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02 Apr 2005 03:55:34 PM |
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Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do
jack ***** to save the pope. Yet Jesus ridiculously boasted in his
Sermon on the Mount, (Matt 7:7) "Ask and it will be given to you; seek
and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For
everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks,
the door will be opened." Yet again, Jesus fails to keep his promise
despite the sincere prayers of so many deluded catholics. I expect
there will be many apologetics now about how "God answered -- he said
'No'," or "the pope was too good to stay in this world", etc, etc.
It's all *****, of course, as is all religion. The pope set himself
up as a virtual God on earth and yet all of his arrogant conceits have
come to nothing.
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| User: "goo goo" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
03 Apr 2005 07:09:16 AM |
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"Patrick" <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote in message
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Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying
for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
I didn't pray that God's Will be done, but He Done It Anyway.
I do my thing, God Does His.
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
03 Apr 2005 10:56:50 AM |
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"goo goo" <lastenospam@deadwood.com> wrote in message
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"Patrick" <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote in message
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Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying
for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
I didn't pray that God's Will be done, but He Done It Anyway.
I do my thing, God Does His.
I did not pray for the Pope.
I think Goo Goo's statement comes closer to what prayer is supposed to be,
anyway.
Luke 18: 9 -14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down
on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a
tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: ‘God, I thank you that
I am not like other men–robbers, evildoers, adulterers–or even like this tax
collector.
12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up
to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified
before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who
humbles himself will be exalted
RJ P
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| User: "goo goo" |
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06 Apr 2005 12:04:19 AM |
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"Bob Pease" <pope@youkno.net> wrote in message
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"goo goo" <lastenospam@deadwood.com> wrote in message
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"Patrick" <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote in message
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Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only
praying
for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
I didn't pray that God's Will be done, but He Done It Anyway.
I do my thing, God Does His.
I did not pray for the Pope.
I think Goo Goo's statement comes closer to what prayer is supposed to be,
anyway.
Don't you think a lot of the public prayer at times like this is really a
matter of 'good form', a show of unity, doing what is expected, etc.? I
can't imagine too many people were seriously praying for a miraculous
recovery, but I could be wrong about that.
I like what you said in another thread about prayer for acceptance. Take
away the religious connotation, I still need whatever help I can get,
sometimes, accepting *what is*.
Luke 18: 9 -14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down
on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a
tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you
that
I am not like other men-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this
tax
collector.
12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up
to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a
sinner.'
14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified
before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who
humbles himself will be exalted
RJ P
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
02 Apr 2005 08:41:33 PM |
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In article <v2ku41l75boopibkfd1e77vb985rcjbpai@4ax.com>,
barker_pb@erinot.com says...
Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
Which is about like paying someone to either wash or not wash your
car. I guess if you put money on every number on the roulette wheel
then you're bound to "win" on one of them.
But I am a bit intrigued. You're saying that you felt it necessary
to ask god to do what he was going to do anyway. You're the second
time-wasting moron today who's made that braindead comment. What's
next, praying for Jesus to either come back or stay AWOL? With an
attitude like that, how do you manage to dress yourself in the
morning. Do you like, flip a coin, and go to work naked half the
time or something? Or do you not have to worry about dressing
yourself and going to work at the mental institution in which you're
being kept?
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "LP" |
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03 Apr 2005 01:19:05 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:10:25 -0500, Patrick <barker_pb@erinot.com>
wrote:
Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
So then, by this you are implying that it is possible for your God's
will to NOT bet done.
Am I correct?
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| User: "georgann" |
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03 Apr 2005 08:41:50 PM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
LP wrote:
So then, by this you are implying that it is possible for your God's will to
NOT bet done.
Am I correct?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No you are not correct. It is only possible for people to attempt to resist
God's will. This is what is commonly known as sin. I prayed that God's will
be done in that the Pope would be serene and secure in his salvation and
that his passing would be without pain.
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"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
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http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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03 Apr 2005 10:28:29 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I prayed that God's will
be done in that the Pope would be serene and secure in his salvation and
that his passing would be without pain.
When you say you "prayed", what *exactly* do you mean? That you hoped real
hard? That you tried to appease/beg/petition the deity from acting like a
sadist in inflicting pain at the time of dying (like he did with Jesus)?
