Religions > Atheism > Preacher accused of molesting girl; cops find meth in his car
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14 Mar 2005 10:25:46 PM |
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Preacher accused of molesting girl; cops find meth in his car |
Ya, we've got another one of these here in the Dallas area, showed up on the
TV news tonight.
Not that another one surprises me any . . .
-Tock
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16 Mar 2005 08:05:12 AM |
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Ya, we've got another one of these here in the Dallas
area, showed up on the TV news tonight.
Not that another one surprises me any . . .
-Tock
There was a preacher from one of those fundamentalist sects
arrested in south Alabama last week for molesting a 13yr old
girl. He probably thought she was "marryin age"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Mar 2005 11:19:39 PM |
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Ya, we've got another one of these here in the Dallas area, showed up on
the TV news tonight.
Not that another one surprises me any . . .
Bishop Hornbuckle. A classic tent-preacher, only he had a zillion dollar
church.
You gotta give that one victim credit. She had the presence of mind to snap
some pictures on her cell phone and gave 'em to the cops.
What was really bogus was to see the Board of Directors for the Church corp
on the news tonight proudly saying that they were going to "continue to do
the good work".
I think that if the Slave States would just do away with these little
predatory preachers - the only Christians left would be 4 people in
Greenville.
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| User: "bam" |
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14 Mar 2005 11:27:24 PM |
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I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
BAM
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Ya, we've got another one of these here in the Dallas area, showed up on
the TV news tonight.
Not that another one surprises me any . . .
Bishop Hornbuckle. A classic tent-preacher, only he had a zillion dollar
church.
You gotta give that one victim credit. She had the presence of mind to
snap some pictures on her cell phone and gave 'em to the cops.
What was really bogus was to see the Board of Directors for the Church
corp on the news tonight proudly saying that they were going to "continue
to do the good work".
I think that if the Slave States would just do away with these little
predatory preachers - the only Christians left would be 4 people in
Greenville.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher accused of molesting girl; cops find meth in his car |
14 Mar 2005 11:32:41 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
That's the Catholic's problem.
This was a privately held corporate church in a slave state that was one of
the original Meth states as well - Texas.
Their problem is greed, sloth and Hubris - NOT celibacy.
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| User: "bam" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:05:40 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
That's the Catholic's problem.
This was a privately held corporate church in a slave state that was one
of the original Meth states as well - Texas.
Their problem is greed, sloth and Hubris - NOT celibacy.
The perfect answer to the wrong question.
So celibacy is not the primary cause of molestation?
BAM
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:42:16 AM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
The perfect answer to the wrong question.
So celibacy is not the primary cause of molestation?
No more than water is the cause of fire.
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| User: "" |
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15 Mar 2005 10:23:21 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
That's the Catholic's problem.
This was a privately held corporate church in a slave state that
was one
of the original Meth states as well - Texas.
Their problem is greed, sloth and Hubris - NOT celibacy.
The perfect answer to the wrong question.
So celibacy is not the primary cause of molestation?
BAM
Would you say that poverty is the cause for theft?
I would say that self-serving behavior with either no self-control or
no conscience is the cause for behavior like this. If they're
preachers, then they're hypocrites to boot (not every rapist, thief, or
killer is a hypocrite.)
I would suggest that a certain percentage of guys who go into the
priesthood have sexual ...issues, and wouldn't likely marry anyway. A
certain percentage of preachers like control over their flock and
exploit them, and a certain percentage of cops attract bullies. I would
not presume to offer numbers on these, but I do think we can take steps
to reduce the problem people each line of work attracts.
Kermit
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| User: "bam" |
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15 Mar 2005 02:11:13 PM |
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<unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
That's the Catholic's problem.
This was a privately held corporate church in a slave state that
was one
of the original Meth states as well - Texas.
Their problem is greed, sloth and Hubris - NOT celibacy.
The perfect answer to the wrong question.
So celibacy is not the primary cause of molestation?
BAM
Would you say that poverty is the cause for theft?
Absolutely not. Look at Maurice Greenberg - one of the richest men on earth
and he steals like a number one batter.
BAM
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| User: "Tilly" |
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15 Mar 2005 07:02:13 AM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Their problem is greed, sloth and Hubris - NOT celibacy.
Similar to the Bakkers!
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Tilly
striking1583REMOVE@yahoo.co.nz
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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15 Mar 2005 07:09:54 AM |
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bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much molestation
going on there. There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue
for it. No big money, no big headlines.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:16:18 PM |
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"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue for it. No big
money, no big headlines.
