Religions > Atheism > "Popular War President"... at 33% (GOP, The Party of Treason)
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"Popular War President"... at 33% (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
BWAHAHAHA
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2299968
An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the
president's approval rating has dropped to 33 percent, matching his
low in May. His handling of nearly every issue, from the Iraq war to
foreign policy, contributed to the president's decline around the
nation, even in the Republican-friendly South.
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Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Re: "Popular War President"... at 33% (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
12 Aug 2006 10:54:15 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:24:44 -0700, the_blogologist wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:05:11 -0700,
(the_blogologist) wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the
president's approval rating has dropped to 33 percent,
You think it might have something to do with the constant bombardment
from the biased mainstream media?
You mean like how the NY Times helped spout Bush's WMD lies, you
traitor?
What lies would those be?
Like Katrina? Even though Lousania and
New Orleans are run by Democrats, they blamed it on Bush.
You mean like how FEMA is run by Bush, *****?
FEMA didn't make the hurricane, nor was it intended to handle disasters
of this scope. But it feels good blaming Bush, doesn't it?
Then they should have told local officials they weren't going to do
anything instead of making promises everybody expected them to keep.
And why are we spending so much money on Homeland Security if they can't
handle anything?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
We have little towns of a couple hundred people around here in east
tennessee/southwest virginia that have all gotten homeland security
funds... one town used the money for an elaborate loudpeaker warning
system to be used in case of a terrorist attack....
You can probably find lots of links thru a google search of homeland
security has been received by places who in no way need the funds but
have gotten the funds and put them to use in ways that have nothing to
do with anti terrorism or helping the people.
Homeland security is a joke....its just another pork barrel.... I
sometimes have to work at the local slackjaw backwards ***** counry
airport here.... there is a glut of tsa people walking around all day
with nothing to do....if I do any work there I have to put up with half
a dozen tsa personnel hanging around watching me while I work...then
when done they have to call another half dozen people over to see what
I did and sign off on it...and they have no idea what I have done......
they all are borderline retarded people who managed to get these jobs
but they serve no purpose other than glorified baggage handlers....and
there are so many of them for this small airport that they basically
have nothing to do all day....
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: "Popular War President"... at 33% (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, cornytheclown wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:24:44 -0700, the_blogologist wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:05:11 -0700,
(the_blogologist) wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the
president's approval rating has dropped to 33 percent,
You think it might have something to do with the constant bombardment
from the biased mainstream media?
You mean like how the NY Times helped spout Bush's WMD lies, you
traitor?
What lies would those be?
Like Katrina? Even though Lousania and
New Orleans are run by Democrats, they blamed it on Bush.
You mean like how FEMA is run by Bush, *****?
FEMA didn't make the hurricane, nor was it intended to handle disasters
of this scope. But it feels good blaming Bush, doesn't it?
Then they should have told local officials they weren't going to do
anything instead of making promises everybody expected them to keep.
And why are we spending so much money on Homeland Security if they can't
handle anything?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
We have little towns of a couple hundred people around here in east
tennessee/southwest virginia that have all gotten homeland security
funds... one town used the money for an elaborate loudpeaker warning
system to be used in case of a terrorist attack....
You can probably find lots of links thru a google search of homeland
security has been received by places who in no way need the funds but
have gotten the funds and put them to use in ways that have nothing to
do with anti terrorism or helping the people.
Homeland security is a joke....its just another pork barrel.... I
sometimes have to work at the local slackjaw backwards ***** counry
airport here.... there is a glut of tsa people walking around all day
with nothing to do....if I do any work there I have to put up with half
a dozen tsa personnel hanging around watching me while I work...then
when done they have to call another half dozen people over to see what
I did and sign off on it...and they have no idea what I have done......
they all are borderline retarded people who managed to get these jobs
but they serve no purpose other than glorified baggage handlers....and
there are so many of them for this small airport that they basically
have nothing to do all day....
It was one of the top four most studied disaster scenarios for years. And
it was one that could be seen coming for two days.
They couldn't handle something that well studied, which they themselves
had run simulations on not long before it happened, and which could be
seen coming *from* *space* for 48 hours.
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Gunner" |
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| Title: Re: "Popular War President"... at 33% (GOP, The Party of Treason) |
13 Aug 2006 02:03:10 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Listen up folks: FEMA is not a first responder! Did everybody get that?
Let me repeat. … FEMA was never intended to be a FIRST RESPONDER.
Whew! Now that we’ve got that crap off the table, you may proceed.
FEMA was/is designed to come in behind the FIRST RESPONDERS and pick up
the pieces. Now its a fact that the federal government has its nose
under the tent and many would like to expand the role of the feds but as
of post-Katrina that had not happened.
You may have noticed that when the waters began to pour in, New Orleans
looked like an oversized Mogadishu. You do remember Mogadishu? That’s
the other place where we redesigned the mission in the middle of the
mission.
As I said below: Bush’s main man at FEMA, Director Michael Brown, should
be fired. I don’t know how he performed in the overall scheme of things
in the Gulf, but I know how he performed in a TV interview on CNN and he
was a disaster. He allowed the interviewer to draw him into a
conversation about first responders. He tallked about what police should
do, how firemen should react and how the National Guard should perform
rescues, none of which is the responsibility of FEMA, and he was
answering those questions while water poured into the city. — Fire the
bum.