What if the Pope *wasn't* "serene and secure in his salvation" (like Jesus
wasn't in his time of suffering) and that's the way it's supposed to be? I
think that I understand the importance of contemplation, but I don't at all
understand what you mean by "prayer".
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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04 Apr 2005 02:39:31 AM |
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"Newk Indofman" <nkom@newkindofman.org> wrote in message
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I prayed that God's will
be done in that the Pope would be serene and secure in his salvation and
that his passing would be without pain.
When you say you "prayed", what *exactly* do you mean? That you hoped real
hard? That you tried to appease/beg/petition the deity from acting like a
sadist in inflicting pain at the time of dying (like he did with Jesus)?
What if the Pope *wasn't* "serene and secure in his salvation" (like Jesus
wasn't in his time of suffering) and that's the way it's supposed to be? I
think that I understand the importance of contemplation, but I don't at
all
understand what you mean by "prayer".
And, since your 'God' already knows exactly what is going to
happen, since it made everything that way, who are you to pray
for a possible change? What nerve. Prayers are an insult to
your god. Think about it.
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| User: "arjay" |
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04 Apr 2005 03:19:07 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 03:39:31 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Newk Indofman" <nkom@newkindofman.org> wrote in message
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I prayed that God's will
be done in that the Pope would be serene and secure in his salvation and
that his passing would be without pain.
When you say you "prayed", what *exactly* do you mean? That you hoped real
hard? That you tried to appease/beg/petition the deity from acting like a
sadist in inflicting pain at the time of dying (like he did with Jesus)?
What if the Pope *wasn't* "serene and secure in his salvation" (like Jesus
wasn't in his time of suffering) and that's the way it's supposed to be? I
think that I understand the importance of contemplation, but I don't at
all
understand what you mean by "prayer".
And, since your 'God' already knows exactly what is going to
happen, since it made everything that way, who are you to pray
for a possible change? What nerve. Prayers are an insult to
your god. Think about it.
Mickey, I hope you intended that message for georgann.
Your post appears to be a response to Newk -- but he's already arguing
from your perspective.
arjay
Ubi dubium ibi libertas
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:06:46 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:15:26 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just confirmed
that.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:32:40 AM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just confirmed
that.
Indeed. If by not praying, the same things will happen, then what's
the point of praying?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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04 Apr 2005 10:06:27 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without
pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just
confirmed
that.
Indeed. If by not praying, the same things will happen, then what's
the point of praying?
If prayerfolk didn't pray, they would be out hasseling people and maybe get
a few converts to their Theocratic gorp.
In this sense, the course of the future could very well depend on the amount
of time spent praying.
Side question
Is it OK use a Prayer Wheel or a Jodo Shinshu Buddhist Rosary, or to say
Namu Amida Butsu or Hare Krishna.
Are some prayers OK because they are PC?
AmIHolyAreYouHolyIs GodHolyis HolyHoly?
RJ P
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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05 Apr 2005 09:04:46 AM |
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Bob Pease <pope@youkno.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without
pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just
confirmed that.
Indeed. If by not praying, the same things will happen, then what's
the point of praying?
If prayerfolk didn't pray, they would be out hasseling people and maybe get
a few converts to their Theocratic gorp.
So you're encouraging them to pray to keep them occupied? :)
In this sense, the course of the future could very well depend on the amount
of time spent praying.
Side question
Is it OK use a Prayer Wheel or a Jodo Shinshu Buddhist Rosary, or to say
Namu Amida Butsu or Hare Krishna.
Are some prayers OK because they are PC?
Praying while using candles or incense is wrong according to georgann.
AmIHolyAreYouHolyIs GodHolyis HolyHoly?
AreYouDrunk? :)
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:36:54 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without
pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just
confirmed
that.
Indeed. If by not praying, the same things will happen, then what's
the point of praying?
Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers". Funny, but
I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:49:06 AM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I prayed that God's will be done in that the Pope would be serene
and secure in his salvation and that his passing would be without
pain.
Why did that require your prayers?
It didn't. Like she said, her god's going to do what he wants anyway.
I've always felt that prayer was a waste of time - georgann just
confirmed that.
Indeed. If by not praying, the same things will happen, then what's
the point of praying?
Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers". Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Apr 2005 09:59:33 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers". Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Apr 2005 08:10:41 AM |
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In our last episode <3bd31oF6ivk9aU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers".
Funny, but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them praying
or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god will get
mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need to
pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
Bingo!
