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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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03 Sep 2006 08:23:58 PM |
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Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1693483/posts
Pope abolishes Vatican's Christmas pop concert
Yahoo News ^ | August 31, 2006
Posted on 08/31/2006 6:07:52 PM PDT by NYer
Pope Benedict XVI has abolished the Vatican's traditional Christmas
concert because he does not share his predecessor's taste for pop music
and wants to avoid scandal, the Italian media has reported.
"Pope Ratzinger prefers Mozart and Bach to 'pop' music and thus, after
12 years, the traditional Vatican Christmas concert comes to an end,"
the daily La Stampa said on Thursday.
The annual charity concert, organized since its inception by the Prime
Time Promotion events agency, will be transferred to Monaco beginning
this year, the paper reported.
Starting in 1993, Italian and international pop stars gathered annually
in the Paul VI auditorium for the Yuletide bash. And every year Pope
John Paul II either granted an audience with the performers or prepared
a video-taped message.
To the chagrin of many performers, the 2005 edition was marked by the
absence of Benedict XVI, elected pope eight months earlier.
"It is impossible not to notice a change under the new pontiff," the
ANSA news agency said. "Benedict XVI is a very sober pope and is not
inclined toward variety shows. He is more concerned about leading the
faith of Catholics to its spiritual essence."
La Stampa suggested that Benedict XVI's reluctance to continue the
Christmas concert tradition stems not only from the German-born pope's
preference for classical music, but also his desire to avoid the small
scandals that have plagued the event in recent years.
Last year, Brazilian singer Daniela Mercury's show was cancelled by the
Vatican because she had taken part in a public service campaign in
Brazil promoting the use of condoms.
And in 2003, the American singer Lauryn Hill, ex-leader of the Fugees,
suggested during her concert before 7,500 spectators -- including many
Catholic prelates -- that the Church ask forgiveness for crimes
committed in the United States by pedophile priests.
Her statement was cut from the televised version of the concert.
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| User: "curmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 05:46:09 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
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Come back Lawrence Whelk all is forgiven.
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| User: "Sixties Gen" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 09:21:58 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1693483/posts
Pope abolishes Vatican's Christmas pop concert
Yahoo News ^ | August 31, 2006
Posted on 08/31/2006 6:07:52 PM PDT by NYer
Pope Benedict XVI has abolished the Vatican's traditional Christmas
concert because he does not share his predecessor's taste for pop music
and wants to avoid scandal, the Italian media has reported.
"Pope Ratzinger prefers Mozart and Bach to 'pop' music and thus, after
12 years, the traditional Vatican Christmas concert comes to an end,"
the daily La Stampa said on Thursday.
The annual charity concert, organized since its inception by the Prime
Time Promotion events agency, will be transferred to Monaco beginning
this year, the paper reported.
Starting in 1993, Italian and international pop stars gathered annually
in the Paul VI auditorium for the Yuletide bash. And every year Pope
John Paul II either granted an audience with the performers or prepared
a video-taped message.
To the chagrin of many performers, the 2005 edition was marked by the
absence of Benedict XVI, elected pope eight months earlier.
"It is impossible not to notice a change under the new pontiff," the
ANSA news agency said. "Benedict XVI is a very sober pope and is not
inclined toward variety shows. He is more concerned about leading the
faith of Catholics to its spiritual essence."
La Stampa suggested that Benedict XVI's reluctance to continue the
Christmas concert tradition stems not only from the German-born pope's
preference for classical music, but also his desire to avoid the small
scandals that have plagued the event in recent years.
Last year, Brazilian singer Daniela Mercury's show was cancelled by the
Vatican because she had taken part in a public service campaign in
Brazil promoting the use of condoms.
And in 2003, the American singer Lauryn Hill, ex-leader of the Fugees,
suggested during her concert before 7,500 spectators -- including many
Catholic prelates -- that the Church ask forgiveness for crimes
committed in the United States by pedophile priests.
Her statement was cut from the televised version of the concert.
I, for one, will miss the Vatican performance of "Grandma Got Run Over
By a Reindeer".
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
03 Sep 2006 08:44:17 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1693483/posts
Pope abolishes Vatican's Christmas pop concert
Yahoo News ^ | August 31, 2006
Posted on 08/31/2006 6:07:52 PM PDT by NYer
Pope Benedict XVI has abolished the Vatican's traditional Christmas
concert because he does not share his predecessor's taste for pop music
and wants to avoid scandal, the Italian media has reported.
"Pope Ratzinger prefers Mozart and Bach to 'pop' music and thus, after
12 years, the traditional Vatican Christmas concert comes to an end,"
the daily La Stampa said on Thursday.
