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User: "Mr. Young"
Date: 31 Aug 2006 11:28:03 PM
Object: Please Support The Border Fence Project
PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.
BACKGROUND: The catastrophic effects of illegal immigration and terrorism
have become cliche. According to most Border Patrol officials, because 3
illegal aliens on average escape for every one they detain, and about 1
million are detained annually, at least 3 million escape into the U.S. every
year. Illegal immigrants, who most likely number between 20-30 million at
this time, cause debt to local, state, and federal governments, even when
including taxes incurred from them, to the tune of $384 billion annually,
and closer to $1 trillion dollars annually when considering lost tax revenue
because of the ever burgeoning cash economy. Assuming illegals are at best
11% of the population, 4% according to the federal government, they account
for 29% of the crimes committed and jail space occupied. California, once on
the verge of bankruptcy, has seen many hospitals close, school rooms
increase to an average of 50 pupils per class size, and the worst vehicle
traffic in the country, mostly blamed on the increased flux of illegals, who
displace legal citizens whose numbers are decreasing there. The IRS is
raiding the same innocent people for back-taxes that banks are suing for
foreclosure debt because of social security numbers stolen by illegal
aliens.
Because illegal aliens murder 5,000 innocent Americans every year and we
take a trillion dollar hit overall to our economy, illegal immigration
rewards us with a 9/11 or worse every year. But the danger is more horrific
as it is passive-aggressive and growing exponentially, catching all
uninformed Americans off guard. The Bush Administration, like so many
others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce
immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even
immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal
government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based
on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much
special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who
hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are
running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people,
who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all
lucrative polls.
Many experts feel the best way to knock illegal immigration down to a
trickle is to repair 9-foot high fencing along the Mexican border and extend
it with enough fencing to close-off the entire 1952-mile length of the
border. Because Washington officials have consistently shown apprehension
and outright consternation of the idea of a complete fence, it is unlikely
they will ever cooperate, assuming the public continues to vote for special
interest candidates. Furthermore, most estimates show that because of the
inefficiency of government labor and high markup on raw materials, the cost
is likely to run $9 billion, only 23% of the Department of Homeland Security
annual budget, but enough to receive grief from the open-borders lobby. We
know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups
already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost.
--
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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 01:11:54 PM
If it does go up I suggest that all guards have green piping on their
uniform.
This will show homage to the long line of their East German brothers who
guarded the wall.
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 03:04:51 AM
"Mr. Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones,
lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams,
for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.

I don't think the quote was: "Mister Gorbachev, put up that wall!"
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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User: "cor"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 05:19:54 PM
"Mr. Young" wrote:


PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.
... We
know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups
already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost.

Sure you can. You can donate to me, I'll promise to do it for less
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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User: "John D.Wentzky"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 08:13:45 PM
If illegal immigration is so big a problem, why do we need all our troops
overseas defending the corporate enslavement regime at the US taxpayers'
expense?
It makes more sense to protect our own nation by bringing the military
occupation forces in foreign nations home to protect our own borders.
Since we are already footing the bill to the tune of BILLIONS upon BILLIONS
of dollars for security forces overseas at our expense, my idea could be
called a 'no brainer.' But, the genius of it is so obvious, it wouldn't be
me that is without a brain if it isn't pursued.
Having our troops at home defending the USA makes much more sense than
turning foreigners into our enemies by sending our people to their homelands
with guns in their hands to defend the corporate overlords.
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User: "Not PC"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 08:32:55 PM
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:13:45 -0400, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

If illegal immigration is so big a problem, why do we need all our troops
overseas defending the corporate enslavement regime at the US taxpayers'
expense?

So neo-commies like you can make increasingly silly statements like
the one above.

It makes more sense to protect our own nation by bringing the military
occupation forces in foreign nations home to protect our own borders.

That question was answered about 200 years ago when Jefferson sent the
MARINES into TRIPOLI to take out the barbary pirates. Yah.
"Isolationism" hasn't worked for that long.

Since we are already footing the bill to the tune of BILLIONS upon BILLIONS
of dollars for security forces overseas at our expense, my idea could be
called a 'no brainer.' But, the genius of it is so obvious, it wouldn't be
me that is without a brain if it isn't pursued.

Admission of being a brainless follower noted.

