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User:	"Gaias Avenger poki_pongo at yahoo dot com"
Date:	18 Dec 2004 08:03:36 AM
Object:	POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.
The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.
The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government
In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims
Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer
ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.
Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.
"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."
The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.
The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.
Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.
James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.
While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.
"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.
According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.
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User: "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton?"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 05:33:49 PM

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
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Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!
.

User: "Libertarius"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 06:57:21 PM

How Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton? wrote:

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com...

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!

===>Many of the same people believe the old Pauline lie that
"Christ" will appear and take them up to "heaven" in their lifetime.
(Then, when they die, they will say the same thing for the
next generation, etc.. It's been going on for nearly 20 centuries.
For a while it was the Jews, now it is the Muslims.) -- L.
.

User: "j w"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 06:26:07 PM

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:33:49 +1000, "How Do You Solve A Problem Like
Clayton?" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKfonyemail.com> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com...

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.
The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every President
in office since Jimmy Carter.
And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal security,
that does not mean the rest of us are not.
I personally know Muslims-- men who live in my own building-- who
believe in Jihad. They totally believe that -- "when the time comes"
-- they will be called upon to kill
1. Americans
2. Christians
3. anyone else who refuses to "convert".
And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.
And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.
What your group MAY NOT be aware of is the fact that the system is
already in place to make EVERYONE in America be vetted thoroughly for
a new American/World ID system, which will exclude anyone with
"suspicious background."
That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And the
Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."
You really ought to inform yourself.
jw

User: ""
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 01:51:28 AM

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

True, it is not. President Clinton is considered a moderate by most of
the world.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every

President

in office since Jimmy Carter.

Them, and the Muslims and the Jews and the Atheists and the Wiccans...
all proportionate to their respective religions. Most folks are smart
enough to know, of course, that none of these vote as a monolithic
block. This last time, for instance, 1 of 3 Christians who voted,
voted for Kerry.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal

security,
that does not mean the rest of us are not.
Ah. And you express this by... invading countries who were not
attacking us, alienating our allies, and overextending the military?

I personally know Muslims-- men who live in my own building-- who
believe in Jihad. They totally believe that -- "when the time comes"
-- they will be called upon to kill
1. Americans
2. Christians
3. anyone else who refuses to "convert".

Are we to believe that they told you this?
I know there are Christians - in my own family - who are prepared to
kill atheists if "called by God".
Which group should worry me more?

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Yes. I'm also grateful that he has not tortured my daughter to death.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

I'm sure as little as posssible will be said about it.

What your group MAY NOT be aware of is the fact that the system is
already in place to make EVERYONE in America be vetted thoroughly for
a new American/World ID system, which will exclude anyone with
"suspicious background."

Our fellow citizens will support this, for it will speed up the airport
lines considerably.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And

the

Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

Ummmm... the Mark of the Beast was a tatoo on the hand or forehead. I
was raised on the bible, fed it for breakfast, and there is no
reference to microchips *anywhere in it. You guys really like to
interpret the bible to death, don't you?

You really ought to inform yourself.

You mispelled "delude".

Kermit
.

User: "Stephen Bayzik"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 04:21:08 PM

Sounds like Charlemagne's Franks converting the Arian Christians as well as
other groups to Orthodox Christianity - to the Baptismal font or sword.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Bush and Chaney are war criminals. Remember my zealous Yankee chauvinist -
despite bringing the world to catastrophe, China and Russia are capable of
taking the United States off the map.
What's the difference between crude terrorist and a sophisticated one?
Your attitude toward the Muslims is like to one who places the nails in the
hand of the Christ.
--
Stephen Bayzik
.

User: "j w"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 12:37:56 AM

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:21:08 -0500, "Stephen Bayzik"
<stephen.bayzik@sympatico.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

I personally know Muslims-- men who live in my own building-- who

believe in Jihad. They totally believe that -- "when the time comes"
-- they will be called upon to kill
1. Americans
2. Christians
3. anyone else who refuses to "convert".

Sounds like Charlemagne's Franks converting the Arian Christians as well as
other groups to Orthodox Christianity - to the Baptismal font or sword.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Bush and Chaney are war criminals.

