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24 May 2006 06:05:32 PM |
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Pope Blames Secularism For Canada's Low Birth Rate |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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28 May 2006 02:47:47 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:1148511931.932904.126760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
Well THAT scores a 0.002% on my give-a-*****-ometer!
Any more useless tidbits fuckhead?
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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24 May 2006 07:01:49 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in
news:1148511931.932904.126760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
Yeah, those catholic priests aren't happy that there won't be as many altar
boys unless those catholic parents start producing more offspring...
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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24 May 2006 06:09:03 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148511931.932904.126760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
Low birth rates? Another benefit of secularism!
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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24 May 2006 08:46:43 PM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:09:03 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
Low birth rates? Another benefit of secularism!
Looks like the church has another mental case for pope.
Not the first time, of course...
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| User: "Asterix" |
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24 May 2006 09:34:04 PM |
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Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
On 24 May 2006 16:05:32 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Pope Blames Secularism For Canada's Low Birth Rate-Should be Blaming Morgentaler & Abortion Centers!! |
24 May 2006 10:58:32 PM |
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Asterix wrote:
Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
So what's your solution? Go back fifty years and make women baby
factories again?
The reasons couples have less children are complex and no diktat from a
celibate, ex
Hilter-Youth member will change that.
Olrik
<snip for brevity>
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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24 May 2006 10:35:36 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Asterix
(Asterix@roc.usenetexchange.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
No baby has ever been "butchered" by abortion. A baby isn't a baby until
it is born, moron.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| Title: Re: Pope Blames Secularism For Canada's Low Birth Rate-Should be Blaming Morgentaler & Abortion Centers!! |
25 May 2006 11:24:14 AM |
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Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
On 24 May 2006 16:05:32 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
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03 Aug 2006 10:33:18 AM |
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Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
On 24 May 2006 16:05:32 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
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| User: "Jules Striker" |
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21 Aug 2006 09:51:25 AM |
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Do not forget to include as a factor, the MORGENTALER ABORTION
CENTERS, where hundreds of thousands of babies are butchered, to line
the pockets of the ZYD owner by tens of million$ a year!!
On 24 May 2006 16:05:32 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
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24 May 2006 08:09:50 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Sound of Trumpet poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" ...
How very ironic, coming from a theist who is presumably celibate, and
has no record of ever having fathered a child.
Regards,
Josef
He that thinks himself the wisest is generally the greatest fool.
-- Charles Caleb Colton
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24 May 2006 08:25:55 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
Leave it to a Catholic to see negative population growth as a bad thing.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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25 May 2006 09:42:19 AM |
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Saying "The Pope Blames Secularism for X" is about as profound as
saying "Hitler Blames Jews for X".
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| User: "paddy" |
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24 May 2006 06:17:39 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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24 May 2006 06:31:29 PM |
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paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot. The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them. And what cities are socialist? Please name them. The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election. The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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24 May 2006 07:56:22 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot.
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is a
*genius*.
The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them.
That begs the question; given the facts about Canada, why would this
generation be reluctant to have children?
And what cities are socialist? Please name them.
Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal...
The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election.
All Canadian parties are some degree of socialist. The NDP is the
farthest the the left (they won those 29 seats), but the Liberal party
is closer to the centre; but is still socialist. The governing
Conservative party is more centrist; but can hardly be called 'right
wing'
The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
The average after tax income for "ordinary folks" ie. two parent
families with one wage earner is CDN$53,000. You can comfortably feed
quite a few mouths with that. The whole point is; Wealth and health are
not issues, neither is population; yet Canadians (and Europeans, for
that matter) do not have enough children to even replace ourselves. The
real reason is, as His Holiness said, is secularism; a selfish self
serving and aggrandizing culture with no hope for the future.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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25 May 2006 10:55:49 AM |
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Hugh Betcha wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot.
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is an idiot
Don't censor me.
The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them.
That begs the question; given the facts about Canada, why would this
generation be reluctant to have children?
It's not that they're reluctant, it's that they're smarter and more
informed. That's my opinion from paying attention to the North American
media. There's more willingness to talk about making wise decisions
when it comes to fucking than there was in the previous generation (or
other generations before that). Having children is a life altering
experience.
And what cities are socialist? Please name them.
Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal...
***** ***** and *****.
Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in
which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned
collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and
controls the economy
Tell me how these cities are socialist based upon an actual definition
of socialism? Canada is a parliamentary democracy. Get your facts
straight.
The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election.
All Canadian parties are some degree of socialist. The NDP is the
farthest the the left (they won those 29 seats), but the Liberal party
is closer to the centre; but is still socialist. The governing
Conservative party is more centrist; but can hardly be called 'right
wing'
Yes they can, The Conservative party is right wing. And the Liberal
Party is not socialist. see the above definition of socialism. The NDP
makes no bones about being socialist, and barely elect any party
members.
The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
The average after tax income for "ordinary folks" ie. two parent
families with one wage earner is CDN$53,000. You can comfortably feed
quite a few mouths with that. The whole point is; Wealth and health are
not issues, neither is population; yet Canadians (and Europeans, for
that matter) do not have enough children to even replace ourselves.
The world could stand a lower population of humans. It is obvious to
everyone else that the Catholic church has a no birth control policy so
that there will be more Catholics, which is shameful. The same goes for
the other religions that have the same policy.
The real reason is, as His Holiness said, is secularism; a selfish self
serving and aggrandizing culture with no hope for the future.
Yeah, those theocracies are really working out well. I don't think for
a minute a Catholic theocracy would behave any differently from the
Muslim theocracies that we are currently inflicted with, based on their
history.
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25 May 2006 06:19:59 PM |
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<snip>
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot.
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is an all around swell
guy.
Don't censor me.
Huh?
The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them.
That begs the question; given the facts about Canada, why would this
generation be reluctant to have children?
It's not that they're reluctant, it's that they're smarter and more
informed.
Yes, that's true, but how does that reduce or eliminate the desire to
have children?
That's my opinion from paying attention to the North American
media. There's more willingness to talk about making wise decisions
when it comes to fucking than there was in the previous generation (or
other generations before that).
Generally, we do a lot more fucking than previous generations; our
culture seems downright obsessed with it. We have high tech drugs and
devices to basically eliminate the unwanted consequences (disease,
pregnancy) and thereby avoid any real responsibilty for it.
Having children is a life altering experience.
Indeed. IMHO, altered for the positive. Are we somehow getting to the
reason that people don't have children anymore?
And what cities are socialist? Please name them.
Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal...
***** ***** and *****.
Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in
which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned
collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and
controls the economy
Tell me how these cities are socialist based upon an actual definition
of socialism? Canada is a parliamentary democracy. Get your facts
straight.
Alright, I may be misusing the term 'socialism' Let's stick to the
left-right scale. Those cities voted left; ie. Liberal, NDP.
The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election.
All Canadian parties are some degree of socialist. The NDP is the
farthest the the left (they won those 29 seats), but the Liberal party
is closer to the centre; but is still socialist. The governing
Conservative party is more centrist; but can hardly be called 'right
wing'
Yes they can, The Conservative party is right wing.
The Alliance party was right wing; the Conservatives have moved to the
centre. Of course, that may be just my opinion.
And the Liberal
Party is not socialist. see the above definition of socialism. The NDP
makes no bones about being socialist, and barely elect any party
members.
29 seats is a good showing; the best ever for the NDP I think. I think
a lot of Liberal voters who were turned off by the stanky corruption
of their party voted for the NDP because they bought into the 'scary'
hype about the Conservatives.
The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
The average after tax income for "ordinary folks" ie. two parent
families with one wage earner is CDN$53,000. You can comfortably feed
quite a few mouths with that. The whole point is; Wealth and health are
not issues, neither is population; yet Canadians (and Europeans, for
that matter) do not have enough children to even replace ourselves.
The world could stand a lower population of humans.
Is there a logical rationale for that? I don't see it.
It is obvious to everyone else that the Catholic church has a no birth control policy so
that there will be more Catholics, which is shameful. The same goes for
the other religions that have the same policy.
The Catholic Church values children and family because it believes in
hope and the future. There are deeply held moral and theological
reasons as well. However, Catholic parents are NOT supposed to pop out
children willy nilly; but only according to their means to support and
raise them. NFP is an accepted method of birth control; it's as
effective as artificial means, but unpopular because it requires
responsibilty and periodic abstinence (see my comment on 'fucking')
The real reason is, as His Holiness said, is secularism; a selfish self
serving and aggrandizing culture with no hope for the future.
