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"biniohas" |
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13 Oct 2004 10:17:42 AM |
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Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
The cities and counties will be selected based upon, but not limited
to, the following criteria:
1. Voter turnout in primary elections.
2. Voter turnout in general elections.
3. Moral nature of the electorate.
4. Cost of living/housing.
5. Economic and employment opportunity.
6. Christian educational choices (including home school networks).
Phase One
The first move will commence when ChristianExodus.org reaches 12,000
members. Our research committee is currently selecting the first
targeted city and county. We will encourage all 12,000 members toward
this city and county. That number of activist �migr�s,
when combined with the present Christian electorate, will enable us to
win the city council, the county council, elected law enforcement
positions, and elected judgeships. We will then be able to protect our
God-given and constitutionally protected rights within our local
community.
Initial goals:
1. 12,000 members by December 31, 2006.
2. Move thousands into South Carolina by October 31, 2008.
3. Work several local political campaigns in 2008 (election goals
set at that time).
4. Complete Phase One by end of 2008.
Additional Phases
Supplementary emigrations will begin with each new set of 12,000
members. In other words, the first 12,000 members will successfully
execute Phase One. A second group of 12,000 members will then move to
another city and county (Phase Two). Then the third set of 12,000
members will relocate to yet another city and county (Phase Three).
ChristianExodus.org will continue this process until the General
Assembly of the State is squarely in the hands of Christian
Constitutionalists. It is possible that previously selected cities and
counties may need to be reinforced with new members; therefore
subsequent phases may also target previously chosen cities.
Distinct phases enable members to commit to move when they feel most
comfortable. Some folks are ready to go today, and others will want to
see some success before committing. The pioneers of Phase One will
demonstrate the success of ChristianExodus.org's strategy, and provide
a model for others to follow. Won't you join us in Phase One today?
Intermediate goals:
1. Complete multiple phases by end of 2013.
2. Overwhelmingly affect the state elections of 2014.
3. Institute constitutional reforms returning proper autonomy to
the State by 2016 regardless of illegal edicts from Washington, D.C.
Employment
ChristianExodus.org understands that an important concern to our
membership will be employment in our destination state. To help our
members find employment, we will establish an employment service
within our organization. ChristianExodus.org will recruit employers to
hire our members as they emigrate. Different programs and incentives
are currently being evaluated in the hope that we'll be able to find
desired employment for all members who need help. Once launched, check
our Employment page occasionally for updates and new opportunities.
Goals
ChristianExodus.org desires the return of constitutionally limited
government to the whole of these United States. Recent events suggest
that no such return to constitutional principles is likely. Therefore,
we will return such principles to one sovereign State by moving
thousands of Christian constitutionalists.
South Carolina will secure the rights of her citizens by interposing
her authority under the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The
federal government operates outside its delegated powers in the areas
of education, religion, abortion, domestic behavior, intrastate
communication, intrastate commerce, taxation, welfare, healthcare, and
a host of other subjects. Most powers concerning these topics are
reserved to the States under the 10th Amendment. Therefore, we will
see to it that South Carolina resumes her governmental authority in
these matters and that federal mandates in violation of the 10th
Amendment are ignored by the State.
ChristianExodus.org will continue to move Christians into South
Carolina until we possess a representative majority in both houses of
the General Assembly. Such a strategy will make the sovereignty debate
public, and the influence of our membership will tip the scales in our
favor.
** This Plan of Action is subject to revision by the Board of
Directors of ChristianExodus.org. Any material change in it will be
considered reason enough to absolve existing members of their good
faith commitment to relocate to South Carolina should they so desire.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
14 Oct 2004 11:34:44 PM |
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"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Plan of Action
I have a better plan.
Why don't all of you say a collective, "Bye" and just *****.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 06:34:06 PM |
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(biniohas) wrote in message news:<1ff71b64.0410130717.5ad05c87@posting.google.com>...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
Which rights, strangely, have always involved the removal of rights
from black folks.
But let that pass. I'd be delighted to see all you morons congregate
yourselves in a hole like S. Carolina, which is certainly worthy of
your august presences. Just make sure you succed from the US once you
get there.
Oh golly, how wonderful it would be. A world without Tom Delay, Pat
Robertson, Newt Gingrich. From your lips to god's ears. If you'd
like to got to Madagascar or someplace like that, I'd be happy to make
a small contribution.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 12:02:52 PM |
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The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil war.
