Religions > Atheism > Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush?
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20 Jan 2005 08:41:09 AM |
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Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have for US
President:
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http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/DogsOfWar.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne26.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne24.html
Can You Imagine?: Hussein Was Right & Bush Was Wrong
by Harry Browne
You may remember that in 2002, the year before the Iraq War began, the
United Nations Security Council ordered Iraq to produce a report
detailing all of its biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons - past
and present. Iraqi officials complied and produced an 11,800-page
report on Iraq's weapons programs. The report described all the
chemical and biological weapons the country once had - where they
came from and what was done with them - as well as what had happened
to Iraq's nuclear weapons program.
Although the report was prepared for the United Nations, U.S. officials
intercepted the report, edited out 8,000 pages (over two thirds) of it,
and delivered its Reader's Digest version of the report to the UN.
A German reporter managed to obtain a copy of the original report from
Iraq, and then compared it with the truncated copy the U.S. gave to the
UN. He found that the missing parts covered the Iraqis' acquisition of
chemical and biological weapons from the U.S., the delivery of
non-fissionable materials for a nuclear bomb by the U.S. to the Iraqis,
and the training of Iraqi nuclear scientists at U.S. nuclear facilities
in Los Alamos, Sandia, and Berkeley.
The basic points made in the report were:
Iraq once had chemical and biological weapons.
Some of those weapons were destroyed at the end of the Gulf War; the
rest were destroyed under the supervision of the UN weapons inspectors.
Iraq once had a program to develop nuclear weapons.
Some of the nuclear weapons facilities were destroyed at the end of the
Gulf War; the rest were destroyed under the supervision of the UN
weapons inspectors.
UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said the conclusions stated in the
report were basically true - that Iraq no longer had dangerous
weapons.
Colin Powell dismissed the report, calling it a "catalogue of recycled
information and flagrant omissions." Of course, as we now know, the
information was recycled because it happened to be true, and the
omissions were flagrant because U.S. officials had done the omitting.
Hussein said he would be like to bring the UN weapons inspectors back
to Iraq. (They had left for safety reasons in 1998 when President
Clinton resumed air strikes against Iraq.) President Bush called
Hussein's offer a "cynical ploy" and managed to nip any such idea in
the bud.
Hussein also invited the U.S. Congress to send representatives,
accompanied by experts, to inspect any facilities in Iraq that they
wanted. President Bush said this changed nothing, and he managed to
derail the sending of a Congressional delegation.
Over and over, George Bush told us that Saddam Hussein was lying, that
he was dragging his feet, that Iraq had dangerous weapons, that Hussein
was a threat to the whole world,
Now here we are, over two years later. What have we learned?
The hunt for Weapons of Mass Destruction has turned up exactly nothing,
and so the hunt was been called off.
Everything Hussein said about the weapons has turned out to be true.
Everything George Bush said about Iraq's weapons has turned out to be
false.
The Bush administration is trying to sugar-coat the above conclusions
by saying that the recently concluded weapons hunt by Charles Duelfer
and the CIA's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) discovered an "intent" by Hussein
to renew his WMD programs if the U.S. would only stay out of Iraq.
However, Duelfer has provided absolutely no hard evidence of such an
"intent." Once again we're getting firm assertions backed up by
nothing.
Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter has summed it all up very well:
One of the tragic ironies of the decision to invade Iraq is that the
Iraqi WMD declaration required by security council resolution 1441,
submitted by Iraq in December 2002, and summarily rejected by Bush and
Blair as repackaged falsehoods, now stands as the most accurate
compilation of data yet assembled regarding Iraq's WMD programs (more
so than even Duelfer's ISG report, which contains much
unsubstantiated speculation). Saddam Hussein has yet to be contradicted
on a single point of substantive fact. Iraq had disarmed; no one wanted
to accept that conclusion.
In other words, the Butcher of Baghdad was correct; the President of
the United States of America was wrong. The Butcher of Baghdad will be
put on trial for "war crimes." The President of the United States of
America was reelected to "lead" the country for four more years.
It's a sorry state of affairs in America when you can trust the words
of Saddam Hussein more than those of your own President.
