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User: "Fredric L. Rice"
Date: 20 Dec 2005 12:11:03 AM
Object: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On
http://alternet.org/rights/29466/
December 19, 2005
The Pro-Life Continuum
By David Morris
From sperm to zygote to fetus to baby, isn't it time we brought some
precision to the language of the reproductive rights debate?

In anticipation of the upcoming hearings on the nomination of Samuel
Alito to the Supreme Court I offer the following modest proposal:
we should dispense with all-encompassing and ultimately meaningless
labels like pro-life and pro-abortion.
I've never met anyone who is anti-life, and very, very few who might
be considered pro-abortion.
Engage the issues involved more precisely.
Label people based on where they fall in the chronological continuum
between life and birth.
Let's begin with sperm.
Many "pro-lifers" are really pro-sperm.
Basically, they insist that the sperm has an inalienable right to try
to get to the egg.
Joe Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League once even flatly
announced that he thought contraception was "disgusting."
The Pope and many Christian fundamentalists fall into the pro-sperm
category (although as we shall see, only relatively recently did the
Catholic Church itself adopt that position).
In the 1990s, after 300 out of 1,000 students in one Chicago high
school became pregnant and the school established a birth control
clinic, the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin lashed out at the
"contraceptive culture."
When Judge Bork advocated reversing the 1965 Supreme Court decision
overturning state laws that made it illegal for married couples to buy
contraceptives, he was clearly pro-sperm.
The vast majority of the U.S. population are not pro-sperm.
Despite admonitions about the sinfulness of contraception by the last
dozen popes, two-thirds of all American Catholic women now practice
birth control.
I suspect that most conservatives aren't pro-sperm, either.
They belong in the next chronological category: pro-zygote.
They believe that once fertilized, the egg must be protected at all
costs.
The furor over the morning-after pill has thrust the pro-zygoters onto
center stage in the reproductive rights debate.
Last July, when Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney vetoed legislation
that would have allowed Plan B, the morning-after pill, to be sold
without a prescription, he insisted, "If it only dealt with
contraception, I wouldn't have a problem with it."
In other words, if the morning-after pill prevented fertilization, he
would support it.
But it doesn't.
Rather, it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine
wall, or induces bleeding to dislodge it.
Romney intervened to protect the zygote.
Those who would invoke the name of the Lord to justify protecting the
zygote run up against a challenging reality.
Over 50 percent of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted,
washed out before they attach to the womb.
Some 15 percent of the attached eggs themselves are aborted
spontaneously.
It is hard to figure out God's will in all of this.
I firmly believe that mainstream America is neither pro-sperm nor
pro-zygote.
It is pro-fetus.
Within this category, the debate revolves around when in the fetus'
development it gains the right of personhood.
For 1,400 years the Catholic Church did not teach that life begins at
conception.
It embraced the view that a fetus is first endowed with a vegetative
soul; then an animal soul; and when its body is fully developed, a
rational, human soul.
At the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent II proposed that
"quickening," the time when women first feel the fetus move, should be
the moment at which abortion becomes homicide.
In 1591, Pope Gregory XIV proclaimed that quickening occurs after 116
days, or 16 weeks.
Only in 1869 did Pope Pius IX declare contraception itself the point
at which human life begins.
This was written into Canon Law in 1917.
All popes before Pius IX likely would have supported Roe v. Wade.
In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court permitted states to impose increasing
restrictions depending on the age of the fetus.
In the first 12 weeks, largely coinciding with the traditional
definition of the time before "quickening," the Court prohibited
states from imposing any restrictions.
In the second trimester, states may regulate abortion procedures to
protect the health of the woman.
In the third trimester, after 24 weeks, when fetuses can live outside
the womb, states may restrict abortions.
To inform pro-fetus advocates, it may be instructive to know that
about 90 percent of abortions occur before the 12th week.
Only 1 percent occur after the 20th week.
And many second-trimester abortions occur, according to the Alan
Guttmacher Institute, because state laws erect barriers to pregnant
women having the procedure more quickly.
One more category should be added to our pro-life continuum: pro-baby.
Regrettably, many religious conservatives act as if life begins at
conception and ends at birth.
It is remarkable how closely pro-life and anti-baby policies track one
another.
A comprehensive review of abortion and child welfare policies in all
50 states found that states with the most restrictive abortion laws
spend the least on education, facilitating adoption and nurturing poor
babies.
The labels we use should more precisely reflect the complexity of the
reproductive rights debate.
One way to do this is to abandon the empty term, "pro-life," and adopt
labels that more accurately reflect a person's values and policies.
Pro-sperm. Pro-zygote. Pro-fetus. Pro-baby. Where do you stand?
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
.

