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04 Apr 2007 12:54:01 AM |
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
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http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
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white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
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04 Apr 2007 02:49:09 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Apr 2007 06:32:00 PM |
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In article <b2m613pm1hkohlckta4di59643hn8cs418@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
LOL! Do you mean that when Hadrian finished building his wall he died
and the Welsh buried him?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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09 Apr 2007 06:13:24 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:32:00 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-D53A85.16320004042007@news.giganews.com>
In article <b2m613pm1hkohlckta4di59643hn8cs418@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
:
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http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
LOL! Do you mean that when Hadrian finished building his wall he died
and the Welsh buried him?
If the Welsh ever buried you, you'd wind up 6,500 feet underground!
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| User: "ThePhisherKIng Locker@BusStation" |
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04 Apr 2007 07:12:52 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:b2m613pm1hkohlckta4di59643hn8cs418@4ax.com:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging
the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers
to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year
and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor
with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does
confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
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04 Apr 2007 09:03:13 AM |
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"ThePhisherKIng" <Locker@BusStation> wrote in message news:Xns990853514F4E1Gilliam@38.119.97.2...
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:b2m613pm1hkohlckta4di59643hn8cs418@4ax.com:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging
the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers
to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year
and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor
with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does
confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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04 Apr 2007 07:38:23 AM |
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Michael Gray explained on 4/4/2007 :
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
Hadrian is in the "dog house". I forgot to take my 24 oz cup of
English Toffee Coffee with me when I stopped for a prescription. Got
back to the car to find cooling sticky coffee all over the passenger
seat, driver's seat, and Hadrian. He definitely is not available for
comments on ANYTHING right now! I am not speaking to him either! :-@
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04 Apr 2007 07:03:20 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:38:23 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <mn.218e7d74164f5b00.64065@att.net>
Michael Gray explained on 4/4/2007 :
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
:
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
Hadrian is in the "dog house". I forgot to take my 24 oz cup of
English Toffee Coffee with me when I stopped for a prescription. Got
back to the car to find cooling sticky coffee all over the passenger
seat, driver's seat, and Hadrian. He definitely is not available for
comments on ANYTHING right now! I am not speaking to him either! :-@
Bet he had an innocent "What'd I do?" look on his face!
That's a singular advantage of having a ute.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:08:15 PM |
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Michael Gray expressed precisely :
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:38:23 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <mn.218e7d74164f5b00.64065@att.net>
Michael Gray explained on 4/4/2007 :
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
Hadrian is in the "dog house". I forgot to take my 24 oz cup of
English Toffee Coffee with me when I stopped for a prescription. Got
back to the car to find cooling sticky coffee all over the passenger
seat, driver's seat, and Hadrian. He definitely is not available for
comments on ANYTHING right now! I am not speaking to him either! :-@
Bet he had an innocent "What'd I do?" look on his face!
That's a singular advantage of having a ute.
NO, no innocent look! He KNEW he was in trouble the nanosecond after I
opened the driver's door!!!! He knows whatever is not acceptable and
does it anyway!! :-@
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08 Apr 2007 03:59:08 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:19:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:54:01 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B16E30.22540103042007@news.giganews.com>
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades. Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
In other news: Prehistoric Italian found in Wales.
Hadrian not available for comment.
Lol!
atheist@home#1554
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04 Apr 2007 07:35:18 AM |
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johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
--
Pangur Ban - funter
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04 Apr 2007 06:29:04 PM |
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In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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04 Apr 2007 09:11:43 PM |
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johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Cioppi said researchers are cataloging the
organisms for lab research.
Also found among the bones were some shark teeth, leading researchers to
believe that the whale was attacked just before it died. Cioppi said it
was too soon to tell if the shark killed the whale.
Excavations for the whale skeleton began in February after an amateur
researcher came across the bones while digging for fossils last year and
alerted the museum. The skeleton was found about 100 yards underground
in Orciano Pisano, about 50 miles west of Florence, the museum said.
