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"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:04:25 AM |
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Preacher sought in rape attack |
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
January 24, 2005
West Memphis, AR- He's a well known man in West Memphis. Reverend
Herman Coleman is a long time member of the city council, a
respected businessman, the head of a local church and now police
say a fugitive of the law. "He is an active fugitive at this time
and we are seeking to arrest him on a warrant that was issued
Friday," says Assistant Chief Mike Allen with the West Memphis
Police Department.
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher." Then the woman claims Reverend Coleman raped her. The
accusations sent a shock wave through the community. "It's really
a shame. It really is, who would think that someone like that
would do something like that, that's really embarrassing," says
Sandra Alls of West Memphis. "I never heard of anything like this
in his character. This is very unlike the man that I know. He is a
very respected man, a pastor in the community," says West Memphis
City Councilman Marco McClendon.
City council members tell us Reverend Coleman missed their last
meeting and employees at his insurance company don't know where he
is. West Memphis Police say instead of turning himself in today
Reverend Coleman made a phone call. "He has called and said he
would not be here until Wednesday. So, we are seeking to arrest
him on this warrant today," says Assistant Chief Allen.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
26 Jan 2005 07:55:54 PM |
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(The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
26 Jan 2005 05:20:41 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Not that I think the preacher is behaving with any sense, whether he
actually did it or not, mind you.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 04:51:31 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Yeah, so very few Christian preachers have ever exhibited sexual problems.
I mean come on, how so very unlikely.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 02:01:24 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgi6o3c71d499@corp.supernews.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile)
wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Yeah, so very few Christian preachers have ever exhibited sexual problems.
I mean come on, how so very unlikely.
Give me a break. Comparatively few DO. It's just that when one does,
everybody gets told. Now, tell me, if a sexual predator turns out to be an
atheist, would that tidbit be mentioned?
Believe me, you never see a headline that reads "RAPIST WAS NOT A SUNDAY
SCHOOL TEACHER". or "BANK ROBBER NEVER WENT TO CHURCH IN HIS LIFE'. It's
only when the action taken conflicts with the claimed way of life that the
disconnect (and the headlines) occur. Be fair here.
Remember, if it were all that common an occurance, it wouldn't be considered
NEWS.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 08:17:02 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgi6o3c71d499@corp.supernews.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile)
wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Yeah, so very few Christian preachers have ever exhibited sexual problems.
I mean come on, how so very unlikely.
Give me a break. Comparatively few DO.
That's nonsense, a great many Christian leaders are sexually dysfunctional
to the point where they constitute a serious hazard to society. What's not
readily apparently is the _percentage_ that hasn't been caught and exposed
yet thanks to the Christian behavior of hiding their sex criminals from
the law.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 06:26:23 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgu825731l556@corp.supernews.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgi6o3c71d499@corp.supernews.com...
"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile)
wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that
it's
also true.
Yeah, so very few Christian preachers have ever exhibited sexual
problems.
I mean come on, how so very unlikely.
Give me a break. Comparatively few DO.
That's nonsense, a great many Christian leaders are sexually dysfunctional
to the point where they constitute a serious hazard to society. What's
not
readily apparently is the _percentage_ that hasn't been caught and exposed
yet thanks to the Christian behavior of hiding their sex criminals from
the law.
A great many PEOPLE have this problem. But...only the Christians are
mentioned as being
Christian upon arrest, and nobody pays much attention to the arrest of a
dirtbag they expect to get arrested. That's not, again, NEWS.
What you need to do is show me, by arrest records and conviction statistics,
that 'Christian leaders' actually commit, and are convicted, for such
conduct in a greater percentage than any member of any other group.
Now, that said, pedophiles tend to go into professions that will get them
access to their victims. So, a pedophile is more likely to seek to be a
youth leader, etc. This I do know. So your stats are going to have to show
that Christian leaders are more likely to be pedophiles or commit other
sexually based crimes than any other profession that has access to the
victim pool.
And yes, you ARE the one making the claim, so you ARE the one who has to
prove it.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 03:08:03 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:01:24 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Remember, if it were all that common an occurance, it wouldn't be considered
NEWS.
Rape is not a common occurrence (aren't you glad?). Whether it's
committed by a preacher, an atheist or a repeat offender, it's not
common. But, sadly these days, sexual misconduct by a "man of the
cloth" *is* becoming more common.
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contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 06:22:02 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:01:24 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Remember, if it were all that common an occurance, it wouldn't be
considered
NEWS.
Rape is not a common occurrence (aren't you glad?). Whether it's
committed by a preacher, an atheist or a repeat offender, it's not
common. But, sadly these days, sexual misconduct by a "man of the
cloth" *is* becoming more common.
I don't think so, unfortunately. I just think it's becoming more reported.
And people are looking for it harder.
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| User: "stoney" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:23:25 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:22:02 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:hlmgv0hv3gmn972u1nmlmh4bphh2jt378v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:01:24 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Remember, if it were all that common an occurance, it wouldn't be
considered
NEWS.
