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06 Feb 2006 06:04:35 AM |
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Presidential religious affiliations |
List of U.S. Presidential religious affiliations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_religious_affiliations
also
Franklin Steiner's "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/catalog/book_123.html
The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents
book cover
Freethought Library
From Washington to F.D.R.
Franklin Steiner
The religious beliefs and church preferences of America's presidents have
always been a topic of great interest and, indeed, have in recent history
played a critical role in their electability to the nation's highest
office. It is assumed that all our presidents have been practicing
religionists. But is this true?
In this exhaustively researched history of the religious beliefs of
America's first 32 presidents, from George Washington to Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, Franklin Steiner organizes his chapters not chronologically but
by religious affiliation. Thus we learn that Washington was not a regular
church attendant, that Jefferson and Lincoln were freethinkers, and that
another half dozen presidents were of "doubtful" religious belief.
Appendices include "Washington's Last Sickness and Death" and "Religious
Opinions and Habits of Washington."
"This book will help set the record straight about many historical errors
regarding our presidents . . ." The American Rationalist
"This book is filled with curious and interesting details. . . This is a
well-documented book, with citations of sources and careful consideration
of the authenticity of same; a valuable reference work indeed." Freethought
History
PAGES: 190 pp COMMENTS: (Bibliography)
ISBN: 0-87975-975-5 BINDING: Paper
PRICE: $21 SIZE: 6 x 9
CATEGORY: Freethought Library
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| Title: Re: Presidential religious affiliations |
08 Feb 2006 10:11:30 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:|When doing research, I prefer primary sources over secondary
:|(subjective) ones. Apparently you are more easily influenced.
First of all more evidence that you are the same old person. . You know
better than your comment above with regards to Bob. Yet you couldn't stop
yourself from blindly lashing out.
If you truly do research how do you explain being incorrect so often?
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Presidential religious affiliations |
09 Feb 2006 01:17:58 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|I don't know that you've ever shown me to be wrong.
Check out Google.
Any and all exchanges between us are archived there. Time after time after
time you have posted irrelevant quotes, etc. That is, when you even
bother to provide anything. I and others have told you they were
irrelevant, why it was and provided material to back up our claims and
shoot yours down.
Now it doesn't matter if you agree with this or not. it is all in Google.
You have shown time and time again you are blind to actual facts and the
meaning of those facts
Based on your posts on can say with accuracy that you don't have the
background or put in the time studying the overall historical background to
any of this stuff. Everything is related, it is part of a context that
stretches backwards and forward
You toss out a quote with no understanding of the context and as a result
you come to make premature and false conclusions. You then make
inaccurate claims. You then either poof from the thread or on rare
occasions you will try to defend your inaccurate position. you ignore any
and all evidence others present showing you are incorrect
:| As for Bob, my
:|comment was not "lashing out"
Delusion and denial are great aren't they?
:| but was a founded conclusion based on his
:|words.
False,
Look, you have admitted to having been on here several years and you have
admitted that you have had exchanges with Bob in the past.
Therefore, unless you are a total moron you have to have come to the
conclusion sooner or later that Bob is well educated, intelligent and on
the ball with regards to things he posts and knows how to find things if he
has any doubts about things
There is at least one person who comes and goes from time to time that I
wouldn't give the time of day to if i could avoid it, however, I know that
guy is very well educated, smart and has vast amounts of knowledge in this
very area. Unfortunately he has a need to play silly stupid games and
misuse that very knowledge as he plays his games.
No one can honestly make such a claim about Bob. He doesn't play games with
you dude.
There have been and probably will be times in future he and I have
disagreed but by and large I respect his comments on here,. He is one of
the few people I actually read when I am prone to skip a lot of others
Point being, you are being dishonest again
:| If he is willing to say that he uses primary sources, I'll
:|withdraw the charge.
LOL, who cares what you charge and if you withdraw them or not? You take
yourself far too seriously and think of yourself as being far too
important. Like it matters what you charge and if you withdraw such
A man of his intelligence, education and knowledge is fully aware of
primary sources, what they are, what their importance is, what they mean
and does use them
This entire reply of yours only highlights how little you do know about
such things
:| As for the book, how can my book be wrong about
:|the religious nature of the Presidents if it is just direct quotes from
:|their own words without commentary or conclusion on my part? I await
:|your answer.
The comments above show how unqualified you are to write a serious book on
such a topic
The answer is context. What was the entire statement or letter or journal
entry, etc? If to another who and what were the circumstances? How did
this quote or quotes fit in with other quotes made by the same person along
the same or related lines. How did this quote or quotes fit with actions
this person took at various times in his life etc
How do actions and comments/quotes by this same person that are opposite
to this quote you picked enter into the picture? Do you just ignore them?
To be a historian, which i do not claim to be, requires specialized
education and experience and there is a reason for that.