January 17, 2005
Harry Browne [send him mail], the author of Why Government Doesn't Work
and many other books, was the Libertarian presidential candidate in
1996 and 2000. See his website.
Copyright =A9 2005 Harry Browne
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
24 Jan 2005 09:05:20 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:43:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote:
<sstevelp@aol.com> wrote in message
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The claim published in The Lancet on Iraqis killed by Bushes war
was a peer reviewed statistical analysis based on accepted statistical
methods.
Just like the 2004 election exit polls that showed Trotskerry the winner.
What a mindless asswipe!
Tend to your gored ox, junior.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Jan 2005 04:33:25 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:43:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote:
<sstevelp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1106486911.652695.71870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The claim published in The Lancet on Iraqis killed by Bushes war
was a peer reviewed statistical analysis based on accepted statistical
methods.
Just like the 2004 election exit polls that showed Trotskerry the winner.
Yet another moron who doesn't grasp that Kerry wasn't left wing, or
that the left wing is almost non-existant in US politics. He was Bush
lite.
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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24 Jan 2005 09:03:50 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:43:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote:
<sstevelp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1106486911.652695.71870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The claim published in The Lancet on Iraqis killed by Bushes war
was a peer reviewed statistical analysis based on accepted statistical
methods.
Just like the 2004 election exit polls that showed Trotskerry the winner.
Yet another moron who doesn't grasp that Kerry wasn't left wing, or
that the left wing is almost non-existant in US politics. He was Bush
lite.
Yet another leftist claiming centrism. It didn't work, komrade. You can
stand down now.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Jan 2005 10:45:39 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:03:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> said in alt.atheism:
Yet another leftist claiming centrism.
You call Kerry a leftist? Then you must think that Goldwater was
pretty far to the left.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
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| User: "HawkCW4" |
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25 Jan 2005 01:15:29 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:03:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> said in alt.atheism:
Yet another leftist claiming centrism.
You call Kerry a leftist? Then you must think that Goldwater was
pretty far to the left.
Don't know about him, but there have been many times that I wondered
about Goldwater. He seemed to have shifted to the left in many ways
toward the end of his service. BTW, I had talked to him via Ham Radio
on a few occasions and altho he did not like talking politics on the
air, he did say he was just following his instincts. I particularly
disliked his advocating the use of Nukes to be determined by the field
Commanders.
Sometimes I feel like McCain is of the same blood line.
Ed
USA Ret
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jan 2005 03:24:57 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:15:29 -0700, HawkCW4 <HawkCW4@cox.net> said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:03:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> said in alt.atheism:
Yet another leftist claiming centrism.
You call Kerry a leftist? Then you must think that Goldwater was
pretty far to the left.
Don't know about him, but there have been many times that I wondered
about Goldwater. He seemed to have shifted to the left in many ways
toward the end of his service.
Goldwater was always hard right ... until the right wing started
moving farther to the right. He stayed where he had always been -
staunch conservative.
BTW, I had talked to him via Ham Radio
Never had the pleasure.
I particularly
disliked his advocating the use of Nukes to be determined by the field
Commanders.
I dislike the idea of tactical nukes altogether.
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:46:57 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:43:50 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote:
<sstevelp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1106486911.652695.71870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The claim published in The Lancet on Iraqis killed by Bushes war
was a peer reviewed statistical analysis based on accepted
statistical
methods.
Just like the 2004 election exit polls that showed Trotskerry the
winner.
Yet another moron who doesn't grasp that Kerry wasn't left wing, or
that the left wing is almost non-existant in US politics. He was Bush
lite.
Exactly. That's why I get a kick out of morons calling the Democrats
"liberals." The real liberals despise them just much they do the
Republicans.
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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21 Jan 2005 07:53:15 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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21 Jan 2005 10:16:29 PM |
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Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war
criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you
take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of
sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have
for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult rather
than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a
brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will
acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score 20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's deaths?
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:33:27 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score 20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:41:51 PM |
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Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score 20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your hyperbole
have no end?
