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24 Jun 2006 10:04:13 PM |
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Please Support The Border Fence Project |
http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm
Please Support The Border Fence Project
PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.
BACKGROUND: The catastrophic effects of illegal immigration and terrorism
have become cliche. According to most Border Patrol officials, because 3
illegal aliens on average escape for every one they detain, and about 1
million are detained annually, at least 3 million escape into the U.S. every
year. Illegal immigrants, who most likely number between 20-30 million at
this time, cause debt to local, state, and federal governments, even when
including taxes incurred from them, to the tune of $384 billion annually,
and closer to $1 trillion dollars annually when considering lost tax revenue
because of the ever burgeoning cash economy. Assuming illegals are at best
11% of the population, 4% according to the federal government, they account
for 29% of the crimes committed and jail space occupied. California, once on
the verge of bankruptcy, has seen many hospitals close, school rooms
increase to an average of 50 pupils per class size, and the worst vehicle
traffic in the country, mostly blamed on the increased flux of illegals, who
displace legal citizens whose numbers are decreasing there. The IRS is
raiding the same innocent people for back-taxes that banks are suing for
foreclosure debt because of social security numbers stolen by illegal
aliens.
Because illegal aliens murder 5,000 innocent Americans every year and we
take a trillion dollar hit overall to our economy, illegal immigration
rewards us with a 9/11 or worse every year. But the danger is more horrific
as it is passive-aggressive and growing exponentially, catching all
uninformed Americans off guard.
The Bush Administration, like so many others, is said to be "bought out" in
steadfastly refusing to enforce immigration law and encouraging more to come
here illegally. Even immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not
believe the federal government will ever have sufficient interest in
securing our borders, based on his decades-old struggle with Washington.
There is simply too much special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited
labor, and politicians who hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to
build their voter base are running into direct conflict with the law and
70-80% of the American people, who want severe crack-downs on the southern
border according to all lucrative polls.
Many experts feel the best way to knock illegal immigration down to a
trickle is to repair 9-foot high fencing along the Mexican border and extend
it with enough fencing to close-off the entire 1952-mile length of the
border. Because Washington officials have consistently shown apprehension
and outright consternation of the idea of a complete fence, it is unlikely
they will ever cooperate, assuming the public continues to vote for special
interest candidates. Furthermore, most estimates show that because of the
inefficiency of government labor and high markup on raw materials, the cost
is likely to run $9 billion, only 23% of the Department of Homeland Security
annual budget, but enough to receive grief from the open-borders lobby. We
know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups
already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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24 Jun 2006 11:05:52 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Subject: Please Support The Border Fence Project
I will support such a thing once you are on the other side of it.
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Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your phone
number."
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25 Jun 2006 01:59:18 AM |
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In article <Xns97ECEB00C5584askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Subject: Please Support The Border Fence Project
I will support such a thing once you are on the other side of it.
I was thinking along the same lines. I would support any fence that
would keep trolls, nitwits, and fundies out.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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29 Jun 2006 08:25:55 PM |
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johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
1482F7.23591824062006@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97ECEB00C5584askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Subject: Please Support The Border Fence Project
I will support such a thing once you are on the other side of it.
I was thinking along the same lines. I would support any fence that
would keep trolls, nitwits, and fundies out.
The Pacific Ocean makes a good fence, since it surrounds Bikini Atoll,
which would be a terrific place to deposit youngie and his felow
travellers.
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your
phone number."
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Jun 2006 10:12:45 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:25:55 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns97F1D079FBBaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
1482F7.23591824062006@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97ECEB00C5584askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Subject: Please Support The Border Fence Project
I will support such a thing once you are on the other side of it.
I was thinking along the same lines. I would support any fence that
would keep trolls, nitwits, and fundies out.
The Pacific Ocean makes a good fence, since it surrounds Bikini Atoll,
which would be a terrific place to deposit youngie and his felow
travellers.
What? And poison all the fish?
No thanks!
