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13 Apr 2007 06:35:02 PM |
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Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
"This is a really gigantic, stupid blunder," a police spokesman told the
De Telegraaf.
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
All other police cells in the Dutch capital will soon get similar
compass marks, the in-house newspaper of The Hague police said.
The Netherlands is home to 1 million Muslims out of a population of more
than 16 million.
Immigration and the integration of newcomers have been hot topics since
the rise and murder of populist politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002, who said
the country could not absorb any more foreigners.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/od_nm/dutch_compasses_dc
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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16 Apr 2007 09:40:12 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
Uh oh!
That means they were bent over waving their asses toward mecca five
times a day.
Allah ain't gonna like that.
"Ajwad?"
"Ya Hashim?"
"Does this mean we don't get no virgins?"
"Ya Hashim...ya."
atheist@home#1554
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17 Apr 2007 12:33:22 AM |
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In article <k6c8231553s5lenv5gr7h3j6gb48u1d4po@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
Uh oh!
That means they were bent over waving their asses toward mecca five
times a day.
Allah ain't gonna like that.
"Ajwad?"
"Ya Hashim?"
"Does this mean we don't get no virgins?"
"Ya Hashim...ya."
Heh. Or perhaps their punishment is that the get the virgins but also
eternal case of ED with no Viagra or Cialis to be found.
atheist@home#1554
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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17 Apr 2007 10:23:45 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B54F88.22332216042007@news.giganews.com...
In article <k6c8231553s5lenv5gr7h3j6gb48u1d4po@4ax.com>,
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
Uh oh!
That means they were bent over waving their asses toward mecca five
times a day.
Allah ain't gonna like that.
"Ajwad?"
"Ya Hashim?"
"Does this mean we don't get no virgins?"
"Ya Hashim...ya."
Heh. Or perhaps their punishment is that the get the virgins but also
eternal case of ED with no Viagra or Cialis to be found.
Don't worry about that.
Some spammer, somewhere, must have got hold of the heavenly email addy.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Apr 2007 05:47:52 PM |
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In article <5E5Vh.852$M_3.418@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B54F88.22332216042007@news.giganews.com...
In article <k6c8231553s5lenv5gr7h3j6gb48u1d4po@4ax.com>,
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
Uh oh!
That means they were bent over waving their asses toward mecca five
times a day.
Allah ain't gonna like that.
"Ajwad?"
"Ya Hashim?"
"Does this mean we don't get no virgins?"
"Ya Hashim...ya."
Heh. Or perhaps their punishment is that the get the virgins but also
eternal case of ED with no Viagra or Cialis to be found.
Don't worry about that.
Some spammer, somewhere, must have got hold of the heavenly email addy.
Oh. You get those too? I thought I was the only one. (Not really.)
Smiler,
The godless one
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:11:52 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into the
ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would just
sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not they were
aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have traveled more than
halfway around the globe?
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
A Dutch police station trying to help Muslim detainees face Mecca for
their prayers painted arrows in cells pointing in the wrong direction.
The Segbroek police station in The Hague borrowed the idea of putting
compass marks on ceilings from an Amsterdam hotel, the Dutch daily De
Telegraaf reported on Friday.
Muslims pray five times a day, facing east in the direction of Mecca.
But the arrows in Segbroek pointed west.
"This is a really gigantic, stupid blunder," a police spokesman told the
De Telegraaf.
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
All other police cells in the Dutch capital will soon get similar
compass marks, the in-house newspaper of The Hague police said.
The Netherlands is home to 1 million Muslims out of a population of more
than 16 million.
Immigration and the integration of newcomers have been hot topics since
the rise and murder of populist politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002, who said
the country could not absorb any more foreigners.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/od_nm/dutch_compasses_dc
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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13 Apr 2007 08:51:36 PM |
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"William Wingstedt" <William_Wingstedt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46201aef.8184759@Newsgroups.Comcast.net...
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into the
ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would just
sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not they were
aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have traveled more than
halfway around the globe?
Prayers must be like guided missiles.
If they weren't, then being just a couple of seconds of a minute of a degree
out in Holland would mean that they miss their target (Mecca) by miles. A
small error at the "launch" end could easily be caused by a slight nod of
the head, a cough, a sneeze or even a fart. Being guided, it therefore
wouldn't matter in which direction the prayers were launched, they could do
a 'U' turn in mid air and head towards their intended target. Prayers can be
'launched' anywhere on the earth and still reach their target, so there
doesn't appear to be a limit to their range and they appear to be unaffected
by gravity. There may indeed be a 'time to live' for prayers, but this has
yet to be established.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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13 Apr 2007 09:10:00 PM |
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In article <IsWTh.113$7D4.5@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"William Wingstedt" <William_Wingstedt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46201aef.8184759@Newsgroups.Comcast.net...
