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"Paul Abeles" |
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25 Jan 2004 02:55:47 PM |
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Politics & Religion in the US |
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected leaders
are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 05:57:50 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected leaders
are atheists.
Since when??? The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed the
secular objections. Howard has even manipulated the Board of Classification
to have more places for religious people and has given religious groups,
including Fred Nile's Festival of Light, increased powers to appeal
censorship decisions that non-religious groups do not have. There were even
moves last year by some state and federal leaders to outlaw sporting events
and R rated movies on religious holidays. Politics in Australia are so out
of synch with the general public in terms of religion, that an outsider
looking exclusively at our major politicians would easily mistake us for the
deep south of the U.S.
Lets hope it stays this way.
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 06:10:14 PM |
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n3WQb.27710$Wa.26217@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Since when??? The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and
Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like censorship
and social issues.
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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25 Jan 2004 06:29:32 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n3WQb.27710$Wa.26217@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a
rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Since when??? The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and
Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues.
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
Ummm.....you do know those last four aren't in politics anymore...in fact
one of them is dead.
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 06:33:43 PM |
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
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"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote
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message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n3WQb.27710$Wa.26217@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a
rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Since when??? The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones
and
Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when
the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues.
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
Ummm.....you do know those last four aren't in politics anymore...in fact
one of them is dead.
Only one, bloody hell
Well you tell me out of the state and federal leaders who are professed
theists?
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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26 Jan 2004 01:51:26 AM |
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"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:40145e89$0$18301$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com>
wrote
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message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n3WQb.27710$Wa.26217@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a
rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Since when??? The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones
and
Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when
the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues.
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
Ummm.....you do know those last four aren't in politics anymore...in
fact
one of them is dead.
Only one, bloody hell
Well you tell me out of the state and federal leaders who are professed
theists?
Pretty much all of the government...Liberal and National alike....all One
Nation...a surprising number of Greens, but they are mainly new age type
theists and deists....most Labour including Kim Beasley, Simon Crene and
most of the front bench. Most state premiers including Peter Beatty and
almost all members of all parties in Queensland and a majority of parliament
members in all other states. The numbers drop in the Senate, but not by
much. When did Bob Carr say he was an atheist?
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| User: "Tilly" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
26 Jan 2004 01:49:05 AM |
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Paul Abeles wrote:
Well you tell me out of the state and federal leaders who are
professed theists?
You can start with the Prime Minister who regularly attends church.
Tilly
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Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
26 Jan 2004 05:36:28 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Paul Abeles wrote:
Well you tell me out of the state and federal leaders who are
professed theists?
You can start with the Prime Minister who regularly attends church.
Tilly
And what a wanker he is.
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| User: "Tilly" |
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26 Jan 2004 01:48:09 AM |
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Paul Abeles wrote:
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
They aren't in politics anymore and from memory one of them (Gorton)is dead.
Stop telling porkies and provide current evidence.
Tilly
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Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
26 Jan 2004 05:37:29 AM |
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"Tilly" <Bright1_3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Paul Abeles wrote:
Rubbish. Carr, Whitlam, Gorton, Hayden, Wran, I could go on forever.
They aren't in politics anymore and from memory one of them (Gorton)is
dead.
Stop telling porkies and provide current evidence.
Tilly
Stick to NZ politics please. Carr is Premier of NSW
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 07:41:21 PM |
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "FRANKIE LEE" |
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25 Jan 2004 08:30:43 PM |
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There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of America
did.
They found USA.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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26 Jan 2004 07:29:33 PM |
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"FRANKIE LEE" <s9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of America
did.
They found USA.
Do you realize that you contrsadicted yourself?
Susan
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote
in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when
the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both
sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed
the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "FRANKIE LEE" |
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26 Jan 2004 08:46:58 PM |
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I meant that Founding Fathers of USA,who found USA,and these minority hated
the find of Founding Fathers.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"FRANKIE LEE" <s9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of
America
did.
They found USA.