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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22 Jan 2005 05:37:23 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score 20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:03:41 AM |
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Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people
Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score
20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your
hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
What does Iraq have to do with the Holocaust? Or are you just a
fucking retard like *everyone* knows you are?
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| User: "raven1" |
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23 Jan 2005 07:05:46 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:37:23 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score 20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
Excuse me, but why on Earth would you bring up a *completely
irrelevant* comparison of the people killed in the Holocaust to those
killed in Bush's war, in a thread comparing Saddam Hussein and Bush,
without ever bothering to mention that you were referencing the
Holocaust in the first place, especially when what you were directly
responding to was the following:
YOU (referring to Saddam in the last half of the sentence):
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer
ME:
"Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned."
YOUR RESPONSE:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Tell, me, exactly what the hell does that have to do with *anything*
that was being discussed? And you're accusing someone else of being
stupid? The mind boggles.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:30:20 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:37:23 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people
Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score
20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your
hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
Excuse me, but why on Earth would you bring up a *completely
irrelevant* comparison of the people killed in the Holocaust to those
killed in Bush's war, in a thread comparing Saddam Hussein and Bush,
without ever bothering to mention that you were referencing the
Holocaust in the first place, especially when what you were directly
responding to was the following:
Typical Bush cultist move. Bring up the Holocaust IRT Iraq even though
it has no relevance. Don't you know? Saddam Hussein's the most evil
man there ever was, is, and will be. Until the next war we wage where
*that* country's leader is the most evil man there ever was, is, and
will be. And it will be that way until the war after that........
YOU (referring to Saddam in the last half of the sentence):
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a
brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer
ME:
"Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned."
YOUR RESPONSE:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Tell, me, exactly what the hell does that have to do with *anything*
that was being discussed? And you're accusing someone else of being
stupid? The mind boggles.
Welcome to Usenet. Even chimps got access these days.
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28 Jan 2005 02:58:57 AM |
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On 27 Jan 2005 22:30:20 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:37:23 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people
Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score
20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your
hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
Excuse me, but why on Earth would you bring up a *completely
irrelevant* comparison of the people killed in the Holocaust to those
killed in Bush's war, in a thread comparing Saddam Hussein and Bush,
without ever bothering to mention that you were referencing the
Holocaust in the first place, especially when what you were directly
responding to was the following:
Typical Bush cultist move. Bring up the Holocaust IRT Iraq even though
it has no relevance. Don't you know? Saddam Hussein's the most evil
man there ever was, is, and will be. Until the next war we wage where
*that* country's leader is the most evil man there ever was, is, and
will be. And it will be that way until the war after that........
"We have always been at war with Iraq..."
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| User: "George Z. Bush" |
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28 Jan 2005 05:40:51 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On 27 Jan 2005 22:30:20 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:37:23 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people
Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score
20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your
hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
Excuse me, but why on Earth would you bring up a *completely
irrelevant* comparison of the people killed in the Holocaust to those
killed in Bush's war, in a thread comparing Saddam Hussein and Bush,
without ever bothering to mention that you were referencing the
Holocaust in the first place, especially when what you were directly
responding to was the following:
Typical Bush cultist move. Bring up the Holocaust IRT Iraq even though
it has no relevance. Don't you know? Saddam Hussein's the most evil
man there ever was, is, and will be. Until the next war we wage where
*that* country's leader is the most evil man there ever was, is, and
will be. And it will be that way until the war after that........
"We have always been at war with Iraq..."
Even when we were teaching them how to use chemical weapons during their eight
year long war with their Iranian neighbors? BTW, just to display my ignorance,
who deserves credit for that one line quote that I responded to?
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28 Jan 2005 11:29:41 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:40:51 -0500, "George Z. Bush"
<georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On 27 Jan 2005 22:30:20 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:37:23 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:51 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:16:29 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
or
100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......
Wait, last year it was close to 500000 to a million people
Saddam
killed. It's now gone up to six million? What'll be the score
20
years from now? Saddam being guilty of 800 billion people's
deaths?
Hey numbnuts the reference is to the holocuast....
Oh, so now Saddam Hussein is guilty of that too? Does your
hyperbole
have no end?
Are you really that stupid or do you have to work at it?