But as for FEMA, Craig Martelle of the Pittsburg Post-Gazette says it
well: “FEMA is not a first responder.” Gee, I wish I’d said that. "
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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| User: "pyotr filipivich" |
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| Title: Call for a more Proactive Gvoernemtn Response to Disaster ...was : "Popular War President" |
14 Aug 2006 05:45:05 PM |
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
So it won't be any problem for them if the US Government Federalizes
those areas which are currently be "mismanaged" , before the next disaster
occurs. Hmmm, sounds like the time to take over running California is now,
before the Big One. O course, there will be a need for some minor
"regularization" of local statues to bring them into line with a Federal
Department of First Responders, but hey, if there is one thing which the
liberal Democrats have assured us over the last several decades: the US
Constitution is a Living Document, and not to be restricted by the dead
hand of the past.
Listen up folks: FEMA is not a first responder! Did everybody get that?
Let me repeat. É FEMA was never intended to be a FIRST RESPONDER.
Whew! Now that weÕve got that crap off the table, you may proceed.
FEMA was/is designed to come in behind the FIRST RESPONDERS and pick up
the pieces. Now its a fact that the federal government has its nose
under the tent and many would like to expand the role of the feds but as
of post-Katrina that had not happened.
You may have noticed that when the waters began to pour in, New Orleans
looked like an oversized Mogadishu. You do remember Mogadishu? ThatÕs
the other place where we redesigned the mission in the middle of the
mission.
As I said below: BushÕs main man at FEMA, Director Michael Brown, should
be fired. I donÕt know how he performed in the overall scheme of things
in the Gulf, but I know how he performed in a TV interview on CNN and he
was a disaster. He allowed the interviewer to draw him into a
conversation about first responders. He tallked about what police should
do, how firemen should react and how the National Guard should perform
rescues, none of which is the responsibility of FEMA, and he was
answering those questions while water poured into the city. Ñ Fire the
bum.
But as for FEMA, Craig Martelle of the Pittsburg Post-Gazette says it
well: ÒFEMA is not a first responder.Ó Gee, I wish IÕd said that. "
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
--
pyotr filipivich
Typos, Grammos and da kind are the result of ragin hormones
Fortesque Consulting: Teaching Pigs to Sing since 1968.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Aug 2006 08:58:32 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
The Bush administration spent most of its time trying to wrestle *control
away from the local authorities instead of providing the supplies they had
promised to deliver. Going so far as to try to figure out how to get
around Posse Commitatus.
INSTEAD of delivering, you know, food and water. God forbid that bloated
mess in Washington we all pay through the nose to maintain should actually
get off its collective ***** and deliver food and water in an emergency. Oh
horrors! Oh Constitutional crisis! People might... might... eat something!
You people need to actually *read what the Stafford Act is about. Not yap
about something some 12 year old posted on his "blog."
So it won't be any problem for them if the US Government Federalizes
those areas which are currently be "mismanaged" , before the next disaster
occurs. Hmmm, sounds like the time to take over running California is now,
before the Big One. O course, there will be a need for some minor
"regularization" of local statues to bring them into line with a Federal
Department of First Responders, but hey, if there is one thing which the
liberal Democrats have assured us over the last several decades: the US
Constitution is a Living Document, and not to be restricted by the dead
hand of the past.
*****. Total, utter *****.
This is the truth and it's documented:
FEMA promised to show up after the disaster to help the people who
sheltered in the Dome.
They did not show up for five days.
I don't care what pimple face blogger is saying. FEMA took the requests,
assured everybody they'd be there with supplies and help, then wandered
off and picked their noses.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: Call for a more Proactive Gvoernemtn Response to Disaster ...was : "Popular War President" |
14 Aug 2006 10:42:03 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
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| User: "pyotr filipivich" |
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| Title: Re: Call for a more Proactive Govcernment Response to Disaster ...was : "Popular War President" |
15 Aug 2006 04:46:11 PM |
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote on Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 GMT in misc.survivalism :
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
Regardless, it doesn't matter. Democrats want situations like this
managed from Washington DC, apparently because local and state "authority"
is inefficient.
Good lord, man, take a look at the post Katrina commentary, the
Progressives granted George Bush supernatural powers. Why else would they
have been complaining that it was his fault that the Hurricane hit New
Orleans in the first place, if they didn't believe he could direct a
hurricane elsewhere?
So, obviously, The Next time there is a Potential Natural Disaster, it
will be necessary for the Federal Government to take over plans and
programs, particularly where the local authority is traditionally from the
Democrat party, and direct the locals as to which is their assholes, and
which is a hole in the ground.
Because as Bilko and the rest are admitting, how ever unconsciously,
Democrat administrations are incompetent to handle anything more complex
than the day to day routine. Which they apparently do badly as well.
Hey, Living Constitution and all that, not a problem. "Stroke of the
Pen, Law of the Land. Pretty cool." wasn't said by a Republican.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
When I was a boy, we had Outcome Based Education, too.
We called it "Being held back a year"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Call for a more Proactive Govcernment Response to Disaster |
15 Aug 2006 07:46:16 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:46:11 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote on Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 GMT in misc.survivalism :
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
Regardless, it doesn't matter. Democrats want situations like this
managed from Washington DC, apparently because local and state "authority"
is inefficient.
Oh really, is that why Blanco never signed over the state to Bush?
Good lord, man, take a look at the post Katrina commentary, the
Progressives granted George Bush supernatural powers. Why else would they
have been complaining that it was his fault that the Hurricane hit New
Orleans in the first place, if they didn't believe he could direct a
hurricane elsewhere?
So, obviously, The Next time there is a Potential Natural Disaster, it
will be necessary for the Federal Government to take over plans and
programs, particularly where the local authority is traditionally from the
Democrat party, and direct the locals as to which is their assholes, and
which is a hole in the ground.