The warm waters that covered the Tuscan countryside started receding
about 1.5 million years ago, said Alessandro Garassino, a professor with
Milan's Museum of Natural History.
Now blessed with lavish vegetation and rolling hills, the Tuscan
countryside has yielded bones and fragments for centuries. Other whale
skeletons have been found, including one under a Tuscan vineyard only
weeks ago, according to news reports and officials.
"This is not an unusual" discovery, said Garassino. "But it does confirm
that the Mediterranean is favorable to the development of these sea
mammals."
The whale skeleton is expected to be displayed at the Florence museum
once it is restored.
---
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/ap/story.asp?AP_ID=D8O982CO1
--
Pangur Ban
Nemo repente fuit turpissimus.
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04 Apr 2007 11:51:04 PM |
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In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago, which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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05 Apr 2007 05:33:18 AM |
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After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
--
Pangur Ban
Nemo repente fuit turpissimus.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
05 Apr 2007 05:35:36 PM |
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In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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06 Apr 2007 09:17:41 AM |
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Harry F. Leopold submitted this idea :
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:35:36 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-F27313.15353605042007@news.giganews.com>):
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
The bacteria living on the minerals from the bones also feed other critters
in the food chain. You can get quite a decent ecosystem from one whale.
A micro-system though, yes?
I was fussing to my geology instructor (when I first began learning
about geology and fossils) that I was finding trilobites in such a
small area and why the heck weren't they findable just a foot or so on
either side???? I learned about micro-environments. :-) I knew about
them - really, I did - I just hadn't applied that knowledge in that
particular context. Wouldn't the whale provide a micro-environment ...
short-term (relatively)?
--
Pangur Ban - funter
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Fw: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
09 Apr 2007 11:18:49 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:17:41 -0500, Pangur Ban wrote
(in article <mn.31f17d745ed4a364.64065@att.net>):
Harry F. Leopold submitted this idea :
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:35:36 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-F27313.15353605042007@news.giganews.com>):
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and
a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of
the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _
shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in
a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
The bacteria living on the minerals from the bones also feed other critters
in the food chain. You can get quite a decent ecosystem from one whale.
A micro-system though, yes?
I was fussing to my geology instructor (when I first began learning
about geology and fossils) that I was finding trilobites in such a
small area and why the heck weren't they findable just a foot or so on
either side???? I learned about micro-environments. :-) I knew about
them - really, I did - I just hadn't applied that knowledge in that
particular context. Wouldn't the whale provide a micro-environment ...
short-term (relatively)?
Yep, and not so short-term in so far as the bacteria is concerned, I would
expect that a whole cascade of differing bacterial cultures would be the
result, one feeding another and then others growing upon them.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
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No fat, no calories, no salt, no carbs.
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| Title: Re: Fw: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
10 Apr 2007 09:39:27 AM |
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Harry F. Leopold submitted this idea :
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:17:41 -0500, Pangur Ban wrote
(in article <mn.31f17d745ed4a364.64065@att.net>):
Harry F. Leopold submitted this idea :
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:35:36 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-F27313.15353605042007@news.giganews.com>):
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and
a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of
the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _
shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in
a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
The bacteria living on the minerals from the bones also feed other critters
in the food chain. You can get quite a decent ecosystem from one whale.
A micro-system though, yes?
I was fussing to my geology instructor (when I first began learning
about geology and fossils) that I was finding trilobites in such a
small area and why the heck weren't they findable just a foot or so on
either side???? I learned about micro-environments. :-) I knew about
them - really, I did - I just hadn't applied that knowledge in that
particular context. Wouldn't the whale provide a micro-environment ...
short-term (relatively)?
Yep, and not so short-term in so far as the bacteria is concerned, I would
expect that a whole cascade of differing bacterial cultures would be the
result, one feeding another and then others growing upon them.
Shards and shells!! Life is so wonderful. The whale sinking to the sea
floor and then providing successive life forms a home .... nature - the
ultimate recycler.