Do you realize that you contrsadicted yourself?
Susan
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5f_Qb.2383$925.1979@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com>
wrote
in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when
the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both
sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed
the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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26 Jan 2004 09:14:38 PM |
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"FRANKIE LEE" <s9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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I meant that Founding Fathers of USA,who found USA,and these minority
hated
the find of Founding Fathers.
Either you are saying that the founding fathers hated themselvbes, or you
are completely changing the subject.
Susan
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"FRANKIE LEE" <s9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:bv1sn1$1m3$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of
America
did.
They found USA.
Do you realize that you contradicted yourself?
Susan
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5f_Qb.2383$925.1979@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com>
wrote
in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church
when
the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both
sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides
dismissed
the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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26 Jan 2004 01:53:02 AM |
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"FRANKIE LEE" <s9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of America
did.
They found USA.
It was very irresponsible of them to loose something so big in the first
place! Where was it...down the back of the couch?
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| User: "BLUERHYMER" |
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26 Jan 2004 12:46:34 AM |
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Subject: Re: Politics & Religion in the US
From: "FRANKIE LEE"
Date: 1/25/2004 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <bv1sn1$1m3$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg>
There is always some minority who hated what Founding Father's of America
did.
They found USA.
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"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.
He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses for protection of
his own."
Thomas Jefferson -letter to Horatio G. Spaddford, March 17,1814
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
---Jefferson Feb. 10,1814
"What is it that men cannot be made to believe?"
---Jefferson April 22, 1786
Shalom
Bluerhymer
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote in
message news:401456f9$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
The only admitted atheists I know of are Barry Jones and Bob
Hawke. Most of our elected leaders toe the religious line and are
constantly trying to win votes by the standard going to church when the
cameras are there and taking a conservative line on things like
censorship
and social issues. Remember during the first republic vote, both sides
version of the pre-amble were God saturated and both sides dismissed the
secular objections.
It is the US with a completely irreligious Constitution.
We just have a loud minority that is unhappy w/this.
Susan
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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25 Jan 2004 07:42:59 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an atheist?
One or two. Jimmy Traficant is in jail!
If they did would it affect their chances?
In the South they would probably lynch them before the election
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected leaders
are atheists.
Thats what you think! Try electing a muslim in Parramatta
Lets hope it stays this way.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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25 Jan 2004 06:44:25 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:55:47 GMT, "Paul Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote:
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected leaders
are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jan 2004 08:29:47 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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26 Jan 2004 01:57:29 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
That reminds me of an episode of one of the greatest political comedies ever
made, "Yes, Minister." Sir Humphrey manages to get Jim to give
contradictory answers to an idea simply with a series of manipulatory
questions. If you ever get the chance watch the whole series or get the
books by John Lynn and Anthony Jay.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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26 Jan 2004 09:15:14 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:5nu810hojmjhqgke4p12tt1oncanpvcsgq@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending on
who they are.
Susan
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the
betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a
law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:15:32 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:5nu810hojmjhqgke4p12tt1oncanpvcsgq@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending on
who they are.
Susan, that was my point. How the question is answered depends on how
it's asked, even if it's the same question.
Would you like some embryonic poultry and strips of pork belly for
breakfast (assuming someone who doesn't keep kosher)?
Or
Would you like bacon and eggs for breakfast?
How many people do you think would be turned off by the first form of
the question? Even people who eat bacon and eggs.
--
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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28 Jan 2004 08:52:05 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending on
who they are.
Susan, that was my point. How the question is answered depends on how
it's asked, even if it's the same question.
Would you like some embryonic poultry and strips of pork belly for
breakfast (assuming someone who doesn't keep kosher)?
Or
Would you like bacon and eggs for breakfast?
How many people do you think would be turned off by the first form of
the question? Even people who eat bacon and eggs.
Only people without an education.
But there *are* differences greater than that in the questions you asked -
even if they hover round the same general subject.