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into the
ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would just
sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not they were
aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have traveled more than
halfway around the globe?
Prayers must be like guided missiles.
If they weren't, then being just a couple of seconds of a minute of a degree
out in Holland would mean that they miss their target (Mecca) by miles. A
small error at the "launch" end could easily be caused by a slight nod of
the head, a cough, a sneeze or even a fart. Being guided, it therefore
wouldn't matter in which direction the prayers were launched, they could do
a 'U' turn in mid air and head towards their intended target. Prayers can be
'launched' anywhere on the earth and still reach their target, so there
doesn't appear to be a limit to their range and they appear to be unaffected
by gravity. There may indeed be a 'time to live' for prayers, but this has
yet to be established.
One also has to wonder how the Muslims will deal with being up in space
and/or on another planet, should mankind ever get that far. How does one
face "east" in deep space (or on Mars)?
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14 Apr 2007 08:28:25 AM |
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BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:btr1702-B82528.22100013042007@news.giganews.com:
One also has to wonder how the Muslims will deal with being up in
space and/or on another planet, should mankind ever get that far.
How does one face "east" in deep space (or on Mars)?
Just aim in the Earth's general direction. The "day" part is somewhat
more complicated, but I'm sure they have some solution to that too,
probably something similar to the one that makes it possible to
survive Ramadan north of the pole circle in the summer. (I have a
faint memory about reading an article about a Muslim astrounaut who
did not have to pray five times for each orbit around the earth)
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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14 Apr 2007 12:51:35 PM |
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"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9912A62BCAF90lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47...
BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:btr1702-B82528.22100013042007@news.giganews.com:
One also has to wonder how the Muslims will deal with being up in
space and/or on another planet, should mankind ever get that far.
How does one face "east" in deep space (or on Mars)?
Just aim in the Earth's general direction. The "day" part is somewhat
more complicated, but I'm sure they have some solution to that too,
probably something similar to the one that makes it possible to
survive Ramadan north of the pole circle in the summer. (I have a
faint memory about reading an article about a Muslim astrounaut who
did not have to pray five times for each orbit around the earth)
Lisbeth.
Don't knock Muslim parayer rituals.
On the whole, I'd prefer to see them scraping their heads across the floor
five times a day rather than see them wearing a backpack on a London bus.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Apr 2007 08:44:09 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:51:35 +0100, "Steve O" <spamhere@nowhere.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9912A62BCAF90lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47...
BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:btr1702-B82528.22100013042007@news.giganews.com:
One also has to wonder how the Muslims will deal with being up in
space and/or on another planet, should mankind ever get that far.
How does one face "east" in deep space (or on Mars)?
Just aim in the Earth's general direction. The "day" part is somewhat
more complicated, but I'm sure they have some solution to that too,
probably something similar to the one that makes it possible to
survive Ramadan north of the pole circle in the summer. (I have a
faint memory about reading an article about a Muslim astrounaut who
did not have to pray five times for each orbit around the earth)
Lisbeth.
Don't knock Muslim parayer rituals.
On the whole, I'd prefer to see them scraping their heads across the floor
five times a day rather than see them wearing a backpack on a London bus.
Too bad the prayers aren't a minimum of 90 minutes per grovelling
session.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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14 Apr 2007 12:45:45 PM |
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In article <Xns9912A62BCAF90lisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:btr1702-B82528.22100013042007@news.giganews.com:
One also has to wonder how the Muslims will deal with being up in
space and/or on another planet, should mankind ever get that far.
How does one face "east" in deep space (or on Mars)?
Just aim in the Earth's general direction. The "day" part is somewhat
more complicated, but I'm sure they have some solution to that too,
probably something similar to the one that makes it possible to
survive Ramadan north of the pole circle in the summer. (I have a
faint memory about reading an article about a Muslim astrounaut who
did not have to pray five times for each orbit around the earth)
This is what amazes me about religion. It's like the plot of a sit-com
and there are actually grown and otherwise rational adults who take this
***** seriously.
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14 Apr 2007 08:23:42 AM |
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(William Wingstedt) wrote in
news:46201aef.8184759@Newsgroups.Comcast.net:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into
the ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would
just sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not
they were aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have
traveled more than halfway around the globe?
Are prayers affected by gravity? I suppose they must be, otherwise it
would be forbidden for Muslims to travel out of sight of Mekka.
Without the gravity effect prayers from a distance would just get out
in space, and the idea of praying in a certain direction would be
meaningless, because anybody praying in the US (for example) would
have her/his prayers end up in some distant galaxy.
