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"Mr. Peterborough" |
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20 Nov 2003 05:55:54 PM |
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Ping: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
Were you guys once former believers? If not, what made you so
outspoken about your atheism? If you were former
believers/churchgoers, what made you stop?
From the good people of webtv
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| User: "Ron Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
20 Nov 2003 10:47:14 PM |
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"Mr. Peterborough" <highlegalguy@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:a5676bf8.0311201555.384423f3@posting.google.com...
Were you guys
If I may butt in....
once former believers?
Most of us were, I think.
Our parents started our indoctrination when we were kids.
Not knowing any better and trusting our parents (also not
knowing any better) we believed.
If not, what made you so
outspoken about your atheism?
Why not?
If you were former
believers/churchgoers, what made you stop?
At age 13 my intellect had developed sufficiently
that I realized that my parents weren't always right
and that that bible crap didn't make any sense.
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
21 Nov 2003 09:00:50 AM |
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"Ron Baker" <rbaker4@msnn.com> wrote in message
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"Mr. Peterborough" <highlegalguy@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Were you guys
If I may butt in....
once former believers?
Most of us were, I think.
Our parents started our indoctrination when we were kids.
Not knowing any better and trusting our parents (also not
knowing any better) we believed.
You are really generalizing from your own situation.
Many people come from non-religious families. It is the "dirty little
secret" the religious like to downplay. I had never been in a church until I
wandered Europe and visited Sacre Coure (sp?) in Paris. I still have never
heard a sermon or Budda-forbid a Mass <shudder>. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like, and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church? It might
be a fun "pub crawl" to visit many churches and check. Has anyone done this?
No indoctrination helps in having a normal life. I guess it's like never
having been beaten, raped, or put in a closet as a child. Life is better
without the baggage.
-ArWeWinos
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| User: "Ron Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
21 Nov 2003 12:23:28 PM |
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Ron Baker" <rbaker4@msnn.com> wrote in message
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"Mr. Peterborough" <highlegalguy@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Were you guys
If I may butt in....
once former believers?
Most of us were, I think.
Our parents started our indoctrination when we were kids.
Not knowing any better and trusting our parents (also not
knowing any better) we believed.
You are really generalizing from your own situation.
Correct.
Many people come from non-religious families. It is the "dirty little
secret" the religious like to downplay. I had never been in a church until
I
wandered Europe and visited Sacre Coure (sp?) in Paris. I still have never
heard a sermon or Budda-forbid a Mass <shudder>. When I read this
newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like, and
how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church? It
might
be a fun "pub crawl" to visit many churches and check. Has anyone done
this?
They didn't do that in our churches but I'm pretty sure
they are just crackers and grape juice.
No indoctrination helps in having a normal life. I guess it's like never
having been beaten, raped, or put in a closet as a child. Life is better
without the baggage.
Interesting. I wonder how my life would have been different if
my parents had been free thinkers.
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| User: "Uv" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
22 Nov 2003 11:58:31 AM |
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
? It might
be a fun "pub crawl" to visit many churches and check. Has anyone done
this?
No indoctrination helps in having a normal life. I guess it's like never
having been beaten, raped, or put in a closet as a child. Life is better
without the baggage.
-ArWeWinos
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
22 Nov 2003 12:27:15 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
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| User: "Erica" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
22 Nov 2003 02:57:28 PM |
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In article <3fbfa9ee.780149@news.airmail.net>,
(robpar) wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
Would you believe I used to think about that too. "Oh great, I've got
the Son of God stuck to the roof of my mouth. Now what do I do?" But
then I'm warped.
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
We offer both MD and grape juice. I rather like MD. I find that
distracting.
Erica
--
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
25 Nov 2003 08:13:08 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:57:28 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com>,
Message ID:
<scribe53151nospam-BFFFC6.14572822112003@newshost1.news.tds.net> wrote
in alt.atheism;
In article <3fbfa9ee.780149@news.airmail.net>,
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
Would you believe I used to think about that too. "Oh great, I've got
the Son of God stuck to the roof of my mouth. Now what do I do?" But
then I'm warped.