Today they'd be a backward country and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 12:33:45 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much fewer
people.
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 03:52:19 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter, where
are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of that line
Mason and Dixon drew.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much fewer
people. The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people. So much
for Northern pollution economics.
You wandered in from an alternate universe, evidently -- because the
historical records don't show that in *this* world. The States War ended 140
years ago, cracker, and you live in what was the losing side. Get over it and
get on with life, already.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 07:16:29 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on?
Outnumbered, and not as well equipped.
Lee and Jackson were outnumbered 300,000 to 100,000 in Virginia.
For that matter, where
are you getting your numbers from?
From a very large text on the Civil War I got at Books-A-Million.
I can go get it and cite the title and authors if you want me to.
The wealth was mainly north of that line
Mason and Dixon drew.
Well, I am only citing what I read. The text mentions that the South's
contribution to the GNP was 56 percent.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people. The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people. So
much
for Northern pollution economics.
You wandered in from an alternate universe, evidently -- because the
historical records don't show that in *this* world. The States War ended
140
years ago, cracker, and you live in what was the losing side. Get over it
and
get on with life, already.
140 years ago, but what lessons were learned?
Being outnumbered three to one is not the best of odds in a war.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 08:35:55 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkoej6fiik.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war. Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made. The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent
of the GDP then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on?
Outnumbered, and not as well equipped.
Lee and Jackson were outnumbered 300,000 to 100,000 in Virginia.
Maybe they should have picked a lot better time for their fight, no?
For that matter, where are you getting your numbers from?
From a very large text on the Civil War I got at Books-A-Million.
I can go get it and cite the title and authors if you want me to.
Please do, as you should have to begin with.
The wealth was mainly north of that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Well, I am only citing what I read. The text mentions that the South's
contribution to the GNP was 56 percent.
....which makes the source of said assertion important.
and the North could progress into a modern, enlightened society without
the conservative politicians and god-believers dragging along like a lump
of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much fewer
people. The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people. So much
for Northern pollution economics.
You wandered in from an alternate universe, evidently -- because the
historical records don't show that in *this* world. The States War ended
140 years ago, cracker, and you live in what was the losing side. Get over
it and get on with life, already.
140 years ago, but what lessons were learned?
Obviously, some of your comrades still haven't quite gotten the hang of
actually functioning without slaves.
Being outnumbered three to one is not the best of odds in a war.
Whose fault was that? It's bad enough that we're still paying for the
mistakes made 140 years ago, without having to put up with loons who want to
go *back* to that stone age...and that's the opinion of someone who's
Appalachian in outlook.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Johnny" |
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14 Oct 2004 12:43:00 PM |
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkoej6fiik.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war. Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made. The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44
percent
of the GDP then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on?
Outnumbered, and not as well equipped.
Lee and Jackson were outnumbered 300,000 to 100,000 in Virginia.
Maybe they should have picked a lot better time for their fight, no?
Well, it was a war.
After the South fired shots across the bow of the Union supply ship after
the secession, the North decided to use force to preserve the union.
I guess had there not been so much heated argument up until the time of the
war, maybe they coulda averted it somehow.
The South, or at least its landowners and representatives, was not in
agreement with granting slaves free status, right?
I figure war coulda been averted but the argument had gone on for so long
and the Southern representatives, who I imagine had friends in similar
situations, were not willing to grant freedom to the slaves.
I kinda think they were afraid if they did so that the slaves would leave
and they would not be able to harvest all the cotton.
And, since the slaves did not leave after the emacipation proclamation, and
some even fought in the war for the South, that makes me think had the South
not seceeded and let things transpire accordingly, war would ahve been
averted, and if the North had not chosen to invade, it coulda been avoided,
too.
Again, the arguing had turned both sides into unmoving sects on the slavery
issue.
Worst time in US history, imo.
I also consider had the South gone with freedom, then the issue of free
slaves living in homes owned by the slaveowners would still be there, and
the slaves would work for pay which they would then give back, some of it,
for rent.
Or, the landownders coudal sold the properties to them.
It seems that has happened through the years since the Civil War.
At least that era in US history is done.