Having our troops at home defending the USA makes much more sense than
turning foreigners into our enemies by sending our people to their homelands
with guns in their hands to defend the corporate overlords.

Uh, so the islamofascists will hate us LESS if we stop? Wow, Neville,
you have a future as a UN "negotiater".
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User: "John D.Wentzky"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 08:44:17 PM
"Not PC" <fspn@gnbc.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:13:45 -0400, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

If illegal immigration is so big a problem, why do we need all our troops
overseas defending the corporate enslavement regime at the US taxpayers'
expense?


So neo-commies like you can make increasingly silly statements like
the one above.

It makes more sense to protect our own nation by bringing the military
occupation forces in foreign nations home to protect our own borders.


That question was answered about 200 years ago when Jefferson sent the
MARINES into TRIPOLI to take out the barbary pirates. Yah.
"Isolationism" hasn't worked for that long.

Since we are already footing the bill to the tune of BILLIONS upon
BILLIONS
of dollars for security forces overseas at our expense, my idea could be
called a 'no brainer.' But, the genius of it is so obvious, it wouldn't be
me that is without a brain if it isn't pursued.


Admission of being a brainless follower noted.

Having our troops at home defending the USA makes much more sense than
turning foreigners into our enemies by sending our people to their
homelands
with guns in their hands to defend the corporate overlords.


Uh, so the islamofascists will hate us LESS if we stop?

Sure. And, the non-fascist non-islamic people who hate us will sto phating
us, too.
Who would hate us then?
Would it be you and your type?

Wow, Neville,
you have a future as a UN "negotiater".

.
User: "Not PC"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 09:48:55 PM
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:44:17 -0400, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

Uh, so the islamofascists will hate us LESS if we stop?



Sure. And, the non-fascist non-islamic people who hate us will sto phating
us, too.
Who would hate us then?
Would it be you and your type?

No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead. "Give peace a chance"
isn't a negotiating position with someone that still lives in the 12th
century. Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?


Wow, Neville,
you have a future as a UN "negotiater".


.
User: "John D.Wentzky"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 10:35:49 PM
"Not PC" <fspn@gnbc.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:44:17 -0400, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

Uh, so the islamofascists will hate us LESS if we stop?



Sure. And, the non-fascist non-islamic people who hate us will sto phating
us, too.
Who would hate us then?
Would it be you and your type?


No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead.

You mean the radical Mohammedan islamic types that consider any person who
isn't Moslem to be an infidel?

"Give peace a chance" isn't a negotiating position with someone that still
lives in the 12th
century.

Assuming they still live in the 12th century, why does the 'west' even want
to associate with them or them with the 'west'?

Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?

LOL!
Well, I guess it would depend on if you are only talking or if you are
really demonstrating some love.


Wow, Neville,
you have a future as a UN "negotiater".


.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 11:22:27 PM
John D.Wentzky wrote:

Assuming they still live in the 12th century, why does the 'west' even want
to associate with them or them with the 'west'?

It's a matter of faith - specifically, of "evangelism".
The Christian religion teaches that it's not enough to simply live and
do well according to God's will.
Beyond that, they have a religious imperative to "evangelize" their faith.
In this case, that means Christianizing the Muslim people.
If they don't at least try - they won't get to go to great amusement
park in the sky.
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User: "John D.Wentzky"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 03 Sep 2006 07:01:14 AM
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:7MsKg.14502$1f6.13776@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

John D.Wentzky wrote:

Assuming they still live in the 12th century, why does the 'west' even
want to associate with them or them with the 'west'?


It's a matter of faith - specifically, of "evangelism".

WIth guns?
How about Jesus' teaching about whoever slays with the sword would be slain
by it?

The Christian religion teaches that it's not enough to simply live and do
well according to God's will.

Got a scripture reference to back that up?

Beyond that, they have a religious imperative to "evangelize" their faith.

With guns in their hands?

In this case, that means Christianizing the Muslim people.

With guns?

If they don't at least try - they won't get to go to great amusement park
in the sky.

What about Disneyworld?
Don't you mean the American Bukkake squads can't enslave foreign persons to
manufacture products for the corporate, profiteering, gun-toting occupation
forces?
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User: "Not PC"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 11:15:37 PM
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:35:49 -0400, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:

Uh, so the islamofascists will hate us LESS if we stop?



Sure. And, the non-fascist non-islamic people who hate us will sto phating
us, too.
Who would hate us then?
Would it be you and your type?


