Religions > Atheism > Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions
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"J Young" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:19:18 AM |
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Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Choice is a two way street; doctors have every right to NOT perform an
abortion. Apparently PPA wants to dictate which choices one may have.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1799.html
Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Planned Parenthood and abortion advocates
have long been trying to require all hospitals, including religious ones, to
perform abortions. They're particularly upset when a Catholic hospital, for
example, merges or purchases a secular hospital that performs abortions and
revokes that policy.
The abortion business has relaunched its campaign to make hospitals perform
abortions. Planned Parenthood says women are in danger of losing their
"right" to abortion even though abortion businesses are set up across the
nation.
Kiera McCaffrey, Director of Communications for the Catholic League, told
Family News in Focus, "Planned Parenthood isn't content with getting all the
abortions they want in secular hospitals, now they want to demand that
religious hospitals perform abortions as well."
"They want to take us down with them and make everybody violate their morals
and their religion in this quest for abortion and contraception on demand
everywhere," she added
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 07:38:56 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because they are wrong. They express opinions, reality works on facts,
and so does the law in any civilised society.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 07:41:26 PM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote in
message news:39ekn1p8j3ukt7dadh6d0ct4plbjp7serm@4ax.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because they are wrong. They express opinions, reality works on facts,
and so does the law in any civilised society.
Free Exercise of Religion trumps any Planned Parenthood wish to force
persons in the USA to do things against their will.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 07:54:37 PM |
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(Johnny) wrote in
news:BPqef.20289$xK1.19134@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org>
wrote in message news:39ekn1p8j3ukt7dadh6d0ct4plbjp7serm@4ax.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their
position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric
procedures?
Because they are wrong. They express opinions, reality works on
facts, and so does the law in any civilised society.
Free Exercise of Religion trumps any Planned Parenthood wish to
force persons in the USA to do things against their will.
Talking about free exercise of anything in the US these days is a
tricky proposition.
If the hospitals in question take any sort of government funding,
they're almost certainly subject to all kinds of regulations
regarding what kind of services they must perform, what kind of
services they may not perform, to whom they must or can not offer
those services and how much they can charge.
People who clamor for government run health care should think long
and hard about that.
When you ask corrupt politicians to run your health care system,
don't be surprised to find that you have corrupt politicians running
your health care system.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
17 Nov 2005 04:11:23 AM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
Free Exercise of Religion trumps any Planned Parenthood wish to force
persons in the USA to do things against their will.
Then it trumps YOUR wish to force women to obey oyu.
You lose.
Again.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 04:50:22 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 05:37:47 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dlbpee$kia$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
the key word being "Catholic". There are many secular, as well as Jewish,
hospitals that will be very happy to abort babies. Everything about
Catholicism promotes life ( even if some of the clergy are "light in the
loafers" ).
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 06:01:34 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
No such thing as a "catholic" hospital. Hospitals are businesses that
provide medical care.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 07:21:59 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
No such thing as a "catholic" hospital. Hospitals are businesses that
provide medical care.
You have the IQ of a broom handle. Of course there are Catholic
hospitals. They
are called usually by the name of Saints, St. Joseph's e.g. and I
hate to tell
you this but there are jew hospitals also as in "Cedars Sinai" in
L.A.
I have often wondered why men like you are so keen to murder the
unborn and
have come to the conclusion that some daft tart did you a favour and
killed her
unborn child so that you would be off the hook since you didn't have
the guts to marry
her and support your own flesh and blood. Decent women give birth and
take care
of their young just as any animal would. The garbage find some
abortion mill
to solve their "problem" and pay some "doctor" to do the dirty work.
These "doctors" need to re-read their Hippocratic Oath if indeed
they took the oath,
so many of them prefer to take the oath of the jew Maimondes since it
says
nothing about the murder of the innocent baby which appears more and
more like
a jew thing.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
17 Nov 2005 04:10:39 AM |
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<Boedicia@isp.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
No such thing as a "catholic" hospital. Hospitals are businesses that
provide medical care.
You have the IQ of a broom handle.
Smirk.
Of course there are Catholic
hospitals.
There are businesses that are hospitals that are owned by the catholic
church, but the business is not catholic and neither are all of the
employees.