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30 Jun 2006 06:26:11 PM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:qk59a2ph1s5bagro0pafqpcqvh9bgge2td@4ax.com:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:25:55 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns97F1D079FBBaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
1482F7.23591824062006@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97ECEB00C5584askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Subject: Please Support The Border Fence Project
I will support such a thing once you are on the other side of it.
I was thinking along the same lines. I would support any fence that
would keep trolls, nitwits, and fundies out.
The Pacific Ocean makes a good fence, since it surrounds Bikini Atoll,
which would be a terrific place to deposit youngie and his felow
travellers.
What? And poison all the fish?
No thanks!
What with the background radiation from the "nucular" tests there, I'd
encourage them to fish.
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your
phone number."
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
25 Jun 2006 12:08:48 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Please Support The Border Fence Project
PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
Don't need a fence.
They are welcome here.
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2006 02:48:51 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
They are welcome here.
And the problems that force 40% of Mexico's
population into poverty will continue.
Everything has consequences, and one consequence
to what you propose is suffering-as-usual for many
millions of people.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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25 Jun 2006 04:05:32 PM |
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<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151264931.351035.83320@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Everything has consequences, and one consequence
to what you propose is suffering-as-usual for many
millions of people.
I didn't propose anything.
It's typical for you racists to want to lash out at things that aren't
really there.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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25 Jun 2006 07:54:34 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151264931.351035.83320@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Everything has consequences, and one consequence
to what you propose is suffering-as-usual for many
millions of people.
I didn't propose anything.
It's typical for you racists to want to lash out at things that aren't
really there.
"May GOD BLESS and keep the Wetback.
Now, getoff your ***** and go kill a Wetback
That way we'll all enjoy a double blessing -
one less illegal alien and one thrown away piece of white trash."
- Sanders Kaufman
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2006 07:28:25 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
I didn't propose anything.
Then you need to talk to that other idiot posting
under the same name.
It's typical for you racists to want to lash out at
things that aren't really there.
Oh, honey, did anyone ever explain "Irony" to you?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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25 Jun 2006 04:03:38 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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25 Jun 2006 10:06:01 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall
was about?
Let's be realistic here. The Berlin Wall was meant to
keep people in, not out.
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless
***** can put another one up?
I don't believe in "Government of the land, by the land and
for the land, the people be damned."
Don't pretend you support the Mexican people simply because
you're willing to grant a booby prize to those of them willing
to risk their lives to come here.
Some 40% of the Mexican population lives in poverty, by
Mexican standards. By American standards the figure is
much higher. But don't get the idea that Mexico is a poor
nation. It's not. Mexico is a nation of poor people.
And, no, the United States didn't inflict Mexico's social
ills on the country. Mexico was already highly stratified
long before the United States was in any position to
influence matters, and the Mexican government has a long
history of exasperating their social ills.
If I could over simply things and identify a single defining
moment in Mexico's history, it was after the "Emperor"
Maximillian was crushed, and the new, independent
Mexican government immediately set about concentrating
all the valuable land within the hands of the rich, the
upper classes. The rebellions -- amongst the disenfranchised
poor -- began just as quickly, and until this day have never
really ended.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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25 Jun 2006 12:08:50 PM |
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<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151247961.364648.42500@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Don't pretend you support the Mexican people simply because
you're willing to grant a booby prize to those of them willing
to risk their lives to come here.
I never really thought of living in America is a "booby prize"!
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2006 02:45:06 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Don't pretend you support the Mexican people simply
because you're willing to grant a booby prize to those
of them willing to risk their lives to come here.
I never really thought of living in America is a "booby prize"!
I suppose not. But if you do start thinking about things, maybe
you could explain how continuing the exploitation of foreign
poor is the least bit noble, compassionate, liberal or anything
else it's supposed to be.
And is it only oh so "progressive" so long as the exploitation
is limited to scrubing toilets & picking lettuce, or is it just
as valuable if we take sexual advantage of the poor?
