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http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm
Recently, a list subscriber pointed out that my name had been added to the
short list of "American Extremist Individuals" carried on the ADL's Web
page, alongside the likes of Ernst Zundel, William Pierce, David Irving, Dr.
Ed Fields, Willis Carto and Bo Gritz, among others, all of us identified as
being "Holocaust Deniers." To those individuals, first let me say that I am
at once honored and unworthy to be included in your ranks.
To the ADL, I say...THHBBTTT! That's it! I have freakin' had it! This
"Holocaust" business has gotten way out of hand. Like a dog that bites the
neighborhood kids, it needs to be put down...for good.
You want "Holocaust Denial," you Jewish Supremacist creeps? I'll give you
Holocaust Denial and I won't dress it up in scholarly robes, either.
Y'know, I've never really quite "gotten" this Holocaust business. First of
all, it happened a long time ago, so it isn't relevant to life today.
Second, it didn't happen to me.
What's more, my family didn't cause it, so why should I even care? In fact,
several members of my family fought in that war, which was openly declared
by world Jewry against Germany in 1933, several years before Germany dared
respond to Jewish demands that Germany be destroyed.
The Holocaust as Religion
Since then, the Holocaust has taken on aspects of a State Religion in
Western nations. It simply cannot be questioned in any regard, under
penalty of prison. I kid you not - prison! The "Holy Holocaust," if you
will. Seems kind of odd, somehow - the very countries that rescued the Jews
by defeating Germany end up being enslaved by those same Jews. Germany, of
course, has become the most slavish of all.
I was confronted with this issue recently by a Jewish talk-show host, Donny
Deutsch, on national television. He demanded to know if I thought that 6
million Jews dying in the Holocaust was an exaggeration. "Look," I said,
"one would be too many, but the numbers are grossly exaggerated. After all,
they keep changing the sign out in front of Auschwitz. First, it said 4
million Jews died there, then it quietly was replaced with a sign that
claimed 2.6 million. Today, the sign claims only 1.5 million Jews died in
Auschwitz, with serious discussions taking place about lowering that into
the range of 700,000, yet the reductions never seem to make it into the
claim of 6 million total."
Deutsch, who insisted that the 6 million figure was gospel ("holy," don't
forget), looked like he was going to pop an aneurism as I continued: "You
know, 75 million people, military and civilian, died worldwide during WWII,
yet we are supposed to honor the memory of only 6 million." I was cut off
before adding that most of that 6 million never existed and, besides, it
seemed to me that Jews should be honoring those of us who rescued them, not
the other way around. That's how it is every time free speech hits the holy
Holocaust wall - it must yield.
The Holy Roundup
Now they are jailing scholars for the crime of saying things as mild as what
I said on national TV. Jews forced Ernst Zundel to be arrested here in
America on a phony visa charge and deported to Canada, where he spent two
years in solitary confinement for saying 6 million was too many; now he
faces a five-year prison term in Jewish-controlled Germany for the same
"crime."
In a replay of the Zundel pantomime deportation, scientist, historian and
publisher Dr. Germar Rudolf was arrested in America on a phony visa charge
and deported to Germany by Jews. I now call this routine "being Zundeled."
David Irving, one of the most-respected historian author/scholars in the
world, now languishes in a European jail on the orders of Jews. And
others - many others. All face lengthy prison terms, merely for saying 6
million is an exaggeration. Look, I couldn't just make something this
ridiculous up, you know. Prison...for speaking the truth! They aren't even
accused of lying, which, of course, they aren't. They are jailed under the
vague charge of "Holocaust Denial." What's wrong with this picture?
Things Get Worse
Hold on, though - it gets worse.
Last month, the execrable United Nations adopted a resolution written by
Israel which designates January 27 as the "International Day of
Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust." The UN's decree
goes on to reject "any denial of the Holocaust as an historical event,
either in full or part."
This would be a good time for you to go look up the definition of
"chutzpah," a Yiddish term.
But wait - it gets even worse.
You probably aren't going to believe this next item. I scarcely believe it
myself. Last week, the US House of Representatives adopted a
Jewish-sponsored resolution to designate every January as "Jewish History
Month" throughout America. All that remains is for the President to issue
an appropriate Executive Order. Did I mention that the House voted
unanimously? Unanimously. That means both you and I voted for it, since
our state representatives cast our votes for us. Unanimously. Can you
believe it?
Now go look up the definition of "hubris," which really ought to be a
Yiddish term.
And you thought you were sick of Black History Month? You ain't seen
nothin' yet. Coming right up behind it now is Jew History Month. How
appropriate. What? You don't get the joke? Think about it.
Staking the Devil
Now, I'm no historian. I'm no authority on World War II and I sure don't
claim to be a scholar. But, since the Jews have locked up all those who fit
those descriptions and who dare to speak out on the so-called "Holocaust,"
it falls to the rest of us to pick up where they left off. What should we
do? We should drag this Holocaust myth out into the daylight and, in plain
view of the entire world, drive a stake through its evil heart, once and for
all.
I mentioned the Auschwitz signs. That's proof enough, right there, that 6
million is a lie. A lie - not a mistake - a Jewish lie! But there is so
much more.
By the way, if the Nazis killed so many Jews, how come there are so many
"Holocaust survivors," anyway? Just asking.
The WWI Holocaust
Did you know that the Jews trotted out their 6 million lie before, during
WWI? No, I didn't think so. They want you to forget about that claim,
which simply didn't stick. People were better read and educated then, I
suppose, else it might have gained the traction that it has achieved today
in couch potato land. "Six million men and women are dying" in the Ukraine,
claimed The American Hebrew periodical on October 31, 1919, the very same
claim that Jews made twenty years later.
You see, Jews thought they were going to establish Israel right after WWI,
due to the Balfour Declaration's promise of Palestine in exchange for Jews
causing America to enter the war against Germany. Since a Jewish Torah
prophecy demands that there be a 6-million-Holocaust offering prior to Jews
returning to the Promised Land, it was incumbent upon them to fabricate the
Holocaust then and there. The Torah called for cleansing the "chosen" souls
through the sacrifice of 6 million in "burning ovens," since unclean souls
could not be allowed to return to the Promised Land. That is the real
source of the "6 million" myth, as well as the myth of the "ovens."
However, Britain was unable to deliver up Palestine as promised by Lord
Balfour, since Palestine still was possessed by Turkey. It took another
twenty years and another World War to make good on Balfour's promise.