....use a crowbar.....
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
We offer both MD and grape juice. I rather like MD. I find that
distracting.
Erica
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
23 Nov 2003 11:43:36 PM |
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robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com..
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
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| User: "Erica" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 AM |
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In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com..
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
I have accomplished this myself with Goose Island Honker Ale (hick!)
--
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| User: "robpar" |
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24 Nov 2003 10:15:51 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com..
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
rationalizing.
I have accomplished this myself with Goose Island Honker Ale (hick!)
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| User: "Steve Mading" |
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24 Nov 2003 03:04:48 PM |
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In talk.atheism robpar <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote:
: According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
: wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
: rationalizing.
Given how messy it is to translate Hebrew into other langauges,
due to the preponderance of synonyms that map to multiple
connotations in other langauges, this one might actually be
legitimate. I don't know - I'm just saying that it sounds
plausable that the word for "stuff made from squeezing grapes"
might be the same word regardless of if you mean "fresh stuff"
or "stuff you let rot", and this could lead to a massive
mistranslation of "any kind of grape juice" into "the specific
kind that has been allowed to ferment.". Other languages don't
*have* a single word that means "either kind, I don't care".
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| User: "Erica" |
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24 Nov 2003 11:02:12 PM |
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Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:<bptrpg$eq5$3@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
In talk.atheism robpar <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote:
: According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
: wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
: rationalizing.
Given how messy it is to translate Hebrew into other langauges,
due to the preponderance of synonyms that map to multiple
connotations in other langauges, this one might actually be
legitimate. I don't know - I'm just saying that it sounds
plausable that the word for "stuff made from squeezing grapes"
might be the same word regardless of if you mean "fresh stuff"
or "stuff you let rot", and this could lead to a massive
mistranslation of "any kind of grape juice" into "the specific
kind that has been allowed to ferment.". Other languages don't
*have* a single word that means "either kind, I don't care".
I looked up John 2:1 for the "water into wine" verses. The greek word
is oinos, which when I look it up in Greek dictionaries, seems to be
merely the word for wine. If there is indeed antoher word for
fermented wine, I haven't found it yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't
exist, of course. I'm not exactly versed in greek. Just in google.
However, apparently in another part of the NT where Paul's talking
about it not being good to put new wine into old wineskins, it's the
same word being used. And some interpret "new wine" as being unaged
wine, aka barely fermented grape juice.
Now back to John 2:1, the comment on the wine that was made was that
it was the best saved for last. (Don't look at me like that. For
purpose of the discussion on word meanings, just go with it, okay?)
Now I'm having trouble with the concept of there being different
grades of grape juice. Like there's gonna be mediocre grape juice and
then "the good stuff."
So I think that the scripture is indeed being toyed with by those who
prefer temperance and want the bible to support such.
I sorta understand where they're coming from. Abstainence is a good
thing for some people. Their faith is helping them with their sobriety
in many cases. However, there are plenty of verses that talk about
temperance in the bible, without needing to monkey around with the
translation. I think the message is moderation, not necessarily
abstainance.
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| User: "robpar" |
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25 Nov 2003 10:53:19 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2003 21:02:12 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:<bptrpg$eq5$3@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
In talk.atheism robpar <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote:
: According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
: wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
: rationalizing.
Given how messy it is to translate Hebrew into other langauges,
due to the preponderance of synonyms that map to multiple
connotations in other langauges, this one might actually be
legitimate. I don't know - I'm just saying that it sounds
plausable that the word for "stuff made from squeezing grapes"
might be the same word regardless of if you mean "fresh stuff"
or "stuff you let rot", and this could lead to a massive
mistranslation of "any kind of grape juice" into "the specific
kind that has been allowed to ferment.". Other languages don't
*have* a single word that means "either kind, I don't care".