Illegal immigration to the United States is a pressure valve.
Without it, Mexico will implode under the weight of it's own
corruption & social stratification.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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25 Jun 2006 04:05:29 PM |
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<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151264706.901528.20360@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I suppose not. But if you do start thinking about things, maybe
you could explain how continuing the exploitation of foreign
poor is the least bit noble, compassionate, liberal or anything
else it's supposed to be.
That's a typically insincere argument for you anti-immigration folks.
It jibes well with the comment you were defending, that working in America
is a "booby prize".
Racist rednecks often speak that way about our varied cultures.
--
War cures bigotry.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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25 Jun 2006 07:28:52 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151264706.901528.20360@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I suppose not. But if you do start thinking about things, maybe
you could explain how continuing the exploitation of foreign
poor is the least bit noble, compassionate, liberal or anything
else it's supposed to be.
That's a typically insincere argument for you anti-immigration folks.
It jibes well with the comment you were defending, that working in America
is a "booby prize".
Racist rednecks often speak that way about our varied cultures.
"May GOD BLESS and keep the Wetback.
Now, getoff your ***** and go kill a Wetback
That way we'll all enjoy a double blessing -
one less illegal alien and one thrown away piece of white trash."
- Sanders Kaufman
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "" |
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25 Jun 2006 05:37:58 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
I suppose not. But if you do start thinking about things,
maybe you could explain how continuing the
exploitation of foreign poor is the least bit noble,
compassionate, liberal or anything else it's supposed
to be.
That's a typically insincere argument for you anti-immigration
folks.
If you've been sucking on a tailpipe, yes.
It jibes well with
Oh shut the ***** up. You're not interested in anything but
some ***** fencing.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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25 Jun 2006 10:35:04 AM |
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On 25 Jun 2006 08:06:01 -0700, wrote:
Let's be realistic here. The Berlin Wall was meant to
keep people in, not out.
The assertion depends which side of the Wall one is standing on.
It's meant to keep them Out of here.
And In there.
Funny thing about Walls -- they work both ways.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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25 Jun 2006 12:08:51 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Funny thing about Walls -- they work both ways.
.... when they work.
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25 Jun 2006 02:02:09 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
Let's be realistic here. The Berlin Wall was meant to
keep people in, not out.
The assertion depends which side of the Wall one is standing on.
No. It's determined by the motives of the people who build it.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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25 Jun 2006 02:00:35 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:35:04 -0700, Don Homuth wrote:
On 25 Jun 2006 08:06:01 -0700, wrote:
Let's be realistic here. The Berlin Wall was meant to
keep people in, not out.
The assertion depends which side of the Wall one is standing on.
It's meant to keep them Out of here.
And In there.
Funny thing about Walls -- they work both ways.
Depends to some extent on the construction thereof. The wall's not the
only component of a working Border Protection System. I could suggest the
following, with varying amounts of success:
[1] Regular patrols and inspections are required in order to ensure that
the wall does not have holes in it (over or under), or is otherwise not
working.
[2] Concertina wire on the top of the wall is a necessary requirement;
otherwise one would simply sell throwable grapple hooks, which would allow
prospective immigrants to scale the wall. Siege ladders are another
possibility. One might also curve the wall outward, to make scaling more
difficult. Electrification of the concertina wire is a possibility,
though without a ground such would be mostly useless except to indicate a
break in the wire -- notifying a nearby guard post, perhaps.
[3] Gun turrets are an optional extra, for shooting anyone using grapple
hooks or siege ladders.
[4] A "no-man's land" area might be devised, possibly along with a second
wall; the "no-man's land" area might be mined (messy), electrified
(problematic), roadway (easy to maintain with machine-gun-mounted jeeps
but would they be fast enough to reach the perp before he scales the
second wall?), or moated with alligators and/or piranhas (how to feed them
properly?). The distance between walls would be such that the grapple
hooks used in step [2] would be useless for getting across the area. A
third fence, lighter in weight than the walls, is also possible to further
interfere with the throwing process.