Quietly, the 6-million lie was put to rest, only to be revived just prior to
WWII. The self-same claim about 6 million Jews dying was made, as part of
the propaganda to once again force America to enter a war which involved
none of its interests.
Jewish Hubris
You really must have a glimmering of the true extent of Jewish hubris in
order to appreciate their belief that, if they got the whole world to repeat
their 6-million lie, then God would be fooled into allowing them to enter
the "Promised Land." Jews actually teach that their best Rabbis have the
ability to beat God in debates, by the way. Hubris. This time, do what I
told you before and actually look it up. This is why the figure 6 million
is sacred to our new State religion, the Holocaust. If there is a Jewish
God, which I sincerely doubt since most Jews are atheists, then he must be
really dumb.
75 million people throughout the world died in WWII. 75 million. Yet, we
are supposed to honor and remember only 6 million? Out of 75 million!!!
Just 6 million...Most of whom never existed in the first place!
Simple Logic
The whole premise of the Jewish Holocaust defies simple logic: Why would
Germany, fighting a war on two fronts...with fuel scarce...short of all
resources...ship millions of Jews by railroad...hundreds and thousands of
miles...to camps specially built just to hold them...feed them...clothe
them...tattoo them in order to keep track of them....just to KILL them?
It doesn't even begin to make sense. If the Germans had wanted to kill the
Jews, they would have done it the way the Russian Jews murdered 20 to 80
million Russian Christians earlier in the century...with a bullet to the
base of the skull, wherever they were found.
Or, as my buddy Al likes to say: In all of German-occupied Europe , there
were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for
Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost. More
Jews received pensions than were present in German-occupied Europe because
so many of them moved west from Russia after the war and cleaned up on the
pension scam.
Even a cursory examination proves that the Jews are lying. For example, the
Jewish Encyclopedia confirms Al's figures. Otherwise, the Jewish prewar
worldwide population figure of 15 million would read 9 million after the war
instead of the 16 million that it gives. That's right - the worldwide
Jewish population actually increased during WWII!
In fact, the WWII Jewish Holocaust did not really take shape until fully
fabricated by Jews during the late 1950s. That is why, in the memoirs of so
many WWII leaders and generals, including Eisenhower, Churchill and De
Gaulle, as recently pointed out by Professor Richard Lynn, "one will find no
mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six
million' Jewish victims of the war."
The Evidence
"What about the Auschwitz gas chambers?" you ask. Per Willis Carto's late,
great Spotlight newspaper, none other than Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior
curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum, has admitted
on film that "Krema 1," the only alleged "homicidal gas chamber" on display
to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at Auschwitz, was built
after the war by the Soviet Union.
In 1948, three years after the war ended, formal Allied Commissions of
Inquiry concluded that nobody died of poison gas at any of the German
concentration camps, a conclusion also reached by modern engineering
forensics expert Fred Leuchter after extensive examination of the grounds
and buildings. Leuchter lost his business, his job and his reputation
simply for telling the truth about his engineering and chemical tests, many
of which were repeated by Dr. Germar Rudolf, who confirmed Leuchter's
results. That was the major crime for which Dr. Rudolf now sits in a German
prison. And yet the Holocaust myth endures!
"But the confessions..." you splutter. False. Every one of them. All
those German officers were tortured by Jews prior to the Nuremburg show
trials, most of them having had their testicles crushed in the process,
which is why they signed all those confessions. What's more, they signed
confessions written mainly in English, a language most of them could neither
read nor speak. You know the torture that Jews inflict upon Palestinians
today when they catch them? That's nothing compared to what Jewish
interrogators did to their German prisoners at Nuremburg. What's even more
telling, all the prosecutors and judges at Nuremburg were Jews.
No wartime aerial photos of the camps show piles of corpses or crematoria in
action. Reasonable people ask, "If six million are dead, then where are the
bodies?" That and Torah prophecy wording is where the gas oven stories came
from: "They went up in smoke." No bodies were found then, nor was any
billowing smoke seen emitted by the camps, nor have any remains been found
near any of the camps in amounts which add up to anything more than the
relatively small number of prisoners acknowledged to have died of typhus and
other diseases while imprisoned.
International Red Cross documents clearly show that fewer than 300,000 Jews
died during WWII in all German concentration camps combined. As a race,
Jews gave far fewer to the war efforts than did any other nation involved,
which is why their total population increased during the war, in contrast to
that of most combatants.
The ridiculous claims about Jews being made into soap and lampshades were
debunked thoroughly long ago and Jews would like you to forget them now that
they have made their 6-million hoax into a viable religion. After all, the
absolute lack of any proof of Jewish soap or lampshades would weaken their
new religion, wouldn't it?
The Real Holocausts
Meanwhile, there are genuine Holocausts which actually did happen last
century, yet which are not memorialized. In fact, Jews file lawsuits to
suppress their mention and/or accurate description in public schools and in
modern media.
The undisputed genocide of 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of their
Turkish oppressors in 1915 is particularly maddening since Turkey at that
time was controlled by Donmeh Muslims. Now, you may not know this, but
Donmeh Muslims are a sect comprised entirely of Jews who "converted" to
Islam yet continued secretly to practice Judaism and refused to intermarry
with true Turks. This was last century's first Holocaust and it was caused
by Jews. My children are one fourth Armenian (my wife is half Armenian and
half German...for what it is worth, I am half Scotch and half Irish). Does
that make them Holocaust survivors?
In the post-revolution, Jewish-controlled Soviet Union, between 20 and 80
million White Christians systematically were murdered from 1917 to 1953.
This was the second Holocaust of the Twentieth Century, perpetrated directly
by Jews, in a preview of what they have in mind for American Christians
during this coming century. What? You didn't think the de-Christianization
of American schools, government and Christmas would stop where it currently
stands, did you?
In what amounts to the third Holocaust of the Twentieth Century, the Allies
firebombed Dresden, Germany, during WWII, simply to see if they could create
a self-enervating firestorm. They succeeded and, in the maelstrom that
followed, murdered upwards of 500,000 people, most of them civilians, and
destroyed one of the most beautiful cities then in existence. Since the war
was prosecuted at the behest of and for the benefit of Jews, the blood of
Dresden is upon Jewish heads (to borrow the Biblical phrase, "His blood be
upon our heads," uttered by the Jews who engineered the crucifixion of Jesus
Christ).
