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"words of truth" |
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10 Dec 2005 11:47:22 PM |
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Pope: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/en_afp/vaticanreligionpopeanniversary_051208160735
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Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Thu Dec 8,11:07 AM ET
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom", Benedict
XVI said Thursday.
But "if we live against love and against truth -- against God -- then
we are destroying ourselves and we are destroying the world", he
warned.
Human history was like "the battle between man and the serpent, the
battle between man and the forces of evil and death", he said.
"Man does not have confidence in God," Benedict XVI said. "He nurtures
the doubt that God ultimately takes something from his life, that God
is a competitor who limits our freedom and that we cannot be human
beings without casting him aside."
"But the liberty to be a human being is the liberty of a limited
being," he added.
Benedict XVI described the Second Vatican Council as "the most
important ecclesiastical event of the 20th century", as he gave the
Angelus blessing in Saint Peter's Square on the holiday of the
Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary.
Since the Council, he said, Mary had guided the Church "on the road of
authentic, conciliatory renewal, through tireless work on the faithful
interpretation and the implementation of the Second Vatican Council."
Preferring to dedicate his address to the theme of original sin and
man's temptation to relinquish God, Benedict XVI made no reference to
any current-day issues.
After the Angelus, the pope blessed the Olympic flame which arrived in
Italy Wednesday ahead of the Winter Olympics to be held in Turin in
February.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 07:18:25 PM |
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And how much nose candy have you had, young man?
Paul
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 02:15:17 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> writes:
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
The pope doesn't know his own bible: The world will end when God
wants it to, and nothing we can do will change His timetable.
Elf
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 02:35:54 AM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134280042.474669.226570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/en_afp/vaticanreligionpopeanniversary_051208160735
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536555/posts
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Thu Dec 8,11:07 AM ET
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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11 Dec 2005 05:02:29 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134280042.474669.226570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/en_afp/vaticanreligionpopeanniversary_051208160735
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536555/posts
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Thu Dec 8,11:07 AM ET
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
The Pope is using code.
'man's refusal' == current enemies of Papacy
'will of God' == Roman Papal System
'destruction of the world' == more aggravation in terms of Rome trying
to hold onto what residual power remains
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 06:36:13 AM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134280042.474669.226570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/en_afp/vaticanreligionpopeanniversary_051208160735
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536555/posts
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Thu Dec 8,11:07 AM ET
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
The Pope is using code.
'man's refusal' == current enemies of Papacy
'will of God' == Roman Papal System
'destruction of the world' == more aggravation in terms of Rome trying
to hold onto what residual power remains
It's not the most covert of codes, though, is it? Notice it didn't
stop him from drowning those sorrows in celebration with vintage
Sangria Deo.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 06:39:37 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134280042.474669.226570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051208/en_afp/vaticanreligionpopeanniversary_051208160735
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536555/posts
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Thu Dec 8,11:07 AM ET
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
Well, if we all wait long enough, the sun will expand and engulf us and
I dare say, if there are still Christians by then, they'll blame it on
the sins of man.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 06:54:26 AM |
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On 11 Dec 2005 04:39:37 -0800, "PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com"
<PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, if we all wait long enough, the sun will expand and engulf us and
I dare say, if there are still Christians by then, they'll blame it on
the sins of man.
Yep, if not for the sins of man, we would **BE** spending eternity in the loving
arms of God, all of us including you and me..
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 07:38:03 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 11 Dec 2005 04:39:37 -0800, "PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com"
<PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, if we all wait long enough, the sun will expand and engulf us and
I dare say, if there are still Christians by then, they'll blame it on
the sins of man.
Yep, if not for the sins of man, we would **BE** spending eternity in the loving
arms of God, all of us including you and me..
In due time, thanks. I don't hate my life so much that I want to end
it quite yet. And believe me, it's FAR from perfect.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 07:29:59 PM |
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in article l98op1pi19153dcqkitoor5bv6u8l3ltji@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 12/11/05 7:54 AM:
On 11 Dec 2005 04:39:37 -0800, "PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com"
<PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, if we all wait long enough, the sun will expand and engulf us and
I dare say, if there are still Christians by then, they'll blame it on
the sins of man.