I looked up John 2:1 for the "water into wine" verses. The greek word
is oinos, which when I look it up in Greek dictionaries, seems to be
merely the word for wine. If there is indeed antoher word for
fermented wine, I haven't found it yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't
exist, of course. I'm not exactly versed in greek. Just in google.
However, apparently in another part of the NT where Paul's talking
about it not being good to put new wine into old wineskins, it's the
same word being used. And some interpret "new wine" as being unaged
wine, aka barely fermented grape juice.
Now back to John 2:1, the comment on the wine that was made was that
it was the best saved for last. (Don't look at me like that. For
purpose of the discussion on word meanings, just go with it, okay?)
Now I'm having trouble with the concept of there being different
grades of grape juice. Like there's gonna be mediocre grape juice and
then "the good stuff."
So I think that the scripture is indeed being toyed with by those who
prefer temperance and want the bible to support such.
I sorta understand where they're coming from.
Apparently not. I was pointing out an example of christian rationalizing.
Especially the temperance baptist. Who are refuting or explaining Jesus creating
and drinking wine. You see it not what is called wine today, but grape juice.
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Abstainence is a good
thing for some people. Their faith is helping them with their sobriety
in many cases. However, there are plenty of verses that talk about
temperance in the bible, without needing to monkey around with the
translation. I think the message is moderation, not necessarily
abstainance.
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| User: "Erica" |
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25 Nov 2003 09:37:23 PM |
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(robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc5874e.12567331@news.airmail.net>...
On 24 Nov 2003 21:02:12 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:<bptrpg$eq5$3@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
In talk.atheism robpar < > wrote:
: According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
: wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
: rationalizing.
Given how messy it is to translate Hebrew into other langauges,
due to the preponderance of synonyms that map to multiple
connotations in other langauges, this one might actually be
legitimate. I don't know - I'm just saying that it sounds
plausable that the word for "stuff made from squeezing grapes"
might be the same word regardless of if you mean "fresh stuff"
or "stuff you let rot", and this could lead to a massive
mistranslation of "any kind of grape juice" into "the specific
kind that has been allowed to ferment.". Other languages don't
*have* a single word that means "either kind, I don't care".
I looked up John 2:1 for the "water into wine" verses. The greek word
is oinos, which when I look it up in Greek dictionaries, seems to be
merely the word for wine. If there is indeed antoher word for
fermented wine, I haven't found it yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't
exist, of course. I'm not exactly versed in greek. Just in google.
However, apparently in another part of the NT where Paul's talking
about it not being good to put new wine into old wineskins, it's the
same word being used. And some interpret "new wine" as being unaged
wine, aka barely fermented grape juice.
Now back to John 2:1, the comment on the wine that was made was that
it was the best saved for last. (Don't look at me like that. For
purpose of the discussion on word meanings, just go with it, okay?)
Now I'm having trouble with the concept of there being different
grades of grape juice. Like there's gonna be mediocre grape juice and
then "the good stuff."
So I think that the scripture is indeed being toyed with by those who
prefer temperance and want the bible to support such.
I sorta understand where they're coming from.
Apparently not.
Apparently not what?
I was pointing out an example of christian rationalizing.
Especially the temperance baptist. Who are refuting or explaining Jesus creating
and drinking wine. You see it not what is called wine today, but grape juice.
And I was agreeing that this passage was being rationalized to support
the "grape juice" theory, though I understood some folks aversion to
the demon alcohol and how temperance is tied to their faith, causeing
the rationalization. Sad thing is, a faith built on rationalization,
on avoiding certain topics, books, movies lest they interfere with
their faith, probably will make for a faith that's going to be on
shakey ground later on.
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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26 Nov 2003 03:02:12 AM |
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"Erica" <> wrote in message
news:6dfe32b8.0311251937.562fdddd@posting.google.com...
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message
news:<3fc5874e.12567331@news.airmail.net>...
On 24 Nov 2003 21:02:12 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Hmmm... perhaps some of the fiction writers over the last 2000 years had
their own doubts and put some skepticism into the translation of the fantasy
stories...