The fourth Holocaust, of course, is America's laying waste to both Nagasaki
and Hiroshima with nuclear bombs. The Jewish connection requires a short
explanation. America cut off Japanese oil supplies, forcing their attack
upon Pearl Harbor. Franklin Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Pearl
Harbor, yet simply let it happen so that the American people finally would
be outraged enough to allow him to declare war on Japan, which until then
had been engaged in a long-standing, low-grade war solely with China.
Without oil, Japan was sure to lose to China, thus was forced to lash out at
America. Because of Japan's mutual defense pact with Germany, American Jews
finally had an excuse to declare war against Germany, too, their primary
objective in causing the US to interfere with Japan's war, which until then
had been confined solely to Asia. Thus, the nuclear holocaust unleashed
upon Japan also is to be laid at the feet of world Jewry.
The truth puts the lie to the laughably deniable so-called Jewish Holocaust.
So few Jews died during WWII and those mainly of natural causes, at that,
that the term Holocaust should not even be applied to what happened to them.
Indeed, the four events of the Twentieth Century that actually deserve the
term Holocaust all were caused by Jews themselves, advancing their own
interests!
Why?
Since the Jewish Holocaust is so easily disproven, why do Jews hold onto it
with such fervor? There are many reasons, in addition to the Torah
prophecy, of course, which must be met. Incidentally, speaking of prophecy,
do you believe in it? Did you know that the Jewish population of the United
States now is about 6 million? Did you know that the Jewish population of
Israel also numbers about 6 million at this time? Lessee now, if prophecy
actually gets fulfilled, which do you suppose will get nuked out of
existence first?
But, back to the benefits the Holocaust holds for Jews: First and foremost,
it protects Jews, both individually and collectively, from criticism. It
also has provided prodigious income, both in reparations and in
contributions from the deluded, particularly American aid to Israel, which,
prior to the beginning of the current Iraq war, amounted to about $64,000
from every American family. What's more, the "Holocaust" forms a sort of
"them-against-us" mentality for Jews to use in keeping their brethren all
pulling in the same direction. And the Holocaust enables Israel to
formulate and direct American Middle-Eastern policy. The Holocaust also
diverts attention from the many Jewish-instigated true holocausts of the
Twentieth Century.
In Closing
Now, that's real Holocaust Denial! None of this penny-ante, "Gee, was it 6
million or 5 million?" business for which fellows like Zundel, Rudolph and
Irving now sit in jail, awaiting trial. And, God, how the Jews deserve it,
believe me. When they labeled me a Holocaust Denier, they asked for it. In
for a penny, in for a pound. I don't want to hear them complain now, simply
because I gave them that of which they accused me. And I'm not done,
either. In fact, I'm just getting warmed up.
Interestingly, when Deutsch threw that question at me on national TV about
how many Jews died during the Holocaust, the first response that floated
across my mind, as though on a Teleprompter, was a joke punchline, as so
often is the case with the way my mind works. I resisted the impulse to
read it off as it floated by, just as I usually do, and, instead, gave the
answer I related above. What was the initial answer my somewhat twisted
mind offered up? Not enough! Mind you, I do not mean to suggest that we do
unto Jews as they have done unto us, time and again. But, if 6 million
really had died during WWII, do you suppose we would be having the troubles
on their account that we have today?
As I like to say: I agree with those who say anti-Semitism is a disease.
You catch it from Jews!
My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web
site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.
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"news" <news@use.net> wrote in message
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http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm
Recently, a list subscriber pointed out that my name had been added to the
short list of "American Extremist Individuals" carried on the ADL's Web
page, alongside the likes of Ernst Zundel, William Pierce, David Irving,
Dr.
Ed Fields, Willis Carto and Bo Gritz, among others, all of us identified
as
being "Holocaust Deniers." To those individuals, first let me say that I
am
at once honored and unworthy to be included in your ranks.
To the ADL, I say...THHBBTTT! That's it! I have freakin' had it! This
"Holocaust" business has gotten way out of hand. Like a dog that bites
the
neighborhood kids, it needs to be put down...for good.
B'bye, bigot - PLONK
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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20 Dec 2005 10:27:06 PM |
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"news" <news@use.net> wrote in message
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http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm
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The fact that your are not in jail, still posting to the Usenet, and still
operating hate sites just proves what a piece of lying ***** you really are.
My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web
site, www.I'm _a _Cockroach.com, for other messages just like this one.
Why would any sane person want to visit a festering garbage heap of racist?
If I wanted to visit your ilk, there a plenty of you hanging out inside the
local dumpsters.
Nuki Mouse
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20 Dec 2005 03:47:16 PM |
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Edgar Steele is an author and trial lawyer who has tried cases throughout
the West Coast, being admitted to California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho,
several Federal District and special courts and the U.S. Supreme Court.
He graduated from the University of Washington with a BA in 1967, then
served four years in the U.S. Coast Guard, first aboard ships, then as the
Commanding Officer of an East China Sea island LORAN Station during the Viet
Nam era.
Edgar graduated from the University of California at Berkeley with an MBA in
1973, then worked for several years in a succession of financial executive
positions for corporations, including the Controllership of two companies.
He graduated from the UCLA School of Law in 1982, worked for a couple of
years for a small law firm in the San Francisco Bay Area, then struck off on
his own.
Today, his law practice is noteworthy for cases that test the limits of
constitutional law on behalf of politically-incorrect clients.
Edgar publishes a weekly commentary via the Internet, interspersing
observations on the state of American society and politics with reports
about aspects of the higher-profile cases he is handling. Free
subscriptions are available at www.ConspiracyPenPal.com.
Though Edgar speaks infrequently in public, he has appeared on virtually
every national TV network news program and been interviewed repeatedly for
Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show, Fox News, Dateline, NBC Nightly
News, Court TV (which devoted a full week of broadcasting to one of Edgar's
trials recently), Geraldo and CNN, as well as countless local television
news programs and radio talk shows throughout America, in connection with
both his writing and the high-profile cases he has handled.
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20 Dec 2005 09:41:51 PM |
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The Holy Roundup Batman!
You know, Sparky, you're wasting your time posting this screed to
alt.atheism...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:51:57 +0100, "news" <news@use.net> wrote:
<snip long-winded rant>
Thank you for that most eloquent demonstration of sheer stupidity.
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The same garbage appeared in the Canadian newsgroup a few hours ago using
the name J D Evers.
Also from a remailer
My reply is the same:
The German Government, The Pope and all legitimate Western authorities
accept the figure of 6 million Jews murdered during WWII by Nazis and their
supporters.
The story written of the changing signs at Auschwitz are a total fabrication
by Jew haters.