Nobody asked them to take over. They asked for the supplies and assistance
authorized under the law that FEMA promised would be there.
Because as Bilko and the rest are admitting, how ever unconsciously,
Democrat administrations are incompetent to handle anything more complex
than the day to day routine. Which they apparently do badly as well.
Hey, Living Constitution and all that, not a problem. "Stroke of the
Pen, Law of the Land. Pretty cool." wasn't said by a Republican.
Under the law, FEMA was authorized to render aid even *before the storm
hit. They did, indeed, stock the Dome with supplies *before the storm.
They promised they'd be back.
They didn't show up for five days.
That is the truth. And you lie and spin until the sun blows up but that's
what happened. They left those people twisting in the wind after taking
requests and assuring the local officials they'd be back "like the
calvary" I believe in the phrase actually used, with supplies and
evacuation assistance.
They didn't show up for five days.
You can strut around preening yourselves for the rest of your lives for
being oh-so-pretty Republicans but the actual documentation shows that FEMA
failed to deliver on the promises they made. That's documented.
And if you can't face it, you are actually disconnecting from what we call
"reality" and should look into that "mental health" thing.
<plonk>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Call for a more Proactive Gvoernemtn Response to Disaster |
14 Aug 2006 11:34:05 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 +0000, Morton Davis wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
Liar.
Our state was held hostage. The Bush administration wanted to federalize
things *before they rendered aid even though under the LAW, aid had
already been legally authorized *before the storm hit.
No state has ever been told to turn over control before they would get aid.
Jeb Bush *sure as hell wasn't told he had to turn over Florida before FEMA
would act.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:34:05 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 +0000, Morton Davis wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
Liar.
Our state was held hostage. The Bush administration wanted to federalize
things *before they rendered aid even though under the LAW, aid had
already been legally authorized *before the storm hit.
No state has ever been told to turn over control before they would get aid.
Jeb Bush *sure as hell wasn't told he had to turn over Florida before FEMA
would act.
Liar
Posse Comitatus
Katrina
The stories coming out of Gulf Coast region of Louisiana, Mississippi
and Alabama are horrible and heartbreaking. Quite a few reporters have
done a great job of getting to the hardest hit and/or most dangerous
areas and bringing home the scale and scope of the tragedy to the rest
of the world.
That said, while the coverage of Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath
have been riveting a good deal of the commentary from reports and
anchors has been predictably dumb. During and immediately after the
Hurricane I listened to hours of completely uninformed speculation
passing as "news judgement", especially from anchors sitting in cosy
studios in New York, DC and Atlanta. Since then things have become
worse. It would seem some of the folks would realize that a moment of
crisis is not the time for blabbering on when you don't know what the
hell you are talking about.
During the Hurricane, reporter after reporter made the observation that
things did not seem so bad where they were and that New Orelans had been
"lucky" and "dodged a bullet". Reporters in the French Quarter, one of
the higher points within the basin that makes up New Orleans, repeatedly
commented that things were OK because Bourbon street was not flooded (at
the time). This despite statements from public officials about the levee
issues, observations by meteorologists that because the storm passed to
New Orleans east and hurricane's rotate counterclockwise, that high
winds would be pushing the water in Lake Ponchtrain directly at the
levees. Reporters in Baton Rouge, far west of the eye wall made similar
comments. Of course, as is always the case, there was no reporting from
the hardest hit areas beacuse...duh....there were no reporters standing
on Dauphin Island or the low-lying parishes south of New Orleans or
along the coast in Biloxi.
Perhaps the best example of stupidity was the repeated observation, made
by various anchors, that since 80% of New Orleans was underwater on
Tuesday it must be closer to 90% underwater "now". It was up to the
weather guy on CNN to explain, using satellite imagery and arial
photographs, that the levy running south of Lake Ponchatrain had broken
on the east side, pouring water in one direction, and that everything to
the west of the levy was dry - and that the downtown area of New Orleans
around the Superdome was more elevated - and so that 80% figure would
remain constant unless there was a breach of the levee facing west.
It is not, however, all good news from CNN. In the past 12 hours or so a
new thread has emerged on CNN - anchors and reporters prompting
interview subjects to criticize the federal government. In just a few
hours I have seen Sen. Landrieu, the former mayor of New Orleans Marc
something-or-ruther, Governor Barbour of Mississippi, people on the
street, FEMA officials, National Guard officials all being prompted by
CNN reporters and anchors to slam the Federal response to Hurricane
Katrina, especially the "failure" of the federal government (i.e.,
President Bush) to PRE-DEPLOY the U.S. military.
Apparently the folks at CNN are not familiar with Posse Comitatus
(literally, "the power of the county") and the various restrictions on
the domestic deployment of the military.
For those not familiar with Posse Comitatus, Major Craig T. Trebilcock
of the U.S. Army Reserve wrote that the underlying principle of Posse
Comitatus is that the military is not a domestic police force auxiliary.
By way of history, the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act was passed to remove the
Army from civilian law enforcement and to return it to its role of
defending the borders of the United States. This law was passed in the
wake of the Civil War and the Reconstruction period that followed when
the U.S. military was used to enforce traditional police roles and
controversial federal policies primarily related to emancipation of
slaves and the aftermath.
It is important to note that Posse Comitatus does not apply to the
National Guard and Coast Guard. Bush did sign orders to pre-deploy the
Coast Guard to the region (as well as Homeland Security via FEMA and
other agencies). The Coast Guard has been actively involved in search
and rescue missions since the moment Katrina passed through the region.