The reason people in the South like the Confederate flag is not because it
represented slavery but because they have ancestors that lived here then,
and they don't think of the flag as a symbol of slavery, although there are
some people, fringe type people, who are ractist enough to where they like
the flag for that reason I guess.
Most people I know in the South, having lived here do not even think of
black and white on a daily basis.
We get along very well with one another most always.
For that matter, where are you getting your numbers from?
From a very large text on the Civil War I got at Books-A-Million.
I can go get it and cite the title and authors if you want me to.
Please do, as you should have to begin with.
Dude, it's not in the same room.
I think the title is "The Civil War".
[brb]
I got it now.
"The AMERICAN HERITAGE New History of The Civil War".
Narrative by Bruce Catton, Pulitzer Prize winner
Edited and with an introduction by James M. McPherson, George Henry Davis
Professor of American History at Princeton University and Pulitzer Prize
winner
Contributing Editor, Noah Andre Trudeau, Flethcer Pratt Award winner,
Producer, National Public Radio, Cultural Programming Department,
Washington, DC.
Copyright 1960, 1988
Copyright 1996
The wealth was mainly north of that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Well, I am only citing what I read. The text mentions that the South's
contribution to the GNP was 56 percent.
...which makes the source of said assertion important.
Yes. And, I have no reason to doubt such acclaimed sources.
and the North could progress into a modern, enlightened society
without
the conservative politicians and god-believers dragging along like a
lump
of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people. The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people. So
much
for Northern pollution economics.
You wandered in from an alternate universe, evidently -- because the
historical records don't show that in *this* world. The States War
ended
140 years ago, cracker, and you live in what was the losing side. Get
over
it and get on with life, already.
140 years ago, but what lessons were learned?
Obviously, some of your comrades still haven't quite gotten the hang of
actually functioning without slaves.
Who would that be?
I do not see that happening here.
Being outnumbered three to one is not the best of odds in a war.
Whose fault was that?
I see no fault in it.
I was only mentioning it.
It's bad enough that we're still paying for the
mistakes made 140 years ago, without having to put up with loons who want
to
go *back* to that stone age...and that's the opinion of someone who's
Appalachian in outlook.
Who wants to go back to those days? My ancestors, on my Father's side, were
not here then, so I do not worry about it, but there lessons to be learned
from that time, right?
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| User: "Todd Bandrowsky" |
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14 Oct 2004 12:51:51 PM |
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Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
The South's GDP contribution was largely due to cotton exports to
Europe. So yes, the South was comparitively rich. However, the North
was producing almost all of the manufactured goods. In every measure
of industrialization, the north blew the south out of the water. The
South could barely bring a few ironclad ships to bear, often resorting
to using recycled boilers and scrap, but the North had the huge steel
works (and incidently, a burgeoning oil industry), in Pennsylvania.
Outnumbered, and not as well equipped.
Lee and Jackson were outnumbered 300,000 to 100,000 in Virginia.
Not as well equipped, tell-tale sign of a lack of manufacturing
capacity.
Well, I am only citing what I read. The text mentions that the South's
contribution to the GNP was 56 percent.
See above. All Cotton exports, which incidently cotton would
ultimately collapse, IIRC, from overfarming in the south within 50
years of the war's end.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
This is also a misconstruction, as the bulk of the abolition movement
in the north was essentially what you would call Religious Fanatics.
They felt that Christians should not enslave each other. From an
economic perspective, or godless perspective, there's really nothing
wrong with having slaves or putting up with it. But in a christian
sense its deeply wrong.
140 years ago, but what lessons were learned?
Being outnumbered three to one is not the best of odds in a war.
Sorry but your side started it at Fort Sumter, and our guys finished
it at Atlanta.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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15 Oct 2004 07:50:48 AM |
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"Todd Bandrowsky" <tbandrow@mightyware.com> wrote in message
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Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what
the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the
GDP
then.
The South's GDP contribution was largely due to cotton exports to
Europe. So yes, the South was comparitively rich. However, the North
was producing almost all of the manufactured goods. In every measure
of industrialization, the north blew the south out of the water.
56 GDP to 44 GDP is not the North blowing the south out of the water.
And, the North got a bit pissed from us exporting what they wouldn't trade
for with us.
We didnt; want all their stuff obviously.
We were making more $$ than them, so we would trade with others who had even
more things to send us.
Why did we need ironclad vessels when we were not wanting to go to war?