The tons of gold extracted from the teeth and wedding rings, tons of human
hair shorn from the hair of female Jews, the existance of extermination
centers, gas chambers and crematoria built by the nazis are a fact of life.
Live with your history Jew hater.
"news" <news@use.net> wrote in message
news:do9r1m$2cq$1@aphrodite.grec.isp.9tel.net...
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/holy.htm
Recently, a list subscriber pointed out that my name had been added to the
short list of "American Extremist Individuals" carried on the ADL's Web
page, alongside the likes of Ernst Zundel, William Pierce, David Irving,
Dr.
Ed Fields, Willis Carto and Bo Gritz, among others, all of us identified
as
being "Holocaust Deniers." To those individuals, first let me say that I
am
at once honored and unworthy to be included in your ranks.
To the ADL, I say...THHBBTTT! That's it! I have freakin' had it! This
"Holocaust" business has gotten way out of hand. Like a dog that bites
the
neighborhood kids, it needs to be put down...for good.
You want "Holocaust Denial," you Jewish Supremacist creeps? I'll give you
Holocaust Denial and I won't dress it up in scholarly robes, either.
Y'know, I've never really quite "gotten" this Holocaust business. First
of
all, it happened a long time ago, so it isn't relevant to life today.
Second, it didn't happen to me.
What's more, my family didn't cause it, so why should I even care? In
fact,
several members of my family fought in that war, which was openly declared
by world Jewry against Germany in 1933, several years before Germany dared
respond to Jewish demands that Germany be destroyed.
The Holocaust as Religion
Since then, the Holocaust has taken on aspects of a State Religion in
Western nations. It simply cannot be questioned in any regard, under
penalty of prison. I kid you not - prison! The "Holy Holocaust," if you
will. Seems kind of odd, somehow - the very countries that rescued the
Jews
by defeating Germany end up being enslaved by those same Jews. Germany,
of
course, has become the most slavish of all.
I was confronted with this issue recently by a Jewish talk-show host,
Donny
Deutsch, on national television. He demanded to know if I thought that 6
million Jews dying in the Holocaust was an exaggeration. "Look," I said,
"one would be too many, but the numbers are grossly exaggerated. After
all,
they keep changing the sign out in front of Auschwitz. First, it said 4
million Jews died there, then it quietly was replaced with a sign that
claimed 2.6 million. Today, the sign claims only 1.5 million Jews died in
Auschwitz, with serious discussions taking place about lowering that into
the range of 700,000, yet the reductions never seem to make it into the
claim of 6 million total."
Deutsch, who insisted that the 6 million figure was gospel ("holy," don't
forget), looked like he was going to pop an aneurism as I continued: "You
know, 75 million people, military and civilian, died worldwide during
WWII,
yet we are supposed to honor the memory of only 6 million." I was cut off
before adding that most of that 6 million never existed and, besides, it
seemed to me that Jews should be honoring those of us who rescued them,
not
the other way around. That's how it is every time free speech hits the
holy
Holocaust wall - it must yield.
The Holy Roundup
Now they are jailing scholars for the crime of saying things as mild as
what
I said on national TV. Jews forced Ernst Zundel to be arrested here in
America on a phony visa charge and deported to Canada, where he spent two
years in solitary confinement for saying 6 million was too many; now he
faces a five-year prison term in Jewish-controlled Germany for the same
"crime."
In a replay of the Zundel pantomime deportation, scientist, historian and
publisher Dr. Germar Rudolf was arrested in America on a phony visa charge
and deported to Germany by Jews. I now call this routine "being
Zundeled."
David Irving, one of the most-respected historian author/scholars in the
world, now languishes in a European jail on the orders of Jews. And
others - many others. All face lengthy prison terms, merely for saying 6
million is an exaggeration. Look, I couldn't just make something this
ridiculous up, you know. Prison...for speaking the truth! They aren't
even
accused of lying, which, of course, they aren't. They are jailed under
the
vague charge of "Holocaust Denial." What's wrong with this picture?
Things Get Worse
Hold on, though - it gets worse.
Last month, the execrable United Nations adopted a resolution written by
Israel which designates January 27 as the "International Day of
Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust." The UN's decree
goes on to reject "any denial of the Holocaust as an historical event,
either in full or part."
This would be a good time for you to go look up the definition of
"chutzpah," a Yiddish term.
But wait - it gets even worse.
You probably aren't going to believe this next item. I scarcely believe
it
myself. Last week, the US House of Representatives adopted a
Jewish-sponsored resolution to designate every January as "Jewish History
Month" throughout America. All that remains is for the President to issue
an appropriate Executive Order. Did I mention that the House voted
unanimously? Unanimously. That means both you and I voted for it, since
our state representatives cast our votes for us. Unanimously. Can you
believe it?
Now go look up the definition of "hubris," which really ought to be a
Yiddish term.
And you thought you were sick of Black History Month? You ain't seen
nothin' yet. Coming right up behind it now is Jew History Month. How
appropriate. What? You don't get the joke? Think about it.
Staking the Devil
Now, I'm no historian. I'm no authority on World War II and I sure don't
claim to be a scholar. But, since the Jews have locked up all those who
fit
those descriptions and who dare to speak out on the so-called "Holocaust,"
it falls to the rest of us to pick up where they left off. What should we
do? We should drag this Holocaust myth out into the daylight and, in
plain
view of the entire world, drive a stake through its evil heart, once and
for
all.
I mentioned the Auschwitz signs. That's proof enough, right there, that 6
million is a lie. A lie - not a mistake - a Jewish lie! But there is so
much more.
By the way, if the Nazis killed so many Jews, how come there are so many
"Holocaust survivors," anyway? Just asking.
The WWI Holocaust
Did you know that the Jews trotted out their 6 million lie before, during
WWI? No, I didn't think so. They want you to forget about that claim,
which simply didn't stick. People were better read and educated then, I
suppose, else it might have gained the traction that it has achieved today
in couch potato land. "Six million men and women are dying" in the
Ukraine,
claimed The American Hebrew periodical on October 31, 1919, the very same
claim that Jews made twenty years later.
You see, Jews thought they were going to establish Israel right after WWI,
due to the Balfour Declaration's promise of Palestine in exchange for Jews
causing America to enter the war against Germany. Since a Jewish Torah
prophecy demands that there be a 6-million-Holocaust offering prior to
Jews
returning to the Promised Land, it was incumbent upon them to fabricate
the
Holocaust then and there. The Torah called for cleansing the "chosen"
souls
through the sacrifice of 6 million in "burning ovens," since unclean souls
could not be allowed to return to the Promised Land. That is the real
source of the "6 million" myth, as well as the myth of the "ovens."
