Religions > Atheism > Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education
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08 May 2007 11:33:13 AM |
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Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
A new survey shows the majority of parents across the U.S., regardless
of their economic or ethnic background, support abstinence education
over comprehensive sex education. The National Abstinence Education
Association is touting a new Zogby International poll that shows
American parents favor abstinence education over comprehensive sex
education by a two-to-one margin.
The National Abstinence Education Association (NAEA) is drawing
attention to the Zobgy survey, which claims when parents become aware
of what abstinence education teaches versus what comprehensive sex
education teaches, support for abstinence programs jumps from 40
percent to 60 percent, while support for condom-based "safe-sex"
programs drops from 50 percent to 30 percent.
NAEA executive director Valerie Huber says she is convinced there has
been a "misinformation campaign" about abstinence education throughout
the media.
"Once parents understood that abstinence education is really holistic
and includes some of the core components, such as building healthy
relationships, strengthening self-control, developing skills that will
improve their chances for a healthy future marriage, and even the
benefits of choosing abstinence after being sexually active," Huber
notes, "parents want that message given to their teens."
The NAEA official says she hopes the results of the Zogby poll will
inform the debate in state legislatures and Congress over funding for
sex education in schools. "Most parents do reject the so-called
'comprehensive' sex education approach because it promotes and
demonstrates condom use," she asserts. "They think it sends a mixed
message and it crosses the line to actually encourage sexual
activity."
Two out of three parents indicate that the mixed message of
comprehensive sex education "is not something that they want their
children to receive," Huber points out. She says most parents want
their kids to hear a strong abstinence message and, if there is a
discussion of contraception, that it should detail the "realistic
limitations" of condoms and other contraceptives in preventing
pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
08 May 2007 10:16:06 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
A new survey shows the majority of parents across the U.S., regardless
of their economic or ethnic background, support abstinence education
over comprehensive sex education.
Tell every gay and abortionist traitor that the public schools are REQUIRED
BY LAW to teach the children what the parents want taught, and to take their
criminal agenda back to the closet where it came from.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
08 May 2007 11:19:51 PM |
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On 9 Mai, 05:16, "John D. Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
A new survey shows the majority of parents across the U.S., regardless
of their economic or ethnic background, support abstinence education
over comprehensive sex education.
Tell every gay and abortionist traitor that the public schools are REQUIRED
BY LAW to teach the children what the parents want taught,
Not at all. Education isn't a popularity contest.
Besides, there are no "abortionists".
and to take their
criminal agenda back to the closet where it came from
What's wrong with a proper sexual education course?
Why do countries with a more liberal attitude toward sexuality have
much lower teen pregnancy and teen abortion rates?
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
08 May 2007 10:47:37 PM |
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On May 8, 11:16 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
A new survey shows the majority of parents across the U.S., regardless
of their economic or ethnic background, support abstinence education
over comprehensive sex education.
Tell every gay and abortionist traitor that the public schools are REQUIRED
BY LAW to teach the children what the parents want taught, and to take their
criminal agenda back to the closet where it came from.
How can people that do not exist except in your imagination be told
anything? And why should anyone lie just because you demand it? And
how can people take something that exist only in your imagination
anywhere?
There are no traitors in the public schools. Teachers and
administrators in public schools generally do not have the
inclination, resources, or opportunities to become traitors.
The state sets what is required by law to be taught, and in most
cases, the parents have little to no say in the matter. Remember,
every parent has their own ideas about what their children should be
taught and should not be taught, and public schools do not have the
time, money, or resources to completely individualize teaching to the
degree that you are ignorantly suggesting. Therefore, the state
creates its requirements according to federal law and by what is best
for the greatest number of students, with enough room built in to
handle the exceptionally bright and talented as well the the below
average students, as well as to handle special religious and personal
beliefs of the parents to a degree.
And that "criminal agenda" only exists in you imagination.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "dh" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
08 May 2007 06:54:21 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Then they should teach their children that. I wish them well. I also hope
they adjust to life with grandchildren in the house while their teen mother
is still in high school. If their teen mother stays in high school.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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08 May 2007 07:04:18 PM |
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In News 46410197$0$16385$88260bb3@free.teranews.com,, dh at dh@stargate.com,
typed this:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Then they should teach their children that. I wish them well. I
also hope they adjust to life with grandchildren in the house while
their teen mother is still in high school. If their teen mother
stays in high school.