The state governors did deploy their National Guard units but that is
not a federal issue. The National Guard is specifically charged with
preserving law and order when regular law enforcement assets prove
inadequate. Bush could have federalized the National Guard in Alabama,
Mississippi and Louisiana but that would have only complicated matters
initially because the National Guard becomes subject to Posse Comitatus
once control of the National Guard is federalized. It allows the local
officials more flexibility to respond quickly if they control the Guard
directly.
Trebilock goes on to note that as Posse Comitatus is a law, not a
constitutional requirement,, it can be circumvented with suppport from
Congress. Over the past 25 years, Posse Comitatus has been undermined in
several ways. Initially under the Reagan administration which deployed
the Navy and Air Force domestically in the "War on Drugs". Congress
later passed the Civil Disturbance Statutes which permits the President
to use military forces to restore order but only after a "state has
requested assistance or is unable to protect civil rights and property.
In case of civil disturbance, the president must first give an order for
the offenders to disperse. If the order is not obeyed, the president may
then authorize military forces to make arrests and restore order." The
Stafford Act also permits the use of the military upon the request of a
state governor. "The Stafford Act permits the president to declare a
major disaster and send in military forces on an emergency basis for up
to ten days to preserve life and property". Posse Comitatus was further
undermined by Congressional response to the terrorism threat, most
especially in the wake of 9/11. Prior to 9/11, for example, the U.S.
military was deployed at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. After 9/11, The
Homeland Security Act gave new powers to the President to
pre-designature scheduled events of "National Interest" such as the
Super Bowl and to post-designate in the wake of a terrorist attack or
other "National Emergency".
In other words, the President is required under various laws to work
with the state governors except in the most extreme cases like a
terrorist attack. Until Katrina actually made landfall there was no way
to know the scope of the problem and where precisely to deploy resources
and what exactly would be needed. From all I have heard reported,
President Bush did everything he could do without invoking special
emergency powers. Given 20/20 hindsight, it is easy to say that the U.S.
military should have been deployed to here, here and here but that is
nothing but a cheap shot. To say President Bush should have "known" the
levee would break in New Orelans, or how few people would evacuate the
coast, or how deep the storm surge would be, or the level of destruction
is just plain dumb. The fact is that the people closer to the storm -
the governors in the effected states did not know either.
Given this, the behavior of CNN anchors, especially Miles O'Brien's
interview this morning of Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, are
particulary uninformed. O'Brien kept pounding on Barbour to "admit" that
the "federal government" (again, read "President Bush") had not
responded appropriately to Hurricane Katrina by not deploying the U.S.
military in the days BEFORE the Hurricane had hit. When Barbour noted
that when Katrina went through Florida it made landfall as a Category 1
hurricane O'Brien kept interupting that it was a Category 5 storm "days"
before it made landfall in the gulf. When Barbour attempted to correct
O'Brien, the CNN anchor kept pounding away on the idea that the federal
government had plenty of advance warning.
This is complete bull. I was in South Florida last week on vacation and
was in Miami just hours before what became Hurricane Katrina arrived
there. I left Miami at 1 am the day Katrina hit and headed west to
Naples on the gulf coast to stay with relatives. The fact is that the
Monday before Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, the local CBS weatherman
remarked on some "winds" off the east coast of Cuba that meteorologists
were "keeping an eye on". By Tuesday, those winds became a tropical
depression and then a tropical storm. Katrina made landfall between Fort
Lauderdale and Miami on Thursday. It reached Category 1 (75 mph winds)
just hours before it hit and was quickly downgraded to a tropical storm
as it moved across South Florida towards Key West. When I left Tampa on
Saturday morning, Katrina was in the Gulf of Mexico and been upgraded
back to Hurricane status, reaching Category 2 overnight. When I left
Florida, two days before Katrina hit the Gulf coast, the National
Weather Service was saying that Katrina would be "at least" a Category 3
storm when it made landfall. Initial predictions were that would hit
near Pensacola, Florida. The first I heard that storm was heading
towards New Orleans was Sunday when it had reached Category 4. The story
was a Category 5 storm for a period of some hours but weakened to a
Category 4 as it approached the coast.
Now, I like Miles O'Brien generally. He can be funny, he blogs and knows
a heck of a lot about the NASA space programs but he either not getting
enough sleep (a distinct possibility) or otherwise not thinking straight
or just plain dumb. His recollection of the days leading up to Katrina
hitting the coast are just plain wrong. What is worrisome is that this
same thread of questioning is being used repeatedly on CNN which also
ran a "package" of people complaining that the federal government was
(a) responsible for what happened; (b) had not prepared adequately; (c)
was not doing enough now. There will certainly be a time and a place for
a "post-mortem" on what could have been done differently before, during
and after Hurricane Katrina but how exactly is it helpful for CNN to
actively seek to foment confrontation, name-calling and finger-pointing
among government officials at a time when rescue workers, civilians, the
military and National Guard are risking their lives to help others who
are trapped and dying.
CNN ought to be ashamed.
Someone at CNN ought to send the word to the producers to tell Miles
O'Brien, Soledad O'Brien and the rest to shut up and quit trying to
"manufacture" news and keep the focus where it belongs.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 GMT, "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
GOT IT YET.
Absolutly correct. Posse Comitatus
Katrina
The stories coming out of Gulf Coast region of Louisina, Mississippi and
Alabama are horrible and heartbreaking. Quite a few reporters have done
a great job of getting to the hardest hit and/or most dangerous areas
and bringing home the scale and scope of the tragedy to the rest of the
world.
