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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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24 Mar 2007 11:20:13 PM |
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Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
AP ^ | Mar 24, 2007 | FRANCES D'EMILIO
Posted on 03/24/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Europe appears to be losing faith in its own
future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous
individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer
children.
"One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road
which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told
bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the
signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of
today's European Union.
Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile"-
though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent
for decades.
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides
putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties
for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism,
careless about the consequences for the future."
"You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing
faith in its own future," Benedict said.
A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the
lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.
Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the
unemployment rate-at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about
losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often
until it is too late.
Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed
a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the
hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a
nation."
Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per
women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a
small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.
Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but
they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a
sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well
into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.
Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press
recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have
more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.
Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family
friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave,
has experienced a baby boom.
France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-
century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's
graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.
A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary
to keep a population from shrinking.
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25 Mar 2007 05:38:17 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> copied-and-pasted
in news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
<...>
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
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In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
<..>
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and have
children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "johac" |
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26 Mar 2007 12:40:42 AM |
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In article <Xns98FE8973CEE2Blisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> copied-and-pasted
in news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
<...>
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
<...>
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
<..>
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and have
children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
I was going to ask how many kids does Benny have?
Lisbeth.
----
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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26 Mar 2007 11:43:17 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jhachmann-19DF80.22404225032007@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns98FE8973CEE2Blisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net>
copied-and-pasted in
news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
<...>
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
<...>
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one
or no children, the population is expected to shrink
dramatically in a generation or two unless fertility rates
quickly increase.
<..>
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married
and have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
I was going to ask how many kids does Benny have?
I'm sure we know what he would answer to that question. However, do we
know how many children the average Pope has/had?
Lisbeth.
----
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
--
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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27 Mar 2007 01:54:42 AM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 16:43:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote:
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jhachmann-19DF80.22404225032007@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns98FE8973CEE2Blisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net>
copied-and-pasted in
news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
<...>
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
<...>
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one
or no children, the population is expected to shrink
dramatically in a generation or two unless fertility rates
quickly increase.
<..>
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married
and have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
I was going to ask how many kids does Benny have?
I'm sure we know what he would answer to that question. However, do we
know how many children the average Pope has/had?
Sexually or parentally?
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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27 Mar 2007 05:12:25 AM |
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Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ksfh03p1p336v37u9qq9ius3qgh21j2qf8@4ax.com:
On 26 Mar 2007 16:43:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson
<lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jhachmann-19DF80.22404225032007@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns98FE8973CEE2Blisandbredbandnet@66.150.105.47>,
Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net>
copied-and-pasted in
news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
<...>
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
<...>
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one
or no children, the population is expected to shrink
dramatically in a generation or two unless fertility rates
quickly increase.
<..>
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married
and have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
I was going to ask how many kids does Benny have?
I'm sure we know what he would answer to that question. However,
do we know how many children the average Pope has/had?
Sexually or parentally?
Well, in the context I was thinking about parentally. Sexually we
already have a partial answer - too many. And then there is the
"both" possibility. <Excuse me when I go away and throw up :-(>
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
--
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:47:19 PM |
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On 25 Mar 2007 10:38:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote:
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and have
children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
With Pope Benny making pronouncements? I think the first price break
was moved up into scientific notation - 10^10, or something near that.
It's never been lower than a single day's supply.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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27 Mar 2007 04:57:10 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:i91h03p7bbau1iacfa1f8n58frekgaolpc@4ax.com:
On 25 Mar 2007 10:38:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson
<lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and
have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
With Pope Benny making pronouncements? I think the first price
break was moved up into scientific notation - 10^10, or something
near that. It's never been lower than a single day's supply.
Sigh. There is no Evil Atheistic Conspiracy! The EAC means Evil
Atheistic Capitalists. We ... eh .... They make a fortune of those
irony meters, because everybody knows that the consequences of reading
this group with at least one connected are too horrible to
contemplate, exploding heads have been reported. But now that I know
of the problem, I know how to fix it.
Lisbeth.
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EAC department of irony meter quality control.
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
I'm signing out a large bunch of irony meters, and will personally
test their quality during realistic conditions.
By "singning out" I of course do not mean that I will actually sign
anything ...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Mar 2007 09:21:58 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 21:57:10 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:i91h03p7bbau1iacfa1f8n58frekgaolpc@4ax.com:
On 25 Mar 2007 10:38:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson
<lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and
have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
With Pope Benny making pronouncements? I think the first price
break was moved up into scientific notation - 10^10, or something
near that. It's never been lower than a single day's supply.
Sigh. There is no Evil Atheistic Conspiracy! The EAC means Evil
Atheistic Capitalists. We ... eh .... They make a fortune of those
irony meters, because everybody knows that the consequences of reading
this group with at least one connected are too horrible to
contemplate, exploding heads have been reported. But now that I know
of the problem, I know how to fix it.