The
South could barely bring a few ironclad ships to bear, often resorting
to using recycled boilers and scrap, but the North had the huge steel
works (and incidently, a burgeoning oil industry), in Pennsylvania.
Outnumbered, and not as well equipped.
Lee and Jackson were outnumbered 300,000 to 100,000 in Virginia.
Not as well equipped, tell-tale sign of a lack of manufacturing
capacity.
Tell-tale sign of who cares about that when you are making more doing what
you are doing.
Why do you have a problem with prosperity?
Well, I am only citing what I read. The text mentions that the South's
contribution to the GNP was 56 percent.
See above. All Cotton exports, which incidently cotton would
ultimately collapse, IIRC, from overfarming in the south within 50
years of the war's end.
50 years is a long, long time, and I know why textiles went down here.
It is the imports.
You wanna get into jobs now?
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
This is also a misconstruction, as the bulk of the abolition movement
in the north was essentially what you would call Religious Fanatics.
They felt that Christians should not enslave each other. From an
economic perspective, or godless perspective, there's really nothing
wrong with having slaves or putting up with it. But in a christian
sense its deeply wrong.
140 years ago, but what lessons were learned?
Being outnumbered three to one is not the best of odds in a war.
Sorry but your side started it at Fort Sumter, and our guys finished
it at Atlanta.
Listen. The South told the Union troops to abandon the Fort, but the Union
troops rebelled, and the Union ship that came in after secession was not
obeying South Carolina's secession.
South Carolina fired shots across the bow, yet the North rebelled and
attacked later.
And, yes, the North did decimate the South very much.
We did not appreciate the lack of respect for our wishes back then, and we
will not like it today.
If you could learn some Southern hospitality about how not to stick your
nose into other persons business when you are told you are not welcome, then
you would not be shot at.
Learn a lesson from the Civil War, and stop acting as if you know best when,
in fact, you don't.
56 to 44 is not small potatoes.
And, it didn't end at Atlanta.
Appomattox is where Lee surrendered to Grant.
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| User: "Todd Bandrowsky" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
31 Oct 2004 01:05:33 AM |
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56 GDP to 44 GDP is not the North blowing the south out of the water.
In terms of money, it's not, but in terms of an industrial economy,
the north did blow out the south. The North had a significant lead in
the number of railroads, tons of steel produced, whereas the South
just had cotton. The North simply did more technologically than the
South could. The South had the Hunley as its one big tech triumph, but
to build to it, it was built out of an old boiler. The virginia was
also clad with boiler steel. The north on the other hand had all sorts
of advantages.
Why did we need ironclad vessels when we were not wanting to go to war?
Maybe to guard them slaveships?
Tell-tale sign of who cares about that when you are making more doing what
you are doing.
Why do you have a problem with prosperity?
What prosperity? The south was built on using slaves to farm cotton
to sell to Europe. There were not nearly the manufactured goods that
the north had and the south lost the war for it.
50 years is a long, long time, and I know why textiles went down here.
It is the imports.
You wanna get into jobs now?
Hey I don't like imports more than anyone else. Right now the south
got a bit of a boost in manufacturing in the 70s and 80s by running
non-union shops, but now those jobs are going overseas. if you want to
build the country up again, the frigging imports have to stop - I'm a
republican that believes free trade has failed.
And, yes, the North did decimate the South very much.
Yes. We won the war.
We did not appreciate the lack of respect for our wishes back then, and we
will not like it today.
If you could learn some Southern hospitality about how not to stick your
nose into other persons business when you are told you are not welcome, then
you would not be shot at.
Learn a lesson from the Civil War, and stop acting as if you know best when,
in fact, you don't.
How about you southern Republicans take a lesson from the civil, and
join us northern Republicans in wondering that if you in the south
didn't like when the Union stuck its noses into your business, than
why does anyone else in the world? I want to build a Republican Party
whose single message is ***** the world. That's right. Bring the
troops in Iraq home tomorrow. We proved there were no WMDs and we
deposed Saddam. The French and the Germans and the Russians have
proved they are all out to ***** us. So screw Europe, Asia, the rest
of the world, let's just get our troops out of there and go home, cut
off all these imports, and build our own country up, and if we need
raw materials, we can get them from space.
And, it didn't end at Atlanta.