With the gravity affecting prayers, well, it's probably one of those
fine tuned constants we hear about too much, The gravity constant is
just right so that a prayer from half way around the world will end up
exactly in Mekka. Of cuorse the people who was misled into praying in
the wrong direction are upset, their prayers ended up in the ground
somewhere and will not count.
Yes I know, there are some objections to the above "reasoning", but
there is a limit on how much time I will spend on nonsense answers.
:-)
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Apr 2007 08:47:24 PM |
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On 14 Apr 2007 13:23:42 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote in
news:46201aef.8184759@Newsgroups.Comcast.net:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into
the ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would
just sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not
they were aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have
traveled more than halfway around the globe?
Are prayers affected by gravity? I suppose they must be, otherwise it
would be forbidden for Muslims to travel out of sight of Mekka.
Without the gravity effect prayers from a distance would just get out
in space, and the idea of praying in a certain direction would be
meaningless, because anybody praying in the US (for example) would
have her/his prayers end up in some distant galaxy.
With the gravity affecting prayers, well, it's probably one of those
fine tuned constants we hear about too much, The gravity constant is
just right so that a prayer from half way around the world will end up
exactly in Mekka. Of cuorse the people who was misled into praying in
the wrong direction are upset, their prayers ended up in the ground
somewhere and will not count.
Since there's no one listening to the grovel sessions one's direction is
immaterial.
Yes I know, there are some objections to the above "reasoning", but
there is a limit on how much time I will spend on nonsense answers.
:-)
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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25 Apr 2007 08:56:33 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:fnct239nthdiqd8pk28ufiscrc6o515nft@4ax.com:
Since there's no one listening to the grovel sessions one's
direction is immaterial.
No, if there were someone listening the direction would be
unimportant. As it is, the direction is very important since it adds
another excuse to why prayer doesn't work. "You aimed your prayer in
the wrong direction!"
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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05 May 2007 12:50:27 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2007 13:56:33 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:fnct239nthdiqd8pk28ufiscrc6o515nft@4ax.com:
Since there's no one listening to the grovel sessions one's
direction is immaterial.
No, if there were someone listening the direction would be
unimportant. As it is, the direction is very important since it adds
another excuse to why prayer doesn't work. "You aimed your prayer in
the wrong direction!"
....according to the set script.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Apr 2007 02:06:34 AM |
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In article <46201aef.8184759@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:35:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sure this was only a 'mistake'.
How far do prayers travel before gravity cause them to plow into the
ground? It seems that something as ephemeral as prayers would just
sail right around until they got to Mecca, whether ot not they were
aimed properly...Do prayers expire when they have traveled more than
halfway around the globe?
Could be. I recently read an article about the US 'facility' at
Guantanamo where, in order to keep the prisoners happy or at least not
in open revolt, in addition to the arrow pointing East, they also had
all of the toilets face North South. I suppose it's considered
blasphemous to face Mecca when you're sitting on the can. What nonsense!
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Police gaffe makes Muslims pray in wrong direction
Fri Apr 13, 8:40 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070413/od_nm/dutch_compasses_dc
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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14 Apr 2007 12:52:07 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net>
bloodied us up with this:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
All other police cells in the Dutch capital will soon get similar
compass marks, the in-house newspaper of The Hague police said.
Shouldn't they also be facing down, about 15 degrees? Otherwise they'd be
facing Jupiter or anything else on a tangent to the earth's curvature.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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14 Apr 2007 06:21:57 PM |
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In article <Xns9911E8E1C1C5Dvicman@66.250.146.128>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net>
bloodied us up with this:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
All other police cells in the Dutch capital will soon get similar
compass marks, the in-house newspaper of The Hague police said.
Shouldn't they also be facing down, about 15 degrees? Otherwise they'd be
facing Jupiter or anything else on a tangent to the earth's curvature.
Good point. I suppose if they are exactly opposite Mecca on the Earth's
surface, wherever that is, they should face the floor.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 10:44:30 AM |
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On 14 Apr 2007 05:52:07 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> in news
message <Xns9911E8E1C1C5Dvicman@66.250.146.128> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net>
bloodied us up with this:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
All other police cells in the Dutch capital will soon get similar
compass marks, the in-house newspaper of The Hague police said.
Shouldn't they also be facing down, about 15 degrees? Otherwise they'd be
facing Jupiter or anything else on a tangent to the earth's curvature.
Shouldn't they be facing southeast from the Netherlands? If they face
directly east, their prayers will end up somewhere in Russia
depending, of course, on speed and longevity. How many degrees out of
true is acceptable for prayers? Wouldn't some sort of homing spell
would solve the problem of misdirection?