You CAN NOT use Bush's head to stabilize your irony meter! Removing
that much solidity from the country will cause it to float up to the
moon.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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30 Mar 2007 06:59:28 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ovso03h4kr3vufn42h2f6oelcr7ve1q72h@4ax.com:
On 27 Mar 2007 21:57:10 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson
<lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:i91h03p7bbau1iacfa1f8n58frekgaolpc@4ax.com:
On 25 Mar 2007 10:38:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson
<lisand@bredband.net> wrote:
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married
and have children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
With Pope Benny making pronouncements? I think the first price
break was moved up into scientific notation - 10^10, or
something near that. It's never been lower than a single day's
supply.
Sigh. There is no Evil Atheistic Conspiracy! The EAC means Evil
Atheistic Capitalists. We ... eh .... They make a fortune of
those irony meters, because everybody knows that the consequences
of reading this group with at least one connected are too
horrible to contemplate, exploding heads have been reported. But
now that I know of the problem, I know how to fix it.
You CAN NOT use Bush's head to stabilize your irony meter!
Removing that much solidity from the country will cause it to
float up to the moon.
You say that as if it is a bad thing. Are you deviously trying to
discourage everybody else, until you can get your hands on it?
<Incoming message>
Oh, the aliens living on the moon say that it would indeed be a bad
thing. I guess that means he is all yours.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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27 Mar 2007 09:01:41 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:47:19 -0500, Al Klein wrote
(in article <i91h03p7bbau1iacfa1f8n58frekgaolpc@4ax.com>):
On 25 Mar 2007 10:38:17 GMT, Lisbeth Andersson <lisand@bredband.net>
wrote:
He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and have
children?
How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?
With Pope Benny making pronouncements? I think the first price break
was moved up into scientific notation - 10^10, or something near that.
It's never been lower than a single day's supply.
I finally had to start making my own, take one concrete block add two wires
to your firewire or USB connection, go online.
I still end up buying concrete blocks by the truckload, but they are cheaper
than the EAC's (ntie, oc) model.
I set them up, one at a time, in the basement bunker, they tend to last about
3 seconds.
This last weekend I tried to set up one that would last longer, all I got out
of it was a small earthquake in NE Kansas. (Note to self, do NOT do that
again!)
Only the third noticeable quake in the area in more then a hundred years.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³The universe is bigger than me. It doesn't care about me. That's fine -
because I care about me. I'd like to continue to do the things I do, and to
do other things as well. So these things will eventually end. It still
matters to me that they happen.
The realization that life belongs to me, and not to some god or some
minister, and that I could decide what to make of it - that was a truly
liberating moment for me.³-Eyelessgame
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:43:32 PM |
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On 24 Mar 2007 21:20:13 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
It's about time. When is the rest of the world going to lose its
infantile need for a father figure in the sky?
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| User: "Scotius" |
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26 Mar 2007 01:24:40 AM |
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On 24 Mar 2007 21:20:13 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
Odd. I just read a piece here on Usenet where it's said
Europeans see a big future ahead, and while they see themselves as
much more powerful internationally, they see the US as much less so. I
guess sometimes the papacy decides to engage in pro-European PR.
AP ^ | Mar 24, 2007 | FRANCES D'EMILIO
Posted on 03/24/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Europe appears to be losing faith in its own
future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous
individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer
children.
"One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road
which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told
bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the
signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of
today's European Union.
Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile"-
though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent
for decades.
In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides
putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties
for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism,
careless about the consequences for the future."
"You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing
faith in its own future," Benedict said.
A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the
lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.
Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the
unemployment rate-at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about
losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often
until it is too late.
Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed
a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the
hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a
nation."
Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per
women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a
small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.
Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but
they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a
sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well
into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.
Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press
recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have
more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.
Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family
friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave,
has experienced a baby boom.
France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-
century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's
graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.
A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary
to keep a population from shrinking.
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| User: "*Anarcissie*" |
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26 Mar 2007 08:50:42 AM |
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On Mar 26, 2:24 am, Scotius <wolvz...@mnsi.net> wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 21:20:13 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
Odd. I just read a piece here on Usenet where it's said
Europeans see a big future ahead, and while they see themselves as
much more powerful internationally, they see the US as much less so. I
guess sometimes the papacy decides to engage in pro-European PR.
A lot of that has to do with the disastrous regime of Bush,
which has pretty much put an end to American world
hegemony, although the fact that Europe, Russia and
the states of east Asia are not ruled by God-botherers can
only help them.
As for the Muslims, if there get to be too many of them
in Europe, the Europeans can exchange them for
Mexicans with the U.S. The Mexicans are Catholics
and speak a European language and will get along fine.
The Muslims, at least the religious ones, will fit right
in in the cultural desert of America and can preach
hell and damnation to their native fundamentalist
counterparts out in the suburbs and be preached
upon in turn. Maybe they'll even kill one another,
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:55:15 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 06:50:42 -0700, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcissie@gmail.com>
wrote:
As for the Muslims, if there get to be too many of them
in Europe, the Europeans can exchange them for
Mexicans with the U.S. The Mexicans are Catholics
and speak a European language and will get along fine.
