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"duke" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 AM |
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Poll: the greatest man ever is............. |
...............Jesus Christ, God become man to die for the redemption of our sins
and to restore salvation to our souls.
"No greater love has one man for another than to give his life for the other."
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: the greatest man ever is............. |
18 Jun 2005 11:53:26 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vf68b1hd7qrufopses90pi5nohhkhjg2o4@4ax.com...
..............Jesus Christ, God become man to die for the redemption of
our sins
and to restore salvation to our souls.
"No greater love has one man for another than to give his life for the
other."
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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But according to your dogma, Jesus was actually God - so to be a great man,
one must be God?
Kathy aa #1802
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| User: "Ike" |
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18 Jun 2005 04:22:13 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vf68b1hd7qrufopses90pi5nohhkhjg2o4@4ax.com...
..............Jesus Christ, God become man to die for the redemption of
our sins
and to restore salvation to our souls.
"No greater love has one man for another than to give his life for the
other."
It certainly seems to defy any reasoning.
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| User: "loose cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: the greatest man ever is............. |
18 Jun 2005 02:37:09 PM |
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I vote for me.
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| User: "Razor 616" |
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18 Jun 2005 10:18:49 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
..............Jesus Christ
Who nobody can prove truly existed, and did absolutely *nothing*...
right.
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#1295
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| User: "Mary Walker" |
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18 Jun 2005 02:54:29 PM |
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"Razor 616" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
..............Jesus Christ
Who nobody can prove truly existed, and did absolutely *nothing*...
right.
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No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney Christians
like to believe).
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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18 Jun 2005 03:05:51 PM |
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"Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote in
news:42b47bfe$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
"Razor 616" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
..............Jesus Christ
Who nobody can prove truly existed, and did absolutely *nothing*...
right.
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No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even
more since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed
as a MAN, not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many
looney Christians like to believe).
What evidence?
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
[I]f I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to
save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the
pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous
atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose
every deed is foul, foul, foul.
-- Isaac Asimov, I. Asimov: A Memoir
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: the greatest man ever is............. |
18 Jun 2005 03:00:46 PM |
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"Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote in message
news:42b47bfe$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney
Christians like to believe).
'Lots of historical evidence'...? I hope you'll forgive me for asking just
*where it is* that I can find this 'lots of evidence'...
Ta.
Katt.
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:47:29 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:00:46 GMT, "Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote:
"Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote in message
news:42b47bfe$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney
Christians like to believe).
'Lots of historical evidence'...? I hope you'll forgive me for asking just
*where it is* that I can find this 'lots of evidence'...
Eye witness accounts from long ago. Written down in numerous places, including
the bible.
Get with the program, katt.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:57:13 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:47:29 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:00:46 GMT, "Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote:
"Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote in message
news:42b47bfe$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney
Christians like to believe).
'Lots of historical evidence'...? I hope you'll forgive me for asking just
*where it is* that I can find this 'lots of evidence'...
Eye witness accounts from long ago. Written down in numerous places,
Where?
including
the bible.
There is nothing in the bible, to suggest that the accounts are eye wittiness.
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable time
later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of the history
of the region.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:02:40 PM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:47:29 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:00:46 GMT, "Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote:
"Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote in message
news:42b47bfe$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even
more since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as
a MAN, not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney
Christians like to believe).
'Lots of historical evidence'...? I hope you'll forgive me for asking
just *where it is* that I can find this 'lots of evidence'...
Eye witness accounts from long ago. Written down in numerous places,
Where?
including
the bible.
There is nothing in the bible, to suggest that the accounts are eye
wittiness.
Duke thinks that an account, written 50 years after the event, that says
"there were 500 eyewitnesses" is the same as 500 eyewitness accounts.
There's not a lot you can do with stupidity like that.
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable
time later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of
the history of the region.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:21:13 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:57:13 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Eye witness accounts from long ago. Written down in numerous places,
Where?
The writings of the early Church Fathers, words not found in the bible as their
own writings.
including
the bible.
There is nothing in the bible, to suggest that the accounts are eye wittiness.