Well, due to the lack of any better explanation as to why folks don't
have children; I'm sticking to the above.
Yeah, those theocracies are really working out well. I don't think for
a minute a Catholic theocracy would behave any differently from the
Muslim theocracies that we are currently inflicted with, based on their
history.
Theocracies are to avoided at all costs; regardless of the religion.
The Church from her inception has always considered herself seperate
from temporal governments; it's not her purpose to rule in that manner.
Despite that, she's made a few attempts otherwise; and those ended in
failure. All in all, history is filled with examples of secular
governments trying to control the Church, and not vice versa.
H
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25 May 2006 06:57:39 PM |
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Hugh Betcha wrote:
<snip>
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot.
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is an all around swell
guy.
Don't censor me.
Huh?
I changed my words back to the way they were before
The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them.
That begs the question; given the facts about Canada, why would this
generation be reluctant to have children?
It's not that they're reluctant, it's that they're smarter and more
informed.
Yes, that's true, but how does that reduce or eliminate the desire to
have children?
I never said it did. It just reduces the number of accidental
preganancies.
That's my opinion from paying attention to the North American
media. There's more willingness to talk about making wise decisions
when it comes to fucking than there was in the previous generation (or
other generations before that).
Generally, we do a lot more fucking than previous generations;
Prove it, I think it's about the same.
our
culture seems downright obsessed with it.
That's merely your opinion. I think some are obsessed, some aren't, and
if they aren't hurting anyone, who cares? I mean, who cares besides the
religous who pretend they aren't obsessed with sex, but stick their
noses into other people's sex lives for some kind of vicarious thrill?
We have high tech drugs and
devices to basically eliminate the unwanted consequences (disease,
pregnancy) and thereby avoid any real responsibilty for it.
Do you think we should throw away "high tech drugs and devices" so that
people can be taught "real responsibility?"
Having children is a life altering experience.
Indeed. IMHO, altered for the positive. Are we somehow getting to the
reason that people don't have children anymore?
Having children is not necessarily a positive experience. I don't see
anything wrong with the people who have children actually being
prepared and responsible enough to have children. And I don't know why
you think people in Canada aren't having children anymore. Go visit a
maternity ward.
And what cities are socialist? Please name them.
Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal...
***** ***** and *****.
Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in
which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned
collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and
controls the economy
Tell me how these cities are socialist based upon an actual definition
of socialism? Canada is a parliamentary democracy. Get your facts
straight.
Alright, I may be misusing the term 'socialism' Let's stick to the
left-right scale. Those cities voted left; ie. Liberal, NDP.
There are plenty of Conservative MP's from my city. In fact, one of
them jumped from the Liberals to the Conservatives immediately after
the last election, which upset a lot of voters. In Canada, the vote
splits between Ontario and Quebec, with the West going against whoever
is the incumbent party.
The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election.
All Canadian parties are some degree of socialist. The NDP is the
farthest the the left (they won those 29 seats), but the Liberal party
is closer to the centre; but is still socialist. The governing
Conservative party is more centrist; but can hardly be called 'right
wing'
Yes they can, The Conservative party is right wing.
The Alliance party was right wing; the Conservatives have moved to the
centre. Of course, that may be just my opinion.
The Conservatives may have moved towards the center (that is
debatable), but they are still right of center.
And the Liberal
Party is not socialist. see the above definition of socialism. The NDP
makes no bones about being socialist, and barely elect any party
members.
29 seats is a good showing; the best ever for the NDP I think. I think
a lot of Liberal voters who were turned off by the stanky corruption
of their party voted for the NDP because they bought into the 'scary'
hype about the Conservatives.
I don't think that's the best the NDP ever did, but it's close. I think
some disenchanted Liberals voted NDP because they actually regard the
Conservatives as scary, no hype required. Those are the ones who are
familiar with the Mulroney regime from the 1980's.
The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
The average after tax income for "ordinary folks" ie. two parent
families with one wage earner is CDN$53,000. You can comfortably feed
quite a few mouths with that. The whole point is; Wealth and health are
not issues, neither is population; yet Canadians (and Europeans, for
that matter) do not have enough children to even replace ourselves.
