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"johac" |
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18 Jun 2007 06:51:47 PM |
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Pope: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
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Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
He tried to clean it up afterwards by noting the, "sufferings and
injustices inflicted by the colonizers on the indigenous populations
whose human and basic rights often were trampled," but the damage was
done.
The Pope seems to have selective amnesia when it comes to the Church and
its horrendous history of human rights disasters against people of
color. This happens at a time when Catholicism is becoming an
increasingly southern religion and an increasingly brown religion.
Roughly half of Catholics are in Latin America. Not only is the Pope out
of step with the needs and everyday realities of the Third World, he is
not speaking their language, and not owning up to the sins of the past.
Religious institutions have excused, aided and abetted crimes throughout
history. Indeed, the church has much to atone for. There are three bulls
(edicts, or executive orders, if you will) issued by the Papacy with
which we should concern ourselves. The Dum Diversas, issued by Pope
Nicholas V in 1452, authorized King Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any
"Saracens (Muslims) and pagans and any other unbelievers" to perpetual
slavery, thereby ushering in the West African slave trade.
The Romanus Pontifex, also issued by Pope Nicholas V in 1455, sanctioned
the seizure of non-Christian lands, and encouraged the enslavement of
non-Christian people in Africa and the Americas. Specifically, it gave
the green light to "invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue
all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ
wheresoever placed," all for profit, and in the name of Jesus Christ.
The Inter Caetera, signed by Pope Alexander VI in 1493, states, "... we
(the Papacy) command you (Spain) ... to instruct the aforesaid
inhabitants and residents and dwellers therein in the Catholic faith,
and train them in good morals." This papal law sanctioned and paved the
way for European colonization and Catholic missions in the New World.
These three edicts opened the floodgates for everything that followed,
the raping, pillaging, kidnapping, genocide and enslavement of millions.
They established the groundwork for the global slave trade of the 15th
and 16th centuries, and the Age of Imperialism. Speaking of organized
crime, at this time I'm reminded of a famous line from the movie The
Godfather, referring to the drug trade: "In my city, we'd keep the
traffic in the Dark People, the Coloreds -- they're animals anyway, so
let them lose their souls."
Despite the changing color of the church, there has been no pope from
outside Europe in centuries, since the days of the African popes. And
today, the current pope seems to want to perpetuate the paternalism and
the racism of the past. The church is behind the times and out of step
with the modern world and the needs of the poor. Its unhealthy view
toward sexuality has destroyed the innocence of youth, through child
abuse scandals. Its homophobia is callous and hypocritical. And its
condemnation of reproductive freedom and contraception -- stemming from
a vow of celibacy for priests and nuns that had more to do with
preventing clergy from having heirs who would inherit church property,
and less to do with spirituality -- is irresponsible, in light of the
AIDS epidemic in Africa, home to the lion's share of AIDS cases.
In Brazil, Pentecostalismism is on the rise. There have been efforts to
incorporate African rites and drums into Catholic services, in an effort
to become more dynamic and more relevant. Yet, in the most African
nation outside of Africa, and the world's largest Roman Catholic nation,
there are only 11 Black bishops out of 400.
In Latin America, liberation theology remains influential. This school
of theology, which focuses on social justice and political activism for
the poor, challenges people in high places, and views Jesus as liberator
of the oppressed, is rejected by the Vatican. In fact, Pope Benedict has
devoted his career to eradicating liberation theology and its
supporters, which he rejects as Marxist-inspired, and "a threat to the
faith of the church."
What we are witnessing is the ancient struggle between imperial religion
-- the arrogant manipulation of God to endorse the powerful, protect the
rich and maintain the status quo -- and the use of faith as a force for
social change. Look at the Christian Right's endorsement of Bush as
"God's President," as he presides over the largest transfer of wealth in
the nation's history, turns his back on New Orleans, appoints Christian
Right attorneys to suppress the voting rights of African Americans, and
sponsors the carnage taking place in Iraq. And on the other hand,
remember Gandhi, who used Hindu spirituality and civil disobedience to
liberate India from the British Empire. Remember Dr. King, who condemned
Jim Crow segregation, poverty at home and an immoral war in Vietnam, as
conservative Christians met him with brutality and death threats and
moderate Christian clergy urged him to slow down. This is nothing new.
