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28 Aug 2006 05:29:47 AM |
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Pope to grapple with Darwin |
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he reaffirmed
his belief that the universe could not have come about in a random way
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Pope Benedict
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6b977cbd6833dcd3
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Sep 2006 05:05:01 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2006 03:29:47 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benny had no jets and lost to a dead man.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Pope to grapple with Darwin |
01 Sep 2006 07:19:47 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2006 03:29:47 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benny had no jets and lost to a dead man.
In other words, he's the Vatican's John Ashcroft.
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Sep 2006 11:33:16 AM |
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On 01 Sep 2006 19:19:47 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2006 03:29:47 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benny had no jets and lost to a dead man.
In other words, he's the Vatican's John Ashcroft.
Combined with Baghdad Bob.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: Pope to grapple with Darwin |
28 Aug 2006 09:11:49 PM |
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maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he reaffirmed
his belief that the universe could not have come about in a random way
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Where did Darwin ever discuss how the universe came about?
Pope Benedict
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6b977cbd6833dcd3
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Jordan" |
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| Title: Re: Pope to grapple with Darwin |
05 Sep 2006 01:51:14 AM |
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Colin Day wrote:
maff wrote:
Where did Darwin ever discuss how the universe came about?
He didn't.
The closest anything Darwin said that I'm aware of comes to cosmology
was when he expressed the conviction that the Earth must be many
millions of years old, rather than mere tens or hundreds of thousands
of years old as the physicists of the 19th century mostly believed.
And, of course, Darwin was _right_ on that.
This is such a big flaming joke. Ratzinger is a very minor Pope whose
historical insignificance is thrown into sharp relief by the great Pope
he succeeded. Darwin, by constrast, is one of the most important
figures in the whole history of human thought -- greater than John Paul
II, and _far_ greater than Benedict XVI.
All the current Pope is accomplishing is to make the Catholic Church
look stupid, after John Paul II had done prodigious labors to restore
its cultural status.
What an imbecile.
- Jordan
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| User: "maff" |
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01 Sep 2006 04:48:19 AM |
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maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he reaffirmed
his belief that the universe could not have come about in a random way
A design for life
Kenneth Miller
September 1, 2006 10:17 AM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/kenneth_miller/2006/09/miller.html
Advocates of American-style "intelligent design" (ID) have had a tough
year. Their anti-evolution arguments have been soundly rejected by the
scientific community, they lost spectacularly in a highly-publicised
federal trial on the issue of ID in schools, and most recently the
voters in Kansas rejected ID school board candidates in a statewide
election. So they may surely be forgiven for hoping that Pope
Benedict's discussions on evolution this month with his former students
could bring some rare good news.
Indeed, Seattle's Discovery Institute, which orchestrated a prominent
cardinal's pro-ID op-ed piece in the New York Times last year, is abuzz
with speculation that the Catholic Church is about to take an
ID-friendly position rejecting Darwinian evolution. I won't venture a
prediction on what the Holy Father will ultimately decide, but it
should be pointed out that the Church's real problems are not with
evolution itself, but with nihilistic philosophies that enlist
evolution to claim that existence is without meaning or purpose. Such
claims are rightly regarded as antithetical to Christian values - but
they also go well beyond evolutionary science itself.
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Pope Benedict
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6b977cbd6833dcd3
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Professor-Turned-Pope Leads a Seminar on Evolution |
02 Sep 2006 04:45:40 AM |
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maff wrote:
maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he reaffirmed
his belief that the universe could not have come about in a random way
A design for life
Kenneth Miller
September 1, 2006 10:17 AM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/kenneth_miller/2006/09/miller.html
Advocates of American-style "intelligent design" (ID) have had a tough
year. Their anti-evolution arguments have been soundly rejected by the
scientific community, they lost spectacularly in a highly-publicised
federal trial on the issue of ID in schools, and most recently the
voters in Kansas rejected ID school board candidates in a statewide
election. So they may surely be forgiven for hoping that Pope
Benedict's discussions on evolution this month with his former students
could bring some rare good news.
Indeed, Seattle's Discovery Institute, which orchestrated a prominent
cardinal's pro-ID op-ed piece in the New York Times last year, is abuzz
with speculation that the Catholic Church is about to take an
ID-friendly position rejecting Darwinian evolution. I won't venture a
prediction on what the Holy Father will ultimately decide, but it
should be pointed out that the Church's real problems are not with
evolution itself, but with nihilistic philosophies that enlist
evolution to claim that existence is without meaning or purpose. Such
claims are rightly regarded as antithetical to Christian values - but
they also go well beyond evolutionary science itself.
.