The funny part is that these idiots need a poll to tell them that parents
back abstinence. Of course they back abstinence, but is it reality? Not
likely.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
08 May 2007 12:13:14 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Gosh, why don't we start a "Just say no!" campaign directed at drugs! That
would eliminate the drug problem overnight!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "LC" |
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08 May 2007 11:51:14 AM |
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Abstinent by popular demand, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message news:1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Give the people what they want,
....although proven in numerous studies to not work?
Kind of a waste of taxpayer money, yes?
"After a 10-year run, federally funded "abstinence-only" education faces a
reversal of fortunes this year.
Two recent studies -- one that found federally funded abstinence
programs do not affect teenage sexual behavior and another that found that
"almost all" American adults have sex before marrying -- are adding momentum
to the argument that abstinence-only education is folly."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070423-124133-8231r.htm
education tempered with morals and decency.
This, from a loon in possession of neither trait.
"I ain't a Jesus freak... I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
Abstinence when practiced works.
Therein lies the rub, IBen.
"Teenagers who take virginity pledges -- public declarations to abstain from
sex -- are almost as likely to be infected with a sexually transmitted
disease as those who never made the pledge, an eight-year study released
yesterday found."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48509-2005Mar18.html
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| User: "Hatter" |
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08 May 2007 12:12:57 PM |
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On May 8, 12:51 pm, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Abstinence when practiced works.
Therein lies the rub, IBen.
"Teenagers who take virginity pledges -- public declarations to abstain from
sex -- are almost as likely to be infected with a sexually transmitted
disease as those who never made the pledge, an eight-year study released
yesterday found."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48509-2005Mar18.html
Yeah teenagers and abstinence only education. It is like handing out
Maseratis to teenagers but not included seatbelts because you told
them not to take it over 10 miles per hour.
Hatter
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 May 2007 12:02:38 PM |
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In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
Incidentally, interested a.a'ers should go and look at
the poll itself. It's a hoot. The basic format
of most questions is something like "Would you like
your kids to be educated acccording to the good,
just, decent, and right principles of abstinence,
or would you like your children to be exposed to
Satan's plan of comprehensive sex education?"
I exaggerate, of course. But the wording of the questions
is without a doubt biased. Check it out for yourself.
That said, lessee here:
Question 3: Would you rather your child be educated in the classroom
in Comprehensive Sex Educatin courses, or in Abstinence Education
courses?
Comprehensive Sex Education: 49.9
Abstinence Education 39.9
Did you actually READ this thing, `J'?
Question 14: Do you (level of agreement) that learning to correctly use
contraceptives, including condoms, is best for your
child's health and future?
Strongly Agree 56.9
Some Agreement 21.4
Some Disagreement 7.3
Strongly Disagree 12.5
Did you actually READ the thing, `J'?
Yes, I'm cherrypicking. But the fact that it was so easy to
do so tells you something about the poll, doesn't it?
-- cary
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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08 May 2007 01:16:04 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1qafe$kl4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
[snip]
OneNewsNow is the old Agape Press.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/faq.php#02
New name, same old dimwitted fundie propaganda.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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08 May 2007 07:35:02 PM |
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
OneNewsNow is the old Agape Press.
They got rid of the love?
Hmm... Shoulda seen that coming.
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they run out of enemies, they have to find a new enemy or invent one, because without
something to hate, they will lose their appeal.
-- Kenneth Chafin, Oct 2, 1994 - former pastor of Walnut Street Baptist Church in
Louisville and former professor of evangelism and preaching at Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 May 2007 11:51:46 AM |
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In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
-- cary
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/poll_says_parents_overwhelming.php
A new survey shows the majority of parents across the U.S., regardless
of their economic or ethnic background, support abstinence education
over comprehensive sex education. The National Abstinence Education
Association is touting a new Zogby International poll that shows
American parents favor abstinence education over comprehensive sex
education by a two-to-one margin.
The National Abstinence Education Association (NAEA) is drawing
attention to the Zobgy survey, which claims when parents become aware
of what abstinence education teaches versus what comprehensive sex
education teaches, support for abstinence programs jumps from 40
percent to 60 percent, while support for condom-based "safe-sex"
programs drops from 50 percent to 30 percent.
NAEA executive director Valerie Huber says she is convinced there has
been a "misinformation campaign" about abstinence education throughout
the media.
"Once parents understood that abstinence education is really holistic
and includes some of the core components, such as building healthy
relationships, strengthening self-control, developing skills that will
improve their chances for a healthy future marriage, and even the
benefits of choosing abstinence after being sexually active," Huber
notes, "parents want that message given to their teens."