Rubbish. We invaded Iraq in self-defense. And we HAVE now found WMD.
The war criminal is Saddam Hussein, who signed a peace treaty to end
the Gulf War, and then refused to abide by it for 10 years. When the
UN REFUSED to act on their own articles against Saddam's regime
(because Saddam paid them all off), America was forced to act
unilaterally. ) And if you don't like it, perhaps you'd prefer to
live in Iraq.
Remember my zealous Yankee chauvinist -

despite bringing the world to catastrophe, China and Russia are capable of
taking the United States off the map.

And vice versa, gnome.

What's the difference between crude terrorist and a sophisticated one?

Depends on who you are referring to. Until we liberated Iraq, women
were beaten to death in the street merely for going outside their
front door. Women were not allowed to work or even go to school. And
there were no schools for the children, either.
There are now schools for the children, and Iraqi professional women
are back to work for the first time since your hero Saddam took over.
Iraqi women are also now permitted to go to school.

Your attitude toward the Muslims is like to one who places the nails in the
hand of the Christ.

I know a number of Muslims, and several of them believe totally in
Jihad, that is, they are waiting for "the word" from their higher-ups
to begin murdering Americans AND Christians. A former Muslim "buddy"
in my building told me recently TO MY FACE that the day would come
when he'd have to kill me if I refused to become a Muslim.
You should have seen the look on his face when I told him I might have
to kill him first.
jw
.

User: "Stephen Bayzik"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 09:07:23 PM

"j w @yahoo.com>" <j_w<no> wrote in message
news:4fscs0pk9balqqpaeok5lb01i4bngnia3h@4ax.com...

Sounds like Charlemagne's Franks converting the Arian Christians as well
as
other groups to Orthodox Christianity - to the Baptismal font or sword.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Bush and Chaney are war criminals.

Rubbish. We invaded Iraq in self-defense. And we HAVE now found WMD.

What have got that needed "self defence"?
The only WMD is the United States' Military Industrial Complex.

The war criminal is Saddam Hussein, who signed a peace treaty to end
the Gulf War, and then refused to abide by it for 10 years. When the
UN REFUSED to act on their own articles against Saddam's regime
(because Saddam paid them all off), America was forced to act
unilaterally. ) And if you don't like it, perhaps you'd prefer to
live in Iraq.

I don't need to, I don't live in the Excited States of America nor would I
ever wish to. Remember my fumbling baboon, there are more "Americans" in the
western hemisphere than in your so called Great Republic.

Remember my zealous Yankee chauvinist -

despite bringing the world to catastrophe, China and Russia are capable of
taking the United States off the map.

And vice versa, gnome.

Of course, but why do you insist upon fighting the little kids in the
neighbourhood - rather than some of the bigger boys? Reminds me of a joke,
"why do they bury Yankees in a matchbox after cremation - because that is
all that is left after the ***** is removed.".

What's the difference between crude terrorist and a sophisticated one?

After reading your comments I believe your public schools have some serious
problems. And as to "westernized females", I just speculate if their Patron
Saint is Mary Magdalene, rather than Betsy Ross..

There are now schools for the children, and Iraqi professional women
are back to work for the first time since your hero Saddam took over.
Iraqi women are also now permitted to go to school.

Really?

Your attitude toward the Muslims is like to one who places the nails in
the
hand of the Christ.

You mean Kill a Infidel for Christ. :-)
.

User: "Al Klein"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 11:37:12 PM

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:07:23 -0500, "Stephen Bayzik"
<stephen.bayzik@sympatico.ca> said in alt.atheism:

"j w @yahoo.com>" <j_w<no> wrote in message
news:4fscs0pk9balqqpaeok5lb01i4bngnia3h@4ax.com...

What's the difference between crude terrorist and a sophisticated one?

There are now schools for the children, and Iraqi professional women
are back to work for the first time since your hero Saddam took over.
Iraqi women are also now permitted to go to school.

Really?

Typical. He's confusing Iraq under Hussein with Afghanistan under the
Taliban.

You should have seen the look on his face when I told him I might have
to kill him first.

You mean Kill a Infidel for Christ. :-)

Oh, no - a Christian killing a Moslem is totally different than a
Moslem killing a Christian. (Don't ask ME why - ask a Christian. :) )
--
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.