Rape is not a common occurrence (aren't you glad?). Whether it's
committed by a preacher, an atheist or a repeat offender, it's not
common. But, sadly these days, sexual misconduct by a "man of the
cloth" *is* becoming more common.
I don't think so, unfortunately. I just think it's becoming more reported.
And people are looking for it harder.
Agreed.
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at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
26 Jan 2005 09:19:35 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
There's this thing called "prior experience".
Not that I think the preacher is behaving with any sense, whether he
actually did it or not, mind you.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "DianaC" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:00:14 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:35qfr8F4ohc9eU1@individual.net...
DianaC wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vfiqbfbk8g0d4@corp.supernews.com...
desertphile@hotmail.com (The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile)
wrote:
http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2851043
According to a police incident report on January 10th, a woman who
was selling a house to Reverend Coleman alleges he pushed her into
a bedroom. She told him,"this can't happen you're supposed to be a
preacher."
<laughing> I found this both funny and appaling.
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
There's this thing called "prior experience".
Not that I think the preacher is behaving with any sense, whether he
actually did it or not, mind you.
What 'prior experience'? You mean your biased attitude, that if he's
religious he MUST, by definition, be a rapist? Now, I don't know whether he
is or not. However, in the case as it was presented (with no other evidence
one way or another) the ONLY thing that makes you think he was guilty is
that he was a preacher. That's just as stupid a line of thought as the one
that says if he was a preacher he couldn't have been.
It is just as likely, absent anything other than what we've been given here,
that the woman is lying through her teeth.
What we need is more information one way or the other.
Im not defending him because he's a preacher. I'm not defending him, period.
I AM pointing out a couple of things.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:13:10 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:20:41 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Flight is usually an admission of guilt.
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fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 01:33:53 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:20:41 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
And how very....typical...that everyone is automaticaly CERTAIN that it's
also true.
Flight is usually an admission of guilt.
It's one of the dumber things to do, yes. But it could ALSO mean just pure
funk if one is innocent. We'll see if he shows up today and turns himself
in.
Now me, I'm not making any judgments about this one way or the other; just
pointing out that his being a minister is irrelevent. however, his being a
minister has made those HERE automatically assume his guilt.
Which is EXACTLY as stupid as assuming that it makes him innocent.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
27 Jan 2005 02:29:44 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:33:53 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Now me, I'm not making any judgments about this one way or the other; just
pointing out that his being a minister is irrelevent.
To his guilt, yes. Not IF he's guilty.
however, his being a
minister has made those HERE automatically assume his guilt.
Nope - her accusation did that. His being a minister just gave some
of those posting something to jeer at when they accepted her
accusation.
--
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premature today."
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
28 Jan 2005 06:53:57 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:33:53 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Now me, I'm not making any judgments about this one way or the other; just
pointing out that his being a minister is irrelevent.
To his guilt, yes. Not IF he's guilty.
Ah...
but the impression I'm getting is that the fact that he is a minister seems
to be proof/evidence OF his guilt....
I wonder; if it turns out that he didn't do it, will anybody in here care?
however, his being a
minister has made those HERE automatically assume his guilt.
Nope - her accusation did that. His being a minister just gave some
of those posting something to jeer at when they accepted her
accusation.
Ah. of course; accusation equals guilt. Automatically.
Gotcha.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
28 Jan 2005 10:18:55 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:53:57 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:aekgv01f1l357crirtjuu29fj5lglshajm@4ax.com...
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:33:53 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:
Now me, I'm not making any judgments about this one way or the other; just
pointing out that his being a minister is irrelevent.
To his guilt, yes. Not IF he's guilty.
Ah...
but the impression I'm getting is that the fact that he is a minister seems
to be proof/evidence OF his guilt....
Not to me. I can't answer for others.
I wonder; if it turns out that he didn't do it, will anybody in here care?
Yes. Since most of the posters here are men, this would be a case of
a phony rape accusation. You bet we'd care. I expect that we'd treat
the woman a lot more harshly than we've treated the minister (which
has hardly been done, as far as I've seen).
however, his being a
minister has made those HERE automatically assume his guilt.
Nope - her accusation did that. His being a minister just gave some
of those posting something to jeer at when they accepted her
accusation.
Ah. of course; accusation equals guilt. Automatically.
Gotcha.
You don't. Accusation equals something to jeer at. As in "IF he's
guilty, it's a lot worse than if he were, say, a bank robber, or even
a shoe salesman."
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Preacher sought in rape attack |
28 Jan 2005 10:47:02 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:53:57 GMT, "DianaC"
<snip to>
You don't. Accusation equals something to jeer at. As in "IF he's
guilty, it's a lot worse than if he were, say, a bank robber, or even
a shoe salesman."
I'll wait and see. I'd like to think you were correct, that if it turns out
that he is innocent and this is a false accusation, that there will be just
as loud an outcry and as much....well....
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