That said, while the coverage of Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath
have been riveting a good deal of the commentary from reports and
anchors has been predictably dumb. During and immediately after the
Hurricane I listened to hours of completely uninformed speculation
passing as "news judgement", especially from anchors sitting in cosy
studios in New York, DC and Atlanta. Since then things have become
worse. It would seem some of the folks would realize that a moment of
crisis is not the time for blabbering on when you don't know what the
hell you are talking about.
During the Hurricane, reporter after reporter made the observation that
things did not seem so bad where they were and that New Orelans had been
"lucky" and "dodged a bullet". Reporters in the French Quarter, one of
the higher points within the basin that makes up New Orleans, repeatedly
commented that things were OK because Bourbon street was not flooded (at
the time). This despite statements from public officials about the levee
issues, observations by meteorologists that because the storm passed to
New Orleans east and hurricane's rotate counterclockwise, that high
winds would be pushing the water in Lake Ponchtrain directly at the
levees. Reporters in Baton Rouge, far west of the eye wall made similar
comments. Of course, as is always the case, there was no reporting from
the hardest hit areas beacuse...duh....there were no reporters standing
on Dauphin Island or the low-lying parishes south of New Orleans or
along the coast in Biloxi.
Perhaps the best example of stupidity was the repeated observation, made
by various anchors, that since 80% of New Orleans was underwater on
Tuesday it must be closer to 90% underwater "now". It was up to the
weather guy on CNN to explain, using satellite imagery and arial
photographs, that the levy running south of Lake Ponchatrain had broken
on the east side, pouring water in one direction, and that everything to
the west of the levy was dry - and that the downtown area of New Orleans
around the Superdome was more elevated - and so that 80% figure would
remain constant unless there was a breach of the levee facing west.
It is not, however, all good news from CNN. In the past 12 hours or so a
new thread has emerged on CNN - anchors and reporters prompting
interview subjects to criticize the federal government. In just a few
hours I have seen Sen. Landrieu, the former mayor of New Orleans Marc
something-or-ruther, Governor Barbour of Mississippi, people on the
street, FEMA officials, National Guard officials all being prompted by
CNN reporters and anchors to slam the Federal response to Hurricane
Katrina, especially the "failure" of the federal government (i.e.,
President Bush) to PRE-DEPLOY the U.S. military.
Apparently the folks at CNN are not familiar with Posse Comitatus
(literally, "the power of the county") and the various restrictions on
the domestic deployment of the military.
For those not familiar with Posse Comitatus, Major Craig T. Trebilcock
of the U.S. Army Reserve wrote that the underlying principle of Posse
Comitatus is that the military is not a domestic police force auxiliary.
By way of history, the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act was passed to remove the
Army from civilian law enforcement and to return it to its role of
defending the borders of the United States. This law was passed in the
wake of the Civil War and the Reconstruction period that followed when
the U.S. military was used to enforce traditional police roles and
controversial federal policies primarily related to emancipation of
slaves and the aftermath.
It is important to note that Posse Comitatus does not apply to the
National Guard and Coast Guard. Bush did sign orders to pre-deploy the
Coast Guard to the region (as well as Homeland Security via FEMA and
other agencies). The Coast Guard has been actively involved in search
and rescue missions since the moment Katrina passed through the region.
The state governors did deploy their National Guard units but that is
not a federal issue. The National Guard is specifically charged with
preserving law and order when regular law enforcement assets prove
inadequate. Bush could have federalized the National Guard in Alabama,
Mississippi and Louisiana but that would have only complicated matters
initially because the National Guard becomes subject to Posse Comitatus
once control of the National Guard is federalized. It allows the local
officials more flexibility to respond quickly if they control the Guard
directly.
Trebilock goes on to note that as Posse Comitatus is a law, not a
constitutional requirement,, it can be circumvented with suppport from
Congress. Over the past 25 years, Posse Comitatus has been undermined in
several ways. Initially under the Reagan administration which deployed
the Navy and Air Force domestically in the "War on Drugs". Congress
later passed the Civil Disturbance Statutes which permits the President
to use military forces to restore order but only after a "state has
requested assistance or is unable to protect civil rights and property.
In case of civil disturbance, the president must first give an order for
the offenders to disperse. If the order is not obeyed, the president may
then authorize military forces to make arrests and restore order." The
Stafford Act also permits the use of the military upon the request of a
state governor. "The Stafford Act permits the president to declare a
major disaster and send in military forces on an emergency basis for up
to ten days to preserve life and property". Posse Comitatus was further
undermined by Congressional response to the terrorism threat, most
especially in the wake of 9/11. Prior to 9/11, for example, the U.S.
military was deployed at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. After 9/11, The
Homeland Security Act gave new powers to the President to
pre-designature scheduled events of "National Interest" such as the
Super Bowl and to post-designate in the wake of a terrorist attack or
other "National Emergency".
In other words, the President is required under various laws to work
with the state governors except in the most extreme cases like a
terrorist attack. Until Katrina actually made landfall there was no way
to know the scope of the problem and where precisely to deploy resources
and what exactly would be needed. From all I have heard reported,
President Bush did everything he could do without invoking special
emergency powers. Given 20/20 hindsight, it is easy to say that the U.S.
military should have been deployed to here, here and here but that is
nothing but a cheap shot. To say President Bush should have "known" the
levee would break in New Orelans, or how few people would evacuate the
coast, or how deep the storm surge would be, or the level of destruction
is just plain dumb. The fact is that the people closer to the storm -
the governors in the effected states did not know either.