User: "Stephen Bayzik"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	21 Dec 2004 12:19:10 AM

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2gdfs0hdgb5m4t4rpupodp1d67eunsq2ro@4ax.com...

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:07:23 -0500, "Stephen Bayzik"
<stephen.bayzik@sympatico.ca> said in alt.atheism:
Typical. He's confusing Iraq under Hussein with Afghanistan under the
Taliban.

That seems quite obvious. Thanks for your confirmation Al.

You should have seen the look on his face when I told him I might have
to kill him first.

You mean Kill a Infidel for Christ. :-)

Oh, no - a Christian killing a Moslem is totally different than a
Moslem killing a Christian. (Don't ask ME why - ask a Christian. :) )

Good one. I seem to have an aversion to people who run around saying "I'm a
Christian, I'm a Christian alleluia, gawd damn that makes me feel great".
Almost the same feeling as feeling warm after wetting your pants.
Take care.
--
Stephen Bayzik
.

User: "Lord Calvert"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 01:05:54 AM

You're talking about Saudi Arabia, not Iraq here.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Those who have loved God most have loved men least." -- Colonel Robert Green
Ingersoll, 1881
.

User: "Clayton...Full Metal Jackass"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 01:20:30 AM

"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.compost> wrote in message
news:20041220020554.06403.00001531@mb-m22.aol.com...

You're talking about Saudi Arabia, not Iraq here.

All activity still sanctioned by a nation just as bad as Taliban occupied
Afghanistan but still praised and supported by Bush and co.
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 02:56:04 PM

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:37:56 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:21:08 -0500, "Stephen Bayzik"
<stephen.bayzik@sympatico.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

I personally know Muslims-- men who live in my own building-- who

believe in Jihad. They totally believe that -- "when the time comes"
-- they will be called upon to kill
1. Americans
2. Christians
3. anyone else who refuses to "convert".

Sounds like Charlemagne's Franks converting the Arian Christians as well as
other groups to Orthodox Christianity - to the Baptismal font or sword.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Bush and Chaney are war criminals.

Rubbish. We invaded Iraq in self-defense.

(laughter) Still stuck in that spider-hole of ignorance I see.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 09:50:06 PM

On 18 Dec 2004 23:51:28 -0800,

wrote:

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

True, it is not. President Clinton is considered a moderate by most of
the world.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every

President

in office since Jimmy Carter.

Them, and the Muslims and the Jews and the Atheists and the Wiccans...
all proportionate to their respective religions.

Atheism isn't a religion.

Most folks are smart
enough to know, of course, that none of these vote as a monolithic
block. This last time, for instance, 1 of 3 Christians who voted,
voted for Kerry.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal
security, that does not mean the rest of us are not.

Ah. And you express this by... invading countries who were not
attacking us, alienating our allies, and overextending the military?

Evidentally, weakening security is strengthening it.

Are we to believe that they told you this?
I know there are Christians - in my own family - who are prepared to
kill atheists if "called by God".

Which group should worry me more?

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Yes. I'm also grateful that he has not tortured my daughter to death.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

I'm sure as little as posssible will be said about it.

Our fellow citizens will support this, for it will speed up the airport
lines considerably.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And

the

Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

Too bad they can't be bothered to follow the Ten Commandments they're
always drooling about or practice the 'compassion and love'
aspect-unless they're out raping other countries.

You really ought to inform yourself.

You mispelled "delude".

Indeed.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "j w"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 12:52:26 AM

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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:50:06 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

On 18 Dec 2004 23:51:28 -0800,

wrote:

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

True, it is not. President Clinton is considered a moderate by most of
the world.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every

President

in office since Jimmy Carter.

Them, and the Muslims and the Jews and the Atheists and the Wiccans...
all proportionate to their respective religions.

Atheism isn't a religion.

Most folks are smart
enough to know, of course, that none of these vote as a monolithic
block. This last time, for instance, 1 of 3 Christians who voted,
voted for Kerry.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal
security, that does not mean the rest of us are not.

Ah. And you express this by... invading countries who were not
attacking us, alienating our allies, and overextending the military?

Evidentally, weakening security is strengthening it.

Are we to believe that they told you this?
I know there are Christians - in my own family - who are prepared to
kill atheists if "called by God".

Which group should worry me more?