Sort of a "Believe this (but if you don't...)" quality?
Or just God = sarcasm? Then I know the xians will end up where they deserve
and unbelievers will be honored.
Scene:
Pearly Gates, St. Whomever presiding.
St. W: "Do you believe in God Almighty, even though no evidence has ever
existed to show He existed, and the only people who really claimed to live
by him were child molesting, adulterers, and evil people?"
Dead Person: "Yes, I do."
St.W. pulls big handle, not obvious a minute ago. Remote sounds of screams,
pain. Smell of Brimstone and Fire.
D.P.: "Ahhhhhhhhhhh..... (falling)
Next Scene:
D.P #2: "Well, I never thought all that ***** was true! ***** me!"
St.W. pulls a second big handle, n.o.a.m.a. Remote sounds of Metallica
jamming with Jimi. Wings appear on D.P#2 and a beer appears in hand.
D.P#2 Drinks deeply from beer, and glass magically refills. "Kewl~! Where's
the party?!"
St.W.: Up at Heff's new palace. Turn left at Mick Jaggers Monument (not in
heaven, he can't die)
-ArWeGod
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27 Nov 2003 05:50:53 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
....
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Being an atheist is no guarantee against being a self-righteous evil
little sack of weasel dung. Seems you're just infinitely more likely
to be or become one if you are a fundie.
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| User: "robpar" |
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26 Nov 2003 08:27:12 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
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| User: "Erica" |
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28 Nov 2003 03:51:56 PM |
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(robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
Does that always translate out to respect for others? And everyone's
morality be different. How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to? Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
28 Nov 2003 11:32:23 PM |
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"Erica" <> wrote in message
news:6dfe32b8.0311281351.68fca42c@posting.google.com...
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message
news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly
interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit
to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs
make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them
moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not
fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
Does that always translate out to respect for others? And everyone's
morality be different. How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to? Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
I mostly think it's pretty good. it's just the majority of the people who
practice it, that are the problem. I've seen the Mahatma Gandhi quote
sported about from time to time about wishing the christians were more like
their christ (except for the bit about the sword, that's no good)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
29 Nov 2003 09:00:50 PM |
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(accidentally sent this too soon earlier)
On 28 Nov 2003 13:51:56 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
Does that always translate out to respect for others? And everyone's
morality be different. How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
Quite often, it's not any worse or better. Basically, I'd define
morality as "what helps the species survive" (and I'd say that
evolutionis the real base of all our morals.) That would explain why
most societies say that murder is immoral, for example. But it'd also
allow for some other things that we might not consider moral (such as
euthenasia might be considered OK for some societies if resources are
scarce but not moral for others, etc.)
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to? Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
"Might makes right" is where we, as a country, try to get our moral
superiority from. Not that I agree with that but it's true quite
often.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
Not according to the various translations. See
http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=lev+19%3A14&NIV_version=yes&NASB_version=yes&MSG_version=yes&_version=yes&NLT_version=yes&KJV_version=yes&ESV_version=yes&CEV_version=yes&NKJV_version=yes&KJ21_version=yes&ASV_version=yes&WE_version=yes&YLT_version=yes&DARBY_version=yes&WYC_version=yes&NIV-UK_version=yes&showfn=no&language=english&x=0&y=0
as an example of where most of them translate it as 'fear.'
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
No, it's just (usually) hostility towards those who come in here
preaching and generally asting like asses. If the muslims did that as
much as the xians, we'd be hostile to them just as much.
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Mike atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way
when you do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their
shoes.
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| User: "Diederik" |
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01 Dec 2003 08:33:19 PM |
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(Erica) wrote in message news:<6dfe32b8.0311281351.68fca42c@posting.google.com>...
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
Does that always translate out to respect for others? And everyone's
morality be different. How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
Everyone's morality is different from someone else's, even within the
Christian communities and between members of the same church. Some
consider it immoral to drink alcohol, others do not. Some consider it
immoral to have premarital sex, or sex with a member of the same sex,
others do not. I think acts performed by consenting adults are their
business alone and not immoral, so long as they don't harm or violate
the rights of others. This is just a rule of thumb.