And no national conspiracy to spirit away the Pedophiles to new hunting
grounds.
This evil claim, that the little boys allowed themselves to be raped so they
could sue the church is just simple, faith-based hatred.
THAT is why Catholic Churches all over the nation are going bankrupt -
because they've taken a stand for the church, and AGAINST God's law.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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16 Mar 2005 12:41:43 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:16:18 GMT, "Sanders Kaufman"
<usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue for it. No big
money, no big headlines.
And no national conspiracy to spirit away the Pedophiles to new hunting
grounds.
That's certainly true.
This evil claim, that the little boys allowed themselves to be raped so they
could sue the church is just simple, faith-based hatred.
I would have to agree with that, also. It's worse than an evil claim,
people who say such things ought themselves be subjected to the kind
of molestation - adjusted for scale, meaning where applicable a 2-foot
penis as thick as a can of beer - that the young men and little boys
had to endure.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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15 Mar 2005 09:26:25 AM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much
molestation going on there. There just isn't any presiding church
authority to sue for it. No big money, no big headlines.
The Protestants, by-in-large, have gotten rid of pedophile ministers and
turned them over to the authorities. Not so with the Catholic Church. Had
the Catholic Church done the right thing to begin with, they wouldn't be
having these problems now.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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16 Mar 2005 12:07:24 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> wrote in
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much
molestation going on there. There just isn't any presiding church
authority to sue for it. No big money, no big headlines.
The Protestants, by-in-large, have gotten rid of pedophile ministers
and turned them over to the authorities. Not so with the Catholic
Church. Had the Catholic Church done the right thing to begin with,
they wouldn't be having these problems now.
Yep. Psychologists who study clerical sex abuse say that RCC priests are
no more likely than other clergy to be abusers; they've had more victims
because the church hierarchy gave them opportunities to re-offend. So I
don't think the celibacy requirement has much to do with it directly
(indirectly, it might have caused people to let their guard down and look
the other way at opportunities for priests to be alone with kids,
opportunities that would ordinarily set off alarm bells).
In many ways, the main reason the RCC is bearing the brunt of the problem
is that it's the only Christian church with a sufficiently large,
bureaucrat hierarchy to be able to behave the way it did (covering up is
classic behavior for a large hierarchy).
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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16 Mar 2005 12:21:05 PM |
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Eric Bohlman <ebohlman@omsdev.com> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> wrote in
news:B8DZd.9407$oO4.1994@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much
molestation going on there. There just isn't any presiding church
authority to sue for it. No big money, no big headlines.
The Protestants, by-in-large, have gotten rid of pedophile ministers
and turned them over to the authorities. Not so with the Catholic
Church. Had the Catholic Church done the right thing to begin with,
they wouldn't be having these problems now.
Yep. Psychologists who study clerical sex abuse say that RCC priests
are no more likely than other clergy to be abusers; they've had more
victims because the church hierarchy gave them opportunities to
re-offend. So I don't think the celibacy requirement has much to do
with it directly (indirectly, it might have caused people to let
their guard down and look the other way at opportunities for priests
to be alone with kids, opportunities that would ordinarily set off
alarm bells).
I agree. Although I do think that the celibacy requirement may have made
joining the priesthood attractive to pedophiles that knew that their lack of
an adult relationship would not be questioned. That and the fact that the
"target rich" environment was made relatively safe by the organization.
In many ways, the main reason the RCC is bearing the brunt of the
problem is that it's the only Christian church with a sufficiently
large, bureaucrat hierarchy to be able to behave the way it did
(covering up is classic behavior for a large hierarchy).
Agreed.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Matty" |
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15 Mar 2005 10:32:00 PM |
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On 2005-03-16 04:26:25 +1300, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> said:
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much
molestation going on there. There just isn't any presiding church
authority to sue for it. No big money, no big headlines.
The Protestants, by-in-large, have gotten rid of pedophile ministers and
turned them over to the authorities. Not so with the Catholic Church. Had
the Catholic Church done the right thing to begin with, they wouldn't be
having these problems now.
Yeap, like I said originally, chuck them to the cop-shop, and allow the
coppers to do the investigation. If proven there is in-proprietary,
then these "kiddie fuckers" should be thrown in the slammer.
