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10 Mar 2007 02:55:08 AM |
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Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing |
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
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Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white
is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola
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11 Mar 2007 09:34:07 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
--
He remembered the Dylan wrote "With god on our side".
Can't have the armies of the xtian nations going to war without a papal
blessing.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "johac" |
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13 Mar 2007 12:34:55 AM |
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In article <z_2Jh.50484$Fm2.37680@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
--
He remembered the Dylan wrote "With god on our side".
Can't have the armies of the xtian nations going to war without a papal
blessing.
Exactly. Dylan will be always associated with the radicalism on the 60s
and 70s which is why conservatives in and out of the church are against
him.
Smiler,
The godless one
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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12 Mar 2007 01:58:50 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
Or maybe, like me, he thinks that Bob Dylan has a really crappy voice ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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13 Mar 2007 12:30:55 AM |
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In article <55llsoF256qmkU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
Or maybe, like me, he thinks that Bob Dylan has a really crappy voice ;)
His voice has deteriorated with age. I have some of his early records.
He was never a great singer, but more important were his songs, the vast
majority of which he wrote himself. Many of them became anthems of the
civil rights and anti war movements in the '60s and early '70s.
Some like "Masters of War" still ring true today:
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters.html
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "BDK" |
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10 Mar 2007 01:25:52 PM |
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In article <jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com>,
jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net says...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
Maybe the pope just didn't like his "singing". When I was a kid and saw
him on TV the first time, I seriously thought it was a joke. When I
realized it was the real guy, I thought, "WTF is wrong with him?"
I still feel that way.
BDK
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10 Mar 2007 07:03:48 PM |
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In article <MPG.205cd049edb46e4d98aa64@news.buckeye-express.com>,
BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com>,
jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net says...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
Maybe the pope just didn't like his "singing". When I was a kid and saw
him on TV the first time, I seriously thought it was a joke. When I
realized it was the real guy, I thought, "WTF is wrong with him?"
I still feel that way.
I recall him from back in the sixties. He was an icon of the times. Many
of his songs such as 'Blowin' in the Wind' still have resonance today.
Of course whenever I remember 'Masters of War' I cannot help thinking of
Bush and Cheney.
BDK
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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18 Mar 2007 12:46:07 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:03:48 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <MPG.205cd049edb46e4d98aa64@news.buckeye-express.com>,
BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-B38832.00550810032007@news.giganews.com>,
jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net says...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
[]
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETfzjxi
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
Maybe the pope just didn't like his "singing". When I was a kid and saw
him on TV the first time, I seriously thought it was a joke. When I
realized it was the real guy, I thought, "WTF is wrong with him?"
I still feel that way.
I recall him from back in the sixties. He was an icon of the times.
Yes. He, like Joe Cocker, do not have singing voices. However, both
have managed to turn that into their style.
Many
of his songs such as 'Blowin' in the Wind' still have resonance today.
Of course whenever I remember 'Masters of War' I cannot help thinking of
Bush and Cheney.
'Masters?' Sorry, neither of those two cowardly cretins have made it
past the 'Romper Room' level.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "George" |
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10 Mar 2007 01:40:17 PM |
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On Mar 11, 8:25 am, BDK <B...@twilight-express.com> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-B38832.00550810032...@news.giganews.com>,
jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net says...
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETf...
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
Maybe the pope just didn't like his "singing". When I was a kid and saw
him on TV the first time, I seriously thought it was a joke. When I
realized it was the real guy, I thought, "WTF is wrong with him?"
I still feel that way.
Many musicians and singers think that Dylan as a singer is a joke.
As a protest poet he wrote some athems for the protest movement but I
would rate him higher than that
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12 Mar 2007 01:59:33 PM |
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"George" <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:1173555617.337358.279660@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 8:25 am, BDK <B...@twilight-express.com> wrote:
snip
Maybe the pope just didn't like his "singing". When I was a kid and saw
him on TV the first time, I seriously thought it was a joke. When I
realized it was the real guy, I thought, "WTF is wrong with him?"
I still feel that way.
Many musicians and singers think that Dylan as a singer is a joke.
As a protest poet he wrote some athems for the protest movement but I
would rate him higher than that
I think his voice is terrible and I would hardly call what he does
"singing", but that's just me.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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10 Mar 2007 02:02:30 PM |
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On Mar 10, 3:55 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
---
Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
---http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070309/od_nm/pope_dylan_dc;_ylt=Ak7UtETf...