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to? Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
Possibly.
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
No, hostility does not always come with atheism. The hostility, at
least in my case, is reserved for proselytizers, fundies, and people
who want to mix church and state. Some of the teachings of
Christianity are okay, but there are plenty that strike me as wierd or
just plain wrong.
Diederik
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| User: "ýøwíë" |
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29 Nov 2003 10:59:16 PM |
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Erica said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct,
Sodom and Gomorrha - the original 'shock and awe' campaign.
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion,
It depends on whether you are willing to separate ethics and metaphysics.
Most religions tend to tie the ethical imperative to metaphysical threats
and rewards, but though the ethical systems they promote are similar, the
metaphysical systems are not.
Why not throw out the mumbo-jumbo and keep what works - moderated by
common sense and consensus?
but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
Some people might not want to be 'washed in the blood of christ', or to
be regarded as 'children' or 'sheep' - it all sounds archaic and silly.
I really doubt there's a place in the future for a religion based on
human sacrifice (even symbolic). That was a Giant Leap Backward, even
2000 years ago. Also, Xianity throughout most of it's history was
arrogant, aggressive and intent on oppression of competing ideas. In
it's fundamentalist form at least, it still is.
None of this has much to do with atheism, though.
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Rev. yowie - ULC 1999 - JRA #1
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| User: "robpar" |
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28 Nov 2003 09:29:56 PM |
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On 28 Nov 2003 13:51:56 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
I am not sure that is a claim, rather a opinion. I know that for me my self
respect is enough for me to always do what I consider to be the right thing.
Does that always translate out to respect for others?
Not all other are worthy of respect, nor do they get it from me.
Proselytizing theist are seldom worthy of respect, because they so often try to
force their beliefs on others.
And everyone's morality be different.
This is true however many traits are common, what many claim to be moral, is
actually immoral. Like using force for the victims own good, very common for
christians.
How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
Society as a whole has no morals, morality is a individual trait.
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to? Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
American propaganda is mostly lies. Lead by liars.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
Thankfully ALL christians don`t share many beliefs. other than there is a god
and Jesus died for their sins before they were born. And I believe that " fear"
is the most accurate for most.
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
Yes, they are closet atheist many attend church regularly some are even
ministers. IMO the best of ministers are closet atheist, trying to get the
church to be what it should be.
The only thing All atheist share is a disbelief in any god/s.
I believe you are mistaking hostility toward the small brained, big mouthed
fundamentalist for hostility toward christianity. These so called christians
are not christianity. In fact most christians are good decent people being
scammed by the evil leaders of many churches. There are good christian churches,
but they are overshadowed by the self righteous bigots.
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Nov 2003 05:03:38 PM |
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On 28 Nov 2003 13:51:56 -0800, (Erica), Message
ID: <6dfe32b8.0311281351.68fca42c@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
robpar@deleteairmail.net (robpar) wrote in message news:<3fc55fef.1962859@news.airmail.net>...
On 25 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
You see Jesus always supports a christians beliefs, and correctly interpreted
the bible proves it, IOW the self righteous bigots will never admit to any
possibility of being wrong.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm mode. I think Jesus' job was not to support a
Christian's belief system, but to rock a Christian's world once in
world. Shake things up a bit as it were. But for that to happen the
finger must be pointed at oneself, not at others.
Maybe that's why some Christians get into judging others, so that they
can avoid judging themselves. Leading to the aforementioned admission
"to any possibility of being wrong.
slight tangent alert:
Been musing on this a bit. Not to offend, but I sometimes toy with the
idea that the part of some atheists that causes them to point out
hypocracy and various evils might be the part of them that is also
closest to the big guy in the sky whose existence they deny. Just
something I bat around in my mind once in a while.
Try thinking of a rebuttal to the christian claim that their beliefs make
them morally superior. Atheist do not claim that disbeliefs makes them moral,
what morality an atheist has is the result of his/her self respect, not fear of
an evil god.