Susan
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
28 Jan 2004 10:27:48 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:52:05 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending on
who they are.
Susan, that was my point. How the question is answered depends on how
it's asked, even if it's the same question.
Would you like some embryonic poultry and strips of pork belly for
breakfast (assuming someone who doesn't keep kosher)?
Or
Would you like bacon and eggs for breakfast?
How many people do you think would be turned off by the first form of
the question? Even people who eat bacon and eggs.
Only people without an education.
We're talking about those polled in the US.
--
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
29 Jan 2004 09:10:29 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:52:05 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:5nu810hojmjhqgke4p12tt1oncanpvcsgq@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending
on
who they are.
Susan, that was my point. How the question is answered depends on how
it's asked, even if it's the same question.
Would you like some embryonic poultry and strips of pork belly for
breakfast (assuming someone who doesn't keep kosher)?
Or
Would you like bacon and eggs for breakfast?
How many people do you think would be turned off by the first form of
the question? Even people who eat bacon and eggs.
Only people without an education.
Thanks Mum for not educating me. I had pancetta and
eggs for brekky.
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
28 Jan 2004 03:06:29 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:5nu810hojmjhqgke4p12tt1oncanpvcsgq@Pern.rk...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:44:25 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Barna did a survey showing that only 49% would vote for an atheist.
Survey results depend on how the questions are asked:
"Would you vote for a candidate who is an atheist?"
"Would you vote for a candidate who wasn't a member of a recognized
religion?"
"Would you require that any candidate you vote for is of any
particular religion?"
"Do you think that there should be a religious test for office?"
They all ask about the same thing.
You think so?
I can imagine people answering differently to each question, depending on
who they are.
Susan, that was my point. How the question is answered depends on how
it's asked, even if it's the same question.
Would you like some embryonic poultry and strips of pork belly for
breakfast (assuming someone who doesn't keep kosher)?
Or
Would you like bacon and eggs for breakfast?
No thanks I prefer fowl foetus and pig gut.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 04:48:51 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:55:47 GMT, "Paul Abeles" <nospampaabeles@hotmail.com>
wrote:
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected leaders
are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
Let's see. So you support the butchery of the human unborn for one's own
personal comfort and convenience.
Wow, that's really something for an aussie atheist to be proud of.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 07:39:06 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:55:47 GMT, "Paul Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@hotmail.com>
wrote:
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
Let's see. So you support the butchery of the human unborn for one's own
personal comfort and convenience.
And you obviously support the notion that something not yet human is worth
more than a woman.
Wow, that's really something for an aussie atheist to be proud of.
Cettianly more so than your position.
Susan
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
25 Jan 2004 05:43:13 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:55:47 GMT, "Paul Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@hotmail.com>
wrote:
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a rats
arse
about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our elected
leaders
are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
Let's see. So you support the butchery of the human unborn for one's own
personal comfort and convenience.
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| User: "Woden" |
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25 Jan 2004 05:05:32 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:osh810pluqachncqh0i1gshemdr1u4vpvk@4ax.com:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:55:47 GMT, "Paul Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@hotmail.com> wrote:
How many politicians in the US are brave enough to admit to be an
atheist?
If they did would it affect their chances?
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a
rats arse about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our
elected leaders are atheists.
Lets hope it stays this way.
Let's see. So you support the butchery of the human unborn for one's
own personal comfort and convenience.
Wow, that's really something for an aussie atheist to be proud of.
And I'm sure you're proud to support Bush & Co in their butchery of
thousands of Iraqi's for the profit of their friends.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Tilly" |
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| Title: Re: Politics & Religion in the US |
26 Jan 2004 01:46:05 AM |
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Paul Abeles wrote:
Luckily in Australia the vast majority of electors couldn't give a
rats arse about the religious beliefs of the candidates. Most of our
elected leaders are atheists.
How do you know this? Proof? Howard is certainly no atheist.
His former appointee to the role of Governor General was a former
Archbishop.
Tilly
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Bright1_3@hotmail.com
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