User: "Roy. Just Roy."

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 09:49:23 AM

At the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent II proposed that "quickening," the time when women first feel the fetus move <<

This is incorrect. As any intelligent poster would know, the
"quickening" is when Adrian Paul schleps around Paris cutting off
people's heads with a sword, to the complete and utter befuddlement of
law enforcement agencies. I mean, c'mon people, the guy wears a
trenchcoat in July, is it REALLY that hard to miss a 3-foot katana?

Pro-sperm. Pro-zygote. Pro-fetus. Pro-baby. Where do you stand? <<

Pro-jacking off. And believe me, with all the practice I've had, I do
mean PRO.
/Roy
.
User: "Bret Ludwig"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 07:08:31 PM
I'm pro-abortion. Some people should have been snuffed in utero,
anyone can see that. look at Manson, Bundy, Gacy...Or Fredericunt.
.


User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 12:24:05 AM
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:11:03 GMT,
(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

December 19, 2005

for those of you who don't have Fred Rice killfiled, he thinks that
spamming his 14-year-old's twaddle to five newsgroups is the same as
having some clue. He's SO KEWL! He says BAD THINGS!
He was bragging a month or two ago about how he feeds his whole family
of 5 on one packet of top ramen. I guess that makes him an
ultra-liberal-warrior.
If you did have him killfiled and are wondering why you are seeing him
again, he changes his posting name a little from time to time because
otherwise everybody ignores him.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
If someone doesn't have every Monty Python movie
memorized, the Hitch Hiker's Guide memorized, and every
idiot comment from the movie Airplane memorized, what do
they do for fun? Watch "Wheel of Fortune?"
- Fredric L Rice

.
User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 12:48:17 AM
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:24:05 -0800, Zapanaz
<http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:11:03 GMT,

(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

December 19, 2005


for those of you who don't have Fred Rice killfiled, he thinks that
spamming his 14-year-old's twaddle to five newsgroups is the same as
having some clue. He's SO KEWL! He says BAD THINGS!

He was bragging a month or two ago about how he feeds his whole family
of 5 on one packet of top ramen. I guess that makes him an
ultra-liberal-warrior.


If you did have him killfiled and are wondering why you are seeing him
again, he changes his posting name a little from time to time because
otherwise everybody ignores him.

ah yes but no.
sufi is he who whirls, the perfume seller, the fluttering bird's
wings. We are all sufi.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
ah yes but no.
sufi is he who whirls, the perfume seller, the fluttering bird's
wings. We are all sufi.

.
User: "Jesus H Christ"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 07:56:42 AM
Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote in
news:u8afq1da5ts787q21irc4dhb2luilqeifb@4ax.com:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:24:05 -0800, Zapanaz
<http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:11:03 GMT,

(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

December 19, 2005


for those of you who don't have Fred Rice killfiled, he thinks that

[rant deleted]

ah yes but no.

sufi is he who whirls, the perfume seller, the fluttering bird's
wings. We are all sufi.

WTF? Chill out, dude. And what's with the followup to yourself?
Psychosis, imposter or post-impulse regret?
jesus
.
User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 04:38:32 PM
On 20 Dec 2005 23:56:42 +1000, Jesus H Christ
<jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote:

Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote in
news:u8afq1da5ts787q21irc4dhb2luilqeifb@4ax.com:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:24:05 -0800, Zapanaz
<http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:11:03 GMT,

(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

December 19, 2005


for those of you who don't have Fred Rice killfiled, he thinks that


[rant deleted]

ah yes but no.

sufi is he who whirls, the perfume seller, the fluttering bird's
wings. We are all sufi.


