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"Roger Paine" |
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02 Dec 2004 11:11:55 PM |
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please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned.
This happens because at any given time, there are several islamists watching
these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on you, so that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24 hours
on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
For instance, anyone who has access to Qur'an can see that it urges killing
the "infidels". See for instance
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e8c7f505.0309270626.3fe32010%40posting.google.com
I tried adding this vital tidbit to the Islamist Terrorism article,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
only to be banned by some admin, who calls himself Ta Bu Shi Da Yo, that
sided with these islamist bastards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu&action=edit
I think it would be helpful if wider sections of the online community chose
to participate in editing Islam-related material on Wikipedia, such as the
following (currently strongly pro-Muslim) articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
and others.
You don't need to create an account to edit Wikipedia, but it helps, because
without a login name, you are apparently treated as a second-class citizen.
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| User: "Phaedrine" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 11:49:33 AM |
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In article <1548626.RDsUtbLCRg@yahoo.com>,
Roger Paine <i.dont@need.your.spam.org> wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned.
This happens because at any given time, there are several islamists watching
these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on you, so that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24 hours
on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
Yes Roger, and you will find that some of the islamists posting to ARI
often quote wikipedia as if it was written by God himself. My advice is
don't waste your time except, of course, to remind people that wikipedia
is kind of an opinion blog, especially for islamists, and nothing more.
No self-respecting academic or scholar would ever rely on...
::snicker::..... wikipedia. And the reason that islamists control the
content is because they have nothing better to do than sit around all
day trying to revise history and paint a pretty picture on their evil,
savage cult. Jobs are hard to come by in Hellholistan, you know, and
they get bored breeding and beating their wife-slaves so they need
something to occupy their copious free time.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 03:22:33 PM |
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On Thu 02 Dec 2004 11:11:55p, Roger Paine <i.dont@need.your.spam.org>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to
the sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists.
Any contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are
reverted, even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who
insists on contributing such material gets banned.
This happens because at any given time, there are several islamists
watching these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on
you, so that your contributions look as if they are something
"everyone disagrees with". They summon some Arab admin, and your IP
address gets banned for 24 hours on the grounds that "yours is a
minority opionion".
For instance, anyone who has access to Qur'an can see that it urges
killing the "infidels". See for instance
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e8c7f505.0309270626.3fe32010%
40pos
ting.google.com
I tried adding this vital tidbit to the Islamist Terrorism article,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
only to be banned by some admin, who calls himself Ta Bu Shi Da Yo,
that sided with these islamist bastards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?
title=User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu&action=
edit
I think it would be helpful if wider sections of the online community
chose to participate in editing Islam-related material on Wikipedia,
such as the following (currently strongly pro-Muslim) articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
and others.
You don't need to create an account to edit Wikipedia, but it helps,
because without a login name, you are apparently treated as a
second-class citizen.
I just read the article. It clearly states that some Islamic groups
interpret the Qu'ran to mean they should engage in terrorism. It seems,
then, that the point you were trying to make is already made -- unless
you were actually trying to make the point that the Qu'ran *must* be
interpreted to mean that, which isn't true at all, as evidenced by the
many Islamic groups who don't interpret it that way.
My conclusion is that you were not wronged in any way.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "R. Paine" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 10:36:47 PM |
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Mekkala wrote:
I just read the article. It clearly states that some Islamic groups
interpret the
You read it after someone took the content of the link I provided and dumped
it into the article, but before *Mustafaa* (haha) got to it. Check the
article history. I'm willing to bet that it will be minced into
insignificance in short order, and probably eventually removed as hateful
or irrelevant, by some "kind" Islamist soul.
Muslims don't want others to be aware of the hateful nature of their
religion.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
06 Dec 2004 09:07:14 AM |
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On Fri 03 Dec 2004 10:36:47p, "R. Paine" <i_dont@need_your_spam.net>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Mekkala wrote:
I just read the article. It clearly states that some Islamic groups
interpret the
You read it after someone took the content of the link I provided and
dumped it into the article, but before *Mustafaa* (haha) got to it.
You liar. I read it *after* you said this guy had "got to it". Unless
you're claiming to have a psychic power that allows you to see into the
future, I think you've been caught in a lie, buddy.
Check the article history. I'm willing to bet that it will be minced
into insignificance in short order, and probably eventually removed as
hateful or irrelevant, by some "kind" Islamist soul.
Guess again, liar.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "R. Paine" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 10:56:34 PM |
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R. Paine wrote:
Mekkala wrote:
I just read the article. It clearly states that some Islamic groups
interpret the
You read it after someone took the content of the link I provided and
dumped it into the article, but before *Mustafaa* (haha) got to it. Check
the article history. I'm willing to bet that it will be minced into
insignificance in short order, and probably eventually removed as hateful
or irrelevant, by some "kind" Islamist soul.