No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead.


You mean the radical Mohammedan islamic types that consider any person who
isn't Moslem to be an infidel?

WOW! What a well read libtard. I guess you just defined it.



"Give peace a chance" isn't a negotiating position with someone that still
lives in the 12th
century.


Assuming they still live in the 12th century, why does the 'west' even want
to associate with them or them with the 'west'?

Gee, I don't know. I guess it's all the SAND they have stockpiled.
SAND is in real demand in the developed world. I don't think camels
are a big seller on the world market.



Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?



LOL!
Well, I guess it would depend on if you are only talking or if you are
really demonstrating some love.

Yah. Walk down the streets of "Sadrville" with your ***** hanging out
and "demonstrate" some luv for them. Carry a cross and wear one of
those collar things like the catholic "fathers" wear while you are at
it.
.


User: "Baxter"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 12:34:52 AM
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No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead. "Give peace a chance"
isn't a negotiating position with someone that still lives in the 12th
century. Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?

If they hate us all that much, why aren't more of them over here doing us
damage? It's not like our borders can stop anyone over 7 years old. Our
ports leak like a sieve, and are in the hands of the people you claim hate
us so much. Airline "security" can only stop 89 year old grandmothers while
actual terrorists come and go whenever they please. Nuke and chemical
plants are left unguarded, while police and homeland security check to see
who's downloading music.
.
User: "Not PC"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 12:46:41 AM
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:34:52 -0700, "Baxter"
<lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:

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No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead. "Give peace a chance"
isn't a negotiating position with someone that still lives in the 12th
century. Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?


If they hate us all that much, why aren't more of them over here doing us
damage? It's not like our borders can stop anyone over 7 years old. Our
ports leak like a sieve, and are in the hands of the people you claim hate
us so much. Airline "security" can only stop 89 year old grandmothers while
actual terrorists come and go whenever they please. Nuke and chemical
plants are left unguarded, while police and homeland security check to see
who's downloading music.

Well neville, if you look at a globe and don't rely on Clinton News
Network, you will notice that there are great big bodies of water
between us and them. And since most of the islamofascists don't have
a pot to ***** in they cannot AFFORD to get here. They spend their
time waiting for their UN welfare checks in Gaza or the west bank.
The iranian idiots spend their time and money pontificating (like you
do) about how great they are and what they would do if the great satan
and the UN didn't keep them down.
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User: "Baxter"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 10:57:18 AM
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"Not PC" <fspn@gnbc.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:34:52 -0700, "Baxter"
<lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:


No neville, the islamofascists won't stop "hating" us ("us", ie
non-islamofascists) until we are all dead. "Give peace a chance"
isn't a negotiating position with someone that still lives in the 12th
century. Of course, I could be wrong. Why don't you bounce on over
to Bagdad and walk down the streets in "Sadrville" and tell all those
people "all we need is love"?


If they hate us all that much, why aren't more of them over here doing us
damage? It's not like our borders can stop anyone over 7 years old. Our
ports leak like a sieve, and are in the hands of the people you claim

hate

us so much. Airline "security" can only stop 89 year old grandmothers

while

actual terrorists come and go whenever they please. Nuke and chemical
plants are left unguarded, while police and homeland security check to

see

who's downloading music.


Well neville, if you look at a globe and don't rely on Clinton News
Network, you will notice that there are great big bodies of water
between us and them. And since most of the islamofascists don't have
a pot to ***** in they cannot AFFORD to get here. They spend their
time waiting for their UN welfare checks in Gaza or the west bank.

The iranian idiots spend their time and money pontificating (like you
do) about how great they are and what they would do if the great satan
and the UN didn't keep them down.

Then why are we over there? If what you say is true, they're no threat to
us whether they hate us or not.
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User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 11:22:27 PM
Not PC wrote:

Well neville, if you look at a globe and don't rely on Clinton News
Network, you will notice that there are great big bodies of water
between us and them.

That never stopped them before - so you must be wrong about those oceans
keeping us safe.
Yours is a very pre-9/11 way of thinking.
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User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 10:59:30 AM
What's so funny about peace, love and Not PC <fspn@gnbc.com> posting
the following on Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:46:41 GMT iin alt.atheism?

