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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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27 Sep 2003 12:01:54 AM |
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Poppy's story |
Tonight, the Mel Gibson controversy really hit home. My wife and
children are Jewish. We're not observant, but holidays like Rosh
Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Passover are still important family times
for us. Now the our daughters are adults and we have a grandchild,
these occasions are even more important.
We had our annual Rosh Hashanah dinner this evening. It's usually a
fun time. We tell stories about my wife's parents and uncles and
landsmen and what it was like to grow up in Southfield, Michigan when
Yiddish was as common as English.
This time, there was a kind of cloud over the event. My daughter's
boyfriend said that he didn't want to "do anything Jewish because
they killed Jesus." The ironic thing is that I don't know if he's
even been inside a church, yet he's worried about who killed a rabbi
two millenia ago.
It reminded me that anti-Semitism is everywhere. It isn't limited to
the skinheads who harassed us a few years back or the neo-nazi's who
occassionally leave anti-Semitic trash on our doorsteps. Regular,
every day ignoramuses can be anti-Semites too.
As I looked at my 4 year old grandson over dinner, I was reminded of
other stories Poppy, my father-in-law, use to tell. These weren't the
funny tales we've repeated on Rosh Hashanah for as long as I can
remember. These were dark stories about life in the old country, the
Ukraine.
His earliest memory was from a time when he was the current age of my
grandson. He remembered being very scared while hiding behind a vat
of plum pudding--at least that's what I call it given his
description--in his grandfather's bakery. Outside, good, observant
Catholics were beating, raping, and murdering his neighbors. Imagine
a four year old seeing this.
Tonight, it occurred to me that these pious Christians were probably
acting on the same belief my daughter's boyfriend holds. They were
likely exacting revenge for what they perceived as the murder of
their "Price of Peace." Charges of deicide were a common excuse for a
pogrom.
We need to stop this harmful superstitious *****.
Happy Yontif.
--
"Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers
are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board
in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a
decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions.
One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the
goodness of their hearts."
--Molly Ivins
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "SRubin5190" |
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| Title: Re: Poppy's story |
29 Sep 2003 08:42:17 AM |
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Tonight, the Mel Gibson controversy really hit home. My wife and
children are Jewish. We're not observant, but holidays like Rosh
Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Passover are still important family times
for us.
Sounds like our family! Happy New Year.
I sympathize with you. Nice feeling to be hated for no reason isn't it? Kind
of depressing. Your daughter's boyfriend needs some education. Perhaps a trip
to the holocaust museum? Is he actually a believer? Then a chat with a
sympathetic member of the christian clergy might be in order.
Sue in PA
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Poppy's story |
27 Sep 2003 07:13:47 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:01:54 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced
<tim@somecallme.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Tonight, it occurred to me that these pious Christians were probably
acting on the same belief my daughter's boyfriend holds. They were
likely exacting revenge for what they perceived as the murder of
their "Price of Peace." Charges of deicide were a common excuse for a
pogrom.
But asked if, given the chance, they'd go back and save him, those
who'll even give you an answer will say "no".
--
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "The Fair and Balanced Weasel" |
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| Title: Re: Poppy's story |
27 Sep 2003 10:57:52 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:01:54 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced
<tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
First order of business: convince your daughter to find a new, decent
boyfriend.
Tonight, the Mel Gibson controversy really hit home. My wife and
children are Jewish. We're not observant, but holidays like Rosh
Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Passover are still important family times
for us. Now the our daughters are adults and we have a grandchild,
these occasions are even more important.
We had our annual Rosh Hashanah dinner this evening. It's usually a
fun time. We tell stories about my wife's parents and uncles and
landsmen and what it was like to grow up in Southfield, Michigan when
Yiddish was as common as English.
This time, there was a kind of cloud over the event. My daughter's
boyfriend said that he didn't want to "do anything Jewish because
they killed Jesus." The ironic thing is that I don't know if he's
even been inside a church, yet he's worried about who killed a rabbi
two millenia ago.
It reminded me that anti-Semitism is everywhere. It isn't limited to
the skinheads who harassed us a few years back or the neo-nazi's who
occassionally leave anti-Semitic trash on our doorsteps. Regular,
every day ignoramuses can be anti-Semites too.
As I looked at my 4 year old grandson over dinner, I was reminded of
other stories Poppy, my father-in-law, use to tell. These weren't the
funny tales we've repeated on Rosh Hashanah for as long as I can
remember. These were dark stories about life in the old country, the
Ukraine.
His earliest memory was from a time when he was the current age of my
grandson. He remembered being very scared while hiding behind a vat
of plum pudding--at least that's what I call it given his
description--in his grandfather's bakery. Outside, good, observant
Catholics were beating, raping, and murdering his neighbors. Imagine
a four year old seeing this.
Tonight, it occurred to me that these pious Christians were probably
acting on the same belief my daughter's boyfriend holds. They were
likely exacting revenge for what they perceived as the murder of
their "Price of Peace." Charges of deicide were a common excuse for a
pogrom.
We need to stop this harmful superstitious *****.
Happy Yontif.
-
'A people living under the perpetual menace of war and invasion is
very easy to govern. It demands no social reforms. It does not haggle
over expenditures on armaments and military equipment. It pays
without discussion, it ruins itself, and that is an excellent thing
for the syndicates of financiers and manufacturers for whom patriotic
terrors are an abundant source of gain.'
Anatole France
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Poppy's story |
27 Sep 2003 07:14:21 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:57:52 -0700, The Fair and Balanced Weasel
<zeppnospam@finestplanet.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:01:54 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced
<tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
First order of business: convince your daughter to find a new, decent
boyfriend.
Decent? Sane and intelligent would probably be enough.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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