[5] Guarded gates in the wall, of course, to allow cars and such to pass
through with appropriate checks. In these areas, the wall becomes a
tunnel of sorts, in Israeli designs, with multiple checkpoints. I don't
know what we would contemplate here beyond mention of a "super-road"
coming in from Mexico.
And even then, what good is a wall against small aircraft? A helicopter
can hop over the entire wall, no problem. Small private planes can land
at any nearby airport, on any empty stretch of roadway, or even in a flat
field in a pinch. This suggests that an additional component of the
Border Protection System would be SAMs, and a registration system that
allows for the successful passage of only authorized aircraft;
non-authorized aircraft would be shot down unless a guard presses on a
Dead Man switch.
And then there's the nuclear submarines and Coast Guard patrolling our
coasts and lighthouses that double as guard shacks.
If we're going to tackle immigration, let's do it right. I don't think
the wall is right, though -- and I'm not sure what right is in this
context.
One final thought: the minimum wage is $10712 per year. Compare that to
the mean GDP/cap in Mexico of $10100 per year and one wonders.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
25 Jun 2006 07:36:35 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:03:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
25 Jun 2006 03:08:39 PM |
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"William Wingstedt" <William_Wingstedt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:03:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
We should talk with the Chinese, they have big-time experience with exactly
the kind of wall we want.
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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25 Jun 2006 07:40:01 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"William Wingstedt" <William_Wingstedt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:03:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BdednbEBpMXeYADZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://users.adelphia.net/~thofab/index2.htm
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
We should talk with the Chinese, they have big-time experience with exactly
the kind of wall we want.
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Interesting that you would mention the Chinese. They're the last
convenient scape goats for lazy bigoted Americans to blame their own
failures on. In the late 1800s the "Big Four" (Crocker, Stanford,
Huntington and Hopkins hired (as a last resort) Chinese immigrants to
build their section of the transcontinental railroad because they worked
harder, faster and cheaper than white Americans, those self same slow,
lazy expensive workers bitched so much about it that *AFTER* the
railroad was built Congress passed the Chinese Exclusionary Act making
it illegal for any more Chinese people to get into the US until after
that act was finally repealed. The US has done the same thing to the
Mexican immigrants, with a slight difference:
A) If you're a *RICH* Mexican you can come and stay as long as you like.
B) If you're just Juan Doe Mexican only so many of you per year can come
here.
The US has no quotas on how many immigrants can come here *EXCEPT* with
the Latino countries. If tomorrow every single Canadian decided they
wanted to visit the US all at once, they'd be allowed to. It is the same
with every other country in the world besides Central and South America.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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26 Jun 2006 08:27:41 AM |
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Miriam Cohen wrote:
The US has no quotas on how many immigrants can
come here *EXCEPT* with the Latino countries.
This isn't true at all.
http://www.closeup.org/immigrat.htm#uslaws
http://www.kkeane.com/quota-faq.shtml
| Why is the backlog different for Mexico, China, India
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| There actually are two separate quota systems in place.
| The first quota system limits the number of people who
| can apply in each category, regardless of their country
| of birth. The second quota limits the number of people
| who can immigrate from any one country (this goes by
| the place you were born, not your nationality!). This
| per-country quota says that no country can send more
| than 7% of the total worldwide immigration (this
| translates to 25,620). Unfortunately, this system puts
| large countries at a disadvantage; the quota is the same
| for India and China with a billion people each as for
| Nauru, with approximately 10,000 people.
So unless people can make a case for asylum or refugee
status, under U.S. law no more than 25,620 people can
qualify from any one nation each year. At present, illegal
immigration from Mexico is estimated to reach 500,000
people each year.
This means that, roughly, one out of every 20 people who
want to come here from Mexico can do so legally.
Part of the issue here is racism -- no denying that -- and
part of it has to do with compassion, as hard is that is to
believe.