However, Britain was unable to deliver up Palestine as promised by Lord
Balfour, since Palestine still was possessed by Turkey. It took another
twenty years and another World War to make good on Balfour's promise.
Quietly, the 6-million lie was put to rest, only to be revived just prior
to
WWII. The self-same claim about 6 million Jews dying was made, as part of
the propaganda to once again force America to enter a war which involved
none of its interests.
Jewish Hubris
You really must have a glimmering of the true extent of Jewish hubris in
order to appreciate their belief that, if they got the whole world to
repeat
their 6-million lie, then God would be fooled into allowing them to enter
the "Promised Land." Jews actually teach that their best Rabbis have the
ability to beat God in debates, by the way. Hubris. This time, do what I
told you before and actually look it up. This is why the figure 6 million
is sacred to our new State religion, the Holocaust. If there is a Jewish
God, which I sincerely doubt since most Jews are atheists, then he must be
really dumb.
75 million people throughout the world died in WWII. 75 million. Yet, we
are supposed to honor and remember only 6 million? Out of 75 million!!!
Just 6 million...Most of whom never existed in the first place!
Simple Logic
The whole premise of the Jewish Holocaust defies simple logic: Why would
Germany, fighting a war on two fronts...with fuel scarce...short of all
resources...ship millions of Jews by railroad...hundreds and thousands of
miles...to camps specially built just to hold them...feed them...clothe
them...tattoo them in order to keep track of them....just to KILL them?
It doesn't even begin to make sense. If the Germans had wanted to kill
the
Jews, they would have done it the way the Russian Jews murdered 20 to 80
million Russian Christians earlier in the century...with a bullet to the
base of the skull, wherever they were found.
Or, as my buddy Al likes to say: In all of German-occupied Europe , there
were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for
Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.
More
Jews received pensions than were present in German-occupied Europe because
so many of them moved west from Russia after the war and cleaned up on the
pension scam.
Even a cursory examination proves that the Jews are lying. For example,
the
Jewish Encyclopedia confirms Al's figures. Otherwise, the Jewish prewar
worldwide population figure of 15 million would read 9 million after the
war
instead of the 16 million that it gives. That's right - the worldwide
Jewish population actually increased during WWII!
In fact, the WWII Jewish Holocaust did not really take shape until fully
fabricated by Jews during the late 1950s. That is why, in the memoirs of
so
many WWII leaders and generals, including Eisenhower, Churchill and De
Gaulle, as recently pointed out by Professor Richard Lynn, "one will find
no
mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of
'six
million' Jewish victims of the war."
The Evidence
"What about the Auschwitz gas chambers?" you ask. Per Willis Carto's
late,
great Spotlight newspaper, none other than Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior
curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum, has
admitted
on film that "Krema 1," the only alleged "homicidal gas chamber" on
display
to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at Auschwitz, was built
after the war by the Soviet Union.
In 1948, three years after the war ended, formal Allied Commissions of
Inquiry concluded that nobody died of poison gas at any of the German
concentration camps, a conclusion also reached by modern engineering
forensics expert Fred Leuchter after extensive examination of the grounds
and buildings. Leuchter lost his business, his job and his reputation
simply for telling the truth about his engineering and chemical tests,
many
of which were repeated by Dr. Germar Rudolf, who confirmed Leuchter's
results. That was the major crime for which Dr. Rudolf now sits in a
German
prison. And yet the Holocaust myth endures!
"But the confessions..." you splutter. False. Every one of them. All
those German officers were tortured by Jews prior to the Nuremburg show
trials, most of them having had their testicles crushed in the process,
which is why they signed all those confessions. What's more, they signed
confessions written mainly in English, a language most of them could
neither
read nor speak. You know the torture that Jews inflict upon Palestinians
today when they catch them? That's nothing compared to what Jewish
interrogators did to their German prisoners at Nuremburg. What's even
more
telling, all the prosecutors and judges at Nuremburg were Jews.
No wartime aerial photos of the camps show piles of corpses or crematoria
in
action. Reasonable people ask, "If six million are dead, then where are
the
bodies?" That and Torah prophecy wording is where the gas oven stories
came
from: "They went up in smoke." No bodies were found then, nor was any
billowing smoke seen emitted by the camps, nor have any remains been
found
near any of the camps in amounts which add up to anything more than the
relatively small number of prisoners acknowledged to have died of typhus
and
other diseases while imprisoned.
International Red Cross documents clearly show that fewer than 300,000
Jews
died during WWII in all German concentration camps combined. As a race,
Jews gave far fewer to the war efforts than did any other nation involved,
which is why their total population increased during the war, in contrast
to
that of most combatants.
The ridiculous claims about Jews being made into soap and lampshades were
debunked thoroughly long ago and Jews would like you to forget them now
that
they have made their 6-million hoax into a viable religion. After all,
the
absolute lack of any proof of Jewish soap or lampshades would weaken their
new religion, wouldn't it?
The Real Holocausts
Meanwhile, there are genuine Holocausts which actually did happen last
century, yet which are not memorialized. In fact, Jews file lawsuits to
suppress their mention and/or accurate description in public schools and
in
modern media.
The undisputed genocide of 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of their
Turkish oppressors in 1915 is particularly maddening since Turkey at that
time was controlled by Donmeh Muslims. Now, you may not know this, but
Donmeh Muslims are a sect comprised entirely of Jews who "converted" to
Islam yet continued secretly to practice Judaism and refused to intermarry
with true Turks. This was last century's first Holocaust and it was
caused
by Jews. My children are one fourth Armenian (my wife is half Armenian
and
half German...for what it is worth, I am half Scotch and half Irish).
Does
that make them Holocaust survivors?
In the post-revolution, Jewish-controlled Soviet Union, between 20 and 80
million White Christians systematically were murdered from 1917 to 1953.
This was the second Holocaust of the Twentieth Century, perpetrated
directly
by Jews, in a preview of what they have in mind for American Christians
during this coming century. What? You didn't think the
de-Christianization
of American schools, government and Christmas would stop where it
currently
stands, did you?
