Religions > Atheism > Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550
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"Budikka666" |
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13 Oct 2005 09:42:01 PM |
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Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
Since I've now posted two threads which give Pastor Dave precisely what
he asked for in his challenge to evolutionists regarding so-called
macroevolution, and he ran away from the first (and I guarantee you he
will run away from the second), I'm now going back to posting
references to the material right in the first message:
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/eocoelia.html
"The data is from fossils gathered at thirteen different depths.
As is usual in geology, the diagram gives the data for the deepest
(oldest) fossils at the bottom, and the upper (youngest) fossils at the
top. The diagram covers about ten million years.
"Each shell is ribbed. For each shell, the ratio of rib height to
rib width was measured. For each depth, the average ratio was computed.
Each little horizontal box shows the average, and also the statistical
distribution about the average.
"Notice that the boxes at the top have no overlap at all with the
boxes at the bottom. That is why the shells at the top are the species
Eocoelia sulcata, but the shells at the bottom are the species Eocoelia
hemisphaerica.
"Notice that each box overlaps the box above it, and the box below
it. As you go from bottom to top, there are no breaks or sudden jumps.
There is a smooth transition that starts at one species and ends at a
different species."
Budikka
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
15 Oct 2005 04:10:05 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Since I've now posted two threads which give Pastor Dave precisely
Nothing at all.
Here Buddika, answer this:
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Period.
End of the evolution nonsense.
God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
That's all there is to it.
Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
15 Oct 2005 12:53:55 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in news:4350C5FB.5E22@For-
God.net:
Budikka666 wrote:
Since I've now posted two threads which give Pastor Dave precisely
Nothing at all.
Here Buddika, answer this:
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Evolution happens in populations, not in pairs. The mutation that gave a
knuckle-walking ape the need to walk erect was not shared with the rest
of his species but eventually spread through at least a large enough
portion of the population to become universal in that breeding group.
This alone may have afforded considerable genetic isolation from the
parent population, since they would have been suited for somewhat
different ranges. And it probably IS a single mutation (though don't
hold me to that) which deforms the pelvis.
Similarly, the first australopithecine to have a case of neotony
resulting in a larger brain would merely have mated members of its own
tribe. But the resulting offspring would carry the mutation. Being
strongly beneficial, it would not take long for it to take over the whole
population, resulting in an australopithecine that is no longer an
australopithecine, but the species we call homo habilis.
Period.
End of the evolution nonsense.
No, just more of your own nonsense, based an a false assumption about
evolution. Of course that's how creationist apologetics work. Take a
falsehood that you think you can sell to the general hoi polloi and spin
a straw man argument from it. But it's smoke and mirrors--apologetics
without substance--the stuff of the father of lies.
God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
And HOWEVER He wanted to make it, which is how the creation SHOWS us that
it was made, not how your biblical misinterpreters insist that it was.
That's all there is to it.
Yep...that IS all there is to it. The creation speaks for itself. It
does not need people misreading scripture to interpret it.
Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
On the contrary, it did what God intended it to do.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Both true. Both irrelevant to the question of why you think you should
spread false information about science in God's name.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Saw this. Not impressed. First of all, they got it wrong right from the
get-go. The universe's expansion is NOT an explosion into an existing
space. Rather, it is the expansion of space itself, thinning out what is
in it, which then curdles under the combined influence of gravity and
sound to form galaxies, stars, planets, etc.
The passages cited are actually cribbed from ancient Babylonian
cosmology, in which the earth was seen as a flat, circular plate, sitting
on pillars (they were a bit vague about what the pillars stood on) and
covered by a hard, metallic sky dome or firmament, with pinprick holes or
windows that let the light from heaven above shine in at night and under
which the sun, moon and planets flew their courses. Rain was water from
heaven above, poured through windows. Perfectly ordinary Bronze Age
science, to be exact.
We don't see any evidence of biblical authors using a spherical earth
model until the book of Job, which, contrary to some rather bibliolatrous
opinions, was written probably around 150BC (though the story that it was
written about was probably around orally as a folk tale for more than
1300 years prior to the writing). This is known because of the exact
style which was used, which is a common form for morality plays in that
period from about 250BC to the time of Christ. Moreover, it was commonly
known in that time that the earth was round. Even the size of it had
been published, more or less correctly, by Eratosthenes.