The Muslims, at least the religious ones, will fit right
in in the cultural desert of America and can preach
hell and damnation to their native fundamentalist
counterparts out in the suburbs and be preached
upon in turn. Maybe they'll even kill one another,
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
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27 Mar 2007 02:14:31 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "brique" |
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27 Mar 2007 04:24:03 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:v2ri03pskvst6moqc6epqm7gli6gc7f0j4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
Do you have some statistics to back up that comment or did you find them on
a nazi web page, you know, the kind you consider tell it as it is in plain
and simple terms?
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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27 Mar 2007 09:31:52 PM |
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Al Klein:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
James A. Donald:
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
"brique"
Do you have some statistics to back up that comment
Well I did not know any statistics, but I was familiar with various
examples of prominent and senior Islamic preachers urging the "youths"
to go at it.
But since you asked, I then googled Muslim Rape, and got a sackload of
statistics. http://www.google.com/search?q=Muslim+rape
Check them out.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| Title: Re: Europe Losing Faith In Its Pope |
28 Mar 2007 03:14:48 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim
population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of
the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes.
Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
James A. Donald:
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
"brique"
Do you have some statistics to back up that comment
Well I did not know any statistics,
There's a surprise.......
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Losing Faith In Its Pope |
29 Mar 2007 10:17:47 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:14:48 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:cdkj03918oap8cp4hu15kr8bahogm6oevf@4ax.com...
Al Klein:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim
population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of
the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes.
Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
James A. Donald:
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
"brique"
Do you have some statistics to back up that comment
Well I did not know any statistics,
There's a surprise.......
Gee, dishonesty. That's a surprise too.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Losing Faith In Its Pope |
29 Mar 2007 10:10:47 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:14:31 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population
(and a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the
Moslems pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you
couldn't tell most of them from immigrants from any other part of the
world, unless you stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some
of them wear traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a
young girl working as a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and
skirt), but the speech of a native-born teenager doesn't seem to
change based on religion.
Chances are, however, that your prospects of being raped, or of
getting away with rape, vary radically with your religion.
Around here? I think the women who are at greatest risk around here
are WASCs, and their greatest risk is from WASCs. Or maybe black AS
Christians, in some towns.
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| User: "Mantar, Feyelno nek dusa" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Losing Faith In Its Pope |
27 Mar 2007 04:16:11 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:15 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population (and
a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the Moslems
pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you couldn't tell
most of them from immigrants from any other part of the world, unless you
stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some of them wear
traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a young girl working as
a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and skirt), but the speech of a
native-born teenager doesn't seem to change based on religion.
.. The hell, you say! What are you trying to do, throw the monkey-wrench
of reasonable discourse into some good old Muslim-hatin' gears?
Why, I hear them Muslamoid Arabiacs don't bleed like you 'n me. They got
green blood, and they eat Europeans at night and steal their bodies!
It's true! The President of Amway said so, according to the
WorldNetDaily, as reported by Free Republic.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Losing Faith In Its Pope |
29 Mar 2007 10:12:03 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:16:11 GMT, "Mantar, Feyelno nek dusa"
<mantar.feyelno@YourPantiesSirWilliamfrontiernet.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:15 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
Actually, where I live we have a pretty decent-size Muslim population (and
a decent-size Mexican population) but, aside from the way the Moslems
pray, when they eat (and don't) and what they celebrate, you couldn't tell
most of them from immigrants from any other part of the world, unless you
stood outside a halal butcher and took notes. Some of them wear
traditional dress (it's still a bit strange to see a young girl working as
a supermarket checker wearing a head scarf and skirt), but the speech of a
native-born teenager doesn't seem to change based on religion.
.. The hell, you say! What are you trying to do, throw the monkey-wrench
of reasonable discourse into some good old Muslim-hatin' gears?
Why, I hear them Muslamoid Arabiacs don't bleed like you 'n me. They got
green blood, and they eat Europeans at night and steal their bodies!
It's true! The President of Amway said so, according to the
WorldNetDaily, as reported by Free Republic.
You should really give credit to Faux News when you steal some of
their worst stuff.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 03:46:42 AM |
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On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 05:53:11 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 01:50:23 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:53:11 GMT there was an Ancient "H Dickmann"
<herpem@bigpond.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Actually, he leads no one. He has no real power outside the church
hierarchy, and many Catholics ignore the Vatican (or just leave the
chruch for good.)
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 10:18:07 AM |
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On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says? For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 02:46:36 PM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says?
No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws, even
if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a member
of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
deserted island.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 06:09:48 PM |
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H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says?
No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws, even
if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a member
of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
deserted island.
And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of his
club what to do?
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 06:45:09 PM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says?
No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
even
if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
member
of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
deserted island.
And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
his
club what to do?
You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what is
good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Europe Losing Faith In Its Future |
25 Mar 2007 09:40:38 PM |
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H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:9QDNh.1707$M.995@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
to
say because...?
He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says?
No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
even
if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
member
of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
deserted island.
And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
his
club what to do?
You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what
is
good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?
Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted. You
deserve each other.
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