In what amounts to the third Holocaust of the Twentieth Century, the
Allies
firebombed Dresden, Germany, during WWII, simply to see if they could
create
a self-enervating firestorm. They succeeded and, in the maelstrom that
followed, murdered upwards of 500,000 people, most of them civilians, and
destroyed one of the most beautiful cities then in existence. Since the
war
was prosecuted at the behest of and for the benefit of Jews, the blood of
Dresden is upon Jewish heads (to borrow the Biblical phrase, "His blood be
upon our heads," uttered by the Jews who engineered the crucifixion of
Jesus
Christ).
The fourth Holocaust, of course, is America's laying waste to both
Nagasaki
and Hiroshima with nuclear bombs. The Jewish connection requires a short
explanation. America cut off Japanese oil supplies, forcing their attack
upon Pearl Harbor. Franklin Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Pearl
Harbor, yet simply let it happen so that the American people finally would
be outraged enough to allow him to declare war on Japan, which until then
had been engaged in a long-standing, low-grade war solely with China.
Without oil, Japan was sure to lose to China, thus was forced to lash out
at
America. Because of Japan's mutual defense pact with Germany, American
Jews
finally had an excuse to declare war against Germany, too, their primary
objective in causing the US to interfere with Japan's war, which until
then
had been confined solely to Asia. Thus, the nuclear holocaust unleashed
upon Japan also is to be laid at the feet of world Jewry.
The truth puts the lie to the laughably deniable so-called Jewish
Holocaust.
So few Jews died during WWII and those mainly of natural causes, at that,
that the term Holocaust should not even be applied to what happened to
them.
Indeed, the four events of the Twentieth Century that actually deserve the
term Holocaust all were caused by Jews themselves, advancing their own
interests!
Why?
Since the Jewish Holocaust is so easily disproven, why do Jews hold onto
it
with such fervor? There are many reasons, in addition to the Torah
prophecy, of course, which must be met. Incidentally, speaking of
prophecy,
do you believe in it? Did you know that the Jewish population of the
United
States now is about 6 million? Did you know that the Jewish population of
Israel also numbers about 6 million at this time? Lessee now, if prophecy
actually gets fulfilled, which do you suppose will get nuked out of
existence first?
But, back to the benefits the Holocaust holds for Jews: First and
foremost,
it protects Jews, both individually and collectively, from criticism. It
also has provided prodigious income, both in reparations and in
contributions from the deluded, particularly American aid to Israel,
which,
prior to the beginning of the current Iraq war, amounted to about $64,000
from every American family. What's more, the "Holocaust" forms a sort of
"them-against-us" mentality for Jews to use in keeping their brethren all
pulling in the same direction. And the Holocaust enables Israel to
formulate and direct American Middle-Eastern policy. The Holocaust also
diverts attention from the many Jewish-instigated true holocausts of the
Twentieth Century.
In Closing
Now, that's real Holocaust Denial! None of this penny-ante, "Gee, was it
6
million or 5 million?" business for which fellows like Zundel, Rudolph and
Irving now sit in jail, awaiting trial. And, God, how the Jews deserve
it,
believe me. When they labeled me a Holocaust Denier, they asked for it.
In
for a penny, in for a pound. I don't want to hear them complain now,
simply
because I gave them that of which they accused me. And I'm not done,
either. In fact, I'm just getting warmed up.
Interestingly, when Deutsch threw that question at me on national TV about
how many Jews died during the Holocaust, the first response that floated
across my mind, as though on a Teleprompter, was a joke punchline, as so
often is the case with the way my mind works. I resisted the impulse to
read it off as it floated by, just as I usually do, and, instead, gave the
answer I related above. What was the initial answer my somewhat twisted
mind offered up? Not enough! Mind you, I do not mean to suggest that we
do
unto Jews as they have done unto us, time and again. But, if 6 million
really had died during WWII, do you suppose we would be having the
troubles
on their account that we have today?
As I like to say: I agree with those who say anti-Semitism is a disease.
You catch it from Jews!
My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web
site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.
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20 Dec 2005 07:29:48 PM |
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all legitimate Western authorities accept the figure of 6 million Jews murdered
I'm now interested in what the 'non-legitimate' authorites have to say.
Apparently there is an alt.revisionism ...... I'll check this out.
The story written of the changing signs at Auschwitz are a total fabrication by Jew haters.
Nope. Steele's figures are accurate ..... it took me about 5 minutes
googling to find out that you are the liar, Frank.
Until the 80's the Auschwitz musuem maintained that 4 mil plus died,
now the figure is close to 1 mill.
This info can easily be googled.... here is a sample of what you will
find.....
In fact, it was a study begun in 1980 by Franciszek Piper, head of
the Historical Department at the Auschwitz State Museum that
finally displaced the Museum's four million figure (Catani, 14).
Piper collected all available documentation on how many deportees
arrived at Auschwitz, and subtracted from this all known transfers,
releases, and escapees to arrive at his estimation. Here are his
calculations:
Deportees to Auschwitz: 1,300,000
Transfers: -212,820
Released prisoners: -1,500
Escapees: -500
Liberated Prisoners: -8,000
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Total Dead: 1,077,180
etc., etc......
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20 Dec 2005 10:12:11 PM |
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<nammalfmilf@aol.com> wrote in message
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all legitimate Western authorities accept the figure of 6 million Jews
murdered
I'm now interested in what the 'non-legitimate' authorites have to say.
Apparently there is an alt.revisionism ...... I'll check this out.
The story written of the changing signs at Auschwitz are a total
fabrication by Jew haters.
Nope. Steele's figures are accurate ..... it took me about 5 minutes
googling to find out that you are the liar, Frank.
Until the 80's the Auschwitz musuem maintained that 4 mil plus died,
now the figure is close to 1 mill.
This info can easily be googled.... here is a sample of what you will
find.....
In fact, it was a study begun in 1980 by Franciszek Piper, head of
the Historical Department at the Auschwitz State Museum that
finally displaced the Museum's four million figure (Catani, 14).
Piper collected all available documentation on how many deportees
arrived at Auschwitz, and subtracted from this all known transfers,
releases, and escapees to arrive at his estimation. Here are his
calculations:
Deportees to Auschwitz: 1,300,000
Transfers: -212,820
Released prisoners: -1,500
Escapees: -500
Liberated Prisoners: -8,000
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Total Dead: 1,077,180
This correct, but it does not change the total killed by Nazi Germany. What
happen is that after WWII many survivors just knew that their relatives were
killed in concentration camps. With the most notorious being Auschwitz, many
just assumed that was where they died.