Given this, the behavior of CNN anchors, especially Miles O'Brien's
interview this morning of Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, are
particulary uninformed. O'Brien kept pounding on Barbour to "admit" that
the "federal government" (again, read "President Bush") had not
responded appropriately to Hurricane Katrina by not deploying the U.S.
military in the days BEFORE the Hurricane had hit. When Barbour noted
that when Katrina went through Florida it made landfall as a Category 1
hurricane O'Brien kept interupting that it was a Category 5 storm "days"
before it made landfall in the gulf. When Barbour attempted to correct
O'Brien, the CNN anchor kept pounding away on the idea that the federal
government had plenty of advance warning.
This is complete bull. I was in South Florida last week on vacation and
was in Miami just hours before what became Hurricane Katrina arrived
there. I left Miami at 1 am the day Katrina hit and headed west to
Naples on the gulf coast to stay with relatives. The fact is that the
Monday before Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, the local CBS weatherman
remarked on some "winds" off the east coast of Cuba that meteorologists
were "keeping an eye on". By Tuesday, those winds became a tropical
depression and then a tropical storm. Katrina made landfall between Fort
Lauderdale and Miami on Thursday. It reached Category 1 (75 mph winds)
just hours before it hit and was quickly downgraded to a tropical storm
as it moved across South Florida towards Key West. When I left Tampa on
Saturday morning, Katrina was in the Gulf of Mexico and been upgraded
back to Hurricane status, reaching Category 2 overnight. When I left
Florida, two days before Katrina hit the Gulf coast, the National
Weather Service was saying that Katrina would be "at least" a Category 3
storm when it made landfall. Initial predictions were that would hit
near Pensacola, Florida. The first I heard that storm was heading
towards New Orleans was Sunday when it had reached Category 4. The story
was a Category 5 storm for a period of some hours but weakened to a
Category 4 as it approached the coast.
Now, I like Miles O'Brien generally. He can be funny, he blogs and knows
a heck of a lot about the NASA space programs but he either not getting
enough sleep (a distinct possibility) or otherwise not thinking straight
or just plain dumb. His recollection of the days leading up to Katrina
hitting the coast are just plain wrong. What is worrisome is that this
same thread of questioning is being used repeatedly on CNN which also
ran a "package" of people complaining that the federal government was
(a) responsible for what happened; (b) had not prepared adequately; (c)
was not doing enough now. There will certainly be a time and a place for
a "post-mortem" on what could have been done differently before, during
and after Hurricane Katrina but how exactly is it helpful for CNN to
actively seek to foment confrontation, name-calling and finger-pointing
among government officials at a time when rescue workers, civilians, the
military and National Guard are risking their lives to help others who
are trapped and dying.
CNN ought to be ashamed.
Someone at CNN ought to send the word to the producers to tell Miles
O'Brien, Soledad O'Brien and the rest to shut up and quit trying to
"manufacture" news and keep the focus where it belongs.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:42:03 GMT, "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:Kr2dnadTrtTVt3zZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@megapath.net...
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
NOPE. Blanco wanted fed money agreements settled first. BTW: Until state
governor relinquishes control - the feds can't go in because it is the
state's responsibility.
A governor cannot constitutionally "relinquish" control.
There is a line of succession if a governor dies or quits the office.
Beyond that the state legislature is the controlling element.
The federal government's constitutional obligation to each state is to
protect the borders and ensure a republican form of government.
GOT IT YET.
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Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
The Bush administration spent most of its time trying to wrestle *control
away from the local authorities instead of providing the supplies they had
promised to deliver. Going so far as to try to figure out how to get
around Posse Commitatus.
INSTEAD of delivering, you know, food and water. God forbid that bloated
mess in Washington we all pay through the nose to maintain should actually
get off its collective ***** and deliver food and water in an emergency. Oh
horrors! Oh Constitutional crisis! People might... might... eat something!
It gets sillier: The Brits offered to send a big consignment of
military-style rationpacks. Good idea, not high cuisine, but simple,
nutrious, easily transported, distributed and prepared. Thank-you, said the
USA. So the Brits loaded up some aircraft and sent them over. No problem,
pretty basic disaster-relief strategy, the Brits have warehouse stocked with
such items, blankets, water-storage tanks, tents and stuff, all ready to
roll if needed. the stuff arrived in the USA. Where they sat in a warehouse
for weeks before the USA sent them back. Incorrect labeling which did not
meet federal rules. Yep, the labels were illegal so it could not be used so
they sent it back.
You people need to actually *read what the Stafford Act is about. Not yap
about something some 12 year old posted on his "blog."
So it won't be any problem for them if the US Government Federalizes
those areas which are currently be "mismanaged" , before the next
disaster
occurs. Hmmm, sounds like the time to take over running California is
now,
before the Big One. O course, there will be a need for some minor
"regularization" of local statues to bring them into line with a Federal
Department of First Responders, but hey, if there is one thing which the
liberal Democrats have assured us over the last several decades: the US
Constitution is a Living Document, and not to be restricted by the dead
hand of the past.
*****. Total, utter *****.
This is the truth and it's documented:
FEMA promised to show up after the disaster to help the people who
sheltered in the Dome.
They did not show up for five days.
I don't care what pimple face blogger is saying. FEMA took the requests,
assured everybody they'd be there with supplies and help, then wandered
off and picked their noses.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:05:08 +0100, brique wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:45:05 +0000, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane
flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
*****. It was Bush that was trying to federalize it and Blanco
resisting turning over control.
The Bush administration spent most of its time trying to wrestle *control
away from the local authorities instead of providing the supplies they had
promised to deliver. Going so far as to try to figure out how to get
around Posse Commitatus.