The NAEA official says she hopes the results of the Zogby poll will
inform the debate in state legislatures and Congress over funding for
sex education in schools. "Most parents do reject the so-called
'comprehensive' sex education approach because it promotes and
demonstrates condom use," she asserts. "They think it sends a mixed
message and it crosses the line to actually encourage sexual
activity."
Two out of three parents indicate that the mixed message of
comprehensive sex education "is not something that they want their
children to receive," Huber points out. She says most parents want
their kids to hear a strong abstinence message and, if there is a
discussion of contraception, that it should detail the "realistic
limitations" of condoms and other contraceptives in preventing
pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 May 2007 12:05:34 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 May 2007 12:19:32 PM |
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In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=28813
-- cary
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 May 2007 12:31:09 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> J
Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals and
decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's our
youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing up.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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09 May 2007 12:31:15 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and other
factors were different.
It wasn't until the late 60's that people started openly expressing
themselves, becoming more adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an
issue.
Hmmm:
STDs:
1950 341.52 per 100,000
1960 215.12 per 100,000
1970 343.18 per 100,000
1980 485.91 per 100,000
1990 333.44 per 100,000
1999 400.52 per 100,000
Pretty much seems to bounce around a median value which
doesn't move all that much. Given that there is a great
deal more public awareness and testing than there was
when I was a kid, I'd say that things haven't really
changed too much.
(source: CDC publication which, sadly,seems to have been moved,
it was at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hus/tables/2001/01hus052.pdf)
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be responsible
any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
And we still, just look the other way.
No, it wasn't the same in our parents and grandparents day. It's worse
today.
If you wish to turn your head and pretend it isn't happening, that's on you.
I support the teaching of abstinence, as well as all methods of
contraception. I support teaching children that "hooking" up is dangerous,
and having multiple partners is dangerous and could cost them their lives.
I don't turn my head.
I won't disagree with any of that.
-- cary
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| User: "Osprey" |
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09 May 2007 10:51:02 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns992AC602D2A98255229X.133.1.4...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1qbf4$qls$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and other
factors were different.
It wasn't until the late 60's that people started openly expressing
themselves, becoming more adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became
an
issue.
Hmmm:
STDs:
1950 341.52 per 100,000
1960 215.12 per 100,000
1970 343.18 per 100,000
1980 485.91 per 100,000
1990 333.44 per 100,000
1999 400.52 per 100,000
Pretty much seems to bounce around a median value which
doesn't move all that much. Given that there is a great
deal more public awareness and testing than there was
when I was a kid, I'd say that things haven't really
changed too much.
(source: CDC publication which, sadly,seems to have been moved,
it was at
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hus/tables/2001/01hus052.pdf)
Good argument, and I concede to your point.
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible
any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
And we still, just look the other way.
No, it wasn't the same in our parents and grandparents day. It's worse
today.
If you wish to turn your head and pretend it isn't happening, that's on
you.
I support the teaching of abstinence, as well as all methods of
contraception. I support teaching children that "hooking" up is
dangerous,
and having multiple partners is dangerous and could cost them their
lives.
I don't turn my head.
I won't disagree with any of that.
-- cary
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10 May 2007 12:50:18 PM |
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In article <1OudnXDoLpg6C9_bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1t0h3$r3m$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns992AC602D2A98255229X.133.1.4...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
news:3-WdnR3rJKd4Lt3bnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1qbf4$qls$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and other
factors were different.
It wasn't until the late 60's that people started openly expressing
themselves, becoming more adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became
an
issue.
Hmmm:
STDs:
1950 341.52 per 100,000
1960 215.12 per 100,000
1970 343.18 per 100,000
1980 485.91 per 100,000
1990 333.44 per 100,000
1999 400.52 per 100,000
Pretty much seems to bounce around a median value which
doesn't move all that much. Given that there is a great
deal more public awareness and testing than there was
when I was a kid, I'd say that things haven't really
changed too much.
(source: CDC publication which, sadly,seems to have been moved,
it was at
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hus/tables/2001/01hus052.pdf)
Good argument, and I concede to your point.
What? You do WHAT?
Geez, where's the fun in that? :-)
-- cary
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08 May 2007 12:50:49 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing up.
Osprey, you are living in an illusion. The only difference between then
and now is the level of denial regarding what was actually going on.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 May 2007 07:59:02 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87r6pryzgv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing up.
Osprey, you are living in an illusion. The only difference between then
and now is the level of denial regarding what was actually going on.