Muslims don't want others to be aware of the hateful nature of their
religion.
Oh, wait *Mustafaa* removed almost all of those Qur'an quotes already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Islamist_terrorism&action=history
Told ya! Nice try, *Mekka*
[8.12] ... I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off
every fingertip of them.
- Qur'an, http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
06 Dec 2004 09:11:27 AM |
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On Fri 03 Dec 2004 10:56:34p, "R. Paine" <i_dont@need_your_spam.net>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
R. Paine wrote:
Mekkala wrote:
I just read the article. It clearly states that some Islamic groups
interpret the
You read it after someone took the content of the link I provided and
dumped it into the article, but before *Mustafaa* (haha) got to it.
Check the article history. I'm willing to bet that it will be minced
into insignificance in short order, and probably eventually removed
as hateful or irrelevant, by some "kind" Islamist soul.
Muslims don't want others to be aware of the hateful nature of their
religion.
Oh, wait *Mustafaa* removed almost all of those Qur'an quotes already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?
title=Islamist_terrorism&action=hi
story
Told ya! Nice try, *Mekka*
Again, I see nothing wrong. The article in no way denies the Islamic
roots of these terrorists. It does show verses from the Qu'ran that can
be said to denounce terrorism. Do you have a problem with that? Isn't
it the right of the contributors to provide the information and argument
they have on the subject? Wikipedia traditionally addresses opinions,
if only to express that they are there. But the article doesn't lie,
nor does it conceal information. What's your problem, then?
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Victoria Hirt" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
05 Dec 2004 01:12:15 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:11:55 -0800, Roger Paine
<i.dont@need.your.spam.org> wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
Where do you find that? Read the info and you will find that ANYONE
who wants can post or edit articles.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists.
What an outrageous idea that Islam-related material should be written
by Muslims. Who do you think should be writing about it? Do you want
Christianity defined by Jews? The first thing they would say is that
Jesus was either a myth or just a prophet like Moses.
Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned.
BY THE MANAGEMENT! The Wikimedia Foundation owns Wikipedia and has a
right to set up any rules it wants on its Web site.
Earlier today I read a post citing freedom of speech on USENET. It
doesn't exist. But even more so, it doesn't exist on any
privately-owned Web site.
If you don't like the rules the owners of Wikipedia play by, then play
somewhere else. You have no grounds to demand that they play by your
rules.
Also, understand that you may well have come in contact with Muslims
who know first hand that Islam isn't the terrible monster you wish to
portray it as. Any religion can be twisted by those who object to it
and by those who wish to use it for their own means. Christianity has
certainly suffered such.
The only freedom tyranny offers is the freedom to submit.
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| User: "free radical" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
05 Dec 2004 01:17:33 PM |
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Truth is truth. If Wikipedia is spreading misinformation that's not true,
then they should correct it. Everyone is accountable to truth.
"Victoria Hirt" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:11:55 -0800, Roger Paine
<i.dont@need.your.spam.org> wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
Where do you find that? Read the info and you will find that ANYONE
who wants can post or edit articles.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists.
What an outrageous idea that Islam-related material should be written
by Muslims. Who do you think should be writing about it? Do you want
Christianity defined by Jews? The first thing they would say is that
Jesus was either a myth or just a prophet like Moses.
Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned.
BY THE MANAGEMENT! The Wikimedia Foundation owns Wikipedia and has a
right to set up any rules it wants on its Web site.
Earlier today I read a post citing freedom of speech on USENET. It
doesn't exist. But even more so, it doesn't exist on any
privately-owned Web site.
If you don't like the rules the owners of Wikipedia play by, then play
somewhere else. You have no grounds to demand that they play by your
rules.
Also, understand that you may well have come in contact with Muslims
who know first hand that Islam isn't the terrible monster you wish to
portray it as. Any religion can be twisted by those who object to it
and by those who wish to use it for their own means. Christianity has
certainly suffered such.
The only freedom tyranny offers is the freedom to submit.
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| User: "Phaedrine" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
05 Dec 2004 03:02:42 PM |
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In article <h9Jsd.29071$zx1.17968@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:
Truth is truth. If Wikipedia is spreading misinformation that's not true,
then they should correct it. Everyone is accountable to truth.
Not muslims..... taqiya is their excuse for endless lies.
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| User: "Roger Paine" |
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05 Dec 2004 01:30:39 PM |
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Victoria Hirt wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:11:55 -0800, Roger Paine
<i.dont@need.your.spam.org> wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
Where do you find that? Read the info and you will find that ANYONE
who wants can post or edit articles.
