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Priests for Life: Abortion industry collapsing |
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience, the abortion industry is
collapsing, said Father Frank Pavone, national director for Staten Island,
N.Y.-based Priests for Life.
Father Pavone is one of the Catholic Church's most visible pro-life
speakers, with a regular column in Catholic newspapers and a television show
on EWTN. He has assisted the Vatican's Pontifical Council for the Family and
has lectured around the world. He is currently assigned in the Diocese of
Amarillo, Texas, where he is launching a new religious order, Missionaries
of the Gospel of Life.
During a whirlwind visit April 28-30 that included visits to several
parishes and talks to local pro-life groups, priests of the diocese and
politicians, Father Pavone spoke about the state of the abortion industry
and encouraged the pro-life movement here to step up its work with promoting
pro-life legislation and speaking out to others on abortion.
"The momentum is in our direction," he said during his main public address
April 29 at Holy Apostles Church. "This is an industry crumbling from the
inside."
Father Pavone said that the abortion industry is actually less worried about
not having enough doctors to perform abortions. Father Pavone said he knows
many doctors who have left the industry.
"It shows that the pro-abortion lobby has not and never will be able to take
the stigma away from abortion," he said.
"You show up at these clinics and lives will be changed by your presence.
The abortion industry knows this sometimes better than we do."
Father Pavone urged the local pro-life movement to "expose the evil" by
showing people the reality of abortion both during the procedure and the
physical and emotional aftermath that include sterlization, depression,
intense regret and possibly death.
Earlier in the day, Father Pavone addressed the Colorado Springs Diocese
Respect Life Committee and concelebrated Mass with Father Bill Carmody,
diocesan Respect Life director, for approximately 80 people across the
street from the Planned Parenthood Clinic on West Colorado Ave.
In his homily at Planned Parenthood, Father Pavone challenged people to
"take to the street and not be afraid to show what's going on."
"This morning is beautiful, the sun is shining and there's a cool breeze. It
seems peaceful, but is not because there is injustice across the street," he
said. "We should not say there is peace where there is no peace."
On April 28, Father Pavone addressed the diocesan priests at their spring
retreat at St. Malo in Estes Park, met with local pro-life leaders and
politicians at a Life Network luncheon and spoke to St. Mary's High School
students.
"There is no such thing as an abortion that is necessary," Father Pavone
told St. Mary's students, relaying reasons people get abortions. "It's not
because of freedom of choice. It's exactly for the opposite reason: people
who feel they have no freedom and no choice. They feel trapped, desperate,
afraid."
Father Pavone said those who get abortions are often made to feel they have
a choice between their baby and their education, careers and other matters.
Priests for Life offers help to those considering an abortion with financial
and medical assistance, as well as many other aspects such as adoption,
housing, education and employment assistance.
"The good news is the help is available. The sad news is those who need that
help don't know it's there," said Father Pavone.
Friends are important to stopping people from getting abortions, said Father
Pavone.
"Friends don't let friends drive drunk because they don't want their friend
dead or making others dead. That's why friends don't let friends get
abortions: because they don't want their friend dead or making others dead,"
Father Pavone said. "There is nothing that claims more human life. There is
not a single disease that takes more human lives than abortion does. . . .
Poverty doesn't come anywhere near a fraction of those dying from abortion
every day.
"Every day, by surgical abortion alone, 4,000 children are killed."
Men are just as responsible for abortion as women, according to Father
Pavone, and carry the responsibility to protect the child. A father can
often stop an abortion from taking place by simply showing care and kindness
to the mother of the child instead of an uncaring approach to the unborn
child.
"What she wants to hear is: 'I'm with you. We're going to see this through.
I'm going to stand by you and by our child.' You've got to be the source of
strength," said Father Pavone.
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20 May 2006 09:43:02 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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21 May 2006 03:12:44 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote ,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
Does that statistic include suicides to which abortion was a contributory
factor?
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21 May 2006 03:42:51 PM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote ,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
Does that statistic include suicides to which abortion was a contributory
factor?
The fictional abortion-related suicides as opposed to the real and
well-documented suicides that childbirth has caused?
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rfischer@sonic.net
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21 May 2006 03:41:18 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote ,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
Does that statistic include suicides to which abortion was a contributory
factor?
If we can include the suicides in which children were a factor.
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my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
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21 May 2006 04:49:48 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote ,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
Does that statistic include suicides to which abortion was a contributory
factor?
If we can include the suicides in which children were a factor.
And post-partum depression.
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20 May 2006 09:54:43 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion
doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had
abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
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.....and how many more babies will die from abortion than from childbirth?
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21 May 2006 12:07:02 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion
doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had
abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
....and how many more babies will die from abortion than from childbirth?
Less than the number of children that YOU wish to murder.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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21 May 2006 01:27:17 AM |
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wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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< > wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion
doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had
abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
That's a fact these liars for their cult don't tell people.
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....and how many more babies will die from abortion than from childbirth?
None. Babies don't die in abortions. Only embreos and fetuses do.
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| User: "duke" |
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21 May 2006 07:29:56 AM |
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On 21 May 2006 02:43:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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21 May 2006 09:32:15 AM |
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In article <89n072lp8hvg3ip2igk2fqfp61cml0f93a@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 21 May 2006 02:43:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
"You have confirmed my suspicion that those who
argue the rights of the fetus view the woman as a
container."
Muriel Nelson
<1992Jun22.123409.5...@hemlock.cray.com>
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| User: "duke" |
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21 May 2006 03:33:27 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:32:15 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <89n072lp8hvg3ip2igk2fqfp61cml0f93a@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 21 May 2006 02:43:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
"You have confirmed my suspicion that those who
argue the rights of the fetus view the woman as a
container."