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
03 Sep 2006 08:59:36 PM |
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Spartakus wrote:
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
That's an interesting point, actually. I guess Bach is so good that
even the Pope is willing to overlook the fact that he wasn't a
Catholic. Or alternatively, his German background trumps his not being
Catholic.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
03 Sep 2006 11:37:24 PM |
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wrote:
Spartakus wrote:
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
That's an interesting point, actually. I guess Bach is so good that
even the Pope is willing to overlook the fact that he wasn't a
Catholic. Or alternatively, his German background trumps his
not being Catholic.
A lot of people might find this paradoxical, but Bach is so spiritual
and transcendent in a universal sense that everyone, Christian and
non-Christian, can find nourishment in his music. I've talked to
Jewish musicians who enjoy performing his music tremendously, even his
sacred choral music.
I have a confession to make - while I find EWTN's brand of Catholicism
very disagreeable, I sometimes watch their presentations of Bach's
sacred choral works on Sunday afternoons. They are always beautifully
performed, filmed and recorded. And the performances are always very
_con amore_. If you get bored with Sunday afternoon football, give
these performances a try.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 12:51:42 AM |
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a =E9crit :
zaryzary2003@yahoo.com wrote:
Spartakus wrote:
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
That's an interesting point, actually. I guess Bach is so good that
even the Pope is willing to overlook the fact that he wasn't a
Catholic. Or alternatively, his German background trumps his
not being Catholic.
A lot of people might find this paradoxical, but Bach is so spiritual
and transcendent in a universal sense that everyone, Christian and
non-Christian, can find nourishment in his music. I've talked to
Jewish musicians who enjoy performing his music tremendously, even his
sacred choral music.
I have a confession to make - while I find EWTN's brand of Catholicism
very disagreeable, I sometimes watch their presentations of Bach's
sacred choral works on Sunday afternoons. They are always beautifully
performed, filmed and recorded. And the performances are always very
_con amore_. If you get bored with Sunday afternoon football, give
these performances a try.
Well, I'm 100% atheist and yet I have recordings of all Bach cantatas
and I would never miss the annual performance of Bach's Mattheus
Passion in the city I live in (for music lovers, most of the time
conducted by musicians like Nikolaus Harnoncourt, Philippe Herreweghe
and the like...).
Actually, I do appreciate sacred art, but on a purely esthetic level...
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| User: "Keeso" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 10:02:16 AM |
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EWTN's "brand" of Catholicism? By definition there is only one "brand" of
Catholicism. That's like saying I don't like Pythagoras' brand of geometry.
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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zaryzary2003@yahoo.com wrote:
Spartakus wrote:
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
That's an interesting point, actually. I guess Bach is so good that
even the Pope is willing to overlook the fact that he wasn't a
Catholic. Or alternatively, his German background trumps his
not being Catholic.
A lot of people might find this paradoxical, but Bach is so spiritual
and transcendent in a universal sense that everyone, Christian and
non-Christian, can find nourishment in his music. I've talked to
Jewish musicians who enjoy performing his music tremendously, even his
sacred choral music.
I have a confession to make - while I find EWTN's brand of Catholicism
very disagreeable, I sometimes watch their presentations of Bach's
sacred choral works on Sunday afternoons. They are always beautifully
performed, filmed and recorded. And the performances are always very
_con amore_. If you get bored with Sunday afternoon football, give
these performances a try.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 01:20:44 PM |
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Keeso wrote:
EWTN's "brand" of Catholicism? By definition there is only one "brand" of
Catholicism. That's like saying I don't like Pythagoras' brand of geometry.
Maybe by definition, but the reality is that there are several brands
of Catholicism.
And you've heard of non-Euclidean geometry, haven't you?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
04 Sep 2006 11:35:12 AM |
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Well if he like classical music, why abolish the concert altogether,
change it to a classical concert with an orchestra, surely there is
plenty of suitable classical music, I'm sure people would enjoy such a
concert.
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Abolishes Vatican's Christmas Pop Concert |
06 Sep 2006 10:28:16 PM |
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Spartakus wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1693483/posts
Pope abolishes Vatican's Christmas pop concert
Yahoo News ^ | August 31, 2006
Posted on 08/31/2006 6:07:52 PM PDT by NYer
Pope Benedict XVI has abolished the Vatican's traditional Christmas
concert because he does not share his predecessor's taste for pop music
and wants to avoid scandal, the Italian media has reported.
"Pope Ratzinger prefers Mozart and Bach to 'pop' music and thus, after
12 years, the traditional Vatican Christmas concert comes to an end,"
the daily La Stampa said on Thursday.
Bach? J.S. Bach? The *Lutheran* J.S. Bach? Apostacy!
Now Mozart, on the other hand, was the perfect model of a good
God-fearing catholic.
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