Only to be reverted, censored and banned by Islamists minutes later.
WP defines NPOV as having *multiple* opinions equally represented.
I ASK YOU, where, on Wikipedia articles about Qur'an, Islam, Terrorism, etc.
can the reader find passages like
""
[8.12] ... I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off
every fingertip of them.
- Qur'an, http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
""
and *many* like it? It's *not* even a matter of *opinion* that these things
are in Qur'an. People did post them there, but all material that is not
pro-Islamic gets reverted. Those who contribute it, get labeled "vandals"
and "islamophobes", and they get banned from editing.
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| User: "free radical" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
05 Dec 2004 03:11:28 PM |
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"Roger Paine" <i_dont@need_your_spam.org> wrote in message
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Victoria Hirt wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:11:55 -0800, Roger Paine
<i.dont@need.your.spam.org> wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
Where do you find that? Read the info and you will find that ANYONE
who wants can post or edit articles.
Only to be reverted, censored and banned by Islamists minutes later.
WP defines NPOV as having *multiple* opinions equally represented.
I ASK YOU, where, on Wikipedia articles about Qur'an, Islam, Terrorism,
etc.
can the reader find passages like
""
[8.12] ... I will cast terror into the hearts of
those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off
every fingertip of them.
- Qur'an, http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
""
This verse certainly indicates that Islam is not a peaceful religion. Some
of the other verses people mention can perhaps be explained away, but not
this verse.
Also, historically speaking, Muhammed murdered some innocent people who
happened to be Jews. I think this happened in Medina, if not elsewhere. I
don't recall Jesus or Buddha murdering anybody.
and *many* like it? It's *not* even a matter of *opinion* that these
things
are in Qur'an. People did post them there, but all material that is not
pro-Islamic gets reverted. Those who contribute it, get labeled "vandals"
and "islamophobes", and they get banned from editing.
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| User: "Bush is the AntiChrist!! " |
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03 Dec 2004 03:35:09 AM |
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Roger Paine wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
Actually what you mean is anything that has been accusatory and
perverted by Jews and Christians, has been reverted. That is a good thing.
Those groups are threatened by the increase in Muslim converts.
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| User: "Rhyme" |
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03 Dec 2004 05:00:53 AM |
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Roger Paine wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned.
This happens because at any given time, there are several islamists watching
these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on you, so that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24 hours
on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a minority
opinion"?
Consider this: there are more people in the world who are _not_ you and
are therefore more likely not to share your opinions about Islam (which
you, like they have every right to hold).
-Rhyme
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 10:16:50 AM |
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"Rhyme" <ryhme_indicator@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:coph16$2gh$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
Roger Paine wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned. This happens because at any given
time, there are several islamists watching
these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on you, so
that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees
with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24 hours
on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a minority
opinion"?
Consider this: there are more people in the world who are _not_ you and
are therefore more likely not to share your opinions about Islam (which
you, like they have every right to hold).
The problem is that he is trying to post facts - verifiable facts - and is
being told it is merely an "opinion" because others don't like his facts.
Wikipedia is supposed to be a factual resource, not a collection of popular
bliefs.
Susan
-Rhyme
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| User: "harmony" |
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07 Dec 2004 02:53:46 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rhyme" <ryhme_indicator@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:coph16$2gh$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
Roger Paine wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came to
the
sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by islamists. Any
contributions that do not present Islam in a positive light are
reverted,
even if they are 100% factually correct. And anyone who insists on
contributing such material gets banned. This happens because at any
given
time, there are several islamists watching
these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up on you, so
that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees
with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24
hours
on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a minority
opinion"?
Consider this: there are more people in the world who are _not_ you and
are therefore more likely not to share your opinions about Islam (which
you, like they have every right to hold).
The problem is that he is trying to post facts - verifiable facts - and is
being told it is merely an "opinion" because others don't like his facts.
Wikipedia is supposed to be a factual resource, not a collection of
popular
bliefs.
is one-god theory a fact according to wikipedia?
Susan
-Rhyme
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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03 Dec 2004 03:25:46 PM |
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On Fri 03 Dec 2004 10:16:50a, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
"Rhyme" <ryhme_indicator@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:coph16$2gh$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
Roger Paine wrote:
Wikipedia is a free and very popular community-edited encyclopedia.
Nowadays, it is probably the largest encyclopedia on Earth.
Wikipedia aims, according to its stated goals, to present a
Neutral-Point-Of-View (NPOV) content on its pages.