You are living an illusion then, if you actually believe that.
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| User: "No One" |
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08 May 2007 09:48:06 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87r6pryzgv.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing up.
Osprey, you are living in an illusion. The only difference between then
and now is the level of denial regarding what was actually going on.
You are living an illusion then, if you actually believe that.
That's one of the more ridiculous thing you've said to date. Earth
to Osprey: "Ozzie and Harriet" was TV, not real life.
Why don't you read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports>? In
particular, "Kinsey estimated that approximately 50% of all married
males had some extramarital experience at some time during their
married lives." That's *during* their married lives, not an indication
of how many did it before marriage. Or try reading
<http://www.mclemee.com/id127.html>, where you will read that
"Kinsey's results were startling and unambiguous. People were having
more sex, of more kinds -- and in the process, breaking more taboos
and laws -- than anyone had previously imagined."
Or try <http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=1658&IssueNum=88>,
which has the following quote:
"In America, sex is an obsession; in other parts of the world,
it is a fact." -- Marlene Dietrich
My guess is the Marlene Dietrich knew a lot more about what was going
on at the time than you do.
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08 May 2007 09:25:31 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
news:3-WdnR3rJKd4Lt3bnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1qbf4$qls$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem
it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he
may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow
him to make war at pleasure....
If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade
Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him?
You may say to him, "I see no probability of the British invading us,"
but he will say to you, "Be silent; I see it, if you don't."
-- Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 May 2007 09:44:17 PM |
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns992AC602D2A98255229@130.133.1.4...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
news:3-WdnR3rJKd4Lt3bnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1qbf4$qls$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f1q9r2$gkf$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <1178641993.628265.119100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and other
factors were different.
It wasn't until the late 60's that people started openly expressing
themselves, becoming more adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an
issue.
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be responsible
any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
And we still, just look the other way.
No, it wasn't the same in our parents and grandparents day. It's worse
today.
If you wish to turn your head and pretend it isn't happening, that's on you.
I support the teaching of abstinence, as well as all methods of
contraception. I support teaching children that "hooking" up is dangerous,
and having multiple partners is dangerous and could cost them their lives.
I don't turn my head.
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| User: "No One" |
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08 May 2007 11:19:07 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda. BTW, STDs were an
issue for most of Western civilization. After antibiotics were
introduced, we could cure the significant ones so easily that they
became less of an issue temporarily, but that was simply a transient
glitch.
People used condoms less in the 1970s or later 1960s, but that was
primarily due to the "pill".
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
That is shear nonsense. In the 1950s and early 1960s, there was
*no* sex education whatsoever in much of the U.S.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 May 2007 11:25:57 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87wszi39vw.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda.
That statement shows your complete and total disregard for the truth. It
also shows your bigotry.
You did say something about bigotry the other day, right? Why are you a
bigot?
Where did I say anything about left or right in this conversation?
BTW, STDs were an
issue for most of Western civilization.
Where did I say they weren't? Actually answer the questions please. I
think that if you were to answer them, we would find that you are not
actually reading what I am saying.
After antibiotics were
introduced, we could cure the significant ones so easily that they
became less of an issue temporarily, but that was simply a transient
glitch.
People used condoms less in the 1970s or later 1960s, but that was
primarily due to the "pill".
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
That is shear nonsense.
Why? Actually answer the question please.
In the 1950s and early 1960s, there was
*no* sex education whatsoever in much of the U.S.
Where did I say there was? It was probably up to the parents, and most
people expected parents to teach their children. And parents SHOULD.
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09 May 2007 12:18:48 AM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87wszi39vw.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda.
That statement shows your complete and total disregard for the
truth. It also shows your bigotry. You did say something about
bigotry the other day, right? Why are you a bigot? Where did I say
anything about left or right in this conversation?
Osprey, you are simply a liar. I stated you obviously believe the
wingnut propaganda. Well, who do you think has been promoting their
sexual hangups? It's the wingnuts, and you parroted the party
line. It doesn't matter if you said anything about "left or right"
and I didn't comment on that.
BTW, STDs were an
issue for most of Western civilization.
Where did I say they weren't? Actually answer the questions please.
I think that if you were to answer them, we would find that you are
not actually reading what I am saying.
Oh, I read what you were saying and what you were saying was complete
nonsense.
People used condoms less in the 1970s or later 1960s, but that was
primarily due to the "pill".
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
That is shear nonsense.
Why? Actually answer the question please.