It -did-, in a way, because after the south was cut in half by Sherman
the war was strategically over. Lee did what he could but Virginia was
only one state carrying the burden of the entire union army against
it. Without Sherman's march to the sea, the economy of the south
could support Lee, problems with the blockade withstanding. We could
argue this over a glass of that fine southern concoction, Jim Beam,
some day, and I would be delighted to do so.
But in any case the civil war is over and has been over, and I'm
asking you, no begging you, as a fellow American citizen, a citizen of
nation where both of our grandfather's generation bled at okinawa,
omaha, and a thousand other places on the globe, to build this country
up, to see that where this nation needs to come together on is over
this failed issue of free trade. I've seen too many manufacturing
centers in the north, you've seen the same in the south, where jobs go
overseas. Free trade is a failure. A nation of 300,000,000 people
cannot afford to buy everything a world of 6 billion people makes. We
can't afford to be the dumping ground for a bunch of stuff made by
Chinese workers making 10 cents a day. Really, Kerry or Bush, we're
just electing more ***** if they don't promise to end free trade.
Democrats should have nominated Howard Dean, and Republicans Pat
Buchanan.
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On 13 Oct 2004 15:52:19 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkoej6fiik.fsf@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter, where
are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of that line
Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
You can't fight with a bail of cotton or shoot an ear of corn.
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13 Oct 2004 04:41:15 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> writes:
On 13 Oct 2004 15:52:19 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkoej6fiik.fsf@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war. Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made. The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent
of the GDP then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
....and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than they
did down south.
You can't fight with a bail of cotton or shoot an ear of corn.
Leave Wentzky to try doing just that, 140 years after the fact.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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13 Oct 2004 06:14:24 PM |
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Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
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13 Oct 2004 07:20:54 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
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Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that
matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north
of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully.
Food, clothing, housing?
No labor cost?
Where is the shame?
I have a text on the situation.
It was a very bitter time between the North and the South due to the issue
of slavery.
The argument had been going on for a very long time already.
Also, labor costs are not included in the calculation of the value of goods
and services produced.
The South was outproducing the North 56 percent to 44 percent with fewer
people.
Talk about productivity.
Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
Food, clothing, shelter.
And, again, labor costs are not used to calculate the total value of goods
and services.
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15 Oct 2004 12:35:26 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message news:<ckkdiu$hfm$1@news.chatlink.com>...
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
Until there's a revolution. Hey, it happened in Haiti and it happened in Mexico.
-Hy
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15 Oct 2004 09:07:30 PM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
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Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse
like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that
matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly
north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
And here you are wrong again.
The plantations had the cost of the housing, food, and medical care of the
slaves.
Which would have equaled the cost of the wages being paid up north, or even
exceeding that amount. Plus the employers up north did not provide medical
care at the time.
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15 Oct 2004 09:45:15 PM |
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In article <0e10e6fe7bc73bec6e5c35d0b2afcbee@news.meganetnews.com> "Dana" <> writes:
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
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Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse
like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that
matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly
north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
And here you are wrong again.
The plantations had the cost of the housing, food, and medical care of the
slaves.
Which would have equaled the cost of the wages being paid up north, or even
exceeding that amount. Plus the employers up north did not provide medical
care at the time.
Why then, clearly it was not economically advantageous to own slaves.
Obviously, therefore, there were no slaves an the antebellum South.
Q.E.D.
-- cary
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16 Oct 2004 05:15:00 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:45:15 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) in alt.abortion with message-id
<ckq1vr$nnm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <0e10e6fe7bc73bec6e5c35d0b2afcbee@news.meganetnews.com> "Dana" < > writes:
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:<ckkdiu$hfm$1@news.chatlink.com>...
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse
like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that
matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly
north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
And here you are wrong again.
The plantations had the cost of the housing, food, and medical care of the
slaves.
Which would have equaled the cost of the wages being paid up north, or even
exceeding that amount. Plus the employers up north did not provide medical
care at the time.
Why then, clearly it was not economically advantageous to own slaves.
Only for large plantations. The economy of scale applied here too.
Obviously, therefore, there were no slaves an the antebellum South.
That was true for most of the population.
Q.E.D.
-- cary
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13 Oct 2004 07:37:47 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:14:24 -0400, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <ckkdiu$hfm$1@news.chatlink.com>
wrote:
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like
a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than
they did down south.