I have been watching Islam-related material on Wikipedia, and came
to the sad conclusion that it's been completely taken over by
islamists. Any contributions that do not present Islam in a positive
light are reverted, even if they are 100% factually correct. And
anyone who insists on contributing such material gets banned. This
happens because at any given time, there are several islamists
watching these articles, and if you try changing them, they gang up
on you, so that
your contributions look as if they are something "everyone disagrees
with".
They summon some Arab admin, and your IP address gets banned for 24
hours on the grounds that "yours is a minority opionion".
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a
minority opinion"?
Consider this: there are more people in the world who are _not_ you
and are therefore more likely not to share your opinions about Islam
(which you, like they have every right to hold).
The problem is that he is trying to post facts - verifiable facts -
and is being told it is merely an "opinion" because others don't like
his facts.
Susan, I guarantee you that he wasn't trying to post "facts". The point
he claims he was trying to make -- that the Qu'ran has passages in it
that terrorists use to support their actions -- is already included in
the article. That tells me that it was a different point he was trying
to make, most likely that the Qu'ran supports terrorism completely and
that interpretations that don't agree with that are invalid -- which is
not a fact.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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03 Dec 2004 09:15:14 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:00:53 +0000, Rhyme <ryhme_indicator@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a minority
opinion"?
And nazism was the majority opinion in Germany 60 years ago. What's
your point? :-)
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| User: "Rhyme" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 10:22:56 AM |
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Rune Børsjø wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:00:53 +0000, Rhyme <ryhme_indicator@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Has it ever occured to you that your opinion may indeed be "a minority
opinion"?
And nazism was the majority opinion in Germany 60 years ago. What's
your point? :-)
I was not suggesting that a minority opinion was neither valid nor
worthy of consideration. I was making the point outlined in the second
paragraph, which you omitted in your post that even if you hold a
'majority' view it's possible that the sum of the remaining differing
opinions may be contrary to yours. If you see what I mean.
-Rhyme
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 05:46:53 AM |
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Roger Paine wrote:
only to be banned by some admin, who calls himself Ta Bu Shi Da Yo,
that sided with these islamist bastards:
It is hardly surprising that the views of someone who considers Muslims
"Islamist bastards" should be rejected by a site aiming to maintain a
neutral point of view. Think about it for a moment.
Perhaps, if you have access to a dictionary, it might be worth looking up
the word 'neutral'. You will find, distasteful though it may be for you,
that a 'neutral' view need not necessarily conform to yours.
You don't need to create an account to edit Wikipedia, but it helps,
because without a login name, you are apparently treated as a
second-class citizen.
From this, do we conclude that you attempted to make your edits without
having created an account?
Wikipedia has become a valuable source of information, and has been
reasonably reliable so far in my experience - primarily BECAUSE it
maintains such a strict moderation policy. It would be a great shame to
see its informative articles on religion reduced to endless quibbling
between fanatics of any stripe.
My advice would be that if you wish to submit content to Wikipedia then
consider whether the article you are hoping to correct or amend stirred
any strong emotional response in you. If it did then I would suggest that
you do not submit your amendment unless you are certain that you can write
factually and in a balanced manner despite that.
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Midjis
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 10:18:52 AM |
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"Midjis" < @ . > wrote in message
news:Xns95B477E3D6E52ZRHGRGGNVWLDRAVKW@217.32.252.50...
Wikipedia has become a valuable source of information, and has been
reasonably reliable so far in my experience - primarily BECAUSE it
maintains such a strict moderation policy. It would be a great shame to
see its informative articles on religion reduced to endless quibbling
between fanatics of any stripe.
I've seen *lots* of crap posted on WIkipedia, & it's *precisely* because
they *don't* check facts so much as accept what people say is true.
Susan
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 03:30:25 PM |
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On Fri 03 Dec 2004 10:18:52a, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
I've seen *lots* of crap posted on WIkipedia, & it's *precisely* because
they *don't* check facts so much as accept what people say is true.
I've never seen an article on Wikipedia that wasn't verifiably factual.
I've seen articles that won't commit to views that are considered "fact" by
some but not verifiable. Could it be that you've seen some of these, and
noticed things that you consider false but are verifiably true by expert
consensus?
For example, a creationist might read the Wikipedia article on creationism
and conclude that it's full of crap because it doesn't say that evolution
is bunk. Does that mean the article is full of crap, or does it just mean
that the article isn't going to commit to an unproved opinion?
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: please help fight islamists on wikipedia |
03 Dec 2004 12:42:28 PM |
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Sorry
You've mistaken me for someone who gives a damn.
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| User: "kuff Isaac Adams" |
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| Title: Welcome to Wikinews |
03 Dec 2004 09:27:54 PM |
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