Matt
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"Erotica uses a feather but porn uses the whole chicken" - Unknown
"Difference between Erotica and Pornography is the lighting" - Woody Allen
http://kaiwai.blogspot.com
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16 Mar 2005 12:22:42 AM |
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"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
Yeap, like I said originally, chuck them to the cop-shop, and allow the
coppers to do the investigation. If proven there is in-proprietary,
then these "kiddie fuckers" should be thrown in the slammer.
Unfortunately, too often in the USA these types of criminals get sent to
special prisons where they are kept isolated and protected from other inmates.
I think it's much better justice for them to be placed in regular prisons where
other inmates may treat them to the very same experiences they dished out to
those kids. However, Jesus Himself also described a punishment for these
priests/preachers - tie them to a very large rock and toss 'em overboard.
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| User: "Rick" |
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15 Mar 2005 09:01:17 AM |
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Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much molestation
going on there.
What is your evidence for this?
There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue
for it. No big money, no big headlines.
- Rick
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:16:20 PM |
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"Rick" <Npl1O_SalphaP_AgeekM@juno.com> wrote in message
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Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much molestation
going on there.
What is your evidence for this?
Faith?
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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15 Mar 2005 12:58:17 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:01:17 -0600, "Rick"
<Npl1O_SalphaP_AgeekM@juno.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much molestation
going on there.
What is your evidence for this?
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue
for it. No big money, no big headlines.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:16:25 PM |
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"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:01:17 -0600, "Rick"
What is your evidence for this?
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
Your "everybody does it" defense is pissing on God's law.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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15 Mar 2005 03:44:37 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:01:17 -0600, "Rick"
What is your evidence for this?
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
Your "everybody does it" defense is pissing on God's law.
What, pray tell, is it that you have deluded yourself into believing
that I am "defending"? :-? Or didn't you bother to read?
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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16 Mar 2005 12:38:41 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:42:35 GMT, "Sanders Kaufman"
<usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
Your "everybody does it" defense is pissing on God's law.
What, pray tell, is it that you have deluded yourself into believing that
I am "defending"? :-? Or didn't you bother to read?
Catholic pedohpiles.
It seems, and I could be wrong about this, that you are bringing up other
faith's sexual problems as a distraction from the Big One.
You are wrong about this. But thanks for asking! :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
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| User: "Fritz" |
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16 Mar 2005 10:48:29 AM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
Your "everybody does it" defense is pissing on God's law.
What, pray tell, is it that you have deluded yourself into believing that
I am "defending"? :-? Or didn't you bother to read?
Catholic pedohpiles.
It seems, and I could be wrong about this, that you are bringing up other
faith's sexual problems as a distraction from the Big One.
Aren't you doing the same thing, with your "Catholic pedophile"?
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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16 Mar 2005 01:59:51 PM |
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"Fritz" <fsmith@bc21212447pl.net> wrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
What, pray tell, is it that you have deluded yourself into believing
that
I am "defending"? :-? Or didn't you bother to read?
Catholic pedohpiles.
It seems, and I could be wrong about this, that you are bringing up other
faith's sexual problems as a distraction from the Big One.
Aren't you doing the same thing, with your "Catholic pedophile"?
I see your point - but no.
The pedophelia rampant in the Catlholic church is unrelated to the
pedophelia in this one Baptist church.
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| User: "Rick" |
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16 Mar 2005 07:28:13 AM |
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Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:01:17 -0600, "Rick"
<Npl1O_SalphaP_AgeekM@juno.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote in message ...
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much molestation
going on there.
What is your evidence for this?
My hometown, for one. Just about every child there was molested by
elders of the various hopelessly protestant churches, including to one
degree or another yours truly. But if you don't care to believe it,
so be it. :-)
I have no problem believing it happens. I'm also pretty sure that the plural
of anecdote is not data.
There just isn't any presiding church authority to sue
for it. No big money, no big headlines.
- Rick
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| User: "" |
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15 Mar 2005 08:30:39 AM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
bam wrote:
I thought that the primary cause of all this molestation was due to
celibacy?
I doubt it. Much as the Protestants love to hoop & hollar about the
corruption in the Catholic church, there's at least as much
molestation
going on there.
A uber-father-figure in a culture that thinks women
are possessions of men, of course you're going to
have sexual exploitation by preachers. My mom has
worked child abuse investigations for a couple
decades now, fundie christians make up a relative
minority in her area but a strong majority in the
offender population for child sex abuse cases.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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