Let us not forget that the South had little or no labor
cost, shamefully. Wages are the largest expense of most
businesses, but when they employ slaves that bill doesn't
come due.
There was a cost in the upkeep. That is usually ignored, as is the
fact that there were relatively few slave owners. They were simply
too expensive to buy and support.
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| User: "Attila" |
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13 Oct 2004 07:36:23 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2004 16:41:15 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szk7jpufg90.fsf@fnord.io.com> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> writes:
On 13 Oct 2004 15:52:19 -0500, Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkoej6fiik.fsf@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war. Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made. The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent
of the GDP then.
Really? If that was the case, why did the Confeds slowly collapse like a
poorly-built house of cards as the States War wore on? For that matter,
where are you getting your numbers from? The wealth was mainly north of
that line Mason and Dixon drew.
Agriculture was the basis of most of the wealth in the US at that
time, but it doesn't support a war nearly as well as a factory does.
...and the factories were sprouting up in the north a bit earlier than they
did down south.
A lot earlier. There was more concentrated factory labor available in
the large northern cities and the weather and land frequently ere not
conducive for profitable agriculture.
You can't fight with a bail of cotton or shoot an ear of corn.
Leave Wentzky to try doing just that, 140 years after the fact.
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14 Oct 2004 07:11:25 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:XEdbd.167257$as2.145304@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
Are you counting slaves as peaople?
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
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14 Oct 2004 12:49:27 PM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
Are you counting slaves as peaople?
I am using the numbers of troops of 300,000 Union versus 100,000 Confederate
in Virginia.
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16 Oct 2004 06:31:28 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers
the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what
the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the
GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
Are you counting slaves as peaople?
I am using the numbers of troops of 300,000 Union versus 100,000
Confederate
in Virginia.
I guess you aren't counting their slaves then.
--
Chinese accordions suck.
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16 Oct 2004 08:51:23 AM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South
Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers
the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history
of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a
civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so
much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what
the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the
GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative
politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
Are you counting slaves as peaople?
I am using the numbers of troops of 300,000 Union versus 100,000
Confederate
in Virginia.
I guess you aren't counting their slaves then.
So count them then.
Whatever the numbers were, 56 is a lot more than 44.
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13 Oct 2004 04:34:29 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:XEdbd.167257$as2.145304@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
Sometimes ya gotta just wonder. I'm a southerner and I never heard this.
I've read a good bit on the late unpleasantness and never heard this. I
guess the sounds in the previous posters head are just different.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
13 Oct 2004 07:25:58 PM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
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The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
Sometimes ya gotta just wonder. I'm a southerner and I never heard this.
I've read a good bit on the late unpleasantness and never heard this. I
guess the sounds in the previous posters head are just different.
I can post the reference in due time if I get to it.
Got an appointment at the doctor's office tomorrow.
The text is quite full of pertinent information for that time.
It has the few mentioned horror stories in it, and quite a bit else.
Missouri Compromise, etc.
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| User: "Barry Worthington" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
14 Oct 2004 12:40:23 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message news:<XEdbd.167257$as2.145304@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
But the Confederate States didn't really make anything! At the
outbreak of the war, the North possessed 80% of total U.S. industry.
In addition, most Confederate industry was located in the vulnerable
Upper South, particularly in Virginia. There was only one ironworks,
located in Richmond.
In 1860, 84% of Southerners worked in agriculture compared with
only 40% of Northerners. The North also invested three times as much
per capita in manufacturing by this same time. In 1860, only 25% of
all railroads passed through the South. The South lacked the necessary
industrial, and transportation infrastructure to wage an effective
war.
(Most of this is taken from 'Why the Confederacy Wasn't Ready for
War' by Arturo Rivera, to whom due acknowledgement is made.)
You must surely know that one of the grounds of the dispute was
the tarrif question - the industrial North wanted a protective tariff,
and the agricultural South didn't.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
If you calculate it on the value of cotton exports, and exclude the
slaves, this may be correct...but it doesn't mean anything....
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much fewer
people.
But it was more of a rentier economy, based on the value of the cotton
crop. The economy wasn't really going anywhere...
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
But it didn't have the economic base to fight a prolonged war.....the
blockade did for it in the end.
Look, I'm British, but even I can see that you are talking through
your hat....
