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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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25 May 2006 03:27:24 PM |
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Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism. Poland could be Europe's
first red state.
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 23, 2006 | Tom Hundley
Posted on 05/23/2006 5:32:24 PM PDT by lizol
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism
By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent Published May 23, 2006
WARSAW -- Poland could be Europe's first red state.
The 25 members of the European Union do not think of themselves in
terms of blue states and red states, at least not yet. If they did, the
map of Europe would have a decidedly blue hue. Even countries with
conservative governments, such as France and Germany, are blue when it
comes to the "values" debate.
But Poland cuts against the grain. Lech Kaczynski, winner of last
October's presidential election, is opposed to abortion and same-sex
marriage. He has instructed his education minister to come up with
guidelines for the "proper upbringing of children." And lately, he has
been spending a lot of time cozying up to conservative Christian
groups.
While Christianity appears to be in a steep decline across most of
Europe, in Poland the faith still burns brightly. The question is
whether Poland is an anomaly, a quirky throwback to another era, or
whether it is harbinger of Europe's coming culture war.
Poland's churches are packed; its seminaries still are churning out
healthy numbers of priests. According to census data, 96 percent of the
population identify themselves as Roman Catholic; 57 percent say they
attend mass every Sunday. There seem to be as many statues of Pope John
Paul II as there once were of V.I. Lenin.
This week Pope Benedict XVI will pay homage to his predecessor with a
visit to Poland, and Poles have responded by modestly covering up some
of the racier lingerie ads along the processional route.
Pope Benedict's itinerary
The pope's stops will include Warsaw, the Auschwitz death camp and
Wadowice, Pope John Paul II's hometown.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 May 2006 06:41:21 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1148588844.651595.133360@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism.
So they're leaving the EU are they?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
25 May 2006 11:53:45 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:Ma-dnUh6upk83evZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1148588844.651595.133360@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism.
So they're leaving the EU are they?
I heard they were applying for statehood, they sent a nice case of pickled
cucumbers to GWB and promised more should the war on terror demand
it........
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "carnivorous treefrog" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
25 May 2006 07:28:23 PM |
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One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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25 May 2006 08:56:18 PM |
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On 25 May 2006 17:28:23 -0700, "carnivorous treefrog"
<prov_20_24@yahoo.com> wrote:
One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
Why do you want a return to the dark ages, moron?
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
26 May 2006 12:28:10 AM |
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In article <k0oc7218p9st8ejuu5ernqrmnhh8ujvv3m@4ax.com>, Christopher A.
Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 25 May 2006 17:28:23 -0700, "carnivorous treefrog"
<prov_20_24@yahoo.com> wrote:
One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
Why do you want a return to the dark ages, moron?
Because stupidity likes company?
--Sean C
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 May 2006 08:58:56 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, carnivorous treefrog in episode
<1148603303.074919.215960@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
You forgot the "yet" after "dead."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
25 May 2006 11:54:48 PM |
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carnivorous treefrog <prov_20_24@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148603303.074919.215960@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
Ever noticed how a light-bulb burns brightest just before it
goes.....poof......
heheheheh.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
25 May 2006 08:16:17 PM |
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carnivorous treefrog wrote:
One can only hope that the fire of faith that is in Poland will ignight
the rest of Europe. Christianity in Europe may be dormant, but this is
proof that it is not dead.
Back to the Dark Ages _everywhere_, eh?
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| User: "mowhak" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
25 May 2006 04:27:30 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet schrieb:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
-you know what a large minority in Europe really cares about your
religion? Nada.
And the majority just visits your churches because they are
superstitious.
Your main problem is that your personal belief is just very booooring.
*yawn*
And very easy to see through.
mowhak
Ignostic
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Poland Could Be Europe's First Red State |
17 Jun 2006 08:41:33 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism. Poland could be Europe's
first red state.
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 23, 2006 | Tom Hundley
Posted on 05/23/2006 5:32:24 PM PDT by lizol
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism
By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent Published May 23, 2006
WARSAW -- Poland could be Europe's first red state.
The 25 members of the European Union do not think of themselves in
terms of blue states and red states, at least not yet. If they did, the
map of Europe would have a decidedly blue hue. Even countries with
conservative governments, such as France and Germany, are blue when it
comes to the "values" debate.
But Poland cuts against the grain. Lech Kaczynski, winner of last
October's presidential election, is opposed to abortion and same-sex
marriage. He has instructed his education minister to come up with
guidelines for the "proper upbringing of children." And lately, he has
been spending a lot of time cozying up to conservative Christian
groups...
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There was a long history of "red" being the national color of Russia
and hence the Soviet Union, so that "red" became synonymous with
"Communist".
That led to the anti-Communist slogan "better dead than red".
So it was a dirty trick when United States television networks started
using the color red to identify Republican-led states on the United
States election maps.
Since the Democrats were so pro-Russia and pro-Communist, the
Democrat-led states should have been identified with the color red.
[I have not read any other posts in this thread, so apologies if this
point has already been brought up by someone else further down in the
thread]
- moshe
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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26 May 2006 06:07:05 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism. Poland could be Europe's
first red state.
Red? That means socialist/communist over here. Blue means conservative.
Confusing eh?
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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26 May 2006 01:35:47 PM |
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Nosterill wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism. Poland could be Europe's
first red state.
Red? That means socialist/communist over here. Blue means conservative.
Confusing eh?
Actually, blue used to be the Republican color. I don't know when it
was changed.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "" |
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26 May 2006 02:18:52 PM |
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Colin Day wrote:
Nosterill wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637193/posts
Poland digs in against tide toward secularism. Poland could be Europe's
first red state.
Red? That means socialist/communist over here. Blue means conservative.
Confusing eh?
Actually, blue used to be the Republican color. I don't know when it
was changed.
Red seems like the more "radical" color, and the Republicans are
certainly more radical than the Democrats. For example: the
shift from American hegemony to national imperialism abroad; the
enormous budget deficits; the significant increases in surveillance;
moves toward abrogating some of the Constitution, like the Fourth
Amendment; the moves toward a theocratic state. The Democrats
have gone along with a lot of these things, but dragging their heels;
it is the Republicans who have been very much in the lead.
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