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User: "stoney"
Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:01:46 PM
Object: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass}
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Pope says West puts too much faith in science
Monday, September 11, 2006
BY PHILIP PULLELLA AND MADELINE CHAMBERS
REUTERS
MUNICH -- Western societies are losing their souls to scientific
rationality and frightening believers in the developing world who still
fear God, Pope Benedict told an open-air Mass in Germany yesterday.
Benedict -- on the second day of a visit to his native Bavaria-- said
that spreading the word of Jesus Christ was more important than all the
emergency and development aid that rich churches like those in Germany
gave to poor countries.
He also stressed the role of faith in fighting AIDS "by realistically
facing its deeper causes," indirectly confirming the Church view that
pre-marital abstinence and fidelity in marriage are the way to combat
sexually transmitted diseases.
About 250,000 faithful -- many of them families with children --
gathered at the fairground for the Mass. "I've been here since five
o'clock in the morning," said Ker stin Gessert, 32, from Karlsruhe. "I
think it's important that he has come."
Wearing green and white vestments, the pope addressed the crowd from a
platform covered by a white canopy.
Some in the crowd wore traditional Bavarian folk dress and sat down to
picnics of sausages and bread after the service.
"Social issues and the Gospel are inseparable," said the pope. "When we
bring people only knowledge, ability, technical competence and tools, we
bring them too little," he said, hammering away at his central concern
that secularisation and materialism have replaced faith in Western
thinking.
Later, Benedict, 79, who has hinted the visit to his home region could
be his last, led vespers at the Cathedral Of Our Lady in Munich where he
served as archbishop from 1977 to 1982.
The twin green onion domes make the cathedral one of the city's
best-known landmarks. Completed in 1488, it is Bavaria's largest church
and has served as the cathedral for the archbishops of Mu nich and
Freising since 1821.
Inside, the pope, clad in glitter ing vestments of green, silver and
gold, smiled broadly as young girls in first communion dresses and with
flowers in their hair greeted him.
On his six-day trip, Benedict will also visit his birthplace at Marktl
am Inn, the shrine to the Virgin Mary at Altoetting and Re gensburg,
where he taught theology from 1969 to 1977.
Police said the bright yellow house where the pope was born in Marktl am
Inn, and which he was due to visit on Monday, was splashed overnight
with two bags of blue paint by vandals.
At the morning Mass, Benedict said Western societies had become "hard of
hearing" about God, saying: "There are too many other frequencies in our
ears. What is said about God strikes us as pre- scientific, no longer
suited for our age."
He contrasted this to a faith he still found in developing countries,
where 70 percent of the world's Catholics now live.
"People in Africa and Asia admire our scientific and technical prowess,
but at the same time they are frightened by a form of rationality which
totally excludes God from man's vision, as if this were the highest form
of reason," he said.
/end
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 11 Sep 2006 10:33:58 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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Pope says West puts too much faith in science

He said over a worldwide communications network.
Fucking hypocrite.
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User: "leo"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 11 Sep 2006 11:24:38 PM
Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com

He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.
Leopoldo
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 12:27:05 AM
"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com


He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.

And I think the press should be sensitive to his needs and use no electronic
means to transmit his words. Write the news reports on typewriters and mail
them via tramp steamer.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 02:38:57 AM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com


He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.


And I think the press should be sensitive to his needs and use no
electronic means to transmit his words. Write the news reports on
typewriters and mail them via tramp steamer.


The pope is stupid.
He would be the first in line for Chemo or some other therapy if he came
down with cancer.
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 15 Sep 2006 10:38:13 PM
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:27:05 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com


He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.


And I think the press should be sensitive to his needs and use no electronic
means to transmit his words. Write the news reports on typewriters and mail
them via tramp steamer.

Typewriters {manual} are still science. They should use sticks and wet
mud then send them out via foot messangers.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.


User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 11:22:59 AM
"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com


He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.
Leopoldo

Does he use the Pope-Mobile with the protective glass? Better cut that *****
out and go on faith alone, no?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 15 Sep 2006 10:38:53 PM
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:22:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism


"leo" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet ha escrito:

"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.

He went to Germany by plane. He puts too much faith in technology.
I think fundies should travel through the world on foot or on horse.
And they should not used modern medicine but prayers.
Leopoldo


Does he use the Pope-Mobile with the protective glass? Better cut that *****
out and go on faith alone, no?

The Pope-Mobile was sold at auction.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 15 Sep 2006 10:36:54 PM
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:33:58 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


He said over a worldwide communications network.

Fucking hypocrite.

And a very stupid one.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.


User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 08:26:27 AM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science
Monday, September 11, 2006
BY PHILIP PULLELLA AND MADELINE CHAMBERS
REUTERS

MUNICH -- Western societies are losing their souls to scientific
rationality and frightening believers in the developing world who still
fear God, Pope Benedict told an open-air Mass in Germany yesterday.

Benedict -- on the second day of a visit to his native Bavaria-- said
that spreading the word of Jesus Christ was more important than all the
emergency and development aid that rich churches like those in Germany
gave to poor countries.

He also stressed the role of faith in fighting AIDS "by realistically
facing its deeper causes," indirectly confirming the Church view that
pre-marital abstinence and fidelity in marriage are the way to combat
sexually transmitted diseases.

About 250,000 faithful -- many of them families with children --
gathered at the fairground for the Mass. "I've been here since five
o'clock in the morning," said Ker stin Gessert, 32, from Karlsruhe. "I
think it's important that he has come."