Historians are taught not to jump to premature conclusions, to look at the
whole picture as best as it is known by evidence.
Time after time your posts show you do not do that when you try to get into
the area of church state history in this country.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Presidential religious affiliations |
08 Feb 2006 08:32:05 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|I have them in my own free book, A Nation Under God, as well.
:|http://www.lulu.com/content/186379
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:|However, I'm guessing you weren't mentioning it for educational value.
Ahhhhhh, another new nick. You have more nicks than Carter has little liver
pills.
Did you receive guidance from above to post this?
Isn't that the reason you said you came back? To leave you out and do the
work of your higher master?
Were you instructed by that source to jump into other people's posts to
promote your book? It doesn't matter to me, but I am curious how you will
answer, curious to see if your really are "new" person or the same old you
of before.
Now, for educational purposes, all my posts are for informing and
educating those who might want to be informed. That is why, by and large,
I don't put "me," as such, in many if not most of my posts, but rather I
put primary source data, secondary source data, informed commentary and
quotes from respected scholars and experts in the field.
Now this particular information that I posted here comes from the
following sources
List of U.S. Presidential religious affiliations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_religious_affiliations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
also
Franklin Steiner's "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html
The Religious Beliefs Of Our Presidents
by Franklin Steiner
NOTE: This work is not the complete book, the parts done are complete in
themselves.
An account of the religious beliefs, and lack of such beliefs, of our chief
executives, and a chronicle of the more important religious events and
controversies of their administrations.
"When the crisis came, Jefferson, Paine, John Adams, Washington, Franklin,
Madison, and many lesser lights were to be reckoned among either the
Unitarians or the Deists. it was not Cotton Mather's God to whom the author
of the Declaration of Independence appealed, it was to 'Nature's God.' From
whatever source derived, the effect of both Unitarianism and Deism was to
hasten the retirement of historic theology from its empire over the
intellect of American leaders, and to clear the atmosphere for secular
interests" -- The Rise of American Civilization," by Charles A. and Mary R.
Beard. (Vol. I., p. 449.)
Contents
Preface
Introduction
Chapter I - George Washington - The Vestryman Who Was Not A Communicant
Chapter II - Presidents Who Were Presbyterians
Andrew Jackson
James Knox Polk
James Buchanan
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
Woodrow Wilson
Chapter III - Presidents Who Were Unitarians
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Millard Fillmore
William Howard Taft
Chapter IV - Presidents Who Were Episcopalians
Franklin Pierce
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Chapter V - Presidents Who Were Not Members Of Any Church
William Henery Harrison
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Simpson Grant
Rutherford Birchard Hayes
Chapter VI - Presidents Whose Religious Views Are Doubtful
James Madison
James Monroe
Martin Van Buren
John Tyler
Zachary Taylor
Chester Alan Arthur
Chapter VII - Thomas Jefferson, Freethinker
Chapter VIII - Abraham Lincoln, Deist And Admirer Of Thomas Paine
Chapter IX - James Abram Garfield, The Preacher President
Chapter X - William McKinley, The Methodist President
Chapter XI - Theodore Roosevelt, Dutch Reformed But Not Very Religious
Chpater XII - The Beliefs Of Our "Prosperity" Presidents
Warren Gamaliel Harding - Baptist
Calvin Coolidge - Congregationalist
Herbert Clark Hoover - Quaker
Resume
Appendix I - Washington's Last Sickness And Death
Appendix II - Religious Opinions And Habits Of Washington
Appendix III - Dr. Holland And The "Bateman Interview"
Appendix IV - Testimony Of W. H. Herndon, Lincoln's Law Partner For 22
Years, Concerning His Religious Beliefs
Appendix V - Thanksgiving Proclimations
Bibliography
Publisher's Preface
Much has been written concerning the religious beliefs of our Presidents,
but, until now, no one has gone into the subject thoroughly. A number of
books have appeared, all of which, instead of giving facts, are merely
religious propagandistic documents.
Mr. Franklin Steiner, the author of the present work, was engaged for over
two years in writing it. He has been a student of the subject for over 40
years. This book is thoroughly documented, and is a straight-forward,
trustworthy account of "the religious beliefs of our Presidents.
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/catalog/book_123.html
and the publisher of the above book
Now the publisher does have an agenda, that being o sell books
But do note, you offer YOUR BOOK as if it were in the same league as
It isn't. Far too many times you have been exposed as being historically
ignorant and inaccurate in these forums for anyone to give you credibility
in the area of Church state history in this country
List of U.S. Presidential religious affiliations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_religious_affiliations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Franklin Steiner's "The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html
I would be willing to bet that the comments and conclusions reached in YOUR
BOOK and those of the above two sources differ.
Now the olkd you used to jump into others posts ansd top post some little
blurb just like you did here.
Seems to me business as usual for "the fool," kands00, and/or any of the
several other handles you have used over the years.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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