Well neville, if you look at a globe and don't rely on Clinton News
Network, you will notice that there are great big bodies of water
between us and them. And since most of the islamofascists don't have
a pot to ***** in they cannot AFFORD to get here. They spend their
time waiting for their UN welfare checks in Gaza or the west bank.

You do know that the 9/11 hijackers all flew to the US, right?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 01:57:37 AM
Mr. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.

BACKGROUND: The catastrophic effects of illegal immigration and terrorism
have become cliche.

And obvious propaganda since neither have been anything like
"catastrophic".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 12:41:24 AM
Mr. Young a =E9crit :

PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lightin=

g,

motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, f=

or

less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.

And here's Mr. Decency, using an article without giving its sources as
to give us the impression that he is the sole author.
There's a word for that, J fucking Young: plagiarism.
You'd heard about it if you were honest and... "decent"...
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User: "jcon"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 05 Sep 2006 08:22:10 AM
Mr. Young wrote:

PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lightin=

g,

motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, f=

or

less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.

Sorry, the only way you'll build that fence for that price is using
illeqal aliens, which would present something of a moral
dilemma, wouldn't it?
Better idea, if you really want to build the damn thing, bring
back the soldiers from Iraq and have them do it.
-jc


BACKGROUND: The catastrophic effects of illegal immigration and terrorism
have become cliche. According to most Border Patrol officials, because 3
illegal aliens on average escape for every one they detain, and about 1
million are detained annually, at least 3 million escape into the U.S. ev=

ery

year. Illegal immigrants, who most likely number between 20-30 million at
this time, cause debt to local, state, and federal governments, even when
including taxes incurred from them, to the tune of $384 billion annually,
and closer to $1 trillion dollars annually when considering lost tax reve=

nue

because of the ever burgeoning cash economy. Assuming illegals are at best
11% of the population, 4% according to the federal government, they accou=

nt

for 29% of the crimes committed and jail space occupied. California, once=

on

the verge of bankruptcy, has seen many hospitals close, school rooms
increase to an average of 50 pupils per class size, and the worst vehicle
traffic in the country, mostly blamed on the increased flux of illegals, =

who

displace legal citizens whose numbers are decreasing there. The IRS is
raiding the same innocent people for back-taxes that banks are suing for
foreclosure debt because of social security numbers stolen by illegal
aliens.


Because illegal aliens murder 5,000 innocent Americans every year and we
take a trillion dollar hit overall to our economy, illegal immigration
rewards us with a 9/11 or worse every year. But the danger is more horrif=

ic

as it is passive-aggressive and growing exponentially, catching all
uninformed Americans off guard. The Bush Administration, like so many
others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce
immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even
immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the feder=

al

government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, ba=

sed

on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much
special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians =

who

hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are
running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American peop=

le,

who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all
lucrative polls.
Many experts feel the best way to knock illegal immigration down to a
trickle is to repair 9-foot high fencing along the Mexican border and ext=

end

it with enough fencing to close-off the entire 1952-mile length of the
border. Because Washington officials have consistently shown apprehension
and outright consternation of the idea of a complete fence, it is unlikely
they will ever cooperate, assuming the public continues to vote for speci=

al

interest candidates. Furthermore, most estimates show that because of the
inefficiency of government labor and high markup on raw materials, the co=

st

is likely to run $9 billion, only 23% of the Department of Homeland Secur=

ity

annual budget, but enough to receive grief from the open-borders lobby. We
know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups
already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost.








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youngopinions@aol.com

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User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 05 Sep 2006 07:57:11 PM
jcon wrote:

Sorry, the only way you'll build that fence for that price is using
illeqal aliens, which would present something of a moral
dilemma, wouldn't it?

There's a much better resource.
Texas prisons are chock-full of White Supremacists.
They would make *excellent* workers - and considering what the job is,
they'd likely do the job with enthusiasm.
Not only that, but they wouldn't even need many guards - since the state
would be paying them to do what they wanted to do all along.
The only problem with this is that Americans don't want the border
bigot's fence.
Heck we don't even want the border bigots.
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User: "Maxwell Edison"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 05 Sep 2006 08:57:59 PM
In article <H1pLg.6217$tU.4618@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Sanders
Kaufman at
says...

jcon wrote:

Sorry, the only way you'll build that fence for that price is using
illeqal aliens, which would present something of a moral
dilemma, wouldn't it?