WTF? Chill out, dude. And what's with the followup to yourself?

Psychosis, imposter or post-impulse regret?


you're asking me?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton,
you may as well make it dance.
~ George Bernard Shaw

.

User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 11:58:23 AM
On 20 Dec 2005 23:56:42 +1000, Jesus H Christ
<jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote:

Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote in
news:u8afq1da5ts787q21irc4dhb2luilqeifb@4ax.com:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:24:05 -0800, Zapanaz
<http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:11:03 GMT,

(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

December 19, 2005


for those of you who don't have Fred Rice killfiled, he thinks that


[rant deleted]

ah yes but no.

sufi is he who whirls, the perfume seller, the fluttering bird's
wings. We are all sufi.


WTF? Chill out, dude. And what's with the followup to yourself?

Psychosis, imposter or post-impulse regret?


you're asking me?
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!

.



User: "Fredric L. Rice"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 10:55:52 AM
Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
Try again, Pink!
http://alternet.org/rights/29466/
December 19, 2005
The Pro-Life Continuum
By David Morris
From sperm to zygote to fetus to baby, isn't it time we brought some
precision to the language of the reproductive rights debate?

In anticipation of the upcoming hearings on the nomination of Samuel
Alito to the Supreme Court I offer the following modest proposal:
we should dispense with all-encompassing and ultimately meaningless
labels like pro-life and pro-abortion.
I've never met anyone who is anti-life, and very, very few who might
be considered pro-abortion.
Engage the issues involved more precisely.
Label people based on where they fall in the chronological continuum
between life and birth.
Let's begin with sperm.
Many "pro-lifers" are really pro-sperm.
Basically, they insist that the sperm has an inalienable right to try
to get to the egg.
Joe Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League once even flatly
announced that he thought contraception was "disgusting."
The Pope and many Christian fundamentalists fall into the pro-sperm
category (although as we shall see, only relatively recently did the
Catholic Church itself adopt that position).
In the 1990s, after 300 out of 1,000 students in one Chicago high
school became pregnant and the school established a birth control
clinic, the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin lashed out at the
"contraceptive culture."
When Judge Bork advocated reversing the 1965 Supreme Court decision
overturning state laws that made it illegal for married couples to buy
contraceptives, he was clearly pro-sperm.
The vast majority of the U.S. population are not pro-sperm.
Despite admonitions about the sinfulness of contraception by the last
dozen popes, two-thirds of all American Catholic women now practice
birth control.
I suspect that most conservatives aren't pro-sperm, either.
They belong in the next chronological category: pro-zygote.
They believe that once fertilized, the egg must be protected at all
costs.
The furor over the morning-after pill has thrust the pro-zygoters onto
center stage in the reproductive rights debate.
Last July, when Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney vetoed legislation
that would have allowed Plan B, the morning-after pill, to be sold
without a prescription, he insisted, "If it only dealt with
contraception, I wouldn't have a problem with it."
In other words, if the morning-after pill prevented fertilization, he
would support it.
But it doesn't.
Rather, it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine
wall, or induces bleeding to dislodge it.
Romney intervened to protect the zygote.
Those who would invoke the name of the Lord to justify protecting the
zygote run up against a challenging reality.
Over 50 percent of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted,
washed out before they attach to the womb.
Some 15 percent of the attached eggs themselves are aborted
spontaneously.
It is hard to figure out God's will in all of this.
I firmly believe that mainstream America is neither pro-sperm nor
pro-zygote.
It is pro-fetus.
Within this category, the debate revolves around when in the fetus'
development it gains the right of personhood.
For 1,400 years the Catholic Church did not teach that life begins at
conception.
It embraced the view that a fetus is first endowed with a vegetative
soul; then an animal soul; and when its body is fully developed, a
rational, human soul.
At the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent II proposed that
"quickening," the time when women first feel the fetus move, should be
the moment at which abortion becomes homicide.
In 1591, Pope Gregory XIV proclaimed that quickening occurs after 116
days, or 16 weeks.
Only in 1869 did Pope Pius IX declare contraception itself the point
at which human life begins.
This was written into Canon Law in 1917.
All popes before Pius IX likely would have supported Roe v. Wade.
In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court permitted states to impose increasing
restrictions depending on the age of the fetus.
In the first 12 weeks, largely coinciding with the traditional
definition of the time before "quickening," the Court prohibited
states from imposing any restrictions.
In the second trimester, states may regulate abortion procedures to
protect the health of the woman.
In the third trimester, after 24 weeks, when fetuses can live outside
the womb, states may restrict abortions.
To inform pro-fetus advocates, it may be instructive to know that
about 90 percent of abortions occur before the 12th week.
Only 1 percent occur after the 20th week.
And many second-trimester abortions occur, according to the Alan
Guttmacher Institute, because state laws erect barriers to pregnant
women having the procedure more quickly.
One more category should be added to our pro-life continuum: pro-baby.
Regrettably, many religious conservatives act as if life begins at
conception and ends at birth.
It is remarkable how closely pro-life and anti-baby policies track one
another.
A comprehensive review of abortion and child welfare policies in all
50 states found that states with the most restrictive abortion laws
spend the least on education, facilitating adoption and nurturing poor
babies.
The labels we use should more precisely reflect the complexity of the
reproductive rights debate.
One way to do this is to abandon the empty term, "pro-life," and adopt
labels that more accurately reflect a person's values and policies.
Pro-sperm. Pro-zygote. Pro-fetus. Pro-baby. Where do you stand?
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 20 Dec 2005 11:40:33 AM
In article <11qgdq1n8fc6v71@corp.supernews.com>
writes:

Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

Try again, Pink!

http://alternet.org/rights/29466/

December 19, 2005
The Pro-Life Continuum
By David Morris

From sperm to zygote to fetus to baby, isn't it time we brought some
precision to the language of the reproductive rights debate?

In anticipation of the upcoming hearings on the nomination of Samuel
Alito to the Supreme Court I offer the following modest proposal:

we should dispense with all-encompassing and ultimately meaningless
labels like pro-life and pro-abortion.

I've never met anyone who is anti-life, and very, very few who might
be considered pro-abortion.

Engage the issues involved more precisely.

Label people based on where they fall in the chronological continuum
between life and birth.

Let's begin with sperm.

Many "pro-lifers" are really pro-sperm.

Basically, they insist that the sperm has an inalienable right to try
to get to the egg.

Joe Scheidler, founder of the Pro-Life Action League once even flatly
announced that he thought contraception was "disgusting."

The Pope and many Christian fundamentalists fall into the pro-sperm
category (although as we shall see, only relatively recently did the
Catholic Church itself adopt that position).

In the 1990s, after 300 out of 1,000 students in one Chicago high
school became pregnant and the school established a birth control
clinic, the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin lashed out at the
"contraceptive culture."

When Judge Bork advocated reversing the 1965 Supreme Court decision
overturning state laws that made it illegal for married couples to buy
contraceptives, he was clearly pro-sperm.

The vast majority of the U.S. population are not pro-sperm.

Despite admonitions about the sinfulness of contraception by the last
dozen popes, two-thirds of all American Catholic women now practice
birth control.

I suspect that most conservatives aren't pro-sperm, either.

They belong in the next chronological category: pro-zygote.

They believe that once fertilized, the egg must be protected at all
costs.

The furor over the morning-after pill has thrust the pro-zygoters onto
center stage in the reproductive rights debate.

Last July, when Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney vetoed legislation
that would have allowed Plan B, the morning-after pill, to be sold
without a prescription, he insisted, "If it only dealt with
contraception, I wouldn't have a problem with it."

In other words, if the morning-after pill prevented fertilization, he
would support it.

But it doesn't.

Rather, it prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine
wall, or induces bleeding to dislodge it.

Romney intervened to protect the zygote.

Those who would invoke the name of the Lord to justify protecting the
zygote run up against a challenging reality.

Over 50 percent of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted,
washed out before they attach to the womb.

Some 15 percent of the attached eggs themselves are aborted
spontaneously.