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Yes. I'm also grateful that he has not tortured my daughter to death.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

I'm sure as little as posssible will be said about it.

Our fellow citizens will support this, for it will speed up the airport
lines considerably.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And

the

Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

Ummmm... the Mark of the Beast was a tatoo on the hand or forehead.

I am a Bible student. I've been studying it for 50 years now. And
there is no mention of a "tattoo" on the hand or forehead. The text
says a "mark."
I

was raised on the bible, fed it for breakfast, and there is no
reference to microchips *anywhere in it.

And if you were Daniel in the 6th or 7th C BC, or John in the 1st C
AD, how would YOU have described seeing a microchip in someone's hand?
In 1st C AD terms?
You guys really like to

interpret the bible to death, don't you?

Ditto.
And kindly post the verse about the "tattoo" on the hand or forehead.
I need a good laugh.

Too bad they can't be bothered to follow the Ten Commandments they're
always drooling about or practice the 'compassion and love'
aspect-unless they're out raping other countries.

I guess in your self-righteous arrogance, you have neglected the
instructions in the Bible to "defend the weak and defenseless", which
would include the Iraqi women and children Saddam enjoyed butchering
and torturing for 10 years.
But that's outside America's borders, so who gives a damn? Right?
Certainly not YOU!!!
AGAIN, if you hate America so much, suppose you move to Iraq?
jw
snip

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 02:58:39 PM

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:52:26 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:50:06 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

On 18 Dec 2004 23:51:28 -0800,

wrote:

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

True, it is not. President Clinton is considered a moderate by most of
the world.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every

President

in office since Jimmy Carter.

Them, and the Muslims and the Jews and the Atheists and the Wiccans...
all proportionate to their respective religions.

Atheism isn't a religion.

Most folks are smart
enough to know, of course, that none of these vote as a monolithic
block. This last time, for instance, 1 of 3 Christians who voted,
voted for Kerry.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal
security, that does not mean the rest of us are not.

Ah. And you express this by... invading countries who were not
attacking us, alienating our allies, and overextending the military?

Evidentally, weakening security is strengthening it.

Are we to believe that they told you this?
I know there are Christians - in my own family - who are prepared to
kill atheists if "called by God".

Which group should worry me more?

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Yes. I'm also grateful that he has not tortured my daughter to death.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

I'm sure as little as posssible will be said about it.

Our fellow citizens will support this, for it will speed up the airport
lines considerably.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And

the

Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

Ummmm... the Mark of the Beast was a tatoo on the hand or forehead.

I am a Bible student. I've been studying it for 50 years now. And
there is no mention of a "tattoo" on the hand or forehead. The text
says a "mark."
I

was raised on the bible, fed it for breakfast, and there is no
reference to microchips *anywhere in it.

And if you were Daniel in the 6th or 7th C BC, or John in the 1st C
AD, how would YOU have described seeing a microchip in someone's hand?
In 1st C AD terms?

You guys really like to

interpret the bible to death, don't you?

Ditto.

And kindly post the verse about the "tattoo" on the hand or forehead.

I need a good laugh.

Too bad they can't be bothered to follow the Ten Commandments they're
always drooling about or practice the 'compassion and love'
aspect-unless they're out raping other countries.

I guess in your self-righteous arrogance, you have neglected the
instructions in the Bible to "defend the weak and defenseless", which
would include the Iraqi women and children Saddam enjoyed butchering
and torturing for 10 years.

But that's outside America's borders, so who gives a damn? Right?

Certainly not YOU!!!

AGAIN, if you hate America so much, suppose you move to Iraq?

You *are* a fucking idiot. Bye bye, brainless one.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "j w"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 05:07:04 PM

x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:58:39 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:52:26 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:50:06 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)

On 18 Dec 2004 23:51:28 -0800,

wrote:

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

True, it is not. President Clinton is considered a moderate by most of
the world.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every

President

in office since Jimmy Carter.

Them, and the Muslims and the Jews and the Atheists and the Wiccans...
all proportionate to their respective religions.

Atheism isn't a religion.

Most folks are smart
enough to know, of course, that none of these vote as a monolithic
block. This last time, for instance, 1 of 3 Christians who voted,
voted for Kerry.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal
security, that does not mean the rest of us are not.