The reason the amounts believed killed at Auschwitz has dropped is because
historians have found that many of these victims were killed at other camps
and their deaths initially wrongly accredited to Auschwitz. They were still
killed, just a one of the other camps. Historians have just been correcting
the signs over the years to reflect that. The Nazi's had 7 camps whose
primary use was just to kill people.
Death camp totals.
Majdanek 1,380,000
Auschwitz 1,200,000 (includes 200,000 that died from other causes then the
gas chambers)
Treblinka 700,000
Belzek 600,000
Kulmhof 320,000
Sobibor 250,000
Stutthof 65,000
Total 4,515,00
This does not include deaths at other camps, just those that were killed at
the 7 extermination camps. There were 100's of other camps in Germany and
the occupied areas, many more deaths occurred there as well.
Nuki Mouse.
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21 Dec 2005 10:06:27 AM |
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This correct, but it does not change the total killed by Nazi Germany.
Doesn't that strike you as slightly remarkable. The bulk of the
killing done at Auschwitz, then the number drops from 4 mill to 1
mill.... and yet the total doesn't change?
historians have found that many of these victims were killed at other camps and their deaths initially wrongly accredited to Auschwitz.
This is equally suspicious.... in my 5 minutes research I found that
the initial Auschwitz estimates where pulled out of the hat by the
Soviets who got there first. Whereas you make it sound as if they had
a list.
Maybe your numbers are correct. Maybe not.
What is a good reference on the subject?
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21 Dec 2005 10:37:51 AM |
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<nammalfmilf@aol.com> wrote in message
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This correct, but it does not change the total killed by Nazi Germany.
Doesn't that strike you as slightly remarkable. The bulk of the
killing done at Auschwitz, then the number drops from 4 mill to 1
mill.... and yet the total doesn't change?
Only becuse most of the deaths due to the gas chambers were initially
acredited to Auschitz, as the number believed killed there dropped, the
numbers now know to be killed instead at the other main 6 extermination
camps rose.
historians have found that many of these victims were killed at other
camps and their deaths initially wrongly accredited to Auschwitz.
This is equally suspicious.... in my 5 minutes research I found that
the initial Auschwitz estimates where pulled out of the hat by the
Soviets who got there first. Whereas you make it sound as if they had
a list.
Not a "name by name" exact list, but a rough estimate of those killed. They
just assigned many deaths to Auschwitz that later was found to have happen
at other camps, just like I said.
Maybe your numbers are correct. Maybe not.
What is a good reference on the subject?
Dozen's, hundred's, try google. The real question is are you willing to
believe them or a bunch of racist neo-nazi's?
Nuki Mouse
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21 Dec 2005 01:53:34 PM |
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Dozen's, hundred's, try google. The real question is are you willing to believe them or a bunch of racist neo-nazi's?
I try to go with the data. Name calling, like you are indulging in,
'racist neo-nazis'... doesn't impress. For example, in the case of
the estimate of the deaths at Auschwitz, your 'racist neo-nazi'...
Steele, was giving the true picture..... while the 'authoritative
source', Arthur, was lying, and it was easily checked. So, let's keep
an open mind, shall we?
Also note that Arthur's lie was bald faced....quite remarkable
really....and without google it would have been laborious to find out
the truth, trips to the library ... etc....not worth it in other
words....
So, I'm still wondering if there is a standard 'authoritative'
reference.....to start with.....
And also maybe a standard work from the 'racist
neo-nazis'.......LOL..... then we can compare and contrast.
And of course we'll use google along the way...... it really 'changes
everything' to have this much info at one's fingertips..............but
of course you have to sort through the dreck.....
I start with an open mind.......
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21 Dec 2005 04:48:50 PM |
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<nammalfmilf@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dozen's, hundred's, try google. The real question is are you willing
to believe them or a bunch of racist neo-nazi's?
I try to go with the data. Name calling, like you are indulging in,
'racist neo-nazis'... doesn't impress. For example, in the case of
the estimate of the deaths at Auschwitz, your 'racist neo-nazi'...
Steele, was giving the true picture..... while the 'authoritative
source', Arthur, was lying, and it was easily checked. So, let's keep
an open mind, shall we?
First off the "racist neo-nazis" comment was aimed at Edgar J. Steele, AKA
"news" who started this thread. He is a known Racist and Neo-Nazi, he's even
written a book defending his right to be a racist. Why do you think he is
list on the ADL website, and that the Southern Poverty Law Center has placed
him on the "hatewatch" list of top potentially dangerous racist.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=215#32
Also note that Arthur's lie was bald faced....quite remarkable
really....and without google it would have been laborious to find out
the truth, trips to the library ... etc....not worth it in other
words....
No Arthur was not telling a bald face lie, he most likely did not know that
the figures really have been changed, for years the signs at Auschwitz DID
say 4 million were killed there. There have been false reports for years
that signs and displays at various concentration camps and museums in
Germany changed to deny that the holocaust ever happened. Most were false,
and the few that were "true" were just clarifying known wrong information,
like that the Gas cambers at Dachau were used to kill people instead of just
to delouse them. Dachau was a work camp, not an extermination center,
people were sent there not to be killed but to be used as a slave labor
force. Those sent there were use a slave labor until they died of desease,
overwork, or stravation, or were sent on to an extermination camp like
Auschwitz to be killed there.
So, I'm still wondering if there is a standard 'authoritative'
reference.....to start with.....
And also maybe a standard work from the 'racist
neo-nazis'.......LOL..... then we can compare and contrast.
And of course we'll use google along the way...... it really 'changes
everything' to have this much info at one's fingertips..............but
of course you have to sort through the dreck.....
I start with an open mind.......
Here is the website for the Museum at Auschwitz
http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/start/index.php
A good site about the Holocaust (pro-holocuast) with numerous links and
online acounts is "The Cybrary of the Holocaust." BTW it is "Cybrary" for
short for "Cyber library."
http://www.remember.org/
And of course there is also the Nizkor Project, which is dedicated to
debunking the "Holocaust Denial" movement.
http://www.nizkor.org/
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a good site about hategroups of all types
active in the US.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp
I will not list links to groups I dipise as hatemongers, but you can just
google "Holocaust denial"
Or here is a link to the Wikipedia about Holocaust denial. there are links
at the bottom to various denial groups and websites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_revisionism
Now I feel dirty and need to go wash my hands.
Nuki Mouse.
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21 Dec 2005 07:50:47 PM |
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Thanks, this looks like a start.
Now I feel dirty and need to go wash my hands.