Excuse me, but why on Earth would you bring up a *completely
irrelevant* comparison of the people killed in the Holocaust to those
killed in Bush's war, in a thread comparing Saddam Hussein and Bush,
without ever bothering to mention that you were referencing the
Holocaust in the first place, especially when what you were directly
responding to was the following:
Typical Bush cultist move. Bring up the Holocaust IRT Iraq even though
it has no relevance. Don't you know? Saddam Hussein's the most evil
man there ever was, is, and will be. Until the next war we wage where
*that* country's leader is the most evil man there ever was, is, and
will be. And it will be that way until the war after that........
"We have always been at war with Iraq..."
Even when we were teaching them how to use chemical weapons during their eight
year long war with their Iranian neighbors? BTW, just to display my ignorance,
who deserves credit for that one line quote that I responded to?
George Orwell in "1984," iirc, for the original line which Raven1
modified. "We have always been at war with Eastasia."
(digging)
http://www.bookrags.com/notes/1984/TOP3.htm
Reality Control 1: "Doublethink" is the major way the Party controls
its members. Through "doublethink," people consciously accept anything
the Party tells them, even if it contradicts something they already
know. Furthermore, they consciously suppress any thought or
information that goes against anything the Party says. To complete the
cycle, they must forget that they have even used doublethink. For
example, Oceania is continually at war with either Eurasia or
Eastasia. In April of 1984, Oceania is at war with Eurasia; citizens
must force themselves to "remember" that they have always been at war
with Eurasia, despite the fact that Oceania was allied with Eurasia
only four years before. Failure to control their thoughts using
doublethink, would result in thoughtcrime.
/end
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 01:32:19 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ...
.... against the will of the Iraqi people.
You were saying?
--
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 03:53:04 AM |
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In article <ta04v01re9cgedcuj3booh18vjommn73ct@4ax.com>
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ...
.... against the will of the Iraqi people.
Sensibly, from June 1990 until late 1992, I shoudah checks out xenu
tv.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Chatterly is all over the net, shard" -- Screamingwitch©²°°¾®
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 12:48:08 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
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| User: "Fredrick Garvin" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 06:32:39 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:48:08 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
Talk will never solve the problems in the middle east. NEVER. It has never
worked in the past and will never work in the future. Period. How many
more years do you want to wait before you wise the ***** up and realise
this? How many more millions of people have to die?
You ***** liberals are so fucked in the head it's not even funny...
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 03:40:16 PM |
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Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:48:08 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war
criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you
take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of
sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have
for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult
rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half
a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will
acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of
one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao
Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
Talk will never solve the problems in the middle east. NEVER. It has
never
worked in the past and will never work in the future.
Too bad the US's efforts have always been half-assed. With unilateral
support for Israel's crimes against the Palestinians and America
treating Arabs like they're subhuman for half a century, why should
they be happy with us?
Period. How many
more years do you want to wait before you wise the ***** up and
realise
this? How many more millions of people have to die?
How many millions of Americans died because of Arabs? Making up lies,
like usual.
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 03:47:30 PM |
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In article <1106430016.397905.253980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:48:08 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war
criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you
take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of
sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have
for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult
rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half
a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will
acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of
one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao
Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
Talk will never solve the problems in the middle east. NEVER. It has
never
worked in the past and will never work in the future.
Too bad the US's efforts have always been half-assed. With unilateral
support for Israel's crimes against the Palestinians and America
treating Arabs like they're subhuman for half a century, why should
they be happy with us?
We are human.
Period. How many
more years do you want to wait before you wise the ***** up and
realise
this? How many more millions of people have to die?
How many millions of Americans died because of Arabs? Making up lies,
like usual.
The coward is you goofy, what about nil.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Well, Kenny is just whining because a postor (you) he believes to be
a robot, is smarter than him on every count. Go figure." -- Hyerdahl1
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
28 Jan 2005 12:01:30 AM |
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Lady Chatterly wrote:
In article <1106430016.397905.253980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Rump Ranger <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Fredrick Garvin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:48:08 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin
<Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war
criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you
take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind
of
sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we
have
for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult
rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with
half
a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will
acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of
one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao
Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
Talk will never solve the problems in the middle east. NEVER. It
has
never
worked in the past and will never work in the future.
