"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

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Pope says family key to peace
By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.

Does anyone anywhere care what popes say? Haven't they become
irrelevant?

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C6453B.00313802012008@news.giganews.com...

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

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Pope says family key to peace
By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.

Does anyone anywhere care what popes say? Haven't they become
irrelevant?

"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-C6453B.00313802012008@news.giganews.com...

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

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Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.

The Pontiff, delivering a traditional New Year prayer for peace,
appeared to take a swipe at efforts in several countries to grant legal
recognition to gay and unwed couples -- although he did not single out
any policies by name.

He said the traditional family led by a husband and wife instilled
values that promote peace,

What a load! The pope has apparently never been at any of in-laws' family
gatherings!

In article <jhachmann-C6453B.00313802012008@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.
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Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

...

"The family is the primary agent of peace and the negation or even the
restriction of rights of the family ...

Since when does a reified abstraction have rights?

In article <jhachmann-C6453B.00313802012008@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.
---
Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

...

"The family is the primary agent of peace and the negation or even the
restriction of rights of the family ...

Since when does a reified abstraction have rights?

On Jan 2, 1:31 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

---
Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.


He also said that if the world wanted to live in peace, it would need to
recognize those universal values that all people share as part of a
single, "human family."
---http://tinyurl.com/2cz8ab
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John #1782

By the logic of Raaaaaaaaaatzinger, there should be no such thing as
domestic violence, eh? If the family was "the first and irreplaceable
educator of peace" that is.

On Jan 2, 2:31 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

---
Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.


He also said that if the world wanted to live in peace, it would need to
recognize those universal values that all people share as part of a
single, "human family."
---http://tinyurl.com/2cz8ab
--
John #1782

sounds like muslims who say that islam is a religion of peace, and the
only reason they violently react to unbelievers is because those
unbelievers refuse to accept islam.

sounds like muslims who say that islam is a religion of peace, and the
only reason they violently react to unbelievers is because those
unbelievers refuse to accept islam.

On Jan 2, 3:31 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

---
Pope says family key to peace

By Phil StewartTue Jan 1, 11:57 AM ET

Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies
that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the
most important foundations for peace in the world.

OK Papa Benny. How about supporting that assertation?

The Pontiff, delivering a traditional New Year prayer for peace,
appeared to take a swipe at efforts in several countries to grant legal
recognition to gay and unwed couples -- although he did not single out
any policies by name.

He said the traditional family led by a husband and wife instilled
values that promote peace, and added it was an "irreplaceable"
institution.

Another assertation Papa Benny. One not with any logical connection
to the first.

"Those who are hostile, even unknowingly, to the institution of the
family ... make peace fragile for the entire national and international
community," the Pope told crowds gathered in a sunny St. Peter's Square.

Papa Benny you are talking in circles, where is your support for your
assertation.

The German-born Benedict has made defending the traditional family a
priority since being elected Pontiff in 2005 following the death of John
Paul II, focusing much of his attention on Europe.

Gay marriage is legal in several European countries including
predominantly Catholic Spain, where hundreds of thousands of Catholics
rallied on Sunday in favor of the traditional family. The Pontiff had
addressed the Spanish rally via a live video-link.

Speaking earlier on Tuesday at St. Peter's Basilica, the leader of the
world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics urged followers to reject challenges
to the family "eclipsing the truth of man."

Still talking in Circles

"I wanted to shed light on the direct relationship that exists between
the family and peace in the world," the Pope said.

Show the link, Papa Benny. You want to shed light on the subject, then
explain yourself.

"The family is the primary agent of peace and the negation or even the
restriction of rights of the family ... threatens the very foundations
of peace."

That's just the same assertation, worded differently. You are still
going in circles.

Quoting from a message he issued in December to mark the Church's World
Day of Peace on January 1, Benedict said the family was "the first and
irreplaceable educator of peace."

That's just the same assertation, worded differently. You are still
going in circles.

He also said that if the world wanted to live in peace, it would need to
recognize those universal values that all people share as part of a
single, "human family."

A similar assertation, implying the first.

Ok Papa Benny, you had your say which was:

The family is the foundation of peace
Nothing can replace family
If you undermine family, you undermine peace
That which overshadows family, overshadows peace
I want to show you the link between peace and the family
The family brings peace, anything that undermines family undermines
peace
The family is the foundation of peace and cannot be replaced
All people want peace, so they should support the family.


Really, Papa Benny? That's the best you got? I Know godwins law and
all that, but it really does strike me as very much a base german
rally speech, to stir emotion and devoid of intellect as much as that
other famous german orator.

Heres a thought though:

Where does war come from?
It come from nations thinking one is mal-using ther other
Where do nations come from?
Tribes
Where do tribes come from?
Clans
What's another term for Clan?
Family.

So actually family is the first unit of every war in the history of
man, so while I would not be so bold as to calling it the primary
agent of war, I just know a little too much of history to know that
calling family "the first irreplaceable educator of peace" is utter
*****.

Hatter

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:31:38 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So if two gay people get married somewhere, war is going to break out? I
think Benny's been into the sacramental wine again.

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Pope says family key to peace

From a priesthood that denies marriage to its members...
How bloody ironic!!