Ask anyone in their 60s and you'll probably find that they got *zero*
sex education in school. Meanwhile, try
<http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/>. You'll read that
The California Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS
Prevention Education Act (Education Code [EC] sections
51930-51939), has two primary purposes:
* To provide a pupil with the knowledge and skills
necessary to protect his or her sexual and reproductive
health from unintended pregnancy and STDs;
* To encourage a pupil to develop healthy attitudes
concerning adolescent growth and development, body
image, gender roles, sexual orientation, dating,
marriage, and family.
These sections of the EC address both comprehensive sexual
health education and HIV/AIDS prevention education. The law
requires that HIV/AIDS prevention education is taught once in
middle school and once in high school, and states that if
comprehensive sexual health education is taught, the local
educational agency (LEA) must abide by all tenets of EC
51933. The LEA may not pick and choose topics.
This is all things you should know, and I shouldn't have to look
it up for you. It is something any reasonably informed citizen
should know.
Where did I say there was? It was probably up to the parents, and
most people expected parents to teach their children. And parents
SHOULD.
Whether they "should" doesn't matter. Some don't because they are too
embarassed to talk about it, or simply don't know. That's why we have
it taught in our schools.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
09 May 2007 12:46:57 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:871whqshfr.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:87wszi39vw.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda.
That statement shows your complete and total disregard for the
truth. It also shows your bigotry. You did say something about
bigotry the other day, right? Why are you a bigot? Where did I say
anything about left or right in this conversation?
Osprey, you are simply a liar. I stated you obviously believe the
wingnut propaganda.
Showing you are a bigot. I wanted so badly to say that the other day when
you were calling someone else a bigot, but I figured it would only be a
matter of time when you showed your own bigotry...and I was right on target.
Well, who do you think has been promoting their
sexual hangups? It's the wingnuts, and you parroted the party
line. It doesn't matter if you said anything about "left or right"
and I didn't comment on that.
BTW, STDs were an
issue for most of Western civilization.
Where did I say they weren't? Actually answer the questions please.
I think that if you were to answer them, we would find that you are
not actually reading what I am saying.
Oh, I read what you were saying and what you were saying was complete
nonsense.
As I predicted, you can't answer my question.
Where did I say STD's were not an issue for most of Western civilization???
People used condoms less in the 1970s or later 1960s, but that was
primarily due to the "pill".
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
That is shear nonsense.
Why? Actually answer the question please.
Ask anyone in their 60s and you'll probably find that they got *zero*
sex education in school.
That's not an answer to why it's shear nonsense..especially when I never
said anything about them having or not having sex education in school.
Once again, you have shown I am absolutely correct in my observations about
you.
Meanwhile, try
<http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/>. You'll read that
The California Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS
Prevention Education Act (Education Code [EC] sections
51930-51939), has two primary purposes:
* To provide a pupil with the knowledge and skills
necessary to protect his or her sexual and reproductive
health from unintended pregnancy and STDs;
* To encourage a pupil to develop healthy attitudes
concerning adolescent growth and development, body
image, gender roles, sexual orientation, dating,
marriage, and family.
These sections of the EC address both comprehensive sexual
health education and HIV/AIDS prevention education. The law
requires that HIV/AIDS prevention education is taught once in
middle school and once in high school, and states that if
comprehensive sexual health education is taught, the local
educational agency (LEA) must abide by all tenets of EC
51933. The LEA may not pick and choose topics.
This is all things you should know, and I shouldn't have to look
it up for you. It is something any reasonably informed citizen
should know.
And none of that had to do with anything I was discussing.
Where did I say there was? It was probably up to the parents, and
most people expected parents to teach their children. And parents
SHOULD.
Whether they "should" doesn't matter. Some don't because they are too
embarassed to talk about it, or simply don't know. That's why we have
it taught in our schools.
You didn't answer my question..AGAIN.
Let me know when you are capable of sticking to the issue and discussing the
issue with you allowing your bigotry to interfere and for you to start
trying to distort what was being said.
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09 May 2007 01:35:29 AM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:871whqshfr.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda.
That statement shows your complete and total disregard for the
truth. It also shows your bigotry. You did say something about
bigotry the other day, right? Why are you a bigot? Where did I say
anything about left or right in this conversation?
Osprey, you are simply a liar. I stated you obviously believe the
wingnut propaganda.
Showing you are a bigot. I wanted so badly to say that the other day
when you were calling someone else a bigot, but I figured it would
only be a matter of time when you showed your own bigotry...and I was
right on target.
Rather, you are merely showing that you are a complete and utter idiot.