The world could stand a lower population of humans.
Is there a logical rationale for that? I don't see it.
Overpopulation by humans is a problem in general. Surely you are aware
of that.
It is obvious to everyone else that the Catholic church has a no birth control policy so
that there will be more Catholics, which is shameful. The same goes for
the other religions that have the same policy.
The Catholic Church values children and family because it believes in
hope and the future.
That's the propoganda. I don't believe it.
There are deeply held moral and theological
reasons as well.
None of which make sense to me.
However, Catholic parents are NOT supposed to pop out
children willy nilly; but only according to their means to support and
raise them.
That doesn't always work out that way.
NFP is an accepted method of birth control; it's as
effective as artificial means, but unpopular because it requires
responsibilty and periodic abstinence (see my comment on 'fucking')
The real reason is, as His Holiness said, is secularism; a selfish self
serving and aggrandizing culture with no hope for the future.
Well, due to the lack of any better explanation as to why folks don't
have children; I'm sticking to the above.
Yeah, those theocracies are really working out well. I don't think for
a minute a Catholic theocracy would behave any differently from the
Muslim theocracies that we are currently inflicted with, based on their
history.
Theocracies are to avoided at all costs; regardless of the religion.
The Church from her inception has always considered herself seperate
from temporal governments; it's not her purpose to rule in that manner.
Despite that, she's made a few attempts otherwise; and those ended in
failure. All in all, history is filled with examples of secular
governments trying to control the Church, and not vice versa.
I think there's historical examples of both, and I think (particularly
the Catholic church) pracitices political control through the back door.
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27 May 2006 11:05:34 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
Overpopulation by humans is a problem in general. Surely you are aware
of that.
No, I wasn't.
Colin Day aa #1500
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24 May 2006 10:45:01 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Hugh Betcha
(gemond@canada.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is a
*genius*.
Heh - does that figure in the square kilometreage of the nearly
uninhabitable northern areas?
And, no, the Pope is an idiot. After all, he thinks he will live after he
dies.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "2455 Dead" |
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25 May 2006 12:28:43 AM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 22:45:01 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Hugh Betcha
(gemond@canada.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is a
*genius*.
Heh - does that figure in the square kilometreage of the nearly
uninhabitable northern areas?
And, no, the Pope is an idiot. After all, he thinks he will live after he
dies.
Actually, there's still roughly a million square miles below the
treeline that are largely undeveloped. It's not all igloos and polar
bears, you know.
--
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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24 May 2006 11:55:24 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Hugh Betcha
(gemond@canada.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is a
*genius*.
Heh - does that figure in the square kilometreage of the nearly
uninhabitable northern areas?
It's not as uninhabitable as you might think; and the 105,000 or so
people who live north of 60 degrees seem to enjoy it. Besides, most
large countries have vast tracts of 'nearly uninhabitable' wilderness,
Russia, China, Brazil, Australia...
And, no, the Pope is an idiot. After all, he thinks he will live after he
dies.
All Catholics do. I guess we're all idiots, eh? (or geniuses, we'll
have to wait and see.)
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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25 May 2006 11:39:24 AM |
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Hugh Betcha wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Hugh Betcha
(gemond@canada.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Canada *is* a great place to live. It is one of the most affluent
countires in the world, with among the highest standards of living. A
peaceful, just and tolerant society that is a great place to raise
children. It has a population density of only 3 people per square
kilometre; ranking 186th in 200 countries. Oh, and the Pope is a
*genius*.
Heh - does that figure in the square kilometreage of the nearly
uninhabitable northern areas?
It's not as uninhabitable as you might think; and the 105,000 or so
people who live north of 60 degrees seem to enjoy it. Besides, most
large countries have vast tracts of 'nearly uninhabitable' wilderness,
Russia, China, Brazil, Australia...
105,000 is not very many people for that huge expanse of land. Have you
ever been in Northern Canada? I have. Move to the tundra and then get
back to us.
And, no, the Pope is an idiot. After all, he thinks he will live after he
dies.
All Catholics do. I guess we're all idiots, eh? (or geniuses, we'll
have to wait and see.)