Not even the people that were eye witnesses?
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable time
later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of the history
of the region.
Nope, no such facts in evidence.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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20 Jun 2005 08:50:13 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:21:13 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:57:13 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Eye witness accounts from long ago. Written down in numerous places,
Where?
The writings of the early Church Fathers, words not found in the bible as their
own writings.
Be more specific. Where are they, and who were these early church fathers?
including
the bible.
There is nothing in the bible, to suggest that the accounts are eye wittiness.
Not even the people that were eye witnesses?
Just because a story says that there were 5000 witnesses, that does not count as
5000 witnesses.
So who were these witnesses?
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable time
later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of the history
of the region.
Nope, no such facts in evidence.
So everything that is recorded, that does not agree with your bible, is a lie:
Yes?
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Jun 2005 05:44:23 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:50:13 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Not even the people that were eye witnesses?
Just because a story says that there were 5000 witnesses, that does not count as
5000 witnesses.
So who were these witnesses?
The people who where there and experienced the events.
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable time
later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of the history
of the region.
Nope, no such facts in evidence.
So everything that is recorded, that does not agree with your bible, is a lie:
Yes?
That's what I'm saying about your words.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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21 Jun 2005 06:33:51 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:44:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:50:13 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Not even the people that were eye witnesses?
Just because a story says that there were 5000 witnesses, that does not count as
5000 witnesses.
So who were these witnesses?
The people who where there and experienced the events.
That only tells us *what* they were, I am asking *who* they were,
Fact is, the evidence suggests that they ware made up, some considerable time
later, and by a person or persons, who had little or no knowledge of the history
of the region.
Nope, no such facts in evidence.
So everything that is recorded, that does not agree with your bible, is a lie:
Yes?
That's what I'm saying about your words.
Not just my words, all of history, that does not support your beliefs.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jun 2005 06:47:01 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:33:51 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
So who were these witnesses?
The people who where there and experienced the events.
That only tells us *what* they were, I am asking *who* they were,
I told you - eye witnesses.
Not just my words, all of history, that does not support your beliefs.
What history doesn't?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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23 Jun 2005 11:23:21 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:47:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:33:51 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
So who were these witnesses?
The people who where there and experienced the events.
That only tells us *what* they were, I am asking *who* they were,
I told you - eye witnesses.
Not just my words, all of history, that does not support your beliefs.
What history doesn't?
Easier to list the biblical claims that history *does support.
First: ...
Guess that is about it.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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22 Jun 2005 11:08:13 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:33:51 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
So who were these witnesses?
The people who where there and experienced the events.
That only tells us *what* they were, I am asking *who* they were,
I told you - eye witnesses.
Which eye witnesses? That's what Dubh was aking with the "who"
question. What are their names?
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:55:03 AM |
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Mary Walker wrote:
"Razor 616" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:0ne8b1hfkglpljkjab3p3n8na6sl99feaq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
..............Jesus Christ
Who nobody can prove truly existed, and did absolutely *nothing*...
right.
--
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney Christians
like to believe).
what evidence ? ..... The Dead Sea Scrolls make absolutely no mention of
Christ .... and there is no other contemporary account that mentions him
either ....
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Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:51:10 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:55:03 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
what evidence ? ..... The Dead Sea Scrolls make absolutely no mention of
Christ .... and there is no other contemporary account that mentions him
either ....
The evidence supporting other parts of the bible.
Remember, the OT prophesies the coming of the Messiah. 2000 years ago, he came
in the person of God become man - Jesus the Christ.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:00:57 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:51:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:55:03 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
what evidence ? ..... The Dead Sea Scrolls make absolutely no mention of
Christ .... and there is no other contemporary account that mentions him
either ....
The evidence supporting other parts of the bible.
Remember, the OT prophesies the coming of the Messiah. 2000 years ago, he came
in the person of God become man - Jesus the Christ.
And the Jews are still waiting.
As it was the Jews that the promise was made to, it is my guess that they will
be the first to know, when this messiah, arrives.
Or did your unchanging god, change again?