I have often wondered why men like you are so keen to murder the
unborn
Gee, another pro-liar ***** whose best argument is to screech "baby
killer!"
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 05:58:22 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dlbpee$kia$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
the key word being "Catholic". There are many secular, as well as Jewish,
hospitals that will be very happy to abort babies.
This whole abortion atrocity is a jew thing. Must be very
profitable.
Everything about
Catholicism promotes life ( even if some of the clergy are "light in the
loafers" ).
My daughter was born in The Hospital of the Good Samaritan in Los
Angeles, it is
operated by the Anglican Church, *not* Catholic. There is a sign in
the reception area
which states "This hospital does not perform abortions". That's
because it is a
Christian hospital and the doctors there have taken The Hippocratic
Oath. These
blood thirsty baby killers should read it sometime.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 06:54:03 AM |
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wrote:
J Young wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dlbpee$kia$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
the key word being "Catholic". There are many secular, as well as Jewish,
hospitals that will be very happy to abort babies.
This whole abortion atrocity is a jew thing. Must be very
profitable.
Not really. Pre-natal care and delivery is many times more profitable
for all concerned. Since you recently became a father, try running the
numbers for yourself.
First, there is no atrocity involved in abortion. However, forcing
women to suffer and have their lives ruined by preventing them from
getting a desired abortion is an atrocity, since if forced people to
suffer for no reason.
Everything about
Catholicism promotes life ( even if some of the clergy are "light in the
loafers" ).
My daughter was born in The Hospital of the Good Samaritan in Los
Angeles, it is
operated by the Anglican Church, *not* Catholic. There is a sign in
the reception area
which states "This hospital does not perform abortions". That's
because it is a
Christian hospital
Which does not prevent it from caring enough about people to perform
abortions for the women that want them. Also, in LA, there are plenty
of options for other hospitals. In many parts of the country, there
are not. And how do you feel about a hospital that insists on waiting
to perform an abortion on an etopic pregnancy until AFTER the Fallopian
Tube bursts, and therefore causes significant damage to the woman,
hemorraging, a threat to her life, and possible sterility, when an
earlier operation would have been very safe, not damaged her body at
all, and the nearest other hospital was over an hours drive away and
she had no transportation. Because that is what Catholic hospitals
have done to women
and the doctors there have taken The Hippocratic
Oath. These
blood thirsty baby killers should read it sometime.
And maybe you should read up more on Hippocrates. There is only ONE
type of abortion forbidden in the Hippocratic Oath, and Hippocrates
wrote about how to perform abortions in his "On the Diseases of Women"
(IIRC).
What's more, it is unlikely that there are any "blood thirsty baby
killers" in the hospital, unless they are patients and likely under a
police guard as prisoners.
Perhaps the anti-choice fanatics and terrorists should also read the
part of the Hippocratic Oath that states that the doctor will cause no
greater harm that has already been done. Forcing the woman to suffer
through an undesired pregnancy certainly increases the harm done to
her.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "osprey" |
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15 Nov 2005 11:36:34 AM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
J Young wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dlbpee$kia$1@bolt.sonic.net...
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
We're not discussing Catholic Churches, we're discussing Catholic hospitals;
the key word being "Catholic". There are many secular, as well as Jewish,
hospitals that will be very happy to abort babies.
This whole abortion atrocity is a jew thing. Must be very
profitable.
Not really. Pre-natal care and delivery is many times more profitable
for all concerned. Since you recently became a father, try running the
numbers for yourself.
First, there is no atrocity involved in abortion. However, forcing
women to suffer and have their lives ruined by preventing them from
getting a desired abortion is an atrocity, since if forced people to
suffer for no reason.
Mark:
Do you support a woman having the right to choose to abort her fetus at
any stage in her pregnancy?
Also, why do you pretend to care so much about women when you don't
care about men? Men are forced to suffer and have their lives ruined
by preventing them the option of not having to support a child he never
wanted, and it's forced on men to suffer for no reason.
I thought women have come a long way...yet they still need men. Go
figure, why is that Mark?
Why do women, and people like yourself, think of men as nothing more
than sperm donars and walking pay checks?
I figure we should ask you guys these questions since you seem to know
everything and have all of the answers.