To take a handful of passages like this, out of their cultural context
and try to pass them off as prescient knowledge on the part of the author
without even making a SHRED of connection to the modern knowledge you are
trying to connect up is ABSURD. It's not proof of anything except the
credulity of the author(s) of the website you cited.
Again, this is bad apologetics. It does nothing to spread the gospel.
In fact, it barely mentions Jesus and why He died. Most of you have that
wrong anyway, putting it down to appeasing an angry vengeance demon
instead of to God entering human history Himself and suffering all manner
of indignity and death to SHOW US how it is done. And rising from the
dead to show us that it is not the end, or even the worst thing that can
happen. But, being slow-witted, greedy and more ambitious than the devil
himself, too many of us just make up our own stories about it and ignore
the REAL evidence.
Mt 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
15 Oct 2005 06:27:12 AM |
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Here Buddika, answer this:
When cowards like you address the science, address the examples of
macro evoltuion, I'll start responding to your dumbass questions.
Meanwhile, deal wiht your cowarduice and your inability to address the
macroevolution responses instead of throwing out ridiculous straw men
in a desperate attempt to distract people form your impotence. In the
meantime, here's a list of the lies that you, personally have been
caught in:
http://tinyurl.com/d5beb
http://tinyurl.com/9zqo9
http://tinyurl.com/bx7dn
http://tinyurl.com/beqs7
http://tinyurl.com/73lnw
http://tinyurl.com/9wg2r
http://tinyurl.com/8z2dd
http://tinyurl.com/96vzm
http://tinyurl.com/e2edb
http://tinyurl.com/cmrts
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
There were males and females before there were humans, idiot, so your
question is a dumb as Pastor Dave's.
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
The only dramatic difference at the genetic level is 'X' and 'Y'
chromosomes, moron. Figure it out for yourself.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Tell that to the whiptail lizard, dimwit. Sexual differentiation
started long, long before before any modern organisms evolved. If you
were truly interested in the truth you'd buy a good science book and
read it cover to cover instead of exposing your stupidity with your
inane messages on usenet.
[Rest of assinine Boatwright trash flushed where it belongs]
Budikka
Boatwright, n. a manufacturer of empty vessels.
John, n. a receptacle all-too-often full of crap.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
19 Nov 2005 03:16:53 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Here Buddika, answer this:
When cowards like you address the science, address the examples of
macro evoltuion, I'll start responding to your dumbass questions.
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
You claim evolution does it all, well, here's your chance
to prove the MOST FUNDEMENTAL item your evolution theory
is hanging by a thread from, answer this:
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Period.
End of the evolution nonsense.
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
There were males and females before there were humans, idiot, so your
question is a dumb as Pastor Dave's.
No, no, no... don't start with any males or females,
start with neither, now tell me how a male or female
baby shows up.
I want YOU to explain the most fundemental item evolution
hangs by a thread from... how do you get a male or female
baby when there's none around to begin with?
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
The only dramatic difference at the genetic level is 'X' and 'Y'
chromosomes, moron. Figure it out for yourself.
A male can NOT reproduce by himself.
A female can NOT reproduce by herself.
You lose.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Tell that to the whiptail lizard, dimwit.
ha ha ha...
A whiptail lizard makes male and female human babies?
ha ha ha...
You evolutionists are really scraping to prop up that "nothing
makes everything" theory of yours.
Sexual differentiation
started long, long before before any modern organisms evolved. If you
were truly interested in the truth you'd buy a good science book and
read it cover to cover instead of exposing your stupidity with your
inane messages on usenet.
I asked you a fundemental item evolution is hanging from,
by a thread, and you're claiming it hasn't crashed to the
ground when the thread broke long ago.
God said what he did, and what God, proves he is God.
God said HE made the prophet in the belly, he never
said a lizard did it.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Thurisaz the Einherjer" |
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| Title: Re: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
19 Nov 2005 11:43:05 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
Is there a brain in that skull to actually process the answer one could
present? Judging from the available evidence, the chance approaches 0 %.
From below.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Aaaah, the idiocy of the pure-bred jebus cultist...