Yzb33R8eRfASH9EA
or
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white
is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola
The profane and the sacred should not mix
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10 Mar 2007 07:05:23 PM |
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In article <1173556950.260730.236600@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 3:55 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I suppose Pope Benny, or Cardinal Ratzi as he was known back then,
didn't like that "The Times They are a-Changin'".
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Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing to John Paul in 1997
By Philip PullellaFri Mar 9, 8:09 AM ET
Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with
the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the
wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on
Thursday.
Benedict, who was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger at the time of the concert
in Bologna, Italy, makes the disclosure in a new book of memoirs about
his predecessor, who died in 2005.
"There was reason to be skeptical, -- I was, and in a certain sense I
still am, -- to doubt if it was really right to let these types of
prophets intervene," Benedict writes, only mentioning Dylan among the
stars who appeared.
At the 1997 concert, Dylan, the anti-conformist troubadour of the 1960s
and one of the 20th century's greatest influences on popular music, sang
three songs before the Pope as part of a concert that included a number
of other, mostly Italian artists.
Dylan sang "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," his 1960s anti-war classic "A
Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall," and "Forever Young," a song of hope and
courage.
In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob
Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."
Benedict is a lover of classical and sacred music, and an accomplished
classical pianist. Last year, he canceled the Vatican's traditional
fund-raising Christmas concert, which was a magnet for pop stars.
Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in
Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian
during his musical career.
At the 1997 concert, John Paul referred to what is perhaps Dylan's most
famous song, "Blowing in the Wind," which became an anthem for young
people seeking meaning in life in the 1960s.
John Paul told the crowd of some 300,000 young Italian Catholics that
the answer was indeed "in the wind" -- but not in the wind that blew
things away, rather "in the wind of the spirit" that would lead them to
Christ.
After Dylan sang, he took off his beige cowboy hat and went up to a
podium to greet John Paul.
Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is
mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious
writings.
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http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
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12 Mar 2007 07:57:31 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
I believe the Pope did meet him personally there though....
In Dylan's recent autobiography he mentions how his (Jewish) grandmother
would repeatedly tell him that the Pope is the king of the Jews.
BAM
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18 Mar 2007 12:47:38 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:57:31 -0400, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
I believe the Pope did meet him personally there though....
In Dylan's recent autobiography he mentions how his (Jewish) grandmother
would repeatedly tell him that the Pope is the king of the Jews.
Does he mention what the basis was for her saying that?
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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18 Mar 2007 04:23:00 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:57:31 -0400, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
I believe the Pope did meet him personally there though....
In Dylan's recent autobiography he mentions how his (Jewish) grandmother
would repeatedly tell him that the Pope is the king of the Jews.
Does he mention what the basis was for her saying that?
Nope - I don't think he ever asked her.
BAM
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24 Mar 2007 12:34:30 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:23:00 -0400, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:57:31 -0400, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
I believe the Pope did meet him personally there though....
In Dylan's recent autobiography he mentions how his (Jewish) grandmother
would repeatedly tell him that the Pope is the king of the Jews.
Does he mention what the basis was for her saying that?
Nope - I don't think he ever asked her.
Probably a reflection of the crucifiction aspect of the story.
Thank you for the reply, Bryan. [I hope I spelled it right]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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11 Mar 2007 11:50:45 AM |
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Bob Dylan is one of the all time great untalented
pretenders to greatness,
a lazy no talent loser who saw the counterculture
as a great way to make a quick buck
and it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams
because of his tireless self promotion.
This loser has NO singing or musical ability
and his sole reason for any success that he
has had is that he has become identified, in the
minds of a generation of aging boomers,
with the happiest years of their long lost
youth.
He soon learned if he makes up stuff that is
sufficently vague, a whole army of
"interpreters" will turn it into another brilliant
echo of the counterculture and individualistic
philosophy that he supposedly stands for
(what utter *****, what nonsense,
what specious crap!).
In videos of his early "performances", he has this look of
amazment on his face (as if to say "well, they have not
booed me or starting tossing tomatoes and apparently everyone
likes this complete *****, what a joke - I'm putting
the fooleys on everyone and nobody knows!!).
Worthless worthless guy.
JImserac
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12 Mar 2007 03:24:06 PM |
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"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob Dylan is one of the all time great untalented
pretenders to greatness,
Pfffft...probably the most covered recording artist of all time.
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12 Mar 2007 03:48:38 PM |
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On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob Dylan is one of the all time great untalented
pretenders to greatness,
Pfffft...probably the most covered recording artist of all time.
You've GOT to be kidding!!