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:23:00 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:00:57 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Remember, the OT prophesies the coming of the Messiah. 2000 years ago, he came
in the person of God become man - Jesus the Christ.
And the Jews are still waiting.
That's exactly right.
As it was the Jews that the promise was made to, it is my guess that they will
be the first to know, when this messiah, arrives.
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Or did your unchanging god, change again?
Nope, he became exactly what he promised - the messiah.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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20 Jun 2005 08:51:53 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:23:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:00:57 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Remember, the OT prophesies the coming of the Messiah. 2000 years ago, he came
in the person of God become man - Jesus the Christ.
And the Jews are still waiting.
That's exactly right.
As it was the Jews that the promise was made to, it is my guess that they will
be the first to know, when this messiah, arrives.
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Yes, that is what the bible says, and nowhere is that changed.
Or did your unchanging god, change again?
Nope, he became exactly what he promised - the messiah.
No, there was no warrior.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Jun 2005 05:46:10 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:51:53 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
As it was the Jews that the promise was made to, it is my guess that they will
be the first to know, when this messiah, arrives.
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Yes, that is what the bible says, and nowhere is that changed.
Correction. The bible says that is what they believed.
Or did your unchanging god, change again?
Nope, he became exactly what he promised - the messiah.
No, there was no warrior.
Right - he never promised himself as a warrior king.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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21 Jun 2005 06:38:26 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:46:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:51:53 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
As it was the Jews that the promise was made to, it is my guess that they will
be the first to know, when this messiah, arrives.
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Yes, that is what the bible says, and nowhere is that changed.
Correction. The bible says that is what they believed.
So now, you claim that the bible is wrong.
Keep it up, you're doing fine.
Or did your unchanging god, change again?
Nope, he became exactly what he promised - the messiah.
No, there was no warrior.
Right - he never promised himself as a warrior king.
Your god, promised to send a messiah, it never promised to come it's self.
So who promised himself?
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jun 2005 06:48:24 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:38:26 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Yes, that is what the bible says, and nowhere is that changed.
Correction. The bible says that is what they believed.
So now, you claim that the bible is wrong.
Keep it up, you're doing fine.
Not me, Christ cleared it up.
Right - he never promised himself as a warrior king.
Your god, promised to send a messiah, it never promised to come it's self.
Same difference, dummy.
So who promised himself?
God.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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23 Jun 2005 11:24:29 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:48:24 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:38:26 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Naw, they still think he is to be a warrior king.
Yes, that is what the bible says, and nowhere is that changed.
Correction. The bible says that is what they believed.
So now, you claim that the bible is wrong.
Keep it up, you're doing fine.
Not me, Christ cleared it up.
Right - he never promised himself as a warrior king.
Your god, promised to send a messiah, it never promised to come it's self.
Same difference, dummy.
So who promised himself?
God.
Chapter and verse; If you would be so kind.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:50:22 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:54:29 +0100, "Mary Walker" <mw@mary.com> wrote:
"Razor 616" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:0ne8b1hfkglpljkjab3p3n8na6sl99feaq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:59:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
..............Jesus Christ
Who nobody can prove truly existed, and did absolutely *nothing*...
right.
--
No, no. There is lots of historical evidence that he existed (even more
since the findings of the dead sea scrolls) but he only existed as a MAN,
not as a divine being (who is a gateway to heaven as many looney Christians
like to believe).
Bullshite.
There is much evidence for people called Jesus, but none, that one of them was
your's.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:24:06 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:50:22 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Bullshite.
There is much evidence for people called Jesus, but none, that one of them was
your's.
How do you know? Remember, the atheist is totally ignorant of the beliefs of
the Christian.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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20 Jun 2005 08:54:06 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:24:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
How do you know? Remember, the atheist is totally ignorant of the beliefs of
the Christian.
And you said that you never lied on the NGs
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| Title: Re: Poll: the greatest man ever is............. |
21 Jun 2005 05:47:17 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:54:06 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:24:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
How do you know? Remember, the atheist is totally ignorant of the beliefs of
the Christian.
And you said that you never lied on the NGs
And still true to this very day.
duke
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