Muriel Nelson
<1992Jun22.123409.5...@hemlock.cray.com>
Uh, a life support system. After all, to God, their lives are of equal value.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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21 May 2006 09:00:33 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 15:33:27 -0500, duke wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 10:32:15 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <89n072lp8hvg3ip2igk2fqfp61cml0f93a@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 21 May 2006 02:43:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
"You have confirmed my suspicion that those who
argue the rights of the fetus view the woman as a
container."
Muriel Nelson
<1992Jun22.123409.5...@hemlock.cray.com>
Uh, a life support system. After all, to God, their lives are of equal value.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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OK, dumb question.
Why is it the case that a woman's life is equal to an unborn child's?
Especially since they are demonstrably *unequal* in capability (for
starters, a pregnant woman actually can express her opinion)? Please
clarify this subpoint.
Also, how does one go about enforcing this equality?
[followups to alt.abortion]
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21 May 2006 12:05:26 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
Just like you "kill" human children.
Murderer.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "duke" |
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21 May 2006 03:33:57 PM |
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On 21 May 2006 17:05:26 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion doctors
reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had abortions
are speaking out about their awful experience,
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
Just like you "kill" human children.
Murderer.
Nope, sorry, but I don't kill anyone.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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21 May 2006 03:43:20 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Childbirth is ten times as likely to kill a woman as is an abortion.
But it's 100% guaranteed to kill a human baby.
Just like you "kill" human children.
Murderer.
Nope, sorry, but I don't kill anyone.
Yes you do, murderer.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "duke" |
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21 May 2006 06:33:27 PM |
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On 21 May 2006 20:43:20 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Just like you "kill" human children.
Murderer.
Nope, sorry, but I don't kill anyone.
Yes you do, murderer.
Nope, but if you put the bottle down and explain your statement, maybe we can
discuss what you so screwed up about.
duke, American-American
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21 May 2006 07:28:58 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 21 May 2006 20:43:20 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Just like you "kill" human children.
Murderer.
Nope, sorry, but I don't kill anyone.
Yes you do, murderer.
Nope,
Murderer.
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21 May 2006 09:00:46 PM |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:11:54 -0400, youngopinions wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/diocese/diocese_story.php?id=19843
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (The Colorado Catholic Herald ) As abortion
doctors reveal more details of the procedures and more women who have had
abortions are speaking out about their awful experience, the abortion
industry is collapsing, said Father Frank Pavone, national director for
Staten Island, N.Y.-based Priests for Life.
Right. Just like "Evolution is a theory in crisis"! LOL!
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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20 May 2006 09:00:31 PM |
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So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
There are medical situations that are fatal for a woman to have a
child.
Usually they will find that out when the woman is pregnant.
So are you equal to God that you are able to condemn those women to
death?
I cannot say anything else then think before you speak!
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| User: "duke" |
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21 May 2006 07:34:00 AM |
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On 20 May 2006 19:00:31 -0700, "Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote:
So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
Human life is human life.
There are medical situations that are fatal for a woman to have a
child.
Like what?
Usually they will find that out when the woman is pregnant.
So are you equal to God that you are able to condemn those women to
death?
I cannot say anything else then think before you speak!
Likewise.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dutchie" |
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21 May 2006 06:45:46 PM |
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Duke,
Human life is human life. What a silly response!
That principle is usually taken very loosely last with christians. Most
Christians are pro death penalty!
Just to name a few medical issues that can be fatal for the woman
during pregnancy:
Sepsis, (pre-) eclampsia, Ectopic pregnancy, Haemorrhage, Hypertensive
Disorders of pregnancy.
Oops, I might be considered a big threat to the Christians....I do
think for myself!
Dutchie
If Christianity is named after Jesus Christ, then what did Adam and Eve
believe?
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21 May 2006 07:23:51 PM |
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"Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Duke,
Human life is human life. What a silly response!
That principle is usually taken very loosely last with christians. Most
Christians are pro death penalty!
Just to name a few medical issues that can be fatal for the woman
during pregnancy:
Sepsis, (pre-) eclampsia, Ectopic pregnancy, Haemorrhage, Hypertensive
Disorders of pregnancy.
Oops, I might be considered a big threat to the Christians....I do
think for myself!
Dutchie
If Christianity is named after Jesus Christ, then what did Adam and Eve
believe?
That they were set up by an all-knowing god?
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21 May 2006 12:04:54 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 20 May 2006 19:00:31 -0700, "Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote:
So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
Human life is human life.
And so you're a murderer for killing millions of innocent living human
sperm.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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21 May 2006 03:35:51 PM |
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On 21 May 2006 17:04:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 20 May 2006 19:00:31 -0700, "Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote:
So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
Human life is human life.
And so you're a murderer for killing millions of innocent living human
sperm.
Human sperm are not "alive", and how do you know if they're innocent?
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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21 May 2006 03:42:03 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 20 May 2006 19:00:31 -0700, "Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote:
So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
Human life is human life.
And so you're a murderer for killing millions of innocent living human
sperm.
Human sperm are not "alive",
You're really trying hard for that #1 dumbest person status, aren't you?
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rfischer@sonic.net
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21 May 2006 03:44:42 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 21 May 2006 17:04:54 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 20 May 2006 19:00:31 -0700, "Dutchie" <Dutchie764@yahoo.com> wrote:
So you say that a woman's life is not as valuable as a childs life?
Human life is human life.
And so you're a murderer for killing millions of innocent living human
sperm.
Human sperm are not "alive",
Human sperm are dead??? Riiiiight.
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my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
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