight and created the following clip
to support my case:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/mistakenrapture.wmv
Anybody who has read my original story and then watches the above
video clip would most likely see an obvious connection, wouldn't they?
No doubt about it. Sue the bastards. Actually it looks so clear cut to
me they'll probably settle without much of a fight.
http://www.friedrich-tholstrup.com/ip-business/ !!
provided he'd do it for a percentage of the gross!
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Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:26:44 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a few
thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
I watched and recorded the show tonight and created the following clip
to support my case:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/mistakenrapture.wmv
Anybody who has read my original story and then watches the above
video clip would most likely see an obvious connection, wouldn't they?
No doubt about it. Sue the bastards. Actually it looks so clear cut to
me they'll probably settle without much of a fight.
That'd be nice. For how much is the question of the day...
http://www.friedrich-tholstrup.com/ip-business
provided he'd do it for a percentage of the gross!
Thanks for that link. I actually shopped around in the yellow
pages today, looking for a local copyright attorney, and picked
out a few to call, and it looks like Mr. Tholstrup might be just
what I'm looking for, so I think I'll try to get in touch with him
tomorrow.
In the mean time, what do you make of the following:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/thyrodandstaff.wmv
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Jun 2004 03:58:14 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:26:44 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elo@airmail.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a few
thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
I watched and recorded the show tonight and created the following clip
to support my case:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/mistakenrapture.wmv
Anybody who has read my original story and then watches the above
video clip would most likely see an obvious connection, wouldn't they?
No doubt about it. Sue the bastards. Actually it looks so clear cut to
me they'll probably settle without much of a fight.
That'd be nice. For how much is the question of the day...
http://www.friedrich-tholstrup.com/ip-business
provided he'd do it for a percentage of the gross!
Thanks for that link. I actually shopped around in the yellow
pages today, looking for a local copyright attorney, and picked
out a few to call, and it looks like Mr. Tholstrup might be just
what I'm looking for, so I think I'll try to get in touch with him
tomorrow.
In the mean time, what do you make of the following:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/thyrodandstaff.wmv
I could live with that kind of religion!
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Jun 2004 01:45:56 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:32:15 +0000 in episode
<9a8id09ipvmp3svkch369dpsrnjue8qtg4@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
we saw our hero Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
<big snip>
Hell, *I would have had a lawyer on them Monday morning...
That's because you saw the show for yourself on Sunday night!
What would your plan of legal attack be, if you were me?
Well, I'm no lawyer. But I'd be angling for a screen credit and may a
few thousand to go away. Definitely credit. Credit is everything in the
writing world...
I watched and recorded the show tonight and created the following clip to
support my case:
http://web2.iadfw.net/~elo/videos/mistakenrapture.wmv
Anybody who has read my original story and then watches the above video
clip would most likely see an obvious connection, wouldn't they?
Everybody on the ng who's seen the episode has, at least so far, had the
same reaction I did. They ran over here to say "Hey! Elroy! Look!" <g>
To me, it's just blindingly obvious it's your story...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Jun 2004 09:41:47 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:21:21 +0000 in episode
<5pABc.6472$H4.333@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <40d697ef$0$18194$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Clayton
Kicking Asses and Taking Names says...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.21.02.09.07.243615@hoo.com-amikchi...
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing
helium filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally
from a truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into
traffic, she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
Brilliant! I think the EAC should forge a new medal just for Elroy!
Indeed! However, I think he should also consider suing HBO! ;)
Might have a shot. Hollywood's seriously touchy about this kind of thing.
And I've seen some much weaker claims result in some beefy settlements.
I just *do *not believe they came up with their version independently.
It's too close and Elroy's story has been flying around so much, it had to
be debunked by Snopes! <g>
http://www.snopes.com/religion/rapture.htm
These folk are supposed to have someone in the office who takes care of
clearances. Looks to me like they may have just assumed since it's been
floating around the Internet, it's "public domain." Which just isn't true.
(Myself, I would have gone after the WWN, they paid someone--not the
author--serious cash for the story)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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21 Jun 2004 09:25:17 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.21.02.09.07.243615@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing
helium filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
Dang! I'll have to catch it as a rerun. That'll teach me to watch that lame
remake of "Salem's Lot" ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Jun 2004 09:44:28 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:25:17 +0000 in episode
<hdCBc.6490$H4.334@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.21.02.09.07.243615@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing helium
filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
Dang! I'll have to catch it as a rerun. That'll teach me to watch that
lame remake of "Salem's Lot" ;p
Oh I coulda warned you about *that one.
(Bleah!)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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21 Jun 2004 10:17:36 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.21.14.44.28.547086@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:25:17 +0000 in episode
<hdCBc.6490$H4.334@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.21.02.09.07.243615@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing helium
filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
Dang! I'll have to catch it as a rerun. That'll teach me to watch that
lame remake of "Salem's Lot" ;p
Oh I coulda warned you about *that one.
(Bleah!)
I was only half paying attention as I was working on a painting project, but it
definitely didn't grab me and certainly wasn't scary. Oh well ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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21 Jun 2004 05:28:18 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing
helium filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
You're kidding, right? Don't make me re-subscribe to HBO and
find out you're joking. I just looked on their site and read the
description of episode 41, "In Case of Rapture," but nothing was
mentioned like the above.
From:
http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=612848
"George puts his stamp on the Fisher home, settling into domestic
routines that irk Arthur. David cautions Nate about projecting his
personal grief onto their clients; Keith applies for a glamorous new
job; Joe challenges the logic of Brenda's 12-step plan; Claire
reawakens her artistic muse after meeting a free spirit named Edie;
and Federico proves that charity doesn't always begin at home."
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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21 Jun 2004 06:37:20 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:28:18 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elo@airmail.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism
Tonight's (6/20) Six Feet Under episode starts with a woman seeing
helium filled sex dolls floating in the sky, set loose accidentally from a
truck, gets out of her car yelling "sweet Jesus!" Running into traffic,
she's hit by a car.
Sound familiar? <g>
You're kidding, right? Don't make me re-subscribe to HBO and
find out you're joking. I just looked on their site and read the
description of episode 41, "In Case of Rapture," but nothing was
mentioned like the above.
From:
http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=612848
"George puts his stamp on the Fisher home, settling into domestic
routines that irk Arthur. David cautions Nate about projecting his
personal grief onto their clients; Keith applies for a glamorous new
job; Joe challenges the logic of Brenda's 12-step plan; Claire
reawakens her artistic muse after meeting a free spirit named Edie;
and Federico proves that charity doesn't always begin at home."
Find yourself a lawyer!
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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