Yep, if not for the sins of man, we would **BE** spending eternity in the
loving
arms of God, all of us including you and me..
I'm not sure who I want to be around less...God or Duke.
Paul
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| User: "duke" |
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11 Dec 2005 06:52:50 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:35:54 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
It's not a religion. God created the universe and all in it according to his
will, and it will one day come to an end according to his will.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "" |
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11 Dec 2005 07:39:47 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:35:54 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
VATICAN CITY (AFP)
Pope Benedict XVI warned that man's refusal to submit to the will of
God would lead to the destruction of the world, as he celebrated a mass
to mark the 40th anniversary of the conclusion of the Second Vatican
Council.
WTF? According to the bible the world will be destroyed no matter what we
do.
Wonderful religion, that.
It's not a religion. God created the universe and all in it according to his
will, and it will one day come to an end according to his will.
So, then, there's no need to worry about what we do if it's all God's
will. I have no argument with that other than that I tend to think
intentions count for a lot.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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11 Dec 2005 08:54:35 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, words of truth poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
....
Pope: Living against God will lead to world's end
Can't see a problem here, since you christians live to see the end of
your sorrowful time on earth.
Regards,
Josef
The priest rules through the invention of sin.
-- Nietzsche
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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11 Dec 2005 12:06:08 AM |
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On 10 Dec 2005 21:47:22 -0800, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> spake thusly:
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom",
Benedict XVI said Thursday.
That's true, He gains his freedom from the binding
that sin puts us under.
But "if we live against love and against truth -- against God -- then
we are destroying ourselves and we are destroying the world", he
warned.
That becomes obvious by looking around. :)
"But the liberty to be a human being is the liberty of a limited
being," he added.
And that is what people, in their arrogance, do not
seem to understand.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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11 Dec 2005 12:52:42 AM |
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Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in
news:o9gnp11i09dkudib0aen2t0lmkdoafhbkf@4ax.com:
On 10 Dec 2005 21:47:22 -0800, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> spake thusly:
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom",
Benedict XVI said Thursday.
That's true, He gains his freedom from the binding
that sin puts us under.
Man gains freedom by submitting to the wishes of a nut called the pope? If
we listened to him every woman would be pregnant and every man broke and
that is for starters.
When is a man a slave? When he submits to an invisible being that talks to
only one man who happens to be the only man who is "holy" enough.
*****. God only talks to one man? Wake up people!!!!
But "if we live against love and against truth -- against God -- then
we are destroying ourselves and we are destroying the world", he
warned.
That becomes obvious by looking around. :)
Nearly every pope has said that. This is nothing new.
For the RCC to say that truth, love and God is a good thing is like Hitler
saying that people should be treated with kindness and understanding.
It only took them about 350 years to say they were sorry for the
persecution of Galileo. At this rate we should expect an apology for the
RC clergy who have taken liberties with boys in about 2356.
Saying that God is love and truth is like saying that
"But the liberty to be a human being is the liberty of a limited
being," he added.
And that is what people, in their arrogance, do not
seem to understand.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? This is akin to reading
the Declaration of Independence and at the end saying, "Poker is fun".
"words of truth"??? *****!
pierce
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| User: "Flowerchild" |
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11 Dec 2005 12:57:33 AM |
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Would'nt it be great if the next pope would not allow people to bow
down before him?...Even an Angel of the LORD would quickly say "DONT DO
THAT!, I am a fellow servant of the LORD Jesus Christ just as you
are"...if you were to bow even before an Angel of the LORD.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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11 Dec 2005 02:25:12 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote
When is a man a slave? When he submits to an invisible being that talks
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only one man who happens to be the only man who is "holy" enough.
*****. God only talks to one man? Wake up people!!!!
People don't have the sort of autonomy you are claiming.
If you refuse to allow the church to rule on your ethical values, you will
find other people and organisations stepping in.
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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11 Dec 2005 07:16:15 AM |
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Op Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:25:12 +0100 schreef Malcolm
<regniztar@btinternet.com>:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote
When is a man a slave? When he submits to an invisible being that talks
to
only one man who happens to be the only man who is "holy" enough.