I'll leave that to you, dear.
Woe to a Christian who thinks he is morally superior to someone else.
What happened to humility, or "he who is without sin cast the first
stone," and all that. The point is to work on one's character and
morality, not to declare oneself moral and stand around going "nyah,
nyah, I'm going to heaven."
Humility? Where is the humility with the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals, and
other lackeys? Where is the morality and character? Where is the
honesty, compassion, empathy and humanity? Sadly, such is absent.
Arrogance, dishonesty, deceit, Pride, duplicity, theft,
narrow-mindedness, corruption, graft, threats,and limiting the
hemorrhaging of the all-holy bank account and the dissapation of power
and control over the populace is the Prime Directive.
No one's perfect. Anyone who claims to have it all together enough to
go around condemning everyone else needs to do some heavy duty
re-examination, ie remove that damn log, fella.
The superstition industry ( Christian and Islam to name two ) prides
itself at their International Space Station height of hypocracy and
arrogance.
ramblings and lotsa questions:
I'm not sure about your claim that morality comes from self-respect.
Does that always translate out to respect for others? And everyone's
morality be different. How does a society as a whole come up with what
it considers moral, and how is that any better or worse than what
another society comes up with.
If a person has no self-respect then they certainly aren't going to have
any for others.
IMO, society as a locality comes up with what it considers moral and
such is constantly ebbing flowing and changing. For instance, in San
Francisco they have a 7-1/2 mile race through down town. The route is
blocked off to traffic and opens behind the last runner/walker.
A couple hundred participate in the race in the nude. These are people
of all ages and body types. Those folks are cheered on by a couple
hundred thousand spectators.
If this was attempted to be staged in Talibama the National Guard would
be called out.
America seems to claim moral superiority much of the time. Do we have
the right to?
Not at all. Especially with this (mis)administration.
Is it because of our self-respect? It can't be because
we are a "Christian nation" as several folks here have pointed out
that we aren't really.
I would ask "what self-respect?" This (mis)administration has had
nothing but contempt for the U.S. Constitution they've sworn to defent
and uphold. They been using the document for toilet paper.
tangent 1:
Btw, I don't think all Christians claim a "fear" of God. That's such
an archaic term anyway. Isn't "awe" more correct, and closer to the
meaning originally intended?
No. Not with all the atrocities and inequities in the Bible. Not when
there's a "Hell" where most of the world's population gets tortured for
eternity.
tangent 2:
Was there ever an atheist who thought that Christianity sounded like
an okay religion, but just didn't think there was a god, therefore
didn't believe. Does hostility to Christianity always come with
atheism necessarily?
I can't answer the first question as I don't know.
As for the second, the hostility to Christianity is based on the actions
of Christians.
If Christians kept their superstition as the private matter "Jesus"
instructed there wouldn't be a problem. I will indicate not all
Christians are a problem. However, demagogs like Moore, Shrub,
Ashcroft, Lott, Delay and others are the problem, not the solution.
The silence of mainstream Christians in the media to these folks is
deafening. Where is the correction and heeling of these mad dogs?
Where is the removing of these clowns from public office?
These folks say the magic word "Jesus" and the majority of Christians
bleat contentedly because those folks are 'authority.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
26 Nov 2003 08:43:17 PM |
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robpar wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com.
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
rationalizing.
Ever notice a sort of whitish dust on common supermarket grapes?
That's yeast. Juice the grapes and let it sit at room temperature.
Wait. Soon, you shall have wine.
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
I have accomplished this myself with Goose Island Honker Ale (hick!)
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| User: "Pastor Njygaard" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
27 Nov 2003 05:58:46 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:43:17 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com.
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
rationalizing.
Ever notice a sort of whitish dust on common supermarket grapes?
That's yeast. Juice the grapes and let it sit at room temperature.
Wait. Soon, you shall have wine.
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
Now this is a Fun Fact which would tell us volumes about the Creator,
had he ever existed. I mean, if I was going to design a world, *I*
would put in something like that.