Dr. Barry Worthington
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
15 Oct 2004 08:05:47 AM |
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"Barry Worthington" <shrbw@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:7979e864.0410140940.12a1ee4a@posting.google.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<XEdbd.167257$as2.145304@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
But the Confederate States didn't really make anything!
56 to 44 is more.
Why do you want to try to dispute facts?
We didn't need to make anything.
All we had to do was trade for goods from others.
We had what we needed.
And, BTW, what do you call textiles?
At the
outbreak of the war, the North possessed 80% of total U.S. industry.
Who gives a *****?
It still was much less in value than what the South was contributing to the
nation's economy.
In addition, most Confederate industry was located in the vulnerable
Upper South, particularly in Virginia. There was only one ironworks,
located in Richmond.
Vulnerable?
Why would it be vulnerable?
You mean to say the USA is ruled by force?
In 1860, 84% of Southerners worked in agriculture compared with
only 40% of Northerners.
Got a problem with that?
56 to 44.
The North also invested three times as much
per capita in manufacturing by this same time. In 1860, only 25% of
all railroads passed through the South. The South lacked the necessary
industrial, and transportation infrastructure to wage an effective
war.
War?
Why do you think the South was concentrating on war?
We outdid the North when measured by our GDP contribution to the nation.
The superiority of the South's economy is shown.
The Northern economy was inferior because it produced much less in value for
our nation.
Why do you think war is such a good thing for an economy?
(Most of this is taken from 'Why the Confederacy Wasn't Ready for
War' by Arturo Rivera, to whom due acknowledgement is made.)
It was not wanting to war.
You got that through your head yet?
You must surely know that one of the grounds of the dispute was
the tarrif question - the industrial North wanted a protective tariff,
and the agricultural South didn't.
So the South couldn't trade their cotton for product from overseas?
What was the South to do with such an excess of wealth?
I imagine the North was envious and pissed that the South was making deals
overseas.
The South was generating 56 percent to the North's 44 percent of the GDP
then.
If you calculate it on the value of cotton exports, and exclude the
slaves, this may be correct...but it doesn't mean anything....
Doesn't mean anytihng?
It means a lot to me.
I would take 56 percent any day over 44 percent.
Are you always for less wealth?
and the North could progress into
a modern, enlightened society without the conservative politicians
and
god-believers dragging along like a lump of lead.
The South was far ahead of the North in terms of wealth and with much
fewer
people.
But it was more of a rentier economy, based on the value of the cotton
crop. The economy wasn't really going anywhere...
Ask corporations which they would rather have, 56 percent or 44 percent.
Why don't you wake up?
The simple fact of 56 percent to 44 percent is enough for me to know what
was better.
The South was amassing more wealth and with fewer people.
So much for Northern pollution economics.
But it didn't have the economic base to fight a prolonged war.....the
blockade did for it in the end.
Who wanted to go to war?
War sucks.
Look, I'm British, but even I can see that you are talking through
your hat....
War sucks.
Who needs it?
Flat taxes suck too.
Who needs them?
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| User: "Barry Worthington" |
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| Title: Re: Plan For Christian Secession from Satanic USA! |
16 Oct 2004 05:39:19 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message news:<Z1Pbd.4301$qH3.424@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
"Barry Worthington" <shrbw@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:7979e864.0410140940.12a1ee4a@posting.google.com...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<XEdbd.167257$as2.145304@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:ckjnqa$c2k$1@news.chatlink.com...
The Plan of Action
ChristianExodus.org is moving thousands of Christian
constitutionalists to specific cities and counties in South Carolina
through a series of emigrations. Our board of directors considers the
values of this state to be very similar to the values held by our
membership. Additionally, South Carolina possesses a rich history of
standing up for her rights.
<snip>
Bye! Great idea! This should have been done long ago. As a
matter
of
fact, we should've let the South secede instead of holding a civil
war.
Today they'd be a backward country
Do some research before you tell a lie and maybe you won't lie so much.
The South was outproducing the North by more than 25 percent of what the
North made.
But the Confederate States didn't really make anything!
56 to 44 is more.
Why do you want to try to dispute facts?
Beacause (i) you didn't give a citation for your facts, and (ii) the
overwhelming burden of evidence suggests the contrary.
We didn't need to make anything.
All we had to do was trade for goods from others.
But the Union warships stopped you doing that, so your economy
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