Ah. And you express this by... invading countries who were not
attacking us, alienating our allies, and overextending the military?

Evidentally, weakening security is strengthening it.

Are we to believe that they told you this?
I know there are Christians - in my own family - who are prepared to
kill atheists if "called by God".

Which group should worry me more?

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Yes. I'm also grateful that he has not tortured my daughter to death.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

I'm sure as little as posssible will be said about it.

Our fellow citizens will support this, for it will speed up the airport
lines considerably.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And

the

Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

Ummmm... the Mark of the Beast was a tatoo on the hand or forehead.

I am a Bible student. I've been studying it for 50 years now. And
there is no mention of a "tattoo" on the hand or forehead. The text
says a "mark."
I

was raised on the bible, fed it for breakfast, and there is no
reference to microchips *anywhere in it.

And if you were Daniel in the 6th or 7th C BC, or John in the 1st C
AD, how would YOU have described seeing a microchip in someone's hand?
In 1st C AD terms?

You guys really like to

interpret the bible to death, don't you?

Ditto.

And kindly post the verse about the "tattoo" on the hand or forehead.

I need a good laugh.

Too bad they can't be bothered to follow the Ten Commandments they're
always drooling about or practice the 'compassion and love'
aspect-unless they're out raping other countries.

I guess in your self-righteous arrogance, you have neglected the
instructions in the Bible to "defend the weak and defenseless", which
would include the Iraqi women and children Saddam enjoyed butchering
and torturing for 10 years.

But that's outside America's borders, so who gives a damn? Right?

Certainly not YOU!!!

AGAIN, if you hate America so much, suppose you move to Iraq?

You *are* a fucking idiot. Bye bye, brainless one.

You stick up your middle finger as your rebuttal? And you call ME
brainless?
LOL!!!!
jw
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 09:46:55 PM

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:26:07 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com...

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!

Christians are this mindless, as well.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Why not? He's abused everything else since he first assumed his
stolen office.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

Not yet, or Krystalnicht hasn't occurred yet.

Which includes anyone native born the American Talibans running the
country don't like.

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And the
Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

You really ought to inform yourself.

We have, and are watching closely.
"America-Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" vanished long ago due
to vapid cowardice.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "j w"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 12:46:39 AM

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:26:07 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com...

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!

Christians are this mindless, as well.

That is a truly absurd remark, hater. I'll match IQs with you ANY day.

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

Why not? He's abused everything else since he first assumed his
stolen office.

Rubbish! And he didn't "steal " ANYTHING. We had a constitutional
election. When the results were indeterminate, the election went to
the US Supreme Court, AS PROVIDED FOR BY THE US CONSTITUTION. That had
never happened before (IF you are interested in the FACTS, which I
HIGHLY doubt!)
The US Supreme Court ruled that "there were no constitutional issues
involved, since Florida law was being followed." End of story.
Florida's government determined that the hand recount could not be
completed by the federal deadline. Therefore, Florida's officials
stopped the recount-- as was/is LEGAL in Florida, and George W Bush
won.
You also evidently missed the International Media recount, done some 6
months after our election of 2000 (one would think you'd get over it
after 5 years and 2 elections/ SORE LOSER! LOSER!!!).
The International Media recount (IMR), done to find out who actually
DID win. The IMR determined that GWB DID win Florida, and that he also
won every other contested state (13). IOW, in spite of the ridiculous
Left Wing rhetoric, and AlGore's sour grapes, Bush won BOTH the
popular election AND the Electoral college.
Live with it, hater!

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

Not yet, or Krystalnicht hasn't occurred yet.

Like I said, all that IS within his power as Commander In Chief. So if
you don't like it, suppose you move to Iraq! I'm sure you'd be MUCH
happier dodging the car bombs and roadside bombs and suicide bombers
who hate anyone with white skin.

Which includes anyone native born the American Talibans running the
country don't like.

You are obviously a brain dead hater, Al Quaeda.

We have, and are watching closely.

"America-Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" vanished long ago due
to vapid cowardice.

You mean Yours. How DARE you call our fighting forces in harm's way
cowards!
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 07:35:42 PM

j w <j_w wrote:

"Gaia's Avenger" <poki_pongo at yahoo dot com> wrote in message
news:sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com...