It is hard to figure out God's will in all of this.

I firmly believe that mainstream America is neither pro-sperm nor
pro-zygote.

It is pro-fetus.

Within this category, the debate revolves around when in the fetus'
development it gains the right of personhood.

For 1,400 years the Catholic Church did not teach that life begins at
conception.

It embraced the view that a fetus is first endowed with a vegetative
soul; then an animal soul; and when its body is fully developed, a
rational, human soul.

At the beginning of the 13th century, Pope Innocent II proposed that
"quickening," the time when women first feel the fetus move, should be
the moment at which abortion becomes homicide.

In 1591, Pope Gregory XIV proclaimed that quickening occurs after 116
days, or 16 weeks.

Only in 1869 did Pope Pius IX declare contraception itself the point
at which human life begins.

This was written into Canon Law in 1917.

All popes before Pius IX likely would have supported Roe v. Wade.

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court permitted states to impose increasing
restrictions depending on the age of the fetus.

In the first 12 weeks, largely coinciding with the traditional
definition of the time before "quickening," the Court prohibited
states from imposing any restrictions.

In the second trimester, states may regulate abortion procedures to
protect the health of the woman.

In the third trimester, after 24 weeks, when fetuses can live outside
the womb, states may restrict abortions.

To inform pro-fetus advocates, it may be instructive to know that
about 90 percent of abortions occur before the 12th week.

Only 1 percent occur after the 20th week.

And many second-trimester abortions occur, according to the Alan
Guttmacher Institute, because state laws erect barriers to pregnant
women having the procedure more quickly.

One more category should be added to our pro-life continuum: pro-baby.

Regrettably, many religious conservatives act as if life begins at
conception and ends at birth.

It is remarkable how closely pro-life and anti-baby policies track one
another.

A comprehensive review of abortion and child welfare policies in all
50 states found that states with the most restrictive abortion laws
spend the least on education, facilitating adoption and nurturing poor
babies.

The labels we use should more precisely reflect the complexity of the
reproductive rights debate.

One way to do this is to abandon the empty term, "pro-life," and adopt
labels that more accurately reflect a person's values and policies.

Pro-sperm. Pro-zygote. Pro-fetus. Pro-baby. Where do you stand?

Excellent. Excellent.
-- cary
.

User: "st bubba"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 26 Dec 2005 12:43:03 AM
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:55:52 GMT,
(Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:

Try again, Pink!

http://alternet.org/rights/29466/

December 19, 2005
The Pro-Life Continuum
By David Morris

From sperm to zygote to fetus to baby, isn't it time we brought some
precision to the language of the reproductive rights debate?

etc.....
well OF COURSE!! some guy somewhere wrote something about it so by
GOLLY it must be GOSPIL TREWTH!! if sperm is sentient, my sweat socks
as a teenager would be ruling, if not the world, say....Bolivia, by
now. and every one of us would be guilty of mass infanticide every
time we jerked off over the toilet to visions of lexa doig having
tentacle sex with cthhulhu.
st bubba
.
User: "HellPope Huey"

Title: Re: Pope is Pro Sperm: A Whole Lotta Fucking Going On 26 Dec 2005 05:21:58 PM
st bubba wrote:

.... and every one of us would be guilty of mass infanticide every

time we jerked off over the toilet to visions of lexa doig having
tentacle sex with cthhulhu.

Doin' the what over the huh with the what of who? I don't know if that
sounded more sinister or just insane. Its a thin line these days, so I
just got a little double vision, trying to vote mentally between true
horror and mere grotesquerie. LOTS of MG on parade now, ayuh, yea
verily. My bones are blackebed by the heat... I am a cousin to lizards
and a brother to owls.
--
HellPope Huey
Run it up the flagpole,
see who can shoot it off first
Purtiest ***** country you ever seen,
but they ain't nice to you, them folks.
They're so scairt an' worried,
they ain't even nice to each other.
~ John Steinbeck. "The Grapes of Wrath''
"I'm sweating like J. Edgar Hoover
trying to squeeze into a new girdle."
~ "Futurama," The Head of Richard Nixon
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