INSTEAD of delivering, you know, food and water. God forbid that bloated
mess in Washington we all pay through the nose to maintain should actually
get off its collective ***** and deliver food and water in an emergency. Oh
horrors! Oh Constitutional crisis! People might... might... eat something!
It gets sillier: The Brits offered to send a big consignment of
military-style rationpacks. Good idea, not high cuisine, but simple,
nutrious, easily transported, distributed and prepared. Thank-you, said the
USA. So the Brits loaded up some aircraft and sent them over. No problem,
pretty basic disaster-relief strategy, the Brits have warehouse stocked with
such items, blankets, water-storage tanks, tents and stuff, all ready to
roll if needed. the stuff arrived in the USA. Where they sat in a warehouse
for weeks before the USA sent them back. Incorrect labeling which did not
meet federal rules. Yep, the labels were illegal so it could not be used so
they sent it back.
One of the big bureaucratic hold ups on the rations were the feds pushing
the "mad cow disease" panic button.
The Brits were livid. As if they'd serve their own troops contaminated
food? Not to mention, our troops were already eating them in joint
operations.
FEMA pulled those kinds of stunts every time you turned around.
One of my favorites involves the wandering ice trucks. There were
truckloads of ice being shunted all over the country to locations that
made no sense at all only to sit and wait until FEMA sent them somewhere
else that wasn't New Orleans.
In the end, much of the ice was dumped. Sold locally (some in the
Northeast... I guess FEMA was looking for New Orleans in Maine?) or just
disposed of.
I mean, what the fucking ***** was THAT about? Nobody could say "Go to New
Orleans"?
Or the firefighters who volunteered to help and FEMA sent them to Atlanta
to watch federal training videos? They finally walked out and went home.
It's enough to make you wonder if it was deliberate.
A *lot of private offers of help from corporations and such were turned
away because FEMA had contracts with certain suppliers and wouldn't accept
anything from anybody that wasn't on their list.
Michael Brown spent days doing org charts and looking for good restaurants
in Baton Rogue. Then tried to excuse himself by saying things like he'd
given orders and left then came back to find nothing had been done.
Gee, I dunno. Maybe a national emergency isn't the best time for lingering
over coffee?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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15 Aug 2006 07:36:31 AM |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote
on Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:03:10 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:37:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
But they're supposedly able to handle a surprise attack from unknown
people using unknown methods in an unknown city.
Yeah, I feel safer now...
"FEMA Is Not A First Responder
As my old Pappy used to say, somebody finally got it right.
Bilbo, like so many of the progressive Democrats, seem completely
unaware of the differences between the Federal Government's jurisdiction
and that of the several States. But following the post Hurricane flooding,
it is interesting to note that, apparently, they want everything run,
managed and directed from the National Capitol, and not from the State
Capitol, let alone City Hall. How progressive of them.
...
It is rather counter-empirical. However, that's not the
only issue. Given that Federal Government, including FEMA,
was collecting taxes on the understanding that it would
intervene helpfully in case of disaster, its performance,
including that of its chief executive, was abysmally bad.
I agree that the reforms suggested by some, such as
giving yet more power to the President, were absurd in
the light of the failures so prominently displayed. That
doesn't redeem Bush or his underlings from the charges
of not understanding, caring about, or doing their jobs
in this, as in so many other areas.
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:36:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
Fema DID handle it. And the funds were spent.
To who, Halliburton?
GOP, the party of Treason.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2598 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
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newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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13 Aug 2006 07:15:57 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:36:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
Fema DID handle it. And the funds were spent.
To who, Halliburton?
GOP, the party of Treason.
They were asleep at the switch, got caught napping, took some political heat
for it, then recklessly threw money at the problem in the hope of making it
go away, in typical NeoCon mismanagement fashion.
Jeff
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13 Aug 2006 12:36:15 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:15:57 -0500, "Jeff McCann"
<NoSpam@NoThanks.org> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:36:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
Fema DID handle it. And the funds were spent.
To who, Halliburton?
GOP, the party of Treason.
They were asleep at the switch, got caught napping, took some political heat
for it, then recklessly threw money at the problem in the hope of making it
go away, in typical NeoCon mismanagement fashion.
NeoCon SOP:
a) take creadit for someone's else's work
b) balme others for your own failures.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2598 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
-----
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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13 Aug 2006 01:28:44 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:15:57 -0500, "Jeff McCann" <NoSpam@NoThanks.org>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:rm4ud2dlp0de9a2va5nef19v2nh0t76ahu@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:36:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
Fema DID handle it. And the funds were spent.
To who, Halliburton?
GOP, the party of Treason.
They were asleep at the switch, got caught napping, took some political heat
for it, then recklessly threw money at the problem in the hope of making it
go away, in typical NeoCon mismanagement fashion.
Jeff
Your lies are again exposed. You never learn do you?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/fema.audit/index.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05249/566101.stm
Craig Martelle: FEMA is not a first responder
Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans.
Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state
responsibility
Tuesday, September 06, 2005
As one who has received training by FEMA in emergency management and
also training by the Department of Defense in consequence management, I
believe that the federal response in New Orleans needs clarification.
The key to emergency management starts at the local level and expands to
the state level. Emergency planning generally does not include any
federal guarantees, as there can only be limited ones from the federal
level for any local plan. FEMA provides free training, education,
assistance and respond in case of an emergency, but the local and state
officials run their own emergency management program.
Prior development of an emergency plan, addressing all foreseeable
contingencies, is the absolute requirement of the local government --and
then they share that plan with the state emergency managers to ensure
that the state authorities can provide necessary assets not available at
the local level. Additionally, good planning will include applicable
elements of the federal government (those located in the local area).