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

Kind of explains that whole "Bush re-elected" thing, doesn't it!

As Mike Moore so eloquently put it, what explains that whole "Bush
re-elected" thing is that he got more votes than the other guy.
America is not NEARLY as liberal as some would like.

The FACT is very simply. America's Christians have put every President
in office since Jimmy Carter.

And if some of you aren't concerned about America's internal security,
that does not mean the rest of us are not.

I personally know Muslims-- men who live in my own building-- who
believe in Jihad. They totally believe that -- "when the time comes"
-- they will be called upon to kill
1. Americans
2. Christians
3. anyone else who refuses to "convert".

And they OUGHT to be glad that President Bush has not seen fit to
declare Martial Law yet. That IS within his powers.

And I don't hear anything about all Muslims being incarcerated, as
happened during WWII.

What your group MAY NOT be aware of is the fact that the system is
already in place to make EVERYONE in America be vetted thoroughly for
a new American/World ID system, which will exclude anyone with
"suspicious background."

That would be what we Christians call "The Mark of the Beast." And the
Mark of the Beast technology already exists and is ready for use. For
animals, it's called the Digital Angel. For humans, it's called "The
VeriChip."

You really ought to inform yourself.

Yip..I got it...the Muslims are as fucking stupid as the Christians.
You could have at least told me something I didn't know.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
.

User: "Tink"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 10:11:09 AM

Gaia's Avenger wrote:

Stupid, pig-headed Nazis have taken over America.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

Fri Dec 17, 2004

By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S.
government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans,
according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans
and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt
to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or
people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to
television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support
limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable,"
said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society.
"The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just
have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."

The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the
civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said
liberties should not be restricted in any way.

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify
potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents
should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep
tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide
telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6
percentage points.

James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped
organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued
dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.

While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of
support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the
correlation with religion and exposure to television news.

"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse
may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.

According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the
United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar
poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90
percent.

___

On the Net:

Cornell University:
www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec04/Muslim.Poll.bpf.html

Muslim American Society: www.masnet.org
+

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by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html

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/Sarcasm
Yeah, and they should be required to wear a yellow star in crescent at
all times too.
/sarcasm
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 08:55:56 AM

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all
Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"
Camps.
For their own protection of *course...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton?"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 05:35:17 PM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:tZCdnRlZnZWw2VncRVn-jw@megapath.net...

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all
Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal

government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"

Camps.

For their own protection of *course...

Remember who else the electorate voted against, MKB...you think they want to
stop at restricting marriage? Where would you like your number tattoo?
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	18 Dec 2004 05:45:38 PM

In our last episode <41c4bedb$0$6541$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, How
Do You Solve A Problem Like Clayton? lept out of the bushes shouting:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:tZCdnRlZnZWw2VncRVn-jw@megapath.net...

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal

government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"

Camps.

For their own protection of *course...

Remember who else the electorate voted against, MKB...you think they want
to stop at restricting marriage? Where would you like your number tattoo?

<snork>
Like they'd give *us as much as a camp. We're talking express lane to the
showers.
That's okay. If it came to *that, I'm takin' a *bunch of them with me...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	19 Dec 2004 09:41:28 PM

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:55:56 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all
Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"

Camps.

For their own protection of *course...

Re-education and elimination. Krystalnicht is returning.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 06:53:04 AM

In our last episode <ceics09e5qhtjcinqo1ps4ombgii163f61@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:55:56 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"

Camps.

For their own protection of *course...

Re-education and elimination. Krystalnicht is returning.

It was never that far away. Ask any Japanese-American...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: POLL: ."Christians" Say Restrict Muslims, Require them to register	20 Dec 2004 02:54:25 PM

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:53:04 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <ceics09e5qhtjcinqo1ps4ombgii163f61@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:55:56 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <sud8s0pju3tht3tldnp5004a9lqml0oahj@4ax.com>, Gaia's
Avenger lept out of the bushes shouting:

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring
all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal
government

Uh huh. Know what comes after "registration?"

Camps.

For their own protection of *course...

Re-education and elimination. Krystalnicht is returning.

It was never that far away. Ask any Japanese-American...

I know. Too bad courage and integrity is in such short supply.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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