Wearing green and white vestments, the pope addressed the crowd from a
platform covered by a white canopy.

Some in the crowd wore traditional Bavarian folk dress and sat down to
picnics of sausages and bread after the service.

"Social issues and the Gospel are inseparable," said the pope. "When we
bring people only knowledge, ability, technical competence and tools, we
bring them too little," he said, hammering away at his central concern
that secularisation and materialism have replaced faith in Western
thinking.

Later, Benedict, 79, who has hinted the visit to his home region could
be his last, led vespers at the Cathedral Of Our Lady in Munich where he
served as archbishop from 1977 to 1982.

The twin green onion domes make the cathedral one of the city's
best-known landmarks. Completed in 1488, it is Bavaria's largest church
and has served as the cathedral for the archbishops of Mu nich and
Freising since 1821.

Inside, the pope, clad in glitter ing vestments of green, silver and
gold, smiled broadly as young girls in first communion dresses and with
flowers in their hair greeted him.

On his six-day trip, Benedict will also visit his birthplace at Marktl
am Inn, the shrine to the Virgin Mary at Altoetting and Re gensburg,
where he taught theology from 1969 to 1977.

Police said the bright yellow house where the pope was born in Marktl am
Inn, and which he was due to visit on Monday, was splashed overnight
with two bags of blue paint by vandals.

At the morning Mass, Benedict said Western societies had become "hard of
hearing" about God, saying: "There are too many other frequencies in our
ears. What is said about God strikes us as pre- scientific, no longer
suited for our age."

He contrasted this to a faith he still found in developing countries,
where 70 percent of the world's Catholics now live.

"People in Africa and Asia admire our scientific and technical prowess,
but at the same time they are frightened by a form of rationality which
totally excludes God from man's vision, as if this were the highest form
of reason," he said.


/end


--

I think the Dope has got it all wrong. Man has put to much faith in 'Faith'
rather than the other way around. Religion nourishes ignorance and mindless
obedience to imaginary entities. Science provides us with a way of coming to
grips with the reality of our existence in a way 'faith' never has and could
*never* hope to. And why? Because science rests on a solid foundation of
'fact' and reports the 'truth' -- even to the point of having to 'revise'
itself when new facts come in and give us a more precise picture of our
universe and our existence. The 'Church', on the other hand, attempts to
keep its 'business' interests flourishing by using fear and brazen lies to
keep believers subservient. Belief in a make-believe 'God' has been directly
responsible for untold pain, suffering, anguish, misery, mayhem and death.
Even the 'religionists' will admit to that. So why continue the charade?
Science (used properly) rules the day because it is based solidly on facts,
not fiction. The Dope can wave his hands up and down, and side to side to
'bless' people all he wants. *That* and the ridiculous concept of 'prayer'
will do nothing to make this world a better place. Science, if applied
properly, can. If we could only embrace what is 'good' about religion and
discard the supernatural crap and the other brazen lies, we would be much
better off. We just have to learn how to better ourselves -- and each
other -- in a way that benefits mankind and not go down the path of
self-destruction because of some stupid-***** beliefs in an imaginary 'God'. I
wonder why the Dope can't get his 'God' to answer his prayers, seeing that
he is supposed to have such close ties to creature. Is he hard of hearing,
or more accurately, non-existent? The 'facts' speak for themselves, don't
they?
Greywolf
.

User: "Mark D J. Mark D"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 08:31:04 PM

Pope says West puts too much faith in science

And you can see why it is that he's so *****: without so much of that
damnable medical science around, he could have become Pope *10 or 15 years
sooner*...
M.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 15 Sep 2006 10:39:50 PM
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:31:04 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@home.com> wrote
in alt.atheism

Pope says West puts too much faith in science


And you can see why it is that he's so *****: without so much of that
damnable medical science around, he could have become Pope *10 or 15 years
sooner*...

Nah. He would have been dead not Poope.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 12:51:47 AM
In article <3n8cg2dtrlecqk76csjim99r05rbjh94jj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050.xml&coll
=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science
Monday, September 11, 2006
BY PHILIP PULLELLA AND MADELINE CHAMBERS
REUTERS

MUNICH -- Western societies are losing their souls to scientific
rationality and frightening believers in the developing world who still
fear God, Pope Benedict told an open-air Mass in Germany yesterday.

Is he afraid that the people in the developing world are getting
educated enough to see through his BS? Maybe he'd like the old colonial
days better when these people could more easily be exploited.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 08:02:35 AM
What's so funny about peace, love and stoney <stoney@the.net> posting
the following on Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:01:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?

MUNICH -- Western societies are losing their souls to scientific
rationality

Not rational thought!! WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
.

User: "Hotel Charlie One"

Title: Re: Pope says West puts too much faith in science {dumbass} 12 Sep 2006 07:07:53 AM
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:3n8cg2dtrlecqk76csjim99r05rbjh94jj@4ax.com:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1157950092116050
.xml&coll=1

Pope says West puts too much faith in science
Monday, September 11, 2006
BY PHILIP PULLELLA AND MADELINE CHAMBERS
REUTERS

MUNICH -- Western societies are losing their souls to scientific
rationality and frightening believers in the developing world who
still fear God, Pope Benedict told an open-air Mass in Germany
yesterday.


Benny is pushing eighty. It it weren't for science keeping the last
geezer alive so long, Benny might have had his current job and the
power that goes with it much earlier.
Wanna bet he changes his tune if he get really sick?
--
The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are being lost. The America of
our founders is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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