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
www.jesusneverexisted.com
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
25 Nov 2005 05:03:00 AM |
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Thurisaz the Einherjer wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
Is there a brain in that skull to actually process the answer one could
present? Judging from the available evidence, the chance approaches 0 %.
From below.
He didn't answer the simple question, the one question that
voids evolution having done anything at all.
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Aaaah, the idiocy of the pure-bred jebus cultist...
The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, is the only God there is.
Jesus is the ARM OF GOD.
You're in darkness, and I'm shining a bright over at you,
but you cover your eyes so you can't see it, saying it's
too bright and to stop shining it at you.
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
www.jesusneverexisted.com
Josephus, a Jewish historian, and several witnesses of the day,
all recorded Jesus as having existed.
God also predicted Jesus showing up, even describing what's
seen present day... as unbelievable as it seems, God knew what
would show up present day, also confirming Jesus.
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| User: "Pramod Subramanyan" |
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| Title: Re: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
25 Nov 2005 05:35:40 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
Thurisaz the Einherjer wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
Is there a brain in that skull to actually process the answer one could
present? Judging from the available evidence, the chance approaches 0 %.
From below.
He didn't answer the simple question, the one question that
voids evolution having done anything at all.
It is hard to believe that people can be so dumb.
HINT: Think about unicellular organism and their sex (or the lack of
it).
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Aaaah, the idiocy of the pure-bred jebus cultist...
The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, is the only God there is.
Jesus is the ARM OF GOD.
You're in darkness, and I'm shining a bright over at you,
but you cover your eyes so you can't see it, saying it's
too bright and to stop shining it at you.
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
www.jesusneverexisted.com
Josephus, a Jewish historian, and several witnesses of the day,
all recorded Jesus as having existed.
God also predicted Jesus showing up, even describing what's
seen present day... as unbelievable as it seems, God knew what
would show up present day, also confirming Jesus.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
25 Nov 2005 05:44:15 AM |
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Pramod Subramanyan wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Thurisaz the Einherjer wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
Is there a brain in that skull to actually process the answer one could
present? Judging from the available evidence, the chance approaches 0 %.
From below.
He didn't answer the simple question, the one question that
voids evolution having done anything at all.
It is hard to believe that people can be so dumb.
So you're going to show me an example of such...
HINT: Think about unicellular organism and their sex (or the lack of
it).
A baby is NOT one cell.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Giggling as Buddika runs off again... Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
25 Nov 2005 10:05:11 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:03:00 GMT, in alt.atheism
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
<4386EDBD.3347@For-God.net>:
Thurisaz the Einherjer wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
You didn't answer that SIMPLE, very SIMPLE question.
Is there a brain in that skull to actually process the answer one could
present? Judging from the available evidence, the chance approaches 0 %.
From below.
He didn't answer the simple question, the one question that
voids evolution having done anything at all.
What?
My recollection is that you have to have BOTH a male
and a female human being, else you get NO male or
female human beings showing up... at all.
Aaaah, the idiocy of the pure-bred jebus cultist...
The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, is the only God there is.
Yet no evidence exists to support this claim.
Jesus is the ARM OF GOD.
Or this one.
You're in darkness, and I'm shining a bright over at you,
but you cover your eyes so you can't see it, saying it's
too bright and to stop shining it at you.
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
www.jesusneverexisted.com
Josephus, a Jewish historian, and several witnesses of the day,
all recorded Jesus as having existed.
As I understand it, the name wasn't particularly rare at the time,
probably no more rare than it is in Mexico today. The fact that a Jesus
existed and that he was a teacher doesn't say anything about his
supposed relationship to a god.
God also predicted Jesus showing up, even describing what's
seen present day... as unbelievable as it seems, God knew what
would show up present day, also confirming Jesus.
Nope, God has never predicted a thing.
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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| Title: Re: Prime Evidence of Macroevolution for Pastor Dave - Example 550 |
16 Oct 2005 01:56:33 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:10:05 GMT, "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Since I've now posted two threads which give Pastor Dave precisely
Nothing at all.
Here Buddika, answer this:
* Start with NO male and NO female human beings.
* Tell me how a male or female human being shows up.
Show them a banana.
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