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| User: "Diederik" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
01 Dec 2003 08:44:31 PM |
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Pastor Njygaard <Nandonites@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<nkpbsvkuies3ebn87l0lma938rl6frr3li@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:43:17 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com.
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
rationalizing.
Ever notice a sort of whitish dust on common supermarket grapes?
That's yeast. Juice the grapes and let it sit at room temperature.
Wait. Soon, you shall have wine.
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
Now this is a Fun Fact which would tell us volumes about the Creator,
had he ever existed. I mean, if I was going to design a world, *I*
would put in something like that.
...
I was on a tour at a winery on Saturday, and the woman who was leading
it (cofounder of the winery) said somthing similar to that.
Diederik
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| User: "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
27 Nov 2003 07:11:45 PM |
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Pastor Njygaard wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:43:17 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:01:11 -0600, Erica <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <3FC19A88.6C2@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>,
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
robpar wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:58:31 -0500, "Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com>
wrote:
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CMpvb.34888$i95.11490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com
. When I read this newsgroup
I sometimes wonder what the flesh of a 2000 yr old god tastes like,
Think Stale Pita, or Matzo crackers. In the Burbs, it's this odd thin foam
plank sawed into a circle that sticks to the roof of your mouth before
completley melting, As a child I often wondered if it was a sin to scrape
god off the roof of my mouth with my index fingernail. Thou shalt NEVER
Bite
the god. It might BLEED! ( I kid you not, my parents told me this)
and how
good the wine is. Does the wine quality vary from church to church
Think "Mogan David" or in the city "MD 20/20"
In the bible belt of East Texas it`s store brand grape juice, the cheap
stuff.
Read how mormon juice salesman Welch developed a method for packaging
grape juice to prevent fermentation so that the product would be more
fit for ritual use by proper white church folk. No money to be made,
so he pushed it as a children's beverage (perhaps to complement
NaBisCo's flagship "Oreo" (tm) cream-filled sandwich wafer cookies).
Oh sure, the story actually goes "Jesus turned water into grape juice."
Some folk just need to get over the idea of alcohol touching their lips.
According to temperance baptist beliefs, grape juice is wine, the fermented
wine was called by a different name. It`s another example of christian
rationalizing.
Ever notice a sort of whitish dust on common supermarket grapes?
That's yeast. Juice the grapes and let it sit at room temperature.
Wait. Soon, you shall have wine.
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
Now this is a Fun Fact which would tell us volumes about the Creator,
had he ever existed. I mean, if I was going to design a world, *I*
would put in something like that.
...
Apparently, he liked to see young children get royally shnockered.
I know *I* would have.
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| User: "eha" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
01 Dec 2003 12:55:05 PM |
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"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message news:<3FC6A0D1.AE9@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>...
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
Now this is a Fun Fact which would tell us volumes about the Creator,
had he ever existed. I mean, if I was going to design a world, *I*
would put in something like that.
...
Apparently, he liked to see young children get royally shnockered.
I know *I* would have.
For what to tell them that you are a Rev or a Doctor and then persaude
them into you're home?
You ain't right Atheist or Christain. I find you sickning.
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| User: "Pastor Njygaard" |
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| Title: Re: Stoney, Yowie, Phylter |
01 Dec 2003 01:55:38 PM |
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On 1 Dec 2003 10:55:05 -0800, (eha) wrote:
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message news:<3FC6A0D1.AE9@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>...
It was impossible prior to Mr. Welch to have grape juice and NOT have
it alcoholic.
Now this is a Fun Fact which would tell us volumes about the Creator,
had he ever existed. I mean, if I was going to design a world, *I*
would put in something like that.
...
Apparently, he liked to see young children get royally shnockered.
I know *I* would have.
For what to tell them that you are a Rev or a Doctor and then persaude
them into you're home?
You ain't right Atheist or Christain. I find you sickning.
Grait. I find Christains sickning too. We go puke together know?
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