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 10:30:43 AM |
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Liz wrote:
Shouldn't they be facing southeast from the Netherlands? If they face
directly east, their prayers will end up somewhere in Russia
depending, of course, on speed and longevity. How many degrees out of
true is acceptable for prayers? Wouldn't some sort of homing spell
would solve the problem of misdirection?
What about the Muslims who are on the opposite side of Earth
from Mecca in Brazil? No matter which way they face, they
are facing Mecca as well as in any other direction. Of
course, no matter which way they face, they are also
pointing their asses at Mecca.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 12:44:05 PM |
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In article <jsSdnf21As0wnLzbnZ2dnUVZ_oGlnZ2d@comcast.com>,
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
Liz wrote:
Shouldn't they be facing southeast from the Netherlands? If they face
directly east, their prayers will end up somewhere in Russia
depending, of course, on speed and longevity. How many degrees out of
true is acceptable for prayers? Wouldn't some sort of homing spell
would solve the problem of misdirection?
What about the Muslims who are on the opposite side of Earth
from Mecca in Brazil?
Or what about the Muslims who are standing three feet to the east of
Mecca. Shouldn't they turn around and face west? That way their prayers
don't have to travel 27,000 miles around the earth and would presumably
not lose as much power?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 01:00:51 PM |
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John Popelish wrote:
Liz wrote:
Shouldn't they be facing southeast from the Netherlands? If they
face directly east, their prayers will end up somewhere in Russia
depending, of course, on speed and longevity. How many degrees out
of true is acceptable for prayers? Wouldn't some sort of homing
spell would solve the problem of misdirection?
What about the Muslims who are on the opposite side of Earth
from Mecca in Brazil? No matter which way they face, they
are facing Mecca as well as in any other direction. Of
course, no matter which way they face, they are also
pointing their asses at Mecca.
I had a book which essentially contained letters from the Crusades and there
was mention of teh "newbies" turning Muslims around to face the "right"
direction.
It also mentioned the survival rate of the Muslim wounded treated with herbs
and cleanliness as opposed to the Christians who had crosses cut in their
scalp and salt poured in to drive out the demons.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
25 Apr 2007 09:39:03 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:30:43 -0300, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
Liz wrote:
Shouldn't they be facing southeast from the Netherlands? If they face
directly east, their prayers will end up somewhere in Russia
depending, of course, on speed and longevity. How many degrees out of
true is acceptable for prayers? Wouldn't some sort of homing spell
would solve the problem of misdirection?
What about the Muslims who are on the opposite side of Earth
from Mecca in Brazil? No matter which way they face, they
are facing Mecca as well as in any other direction. Of
course, no matter which way they face, they are also
pointing their asses at Mecca.
They're clear, unless they pass gas.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
13 Apr 2007 11:37:57 PM |
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johac:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
Grassroots resistance against dem ebil muslims? Practical jokes against
morontheism?
Counting the seconds until muslims worldwide rise in anger against this "new
insult"... ten, nine, eight...
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 01:58:47 AM |
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In article <evplql$7pb$5@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:
johac:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
Grassroots resistance against dem ebil muslims? Practical jokes against
morontheism?
Counting the seconds until muslims worldwide rise in anger against this "new
insult"... ten, nine, eight...
I'm surprised something hasn't happened yet.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 09:37:30 AM |
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johac:
I'm surprised something hasn't happened yet.
I guess the führers haven't told their slaves yet that they must rise in
spontaneous righteous protest(TM).
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 06:18:29 PM |
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In article <evqouq$q94$2@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:
johac:
I'm surprised something hasn't happened yet.
I guess the führers haven't told their slaves yet that they must rise in
spontaneous righteous protest(TM).
I haven't heard of some Imam getting up in a mosque and denouncing it
yet. That's how these things usually start. Isn't religion wonderful?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
14 Apr 2007 11:13:43 PM |
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johac:
I haven't heard of some Imam getting up in a mosque and denouncing it
yet. That's how these things usually start. Isn't religion wonderful?
At least the fanatical organized kind, yeah.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Police make Muslims pray in wrong direction |
24 Apr 2007 08:49:23 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:37:57 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote in alt.atheism
johac:
"The faulty compass marks have been immediately corrected. It is a
mystery for us how this could have possibly happened."
Grassroots resistance against dem ebil muslims? Practical jokes against
morontheism?
Counting the seconds until muslims worldwide rise in anger against this "new
insult"... ten, nine, eight...
Have you noticed with all the assassinations and bombings in Iraq
they've stopped drooling about 'God Swill?'
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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