Our first immigration laws were designed to favor white,
northern Europeans, with allowences for old-world
bigotries. So England & France were big on the list,
while Spain & Italy were not. Later though, especially
after WWII, the government still wanted to control/limit
immigration, but recognized the need to respond to
a crisis situation. An example here was when, before
the war, U.S. immigration policy stopped thousands
upon thousands of Jews from escaping Nazi persecution.
The new policies favor asylum seekers/refugees over
the classic immigrant.
Mexican (and, until recently, Irish immigrants) were
viewed as people who didn't NEED to come here,
as do asylum seekers & refugees, but simply people
who sought new opportunities. As such, and despite
the disproportionately large number of people who
sought legal immigration, their numbers were limited.
When did things change for Ireland? They didn't. Well,
at least not on the U.S. side of things. With the help
of the E.U. and some lucky timing with the technology
boom, Ireland's economy caught fire in the 1990s, and
the economic issues driving people here largely vanished.
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| User: "Not PC" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
25 Jun 2006 06:04:45 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:08:39 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
We should talk with the Chinese, they have big-time experience with exactly
the kind of wall we want.
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Yah, the great wall of China only worked for about a THOUSAND YEARS.
So I guess it was "ineffective". Jesus you one-worlders are thick.
WHEN we control the illegal immigration problem and Mexico can't dump
it's unemployed on US, their corrupt government will implode. Won't
take a thousand years and then the mexicans can develop their OWN
homeland.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
26 Jun 2006 02:54:52 AM |
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Not PC <noooooone@blap.org> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
We should talk with the Chinese, they have big-time experience with exactly
the kind of wall we want.
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Yah, the great wall of China only worked for about a THOUSAND YEARS.
Well, no. It was breached almost as soon as it was completed.
So I guess it was "ineffective".
It was indeed, ineffective.
Jesus you one-worlders are thick.
Not as stupid as you xenophobes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "cor" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
26 Jun 2006 03:32:34 AM |
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Not PC wrote:
....
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Yah, the great wall of China only worked for about a THOUSAND YEARS.
So I guess it was "ineffective". Jesus you one-worlders are thick.
How many chinese emperor soldiers guarded the wall?
Do you think that being build on top of a mountain ridge and being
made of stone and being wide enough to run an army over it had something
to do with its limited success?
WHEN we control the illegal immigration problem and Mexico can't dump
it's unemployed on US, their corrupt government will implode. Won't
take a thousand years and then the mexicans can develop their OWN
homeland.
you will get some success when the US stops being dedicated to signing with
other nations treaties that ***** their national commerce and wealth.
If the idea is freedom of movement for capital, goods and commerce, then you
have to figure out that people can get the same ideas.
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
26 Jun 2006 09:04:17 AM |
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cor wrote:
Not PC wrote:
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And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Yah, the great wall of China only worked for about a THOUSAND YEARS.
So I guess it was "ineffective". Jesus you one-worlders are thick.
How many chinese emperor soldiers guarded the wall?
Not enough to keep Ghengis Kahn out.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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| Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project |
25 Jun 2006 07:04:07 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 23:04:45 GMT, Not PC <fspn@gnbc.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:08:39 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Please Support The Border Fence Project
I wonder what all the hullaballoo about the Berlin Wall was about?
We cheer when one wall goes down, just so some mindless ***** can put
another one up?
Perhaps the EAC should fund the seeding of the wall with pieces of the
Berlin Wall...
We should talk with the Chinese, they have big-time experience with exactly
the kind of wall we want.
And how ultimately ineffective they are.
Yah, the great wall of China only worked for about a THOUSAND YEARS.
So I guess it was "ineffective". Jesus you one-worlders are thick.
WHEN we control the illegal immigration problem and Mexico can't dump
it's unemployed on US, their corrupt government will implode. Won't
take a thousand years and then the mexicans can develop their OWN
homeland.
How may worlds you got there? I don't suppose you have any recipes for
imploding our own corrupt government in that bag of trick of yours, do
you?
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