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
06 Apr 2005 08:55:13 PM |
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:tkk251t8v1g4qdupdndeguf5gsv6p265h2@4ax.com...
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers". Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
BINGO!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Apr 2005 03:57:49 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:tkk251t8v1g4qdupdndeguf5gsv6p265h2@4ax.com...
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers".
Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
BINGO!
And since there's no evidence that this god exists, it just a complete waste
of time.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
07 Apr 2005 11:17:25 AM |
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 04:57:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
snip
Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers".
Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
BINGO!
And since there's no evidence that this god exists, it just a complete waste
of time.
Other than keeping another child from being molested a bit longer.
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| User: "arjay" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
05 Apr 2005 03:14:06 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:33 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
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Who the hell knows? My MIL always has someone "in her prayers". Funny,
but I don't recall that doing my dad any good :P
Perhaps people like georgann believe that their god can see them
praying or groveling, and that if they quit doing so, then their god
will get mad at them?
Even though they realize prayer is useless, they still feel the need
to pray because they think their god is watching them?
Probably. I'm starting to think that christianity is more about scoring
brownie points with their diety than actually doing anything positive for
the fellow human beings :P
The two are as good as one to Xians.
Do something positive for a fellow human and you score brownie points.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
06 Apr 2005 08:53:36 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:10:25 -0500, Patrick <barker_pb@erinot.com>
wrote:
Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
{laughter}
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America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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02 Apr 2005 09:41:43 PM |
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Patrick <barker_pb@erinot.com> wrote in message
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Newk Indofman" wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying
for
him to live longer?
Forgive me (right now), but what *were* you praying for?
+ I prayed that God's Will be done.
Which is stupid, since an omnipotent being is going to do whatever He
fucking well pleases regardless.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Apr 2005 05:03:27 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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quibbler247@yahoo.com wrote:
Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do
jack ***** to save the pope.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Yes, absolutely! Do you doubt it?
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| User: "georgann" |
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02 Apr 2005 07:02:25 PM |
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Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do jack
***** to save the pope.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Denis Loubet wrote:
Yes, absolutely! Do you doubt it?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There's nothing to "doubt". I don't think most people pray for longer life
at a time like that, given his age and overall health. I believe they pray
for resolve, dignity and strength in the face of death. Believers don't
believe that death can be prevented by prayer.
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on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 Apr 2005 10:50:51 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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There's nothing to "doubt". I don't think most people pray for longer life
at a time like that, given his age and overall health. I believe they pray
for resolve, dignity and strength in the face of death. Believers don't
believe that death can be prevented by prayer.
You have GOT to be kidding. Having fun playing those bagpipes?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Apr 2005 11:53:30 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE74AACB.597E9%chenault@mindspring.com...
Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do
jack
***** to save the pope.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying
for
him to live longer?
Denis Loubet wrote:
Yes, absolutely! Do you doubt it?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There's nothing to "doubt". I don't think most people pray for longer life
at a time like that, given his age and overall health. I believe they pray
for resolve, dignity and strength in the face of death. Believers don't
believe that death can be prevented by prayer.
Damn! A bigger abject lie I've seldom heard.
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Apr 2005 08:47:10 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:53:30 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE74AACB.597E9%chenault@mindspring.com...
Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do
jack
***** to save the pope.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying
for
him to live longer?
Denis Loubet wrote:
Yes, absolutely! Do you doubt it?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There's nothing to "doubt". I don't think most people pray for longer life
at a time like that, given his age and overall health. I believe they pray
for resolve, dignity and strength in the face of death. Believers don't
believe that death can be prevented by prayer.
Damn! A bigger abject lie I've seldom heard.
Georgann's been practicing.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer Couldn't Save The Pope |
03 Apr 2005 02:45:38 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:02:25 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Despite the prayers of hundreds of millions and masses being held every
hour, on the hour, in many places around the world, they couldn't do jack
***** to save the pope.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you imagine that all or even most of those people were only praying for
him to live longer?
Denis Loubet wrote:
Yes, absolutely! Do you doubt it?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
There's nothing to "doubt". I don't think most people pray for longer life
at a time like that, given his age and overall health. I believe they pray
for resolve, dignity and strength in the face of death. Believers don't
believe that death can be prevented by prayer.
Which is in direct contradiction to Jesus's unconditional promise that
whatever believers ask for in prayer will be given to them.
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