Jimserac
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12 Mar 2007 06:31:41 PM |
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On 12 Mar 2007 13:48:38 -0700 there was an Ancient "Citizen Jimserac"
<Jimserac@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob Dylan is one of the all time great untalented
pretenders to greatness,
Pfffft...probably the most covered recording artist of all time.
You've GOT to be kidding!!
No. People line up to work with Dylan. He is one of the most-covered
artists in history. He single-handly changed American music in the
sixties, bring the singer-songwriter to the fore and writing music
that meant something where before there had been empty pop tunes.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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12 Mar 2007 11:56:15 PM |
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On Mar 12, 6:31 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 12 Mar 2007 13:48:38 -0700 there was an Ancient "CitizenJimserac"
<Jimse...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On Mar 12, 3:24 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173631845.411733.6940@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
Bob Dylan is one of the all time great untalented
pretenders to greatness,
Pfffft...probably the most covered recording artist of all time.
You've GOT to be kidding!!
No. People line up to work with Dylan. He is one of the most-covered
artists in history. He single-handly changed American music in the
sixties, bring the singer-songwriter to the fore and writing music
that meant something where before there had been empty pop tunes.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
He single-handedly changed American music in the 60's?????
You know that David Deutsch is right, there ARE multiple
universes and I've obviously woken up in the wrong one.
Thanks
Jimserac
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13 Mar 2007 08:03:00 AM |
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On 12 Mar 2007 21:56:15 -0700 there was an Ancient "Citizen Jimserac"
<Jimserac@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
He single-handedly changed American music in the 60's?????
You know that David Deutsch is right, there ARE multiple
universes and I've obviously woken up in the wrong one.
No, you are just learning something you didn't know.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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13 Mar 2007 03:00:36 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On 12 Mar 2007 21:56:15 -0700 there was an Ancient "Citizen Jimserac"
<Jimserac@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
He single-handedly changed American music in the 60's?????
You know that David Deutsch is right, there ARE multiple
universes and I've obviously woken up in the wrong one.
No, you are just learning something you didn't know.
That's right...you can pick any number of songs and see how they've been
covered over the years.
A great example is All Along the Watchtower. There's no question that
Dylan's talent lies more in his songwriting and not his performances in the
studio and on the stage. Hendrix took this song to a whole new level. Even
Dylan remarked that Hendrix's version was how he wished he could have played
it.
Among the other bands/artists covering it: U2, Brian Ferry, Clapton, Dave
Mason, dave Matthews, Rusted Root, Taj Mahal, Prince, Lenny Kravitz, The
Dead, Gov't Mule, Robin Trower, Neil Young, Elton John (I ***** you not),
Indigo Girls, Richie Havens, Phish, and XTC.
That's some pretty good company.
Notwithstanding what I said about Dylan's talent in the studion and on the
stage, Dylan's voice, while hardley melodic, is bluesy/folksy much in the
same way as some of the greats including Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, etc. It's
not Sade, for sure, but it has a resonance all its own because of its
quality, not in spite of it.
And it's true that Dylan change the music scene in the 60's, but Douglas'
saying it was singlehandely has to be interpreted as a bit of overstatement
for effect. Dylan was certainly the standard-bearer of the singer-sonwriter
and blazed the path for others like Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Warren
Zevon, and Neil Young.
He brought the popularity of folk music out of the shadows and then (this
was singlehandedly) demolished the distinctions between it and rock with one
famous set at the Newport Folk Festival in '65. Citizen Jimserec said that
Dylan looked startled that people didn't boo him. At Newport, they did, but
Dylan kept playing electric and history was written that day.
More on covers...
Knocking on Heaven's Door: The Dead, Bob Marley, Mark Knopfler, Eric
Clapton, Roger Waters, U2, Guns N' Roses, Warren Zevon, etc.
Lay Lady Lay: The Byrds, The Isley Brothers, Della Reese, Neil Diamond,
Richie Havens, Duran Duran, Isaac Hayes, Buddy Guy, Maria Muldaur, etc.
Like a Rolling Stone: Marley, Hendrix, The Dead, The Stones, Neil Young,
Johhny Thunders, The Byrds, Merle Saunders, etc.
I can go on and on.
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13 Mar 2007 04:53:42 PM |
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On Mar 13, 3:00 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On 12 Mar 2007 21:56:15 -0700 there was an Ancient "CitizenJimserac"
<Jimse...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
He single-handedly changed American music in the 60's?????
You know that David Deutsch is right, there ARE multiple
universes and I've obviously woken up in the wrong one.
No, you are just learning something you didn't know.