There's a much better resource.
Texas prisons are chock-full of White Supremacists.
They would make *excellent* workers

Bing, bing, bing.
Sorry, white supremacists make lousy workers.

- and considering what the job is,
they'd likely do the job with enthusiasm.
Not only that, but they wouldn't even need many guards - since the state
would be paying them to do what they wanted to do all along.

The only problem with this is that Americans don't want the border
bigot's fence.
Heck we don't even want the border bigots.

"Bigotry murders religion to frighten fools with her ghost." -
Charles Colton
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User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 06 Sep 2006 08:09:29 AM
Maxwell Edison wrote:

In article <H1pLg.6217$tU.4618@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Sanders
Kaufman at

says...

Texas prisons are chock-full of White Supremacists.
They would make *excellent* workers


Bing, bing, bing.
Sorry, white supremacists make lousy workers.

Well yeah, in general that's true.
But on *this* project...
.




User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 31 Aug 2006 11:37:07 PM
Mr. Young wrote:

PROPOSAL: To patch and extend the U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952
miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting,
motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor,
donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for
less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million.

BACKGROUND: The catastrophic effects of illegal immigration and terrorism
have become cliche. According to most Border Patrol officials, because 3
illegal aliens on average escape for every one they detain, and about 1
million are detained annually, at least 3 million escape into the U.S. every
year. Illegal immigrants, who most likely number between 20-30 million at
this time, cause debt to local, state, and federal governments, even when
including taxes incurred from them, to the tune of $384 billion annually,
and closer to $1 trillion dollars annually when considering lost tax revenue
because of the ever burgeoning cash economy. Assuming illegals are at best
11% of the population, 4% according to the federal government, they account
for 29% of the crimes committed and jail space occupied. California, once on
the verge of bankruptcy, has seen many hospitals close, school rooms
increase to an average of 50 pupils per class size, and the worst vehicle
traffic in the country, mostly blamed on the increased flux of illegals, who
displace legal citizens whose numbers are decreasing there. The IRS is
raiding the same innocent people for back-taxes that banks are suing for
foreclosure debt because of social security numbers stolen by illegal
aliens.


Because illegal aliens murder 5,000 innocent Americans every year and we
take a trillion dollar hit overall to our economy, illegal immigration
rewards us with a 9/11 or worse every year. But the danger is more horrific
as it is passive-aggressive and growing exponentially, catching all
uninformed Americans off guard. The Bush Administration, like so many
others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce
immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even
immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal
government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based
on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much
special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who
hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are
running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people,
who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all
lucrative polls.
Many experts feel the best way to knock illegal immigration down to a
trickle is to repair 9-foot high fencing along the Mexican border and extend
it with enough fencing to close-off the entire 1952-mile length of the
border. Because Washington officials have consistently shown apprehension
and outright consternation of the idea of a complete fence, it is unlikely
they will ever cooperate, assuming the public continues to vote for special
interest candidates. Furthermore, most estimates show that because of the
inefficiency of government labor and high markup on raw materials, the cost
is likely to run $9 billion, only 23% of the Department of Homeland Security
annual budget, but enough to receive grief from the open-borders lobby. We
know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups
already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost.

If you build a fence, my compadres will dig a tunnel; if you find the
tunnel, they will build another. Between rounds of tequila and
afternoon siestas, we will find time to chase skirts and dig holes.
And when there are enough of us, we will declare northern Mexico
independent from the US (hey, we can play that game too, amigo).
.
User: "Stan de SD"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 31 Aug 2006 11:58:39 PM
"Tuco Ramirez" <tucodrat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1157085427.729030.30510@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...



If you build a fence, my compadres will dig a tunnel; if you find the
tunnel, they will build another. Between rounds of tequila and
afternoon siestas, we will find time to chase skirts and dig holes.

And when there are enough of us, we will declare northern Mexico
independent from the US (hey, we can play that game too, amigo).

Then when you have made a mess of that, you will try to take over Canada
too, right?
The "reconquista" is simply a tacit admission that the Mexican social and
political culture is a failed one, incapable of meeting the needs of its own
people. You would have been far better off if we stayed in DF in 1845 and
annexed your entire country.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 04:38:19 AM
Stan de SD wrote:

"Tuco Ramirez" <tucodrat@yahoo.com> wrote

And when there are enough of us, we will declare
northern Mexico independent from the US (hey,
we can play that game too, amigo).