--
Pangur Ban
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" Edmund Burke
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06 Apr 2007 08:08:50 AM |
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:35:36 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-F27313.15353605042007@news.giganews.com>):
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
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Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
The bacteria living on the minerals from the bones also feed other critters
in the food chain. You can get quite a decent ecosystem from one whale.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Your god wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
06 Apr 2007 05:07:49 PM |
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In article <0001HW.C23BB09200047B35F0284530@news.central.cox.net>,
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:35:36 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-F27313.15353605042007@news.giganews.com>):
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and
a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in
a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
The bacteria living on the minerals from the bones also feed other critters
in the food chain. You can get quite a decent ecosystem from one whale.
Sure and the bacteria would take care of the leftovers.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
05 Apr 2007 09:47:22 PM |
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johac explained on 4/5/2007 :
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4 million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
Just as well ... nothing wasted. :-)
--
Pangur Ban - funter
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
05 Apr 2007 11:47:09 PM |
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In article <mn.2cdf7d7434e7590c.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac explained on 4/5/2007 :
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and
a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in
a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
Just as well ... nothing wasted. :-)
Bacteria: Nature's recycling plant.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
06 Apr 2007 05:30:48 AM |
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johac explained :
In article <mn.2cdf7d7434e7590c.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac explained on 4/5/2007 :
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
Nearly all of Italy was once under water, and it is not unusual to
find
cetacean fossils in Tuscany.
But the whale skeleton's discovery, about 6 miles east of the
Mediterranean, was extraordinary because it was almost complete, and
a
wealth of organisms were found around it, officials said.
"The finding is spectacular," said Elisabetta Cioppi, the head of the
museum's paleontology department and coordinator of the excavation.
"The variety of the sea organisms associated with the whale _ shells,
fish and others _ is extraordinary. It enables us to make a thorough
reconstruction of the environment," she told The Associated Press in
a
telephone interview.
Fish and other sea organisms are believed to have lived off the
whale's
decomposing body for decades.
Decades??????? In a warm water sea?
That does seem long. When whales die in the open sea and sink to great
depths, I could see it, but I don't know about this one.
See HLF's post! Fascinating!
Yes I did. I remember seeing pictures about that and on the tube. I
think "Blue Planet" was on several years ago,
*sigh* I am SO behind the times. I am watching Blue Planet now and
thought it was "new".
I think that was where I saw it. The title rings a bell, but it could
have been another program, but I remember the whale.
which is where I might
have saw it. However, I thought that was in deep water. In the article
they said that the sea where the whale died was shallow and warm at the
time, allowing different kinds animals and microorganisms to grab a free
lunch.
The bones could survive in a warm shallow sea - providing a home for
all manner of sea life.
The bones would probably be the last to go, but even all of the protein
there would be consumed, by bacteria if nothing else.
Just as well ... nothing wasted. :-)
Bacteria: Nature's recycling plant.
I have a vague memory of a sci-fi story in which an engineered
bacterium nearly destroyed civilization ... it was developed to eat
plastic in garbage dumps.... can't remember the ending though.
--
Pangur Ban
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways ......totally
worn-out..... shouting, 'Yeehaw.....what a ride!'"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy |
06 Apr 2007 05:15:17 PM |
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In article <mn.310e7d742697bdb2.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac explained :
In article <mn.2cdf7d7434e7590c.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac explained on 4/5/2007 :
In article <mn.29117d74d084499b.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
After serious thinking johac wrote :
In article <mn.24bb7d74139baa3a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac submitted this idea :
In article <mn.218b7d740db948a1.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
johac wrote after much deliberation:
So did the whale go there for the wine or the pasta?
---
Prehistoric Whale Found in Inland Italy
By ALESSANDRA RIZZO
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2007
Italian researchers have excavated the skeleton of a 4
million-year-old
whale in the Tuscan countryside, a discovery that could help
reconstruct
the prehistoric environment of the sea that once covered the
region,
officials said Tuesday.
The 33-foot skeleton, dating to the Pliocene epoch, was found in
almost
perfect order, with only the jaw bones out of place, said
paleontologists with the Museum of Natural History in Florence.
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