Pope Benedict
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6b977cbd6833dcd3
Professor-Turned-Pope Leads a Seminar on Evolution
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/02/world/europe/02vatican.html?ref=world&pagewanted=all
By IAN FISHER
After a year particularly fraught over the issue, Pope Benedict XVI is
meeting with his old doctoral students to discuss evolution.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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28 Aug 2006 06:05:33 AM |
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maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he reaffirmed
his belief that the universe could not have come about in a random way
So what?
RS
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Pope to grapple with Darwin |
28 Aug 2006 11:24:35 AM |
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Richard Smol wrote:
maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.html
Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he
reaffirmed his belief that the universe could not have come about in
a random way
So what?
Look at the damage the small ID movement has done. Imagine it with billions
of dollars behind it.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Aug 2006 12:32:31 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:7NEIg.4340$q63.2586@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Richard Smol wrote:
maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.htm
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Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he
reaffirmed his belief that the universe could not have come about in
a random way
So what?
Look at the damage the small ID movement has done. Imagine it with
billions of dollars behind it.
It won't happen. The Church wisely places itself supporting science but I
must admit it does it in a vague way.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Aug 2006 12:48:11 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:32:31 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:7NEIg.4340$q63.2586@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Richard Smol wrote:
maff wrote:
Pope to grapple with Darwin
http://ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-25_1258007.htm
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Benedict to brainstorm with 'Creationism row' cardinal
by Denis Greenan .
(ANSA) - Rimini, August 24 - Pope Benedict XVI is to brainstorm on
evolution with a top theologian accused of championing controversial
theories that rubbish Darwin .
The theologian, Vienna Archbishop Christoph Schoenborn, announced the
September 1-3 session at a Catholic rally this week where he
reaffirmed his belief that the universe could not have come about in
a random way
Isn't he supposed to believe what the Pope tells him to?
So what?
Look at the damage the small ID movement has done. Imagine it with
billions of dollars behind it.
It won't happen. The Church wisely places itself supporting science but I
must admit it does it in a vague way.
That was the last Pope. The new one is a lot more conservative. What
does it mean if the new Pope's infallible pronouncements contradict
the previous one's?
Even though the most of science's explanations are accepted by the RCC
they still add their bit, eg ensoulment - without thinking too hard
about. Eg when are identical twins ensouled?
The last Pope told Steven Hawking not to investigate the creation of
the universe. In recent years the Vatican has hosted symposia with
leading edge scientists like Hawking, Sidney Fox etc and accepted what
they had to say.
But at the grass roots, especially in the USA and places like Poland,
there are a heck of a lot of Catholics who are creationist and
literalist (that is literalist about the bits of the Bible they have
read or had read to them by their priests).
At the top, the Vatican has some pretty formidable scientists,
particularly astronomers who don't deny reality or try to make it
conform with the Bible - but then it's not a literalist denomination.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Aug 2006 02:32:56 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:32:31 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
Isn't he supposed to believe what the Pope tells him to?
So what?
Look at the damage the small ID movement has done. Imagine it with
billions of dollars behind it.
It won't happen. The Church wisely places itself supporting science
but I must admit it does it in a vague way.
That was the last Pope. The new one is a lot more conservative. What
does it mean if the new Pope's infallible pronouncements contradict
the previous one's?
The pope only makes "infallible" statements under very limited
circumstances.
I'm not aware of any since it was decided that he, as opposed to a group,
was infallible that don't deal with *past* religious decisions. Mary was
assumed into heaven is the last one I can remember.
Birth control, priest's marrying, and ID will not generate ex-cathedra
statements.
Even though the most of science's explanations are accepted by the RCC
they still add their bit, eg ensoulment - without thinking too hard
about. Eg when are identical twins ensouled?
"At some point" is what I was taught. It may be a "mystery" which is
something a Catholic may not and in some cases can neveer understand but
must be believed as a matter of faith.
The last Pope told Steven Hawking not to investigate the creation of
the universe. In recent years the Vatican has hosted symposia with
leading edge scientists like Hawking, Sidney Fox etc and accepted what
they had to say.
But at the grass roots, especially in the USA and places like Poland,
there are a heck of a lot of Catholics who are creationist and
literalist (that is literalist about the bits of the Bible they have
read or had read to them by their priests).
At the top, the Vatican has some pretty formidable scientists,
particularly astronomers who don't deny reality or try to make it
conform with the Bible - but then it's not a literalist denomination.
They have some pretty sharp people all the way down. I went to a private
Jesuit high school. There was a three day retreat at the beginning of the
school year and a short period of religion two or three days a week (with a
speach class three or two days). Other than that and teh occasional prayer
that we win a football game, religion never entered into the education
process.
Oddly enough we did win a lot of football games, often with much larger
schools. The fact that this was a boy's school with 800 students, some 200
in boarding school and that they recruited all over the state probably was
just a coincidence.
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