In case you don't know, "wingnuts" are into politics. People into
politics often put out misleading information to push their particular
agenda. The religious conservatives do that as much as everyone
else, and you were basically parroting their party line, whether
you realized it or not.
Oh, I read what you were saying and what you were saying was complete
nonsense.
As I predicted, you can't answer my question.
Where did I say STD's were not an issue for most of Western civilization???
LOL. You said that STD's just became an issue. The fact is that they've
pretty much always been an issue.
Today, society turns it's head and isn't teaching children to be
responsible any more. STD's and deadly ones at that, are the issue.
That is shear nonsense.
Why? Actually answer the question please.
Ask anyone in their 60s and you'll probably find that they got *zero*
sex education in school.
That's not an answer to why it's shear nonsense..especially when I
never said anything about them having or not having sex education in
school.
It does answer your question. When you previous had zero sex education
and now have it, you claim that "society" is not teaching children to
be responsible is quite obviously bogus.
Once again, you have shown I am absolutely correct in my observations
about you.
Once again, you've proven yourself to be a complete and utter idiot, not
to mention a liar.
Meanwhile, try
<http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/>. You'll read that
The California Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS
Prevention Education Act (Education Code [EC] sections
51930-51939), has two primary purposes:
* To provide a pupil with the knowledge and skills
necessary to protect his or her sexual and reproductive
health from unintended pregnancy and STDs;
* To encourage a pupil to develop healthy attitudes
concerning adolescent growth and development, body
image, gender roles, sexual orientation, dating,
marriage, and family.
These sections of the EC address both comprehensive sexual
health education and HIV/AIDS prevention education. The law
requires that HIV/AIDS prevention education is taught once in
middle school and once in high school, and states that if
comprehensive sexual health education is taught, the local
educational agency (LEA) must abide by all tenets of EC
51933. The LEA may not pick and choose topics.
This is all things you should know, and I shouldn't have to look
it up for you. It is something any reasonably informed citizen
should know.
And none of that had to do with anything I was discussing.
Yes it does. It is not my fault that you are too stupid or pigheaded
to understand it or admit it.
Where did I say there was? It was probably up to the parents, and
most people expected parents to teach their children. And parents
SHOULD.
Whether they "should" doesn't matter. Some don't because they are too
embarassed to talk about it, or simply don't know. That's why we have
it taught in our schools.
You didn't answer my question..AGAIN.
You asked a stupid question and I told you why it was a stupid question.
Let me know when you are capable of sticking to the issue and
discussing the issue with you allowing your bigotry to interfere and
for you to start trying to distort what was being said.
Let me know when you are capable of having an intelligent conservation.
I won't hold my breath waiting.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
09 May 2007 10:59:09 AM |
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Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and
other factors were different. It wasn't until the late 60's that
people started openly expressing themselves, becoming more
adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an issue.
Osprey obviously believes the wingnut propaganda.
That statement shows your complete and total disregard for the truth.
No, it's pretty accurate. You're well-known for parroting right-wing
propaganda.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Poll says parents overwhelmingly back abstinence education |
09 May 2007 12:42:44 AM |
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On 9 mai, 04:44, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote in
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"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <e_KdnUYT_ONDMN3bnZ2dnUVZ_t6qn...@comcast.com> "Osprey"
<NoNeedtok...@mail.com> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <1178641993.628265.119...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
J Young
<youngopini...@aol.com> writes:
Give the people what they want, education tempered with morals
and decency. Abstinence when practiced works.
Hit it right on the head there, `J': "when practiced".
Although on second thought, we'd better define "works".
Since those signing virginity pledges have been shown
to have higher rates of oral and anal intercourse,
and STD rates comparable to those not pretending
to "practice", does that still fit your definition of "works?
Cite? Source? Something to support your statement????
Not a problem:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=
28813
Read your source, what you claim and what it states...two different
things.
Close...but different.
By the way, I support teaching abstinence, as well as other methods of
prevention.
It should all be taught. The problem isn't so much the teaching, it's
our youth's mindset today.
A LOT different than when our parents and grandparents were growing
up.
Nope. They fucked like bunnies too.
Sure, people had sex. But the mind set, attitudes, morals, and other
factors were different.
It wasn't until the late 60's that people started openly expressing
themselves, becoming more adventurous and taking more risk...STD's became an
issue.
You're really naive if you think that STD became in issue only in the
1960s.
People had sex before that period, you know?
As for STD, the problem was WAY bigger in the 19th century and at the
beginning of the 20th century than it is now.
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