Then when you have made a mess of that, you will
try to take over Canada too, right?

Exactly.

The "reconquista" is simply a tacit admission that
the Mexican social and political culture is a failed
one, incapable of meeting the needs of its own
people.

We can't claim they "failed" unless we pretend that
they tried. and they haven't.

You would have been far better off if we stayed in DF
in 1845 and annexed your entire country.

Don't even THINK that!
What Mexico needs is a Casto-style socialist to take
over for about five years, before Mexico again tries to
re-enter the grown up world of free enterprise.
They need the slate wiped clean. They need the evils
of their own home grown disasters -- starting with the
1860s land sales -- reversed.
It's not exactly PC, but Mexico's problems stem from
#1) the European colonials and #2) themselves.
Mexico's highly stratified class system provides all
the incentive the Mexican's need to NOT improve the
situation one bit. "So 40% live in poverty? So what?
That's their place in life!"
I mean, damn! What the hell did you think a class
system meant? That they didn't view the people
at the bottom as beneath them... as beneath a
decent life?
GROW UP!
At present, the Mexican society is totally incompatible
with the United States. We're supposed to be classless,
a nation where ANYBODY -- no matter their family or
background -- can rise to the top.
Mexico is itself responsible for just about all of it's
social ills. After finally winning their independence
in 1867, one of the first moves the Mexican government
made was to sell off all the valuable land "to raise
money." This concentrated the source of wealth into
the hands of the already wealthy, displaced huge
numbers of natives and IMMEDIATELY sparked
social unrest that in many ways remains even today.
Unfortunately for Mexico, the government has always
been successful at beating down these uprisings,
with the result that it was never compelled to address
the underlying cause.
.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 03:49:15 PM
wrote:

At present, the Mexican society is totally incompatible
with the United States.

That's what you people said about the blacks, and the chinese, and every
other non-white race.
In fact - their society is not only compatible with our society, but
it's also a cornerstone of it.
It would be more honest of you to just say you don't like them.
Unfortunately for you, you're too cowardly to speak openly and honestly
about such matters.
It's common for sickos like you (sociopaths) to attribute all kinds of
false things to "society"... when in fact, they're just your own
personal traits.
.
User: "Stan de SD"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 01:20:30 PM
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:f11Kg.23091$gY6.6164@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...

jtem01@gmail.com wrote:

At present, the Mexican society is totally incompatible
with the United States.


That's what you people said about the blacks, and the chinese, and every
other non-white race.

Notice he said "society", not "race". I know it goes against your nature as
a foaming left-wing lunatic, Sandy, but try not to put words in the mouths
of others, OK?

It's common for sickos like you (sociopaths) to attribute all kinds of
false things to "society"... when in fact, they're just your own
personal traits.

Funny how lefties get indignant about attribution to "society" when it is
perfectly applicable, but flip-flop completely when it comes to discussing
issues such as criminal behavior.
.
User: "Sanders Kaufman"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 02 Sep 2006 11:22:26 PM
Stan de SD wrote:

"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message

It's common for sickos like you (sociopaths) to attribute all kinds of
false things to "society"... when in fact, they're just your own
personal traits.


Funny how lefties get indignant about attribution to "society" when it is

.... sociopathic to "blame society".
.


User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 08:08:27 PM
Sanders Kaufman wrote:

That's what you people said about the blacks,
and the chinese, and every other non-white
race.

And what people would that be?

In fact - their society is not only compatible with
our society, but it's also a cornerstone of it.

*****. Their society is highly stratified.
What, were you thinking that Mexico didn't have
the resources to address the problems of the
40% living in poverty, or the 12 million that risked
everything (including life) toc ome here?
Maybe you thought they just haven't gotten around
to it yet?
Grow up, ***** for brains.
.


User: "DarkAngel"

Title: Re: Please Support The Border Fence Project 01 Sep 2006 09:44:03 AM
wrote:

At present, the Mexican society is totally incompatible
with the United States. We're supposed to be classless,
a nation where ANYBODY -- no matter their family or
background -- can rise to the top.

Keyword: supposed.
Isn't it funny how it's always the men who claim the end of sexism, the
whites who claim the end of racism, and the upper and middle classes
who claim the end of classism?
---
No Gods. No Masters.
The only road to classless society is the abolition of capital and state
.





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