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| User: "" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:54:38 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
But Catholic Hospitals are Catholic you birdbrain.
Lunatic fascist.
Yes we know what you are, you don't have to tell us. You don't want
vile
murderers executed, but the innocent unborn you want to kill in the
millions.
Get some help or get your prescription refilled.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Nov 2005 06:02:04 AM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
But Catholic Hospitals are Catholic you birdbrain.
Lunatic fascist.
Yes we know what you are, you don't have to tell us. You don't want
vile
murderers executed, but the innocent unborn you want to kill in the
millions.
You screeching lunatics really don't deal in anything but hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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15 Nov 2005 05:32:57 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
I hate to say it in this case, but as long as the hospital in question is 1.
not the only one around (with "secular" ones not too far away) and 2.
exclusively run and sponsored by the church I think we have to accept that.
If the priests pay for it they have a say on what to do or not to do there.
That's (unfortunately) how the world works.
Of course, if the next hospital where abortions are performed is 500 miles
away, things look different. And _emergency_ abortions (of the kind "Either
the baby is aborted _now_ or both die") would still have to be done there
if this is the hospital closest to the patient.
Just my 2 cents. If I'm unaware of some details which would change the whole
situation, so be it.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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15 Nov 2005 01:51:09 PM |
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On 15-Nov-2005, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de>
wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
I hate to say it in this case, but as long as the hospital in question is
1.
not the only one around (with "secular" ones not too far away) and 2.
exclusively run and sponsored by the church I think we have to accept
that.
If the priests pay for it they have a say on what to do or not to do
there.
That's (unfortunately) how the world works.
Does this go for the CATHOLIC hospital that fought off a wrongful death
lawsuit when a doctor killed a fetus doing an amnioscentesis?
(Please note this question is not directed at you, per se, but is a
demonstration of possible blatant hypocrisy).
Susan
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| User: "J Young" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:28:18 PM |
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<crap poster> wrote in message news:hJlef.19037$Mr4.10618@trnddc08...
Does this go for the CATHOLIC hospital that fought off a wrongful death
lawsuit when a doctor killed a fetus doing an amnioscentesis?
(Please note this question is not directed at you, per se, but is a
demonstration of possible blatant hypocrisy).
Crap
How would testing a baby for genetic defects, so that proper medical
attention can proceed immediately, be hypocricy? The fact that the baby died
pre-maturely is only a sad footnote.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Nov 2005 06:00:08 AM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position
that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
I hate to say it in this case, but as long as the hospital in question is 1.
not the only one around (with "secular" ones not too far away) and 2.
exclusively run and sponsored by the church I think we have to accept that.
If the priests pay for it they have a say on what to do or not to do there.
That's (unfortunately) how the world works.
Nope. It's well-establish the the public good can override corporate
interests. In this case there is nothing is owning a hospitals that
entitles people to discriminate, and requiring full medical care is
not forcing anybody to go against their religion.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:53:42 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dlbth8$38p$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their
position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric
procedures?
Because the Catholic CHURCH is not a HOSPITAL.
Lunatic fascist.
I hate to say it in this case, but as long as the hospital in question
is 1. not the only one around (with "secular" ones not too far away)
and 2. exclusively run and sponsored by the church I think we have to
accept that. If the priests pay for it they have a say on what to do
or not to do there. That's (unfortunately) how the world works.
Nope. It's well-establish the the public good can override corporate
interests. In this case there is nothing is owning a hospitals that
entitles people to discriminate, and requiring full medical care is
not forcing anybody to go against their religion.
Given the exposure of pedophilia in the catholic church hierarchy, perhaps
"catholic hospitals" should be prevented from having pediatric wards?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Planned Parenthood Continues Targeting Hospitals That Don't Do Abortions |
15 Nov 2005 10:08:17 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:19:18 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <h6qdnVjvdM-xyeTeRVn-jg@giganews.com>
wrote:
Why must Catholic institutions, which are very clear in their position that
abortion equals murder, be forced to perform such barbaric procedures?
Choice is a two way street; doctors have every right to NOT perform an
abortion. Apparently PPA wants to dictate which choices one may have.
Then under no circumstances should they get one cent of public money.
Including Medicare and Medicaid. Or any tax exclusions for their
business or their property.
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