These processes are well established, but are contingent upon the
personal drive of both hired and elected officials at the local level.
I've reviewed the New Orleans emergency management plan. Here is an
important section in the first paragraph.
"We coordinate all city departments and allied state and federal
agencies which respond to citywide disasters and emergencies through the
development and constant updating of an integrated multi-hazard plan.
All requests for federal disaster assistance and federal funding
subsequent to disaster declarations are also made through this office.
Our authority is defined by the Louisiana Emergency Assistance and
Disaster Act of 1993, Chapter 6 Section 709, Paragraph B, 'Each parish
shall maintain a Disaster Agency which, except as otherwise provided
under this act, has jurisdiction over and serves the entire parish.' "
Check the plan -- the "we" in this case is the office of the mayor, Ray
Nagin who was very quick and vocal about blaming everyone but his own
office. A telling picture, at left, taken by The Associated Press on
Sept. 1 and widely circulated on the Internet shows a school bus park,
apparently filled to capacity with buses, under about four feet of
water. If a mandatory evacuation was ordered, why weren't all the
taxpayer-purchased buses used in the effort?
Who could have predicted the anarchy resulting as a consequence? The
individuals who devolved into lawless animals embarrass the entirety of
America. (I worked in a U.S. Embassy overseas for a couple years and I
can imagine what foreign diplomats are thinking.) What societal factors
would ever lead people to believe that this behavior was even remotely
acceptable?
The folks in New Orleans who are perpetrating the violence and
lawlessness are not that way because of low income or of race, but
because they personally do not have any honor or commitment to higher
ideals. The civil-rights leaders should be ashamed at playing the blame
game.
The blame is on the individuals. The blame is on the society that
allowed these individuals to develop the ideal that the individual is
greater than the national pride he is destroying. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice was very clear in her comments that she was offended at
those who suggested the suffering in New Orleans was prolonged because
of race.
As a retired Marine, I hang my head in shame to see my fellow Americans
degenerate so far. I spent so many years in the Corps helping the
citizens of other countries rise to a higher level of personal
responsibility to ensure that in case of emergency, anarchy did not
necessarily follow. When people are held to a higher standard of
personal responsibility and they accept that, then they will do the
right thing when the time comes.
It seems that the mayor of New Orleans is leading the effort in not
taking responsibility for his actions. The emergency managers for the
state of Louisiana do not have much to say either. The failure in the
first 48 hours to provide direction for survivors is theirs to live
with. When FEMA was able to take over, it started out behind and had to
develop its plan on the fly. Now the federal government has established
priorities -- rescue the stranded, evacuate the city, flow in resources
and fix the levee. It appears that now there is a plan and it is being
systematically executed.
Hurricane Katrina was a national tragedy -- not just in the number of
lives lost or the amount of physical damage, but also in the failure of
people to do what is right when no one is looking.
Craig Martelle, retired as a major in the U.S. Marine
Corps, lives in North Huntingdon. He recently launched the Strategic
Outlook Institute, a public-policy organization.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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"Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:15:57 -0500, "Jeff McCann" <NoSpam@NoThanks.org>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:36:20 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 20:54:15 -0700, wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
FEMA was supposed to be able to handle something at least as big as
new
orleans....they couldnt though because most of the homeland security
funds have been squandered by giving money to every podunk city and
county in america.
Fema DID handle it. And the funds were spent.
To who, Halliburton?
GOP, the party of Treason.
They were asleep at the switch, got caught napping, took some political
heat
for it, then recklessly threw money at the problem in the hope of making
it
go away, in typical NeoCon mismanagement fashion.
Jeff
Your lies are again exposed. You never learn do you?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/fema.audit/index.html
<Laughter> Once again, your own cite prove MY point!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05249/566101.stm
So? Who said the city or state did a good job, either? Not me. But that
doesn't excuse the Bush Administration's own errors. Go buy a clue, or just
STFU, why doncha'?
Jeff
Craig Martelle: FEMA is not a first responder
Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans.
Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state
responsibility
Tuesday, September 06, 2005
As one who has received training by FEMA in emergency management and
also training by the Department of Defense in consequence management, I
believe that the federal response in New Orleans needs clarification.
The key to emergency management starts at the local level and expands to
the state level. Emergency planning generally does not include any
federal guarantees, as there can only be limited ones from the federal
level for any local plan. FEMA provides free training, education,
assistance and respond in case of an emergency, but the local and state
officials run their own emergency management program.
Prior development of an emergency plan, addressing all foreseeable
contingencies, is the absolute requirement of the local government --and
then they share that plan with the state emergency managers to ensure
that the state authorities can provide necessary assets not available at
the local level. Additionally, good planning will include applicable
elements of the federal government (those located in the local area).
These processes are well established, but are contingent upon the
personal drive of both hired and elected officials at the local level.
I've reviewed the New Orleans emergency management plan. Here is an
important section in the first paragraph.
"We coordinate all city departments and allied state and federal
agencies which respond to citywide disasters and emergencies through the
development and constant updating of an integrated multi-hazard plan.
All requests for federal disaster assistance and federal funding
subsequent to disaster declarations are also made through this office.
Our authority is defined by the Louisiana Emergency Assistance and
Disaster Act of 1993, Chapter 6 Section 709, Paragraph B, 'Each parish
shall maintain a Disaster Agency which, except as otherwise provided
under this act, has jurisdiction over and serves the entire parish.' "
Check the plan -- the "we" in this case is the office of the mayor, Ray
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