That's right...you can pick any number of songs and see how they've been
covered over the years.
A great example is All Along the Watchtower. There's no question that
Dylan's talent lies more in his songwriting and not his performances in the
studio and on the stage. Hendrix took this song to a whole new level. Even
Dylan remarked that Hendrix's version was how he wished he could have played
it.
Among the other bands/artists covering it: U2, Brian Ferry, Clapton, Dave
Mason, dave Matthews, Rusted Root, Taj Mahal, Prince, Lenny Kravitz, The
Dead, Gov't Mule, Robin Trower, Neil Young, Elton John (I ***** you not),
Indigo Girls, Richie Havens, Phish, and XTC.
That's some pretty good company.
Notwithstanding what I said about Dylan's talent in the studion and on the
stage, Dylan's voice, while hardley melodic, is bluesy/folksy much in the
same way as some of the greats including Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, etc. It's
not Sade, for sure, but it has a resonance all its own because of its
quality, not in spite of it.
And it's true that Dylan change the music scene in the 60's, but Douglas'
saying it was singlehandely has to be interpreted as a bit of overstatement
for effect. Dylan was certainly the standard-bearer of the singer-sonwriter
and blazed the path for others like Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Warren
Zevon, and Neil Young.
He brought the popularity of folk music out of the shadows and then (this
was singlehandedly) demolished the distinctions between it and rock with one
famous set at the Newport Folk Festival in '65. Citizen Jimserec said that
Dylan looked startled that people didn't boo him. At Newport, they did, but
Dylan kept playing electric and history was written that day.
More on covers...
Knocking on Heaven's Door: The Dead, Bob Marley, Mark Knopfler, Eric
Clapton, Roger Waters, U2, Guns N' Roses, Warren Zevon, etc.
Lay Lady Lay: The Byrds, The Isley Brothers, Della Reese, Neil Diamond,
Richie Havens, Duran Duran, Isaac Hayes, Buddy Guy, Maria Muldaur, etc.
Like a Rolling Stone: Marley, Hendrix, The Dead, The Stones, Neil Young,
Johhny Thunders, The Byrds, Merle Saunders, etc.
I can go on and on.
Intriguing, absolutely intriguing. So my intutions about his
performances
were not too far off the mark but my evaluation of his significance
and import were. Curious, in those days I lived in Rhode Island but
never went to the Newport festival.
So the bottom line is, is/was he genuine or not - I will decide for
myself, but from the looks of these responses it would appear that he
was, or else is/was a very clever at inventing what he thought the
mass market needed (unlikely). The key can always be found from
their personal lives. Dell Shannon could never identify exactly what
it was he had done despite some acclaim for his comeback album, could
not escape the tragic dead end world he built for himself and imagined
and later committed suicide. It is a kind of creative wall,
unforgiving, reflecting the goals and achievements of an entire
lifetime.
So, for Dylan, I must make re-evaluation. This may take some time.
Thanks
Jimserac
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13 Mar 2007 11:30:40 PM |
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"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Intriguing, absolutely intriguing. So my intutions about his
performances
were not too far off the mark but my evaluation of his significance
and import were. Curious, in those days I lived in Rhode Island but
never went to the Newport festival.
So the bottom line is, is/was he genuine or not - I will decide for
myself, but from the looks of these responses it would appear that he
was, or else is/was a very clever at inventing what he thought the
mass market needed (unlikely). The key can always be found from
their personal lives. Dell Shannon could never identify exactly what
it was he had done despite some acclaim for his comeback album, could
not escape the tragic dead end world he built for himself and imagined
and later committed suicide. It is a kind of creative wall,
unforgiving, reflecting the goals and achievements of an entire
lifetime.
So, for Dylan, I must make re-evaluation. This may take some time.
Enjoy!
I was traveling with a female coworker (~30 years old) the other day and we
had my iPod playing through my car sound system. She asked what my favorite
music was and I told her Dylan, the Dead, and the Old 97's (alt.country).
I didn't expect her to understand, but it just struck me that I'm so old
that I remember the days when having LP's by Dylan and the Dead meant you
were cool. Long time ago.
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11 Mar 2007 06:43:40 PM |
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In article <1173631158.940070.305320@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>,
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
Uh, you're serious aren't you?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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11 Mar 2007 10:48:11 PM |
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On Mar 11, 11:39 am, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2t65ew
The profane and the sacred should not mix
That's why I'm surprised that Dylan even wanted to go there.