Too bad the US's efforts have always been half-assed. With
unilateral
support for Israel's crimes against the Palestinians and America
treating Arabs like they're subhuman for half a century, why should
they be happy with us?
We are human.
But Bush thinks Arabs aren't.
Period. How many
more years do you want to wait before you wise the ***** up and
realise
this? How many more millions of people have to die?
How many millions of Americans died because of Arabs? Making up
lies,
like usual.
The coward is you goofy, what about nil.
Can you learn how to write coherent English?
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jan 2005 11:32:58 AM |
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On 27 Jan 2005 22:01:30 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Lady Chatterly wrote:
Chatterly is a 'bot.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 11:24:20 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:32:39 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:48:08 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:53:15 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:16:46 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:18:26 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:00:05 +0000, raven1 wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:12:43 GMT, Fredrick Garvin <Garv@elaborate.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:41:09 -0800, Rump Ranger wrote:
Yes, both men are atrocious bastards. Both are also war criminals.
But if you had to stake your life on one's word, who'd you take? Who
lied about WMDs in Iraq? Saddam or Bush? Bush did. Kind of sad when
Saddam Hussein can be trusted more than the deserter we have for US
President:
You are an asshat.
I state the obvious though ...
What's obvious is that you tossed out a gratuitous insult rather than
addressing any of the points raised.
There is no need for me to address the assclown, anyone with half a brain
has to pick Bush over that fucking people killer.
Whereas anyone with a functioning, full-sized brain will acknowledge
that Bush's war, based on a lie about WMDs, has been directly
responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis. It's six of one,
half a dozen of the other, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmm let's see....6 million people killed for no good reason
Rubbish. Citation, please.
or 100,000 to
try to bring freedom and decency to Iraq ......you were saying?
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps you were backhandedly citing Mao Zedong's
dictum that you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...?
Talk will never solve the problems in the middle east. NEVER. It has never
worked in the past and will never work in the future.
Please feel free to explain how launching an unprovoked attack for
spurious reasons against an oil-rich Muslim nation, *which is exactly
what Osama Bin Laden had been saying all along that the US was going
to do* is somehow supposed to be more productive?
Period. How many
more years do you want to wait before you wise the ***** up and realise
this? How many more millions of people have to die?
How long is it going to take you to wake up and realize that the
primary reason the US is hated and feared in much of the world is not
our liberty or prosperity, but our foreign policy? Contrary to the
simplistic Neo-Con worldview, Muslims aren't stupid, and they aren't
going to believe that Bush invaded Iraq to "liberate" them while at
the same time he's joined at the hip to the repressive Saudi regime.
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
22 Jan 2005 04:16:56 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:t1d5v0lftjn4b963u9s5khfmebrp178php@4ax.com...
How long is it going to take you to wake up and realize that the
primary reason the US is hated and feared in much of the world is not
our liberty or prosperity, but our foreign policy?
You mean the real version, or the black-helicopter garbage spewed upon their
ignorant masses?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
24 Jan 2005 03:32:39 PM |
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James H. Hood wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:t1d5v0lftjn4b963u9s5khfmebrp178php@4ax.com...
How long is it going to take you to wake up and realize that the
primary reason the US is hated and feared in much of the world is not
our liberty or prosperity, but our foreign policy?
You mean the real version, or the black-helicopter garbage spewed upon their
ignorant masses?
LOL! That's hilarious coming from a BushCo supporter.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Poll: Who do you trust more? Saddam Hussein or George Bush? |
28 Jan 2005 12:02:25 AM |
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James H. Hood wrote:
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:t1d5v0lftjn4b963u9s5khfmebrp178php@4ax.com...
How long is it going to take you to wake up and realize that the
primary reason the US is hated and feared in much of the world is
not
our liberty or prosperity, but our foreign policy?
You mean the real version, or the black-helicopter garbage spewed
upon their
ignorant masses?
Thew "black helicopter" garbage is more credible than anything the US
Government says.
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