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25 May 2006 03:17:09 PM |
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Wouldn't a more accurate headline be "Pope wants Canadians to ***** more"?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "paddy" |
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24 May 2006 06:57:18 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot. The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them. And what cities are socialist? Please name them. The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election. The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
What I understood is that the cities are feeding off the taxes and
government funded by the rest of Canada. At least that is the opinions
of some of the small communities, towns, etc.
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24 May 2006 08:53:31 PM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:57:18 -0700, paddy <o'rocker@nl.net> wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot. The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them. And what cities are socialist? Please name them. The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election. The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
What I understood is that the cities are feeding off the taxes and
government funded by the rest of Canada. At least that is the opinions
of some of the small communities, towns, etc.
Well, if it's the same as here, the opposite is true. The cities
typically have a higher ratio of taxes paid to services recieved than
the rural areas.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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25 May 2006 10:25:03 AM |
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paddy wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636674/posts
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Monday, May 20, 2006 | AP
Posted on 05/22/2006 6:48:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday that low birth rates in
Canada are the result of the "pervasive effects of secularism" and
asked the country's bishops to counter the trend by preaching the truth
of Christ.
Benedict, who has spoken out several times in favor of large families,
blamed Canada's low birth rate on social ills and moral ambiguities
that result from secular ideology.
"Like many countries ... Canada is today suffering from the pervasive
effects of secularism," Benedict told visiting bishops from Canada.
"One of the more dramatic symptoms of this mentality, clearly evident
in your own region, is the plummeting birth rate."
Canada's birth rate in 2005 was 10.5 births for every 1,000 people,
according to Statistics Canada.
"Canadians look to you to be men of hope, preaching and teaching with
passion the splendor of the truth of Christ who dispels the darkness
and illuminates the way to renew ecclesiastical and civic life," the
pontiff told the bishops, speaking in English.
Separately, Benedict told the new Spanish ambassador to the Holy See
that family based on marriage should not be "replaced or confused" by
other institutions -- an allusion to gay marriage, which is legal in
Spain.
Benedict said he hoped his planned visit to Valencia, Spain, in July to
attend a church gathering dedicated to families would give him "an
opportunity to celebrate the beauty and fecundity of the family based
on marriage, its very high calling and its essential social value."
The pope has been leading a church campaign in defense of traditional
families.
He also reiterated church opposition to abortion and euthanasia.
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot. The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them. And what cities are socialist? Please name them. The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election. The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
What I understood is that the cities are feeding off the taxes and
government funded by the rest of Canada. At least that is the opinions
of some of the small communities, towns, etc.
People in Canadian cities pay high property taxes, people everywhere
pay the same federal (GST) taxes, most people pay provincial taxes
(except one of the prairie provinces), farmers get some tax breaks,
governments have programs that apply to everybody, to rural people, to
urban people, and to nobody in particular. You're buying into the myth
that there's a big difference between rural and urban people- there
isn't really.
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| User: "Dean" |
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24 May 2006 06:59:09 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
paddy wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Pope Cites Secularism in Canada Birth Rate
What I heard from ordinary folks, up there, is that they cannot afford
another mouth to feed. The socialist cities seem to have most of the
income. Secularism hasn't got thqat much to do with it.
Canada is a great place to live, and the Pope is an idiot. The child
bearing generation is maybe a little wiser about having children these
days than past generations, and not just for fiscal reasons. Good for
them. And what cities are socialist? Please name them. The socialist
party won 29 out of 308 seats in the last election. The socialist
ridings are generally the blue collar areas. You know, the "ordinary
folks" you talk about who "can't afford another mouth to feed." You're
a little confused.
Actually, there was an editorial in my daily paper (The Vancouver Sun)
this morning (or was it yesterday?) about declining birth rates and
their effect on the ability of future generations to pay for our
retirement.
Considering that Canada's birth rate isn't even a replacement rate (we
die off faster than we procreate) our population would eventually
dwindle to nothing if we don't increase immigration. We need more
taxpayers, somehow.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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24 May 2006 10:40:45 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Neil Kelsey
(neil_kelsey@hotmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Canada is a great place to live,
If only it were about a thousand miles further south.
and the Pope is an idiot.
Yup.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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