Ask Dylan why he did go there... He is still alive isn't he?
he is not like the first monkeys which turned into humans
then disappeared from the face of earth.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.- Hide quoted text -
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Hello Codebreaker:
I commend the pope on his discriminating ear, but he obviously did not
understand that singing off key was simply Dylan's style.
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12 Mar 2007 07:11:34 AM |
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On Mar 11, 10:48 pm, "Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote:
Hello Codebreaker:
I commend the pope on his discriminating ear, but he obviously did not
understand that singing off key was simply Dylan's style.
Excuse me? Dylan has no musical (or any other ability).
He is a complete fraud in my opinion, an opportunist
with no talent who spotted an easy way to make living
without doing any serious work and went for it.
A tireless self promoter, he just sits back, goes through
some motions, and an army of interpreters oohs and ahs
and explains how relevant is his amazing and deep invidualistic
statements and music. WHAT CRAP. Check out some
videos of his early performances, there is a look of complete
astonishment on his face that people were not booing
him right off the stage - he knew right there that he had
tapped on to something and he went with it. Clever? Yes.
But talented? MOST CERTAINLY NOT.
Jimserac
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| User: "Rob Brown" |
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12 Mar 2007 12:31:38 PM |
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"Citizen Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 10:48 pm, "Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote:
Hello Codebreaker:
I commend the pope on his discriminating ear, but he obviously did not
understand that singing off key was simply Dylan's style.
Excuse me? Dylan has no musical (or any other ability).
He is a complete fraud in my opinion, an opportunist
with no talent who spotted an easy way to make living
without doing any serious work and went for it.
A tireless self promoter, he just sits back, goes through
some motions, and an army of interpreters oohs and ahs
and explains how relevant is his amazing and deep invidualistic
statements and music. WHAT CRAP. Check out some
videos of his early performances, there is a look of complete
astonishment on his face that people were not booing
him right off the stage - he knew right there that he had
tapped on to something and he went with it. Clever? Yes.
But talented? MOST CERTAINLY NOT.
Jimserac
Well, there you are! I've been searching for the one person who's opinions
on music, poetry, entertainment and all subjective things, are the only true
and valid opinions.
Now that I've found you I have a few more things I need your dictates on
1) What's the best color, red, green, blue or some other color?
2) What tastes best?
4) What's the best oil painting ever painted?
5) Who's the most beautiful woman alive today?
6) Who's the most handsome man?
7) What's the best book ever written?
Only you would know. I have more but I'll wait for you to give me my
opinion on those before asking for more.
Now let's see.....Dylan, crap, no talent......OK got it.
Rob Brown
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| Title: Re: Pope opposed Bob Dylan singing |
12 Mar 2007 02:38:39 PM |
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On Mar 12, 12:31 pm, "Rob Brown" <bbr...@csmflorida.com> wrote:
"CitizenJimserac" <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173701494.788209.319260@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 10:48 pm, "Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote:
Hello Codebreaker:
I commend the pope on his discriminating ear, but he obviously did not
understand that singing off key was simply Dylan's style.
Excuse me? Dylan has no musical (or any other ability).
He is a complete fraud in my opinion, an opportunist
with no talent who spotted an easy way to make living
without doing any serious work and went for it.
A tireless self promoter, he just sits back, goes through
some motions, and an army of interpreters oohs and ahs
and explains how relevant is his amazing and deep invidualistic
statements and music. WHAT CRAP. Check out some
videos of his early performances, there is a look of complete
astonishment on his face that people were not booing
him right off the stage - he knew right there that he had
tapped on to something and he went with it. Clever? Yes.
But talented? MOST CERTAINLY NOT.
Jimserac
Well, there you are! I've been searching for the one person who's opinions
on music, poetry, entertainment and all subjective things, are the only true
and valid opinions.
Now that I've found you I have a few more things I need your dictates on
1) What's the best color, red, green, blue or some other color?
2) What tastes best?
4) What's the best oil painting ever painted?
5) Who's the most beautiful woman alive today?
6) Who's the most handsome man?
7) What's the best book ever written?
Only you would know. I have more but I'll wait for you to give me my
opinion on those before asking for more.
Now let's see.....Dylan, crap, no talent......OK got it.
Rob Brown
Objections noted and accepted. De Gustibus... etc.
Now you tell me just what the hell Dylan is supposed
to be?? A fourth rate John Lennon without the muscial ability?
A protest "poet" (sic)?? What the hell do people see in his
"works". Cuz I'm convinced its all a money making exploitative
fraud - but hey, that's just my opinion. You like the guy,
you go buy his stuff, but not me.
Jimserac
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