*****. God only talks to one man? Wake up people!!!!
People don't have the sort of autonomy you are claiming.
Of course we do, we can refuse to bow down and we do. We can refuse to
worship and we do. Besides, what would you have us bow down to, a pixie in
the sky?
If you refuse to allow the church to rule on your ethical values, you
will
find other people and organisations stepping in.
***** them, all of them! I'm not bowing down to them either.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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11 Dec 2005 01:07:56 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:52:42 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in
news:o9gnp11i09dkudib0aen2t0lmkdoafhbkf@4ax.com:
On 10 Dec 2005 21:47:22 -0800, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> spake thusly:
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom",
Benedict XVI said Thursday.
That's true, He gains his freedom from the binding
that sin puts us under.
Man gains freedom by submitting to the wishes of a nut called the pope?
I didn't say anything about submitting to the Pope.
Go misrepresent someone else's words, God hater.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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11 Dec 2005 03:35:26 AM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
snip..
And you forgot to remove alt.atheism *why*?
BTW: News flash, sparky..one cannot hate what one does not believe in.
Do you hate glewwendds?
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"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
And lo, on the 24th hour, there came a sight. A tremendously loud
carriage of red and white appeared on the horizon. It was the magic
chariot of Attwood, Elford and Ahrens. And there was much rejoicing,
because our Lord Ferdinand and the angels from Salzburg saw that it was
good. And a loud voice from atop a large log said, "They have beaten
the worst of them! They have beaten the best of them! Go now, and
proclaim victory throughout the land!"
- Porsche 9:17
http://8w.forix.com/attwood/ra-hh-lm70.jpg
-Panama Floyd, Atl
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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11 Dec 2005 07:13:00 AM |
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Op Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:52:42 +0100 schreef R. Pierce Butler
<spamsucks@google.com>:
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in
news:o9gnp11i09dkudib0aen2t0lmkdoafhbkf@4ax.com:
On 10 Dec 2005 21:47:22 -0800, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> spake thusly:
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom",
Benedict XVI said Thursday.
That's true, He gains his freedom from the binding
that sin puts us under.
How am I bound by sin? Sin is a religious concept and therefore doesn't
apply to me.
Man gains freedom by submitting to the wishes of a nut called the pope?
If
we listened to him every woman would be pregnant and every man broke and
that is for starters.
When is a man a slave? When he submits to an invisible being that talks
to
only one man who happens to be the only man who is "holy" enough.
*****. God only talks to one man? Wake up people!!!!
But "if we live against love and against truth -- against God -- then
we are destroying ourselves and we are destroying the world", he
warned.
Love and the Christian god in the same sentence? Whatever next?
That becomes obvious by looking around. :)
Nearly every pope has said that. This is nothing new.
For the RCC to say that truth, love and God is a good thing is like
Hitler
saying that people should be treated with kindness and understanding.
It only took them about 350 years to say they were sorry for the
persecution of Galileo. At this rate we should expect an apology for the
RC clergy who have taken liberties with boys in about 2356.
Well, haven't they admitted the (present day) Jews are not to be blamed
for killing that Jesus guy? It only took them about 2000 years to do that,
so there's still hope. ;-)
Saying that God is love and truth is like saying that
"But the liberty to be a human being is the liberty of a limited
being," he added.
And that is what people, in their arrogance, do not
seem to understand.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? This is akin to
reading
the Declaration of Independence and at the end saying, "Poker is fun".
"words of truth"??? *****!
"Liar for Jesus" would be a much better name for that person.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Living Against God Will Lead To World's End |
11 Dec 2005 01:30:52 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On 10 Dec 2005 21:47:22 -0800, "words of truth"
<wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> spake thusly:
A man who abandons himself to God "does not lose his freedom",
Benedict XVI said Thursday.
That's true, He gains his freedom from the binding
that sin puts us under.
ah yes, the imaginary binding so beloved by people desperate to assume
everyone else secretly feels as guilty about being alvie as tehy do
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