No longer can the great father on high dictate to the masses of colored
children. Eradicating poverty, empowering the weak and seeking justice
for all are the wave of the future. Glorifying a past that was a
nightmare to many, and denying people their basic dignity and cultural
self-determination, the Pope and other rusty, outdated institutions must
get on the right side of justice, or find themselves relegated to the
dustbin of history.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
19 Jun 2007 11:34:07 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
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Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
19 Jun 2007 05:17:10 PM |
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In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
19 Jun 2007 05:29:54 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
20 Jun 2007 05:59:24 PM |
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In article <5dr3n2F2u26vvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
Exactly. Where does one culture get off telling another culture how they
should live and what sky daddies they should worship? I would have
thought that we would have left that behind in the 16th and 17th
centuries, but it seems that some people and some countries are doing it
to the third world even today.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
21 Jun 2007 09:38:25 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1F1AEC.15592420062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dr3n2F2u26vvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at
the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and
was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
Exactly. Where does one culture get off telling another culture how they
should live and what sky daddies they should worship? I would have
thought that we would have left that behind in the 16th and 17th
centuries, but it seems that some people and some countries are doing it
to the third world even today.
Sadly, yes :(
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
21 Jun 2007 05:43:31 PM |
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In article <5dvgpvF36hou4U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1F1AEC.15592420062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dr3n2F2u26vvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
---
AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at
the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and
was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
Exactly. Where does one culture get off telling another culture how they
should live and what sky daddies they should worship? I would have
thought that we would have left that behind in the 16th and 17th
centuries, but it seems that some people and some countries are doing it
to the third world even today.
Sadly, yes :(
I agree :-(
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples |
02 Jul 2007 09:19:49 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:24 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5dr3n2F2u26vvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
---
AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
Exactly. Where does one culture get off telling another culture how they
should live and what sky daddies they should worship? I would have
thought that we would have left that behind in the 16th and 17th
centuries, but it seems that some people and some countries are doing it
to the third world even today.
A hell of a lot of people remain in the first century. Pope Nazi heads
the pinnacle institution.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Jul 2007 09:18:31 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:29:54 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E85372.15171019062007@news.giganews.com...
In article <5dqequF35nl8rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com...
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
Oh my goodness, what a STUPID thing to say.
I wonder if he ever cracked a history book? And not one written for
Catholic school kids. The ones we read glossed over the nasty stuff. I
twas only when I got older and started reading on my own that I became
aware of what really was going on.
Not having a religious upbringing, I got right into the real stuff and was
properly appalled. When my aunt was bragging about the great missionary
work her church was doing, I snapped "Yes, we wouldn't want them to have
their OWN religions and culture". My mother gave me a talking-to after
that. Nevermind I was in my late 30s at the time.
Cultural genocide to go with the physical genocide and enslavement.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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19 Jun 2007 03:23:08 AM |
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On Jun 19, 12:51 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
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Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Good article - Thanks for posting it.
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| User: "johac" |
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19 Jun 2007 05:17:41 PM |
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In article <1182241388.352709.223480@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:51 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Good article - Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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02 Jul 2007 09:17:29 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:51:47 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
So that's what they're calling their past and current crimes against
humanity now.
Flush these inhuman monsters.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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19 Jun 2007 10:04:25 PM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:jhachmann-
1E2F2C.16514718062007@news.giganews.com:
More on Benny's dumb racist statements during his recent trip to the
Americas.
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AlterNet
Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples
By David A. Love, The Black Commentator
Posted on June 18, 2007, Printed on June 18, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/54407/
During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended
millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified
indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous
religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were
longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the
time of European conquest.
What an ignorant piece of crap! He's the perfect representative for his
church...unfortunately.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
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