You shouldn't overdramatize the Holocaust in any case. There are many
among us whose crimes, when recorded and reflected on, will make the
Nazi's look like choirboys..... even I am in this evil group...... of
persons who have built, over the last 40 - 50 years, the doomsday
machine that will very likely destroy civilization if not the human
race. Dwelling on the Holocaust to the exclusion of the incredible
peril the entire human race is in right now...... is,
.........misguided.....even pathological.....incomprehenisble to
me.....................
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21 Dec 2005 04:26:23 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be wrote
in message
<1135194814.089243.50040@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Dozen's, hundred's, try google. The real question is are you willing to believe them or a bunch of racist neo-nazi's?
I try to go with the data. Name calling, like you are indulging in,
'racist neo-nazis'... doesn't impress. For example, in the case of
the estimate of the deaths at Auschwitz, your 'racist neo-nazi'...
Steele, was giving the true picture..... while the 'authoritative
source', Arthur, was lying, and it was easily checked. So, let's keep
an open mind, shall we?
Also note that Arthur's lie was bald faced....quite remarkable
really....and without google it would have been laborious to find out
the truth, trips to the library ... etc....not worth it in other
words....
So, I'm still wondering if there is a standard 'authoritative'
reference.....to start with.....
There are several -- you'll find them in the "History" section of the
library.
And also maybe a standard work from the 'racist
neo-nazis'.......LOL..... then we can compare and contrast.
Those, you'll find are mainly self-published, and mainly rehash the
same old lies.
The deniers do not have an alternative explanation which takes into
account all of the mountains of evidence which have been researched,
validated and interpreted by generations of historians -- and they
have is the Four D's of Denial:
Dismiss the evidence (the argument here is that documentation was
forged, and proven by the observation that it is possible to forge
documents -- but ignoring that the scale of such a forgery is
impossible)
Distract from the evidence (this is the one where they try, for
example, to manipulate people into forgetting their failure above to
actually *prove* forgery by introducing irrelevancies like early
stories of steam executions. Guess what? George Washington didn't
chop down that cherry tree, either -- but that doesn't mean he never
existed.)
Distort the evidence (this is the one that lead one of their poster
boys to call a ratio of 16 out of 30 "almost all')
Deny the evidence (this one is pretty self explanatory, altho
sometimes it is difficult to determine if they are denying the
evidence or simply ignorant of its existence.)
And of course we'll use google along the way...... it really 'changes
everything' to have this much info at one's fingertips..............but
of course you have to sort through the dreck.....
I start with an open mind.......
And an open book, I hope...
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21 Dec 2005 04:46:30 PM |
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.And an open book, I hope...
That's my plan ............. but .... I need a title........... has
someone addressed just this issue? Where is the number coming from. I
don't want to read every book in the library.....
Is there an 'authoritative' source or not?
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21 Dec 2005 05:07:20 PM |
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Everyone knows that the Holocaust is just a racism and media agenda.
Anyone who questions it draws the same old boring, 'you are an
anti-semite for daring to question your Jewish masters so you are
ignored.' Yawn. Wake me when the tiresome heretic fallacy is over. How
many Jews actually died? I don't really care in the least. My
grandfather died fighting in WW2 as a combat marine. Where is my duty
to remember? I do remember my grandfather. Do I feel guilty over a war
my family fought and died in on the good side? No. Not in the least.
You will need more than the threat of lying that everyone is an
anti-semite to make me like the war for Israel in Iraq, or Americans
doing all the fighting, dying, and paying all the money to kill enemies
of Israel and FORCE the fake democratic sham government of Iraq give
Israel an oil pipeline even though the 'democratic' people of Iraq hate
Israel with a passion that can't be understated. Since there is ZERO
NONE NADA formal public avenues to disagree with Israel, OF COURSE
everyone who dislikes the crimes of Israel are called anti-semite
radicals. You have to be. They own all the media. Publishing negative
stories about Israel in the open media ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE TRUE is
against the laws of the Western establishments. Reminds me of the
President of Iran. If white Europeans on one side killed the white
European Jews on the other side, then white Europeans should give white
European lands to the white European Jews who want to make a new
biblical Israel. Why should racial semites give land and be slaughtered
to pay for the crimes of white Europeans? Yes, as usual, look up the
word semite. The word was not created to describe white Europeans who
entered the religion through the centuries. Thus, when you lie, and say
the White European who are Jewish are GENETIC JEWS OF THE SEMITE RACIAL
STOCK, then you have discovered why the word MYTH comes up all the
time. And why the word RACISM comes up all the time. You need MYTH and
RACISM to spin the comical lies of where the white European Jews came
from, what their genetic racial homeland is, and who should be paying
the bills of this supposed debt to them that never existed in the first
place. Most importantly is the situation I have at this moment, which
is, what I think, or anyone thinks who does not SERVE ISRAEL - DOES NOT
MATTER AND IS NOT WANTED - the topic of Israel is NOT open to debate.
The topic of the Holocaust is NOT open to debate. The Jews and only the
Jews will TELL YOU what is true, and what you will think, and the way
things will be, and you will agree unconditionally OR be called a Nazi
anti-semite and persecuted. There is no other options. Mindless
unquestioning obedience or be a Nazi.
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21 Dec 2005 06:06:13 PM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be wrote
in message
<1135205189.925399.203450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
.And an open book, I hope...
That's my plan ............. but .... I need a title........... has
someone addressed just this issue? Where is the number coming from. I
don't want to read every book in the library.....
Is there an 'authoritative' source or not?
A good place to start is perhaps Raul Hilberg's "The Destruction of
the European Jews" or "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, vols. 1 & 2"
edited by Israel Gutman.
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21 Dec 2005 07:43:18 PM |
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A good place to start is perhaps Raul Hilberg's "The Destruction of the European Jews"
Thanks, this sounds like a good place to start.
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| User: "Malibu Skipper" |
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21 Dec 2005 08:01:12 AM |
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Nuki Mouse wrote:
Death camp totals.
Majdanek 1,380,000
Auschwitz 1,200,000 (includes 200,000 that died from other causes then the
gas chambers)
Treblinka 700,000
Belzek 600,000
Kulmhof 320,000
Sobibor 250,000
Stutthof 65,000
Total 4,515,00
This does not include deaths at other camps, just those that were killed at
the 7 extermination camps. There were 100's of other camps in Germany and
the occupied areas, many more deaths occurred there as well.
Also, remember that many victims of the holocaust were not killed in
camps at all, but were killed as soon as they were found.
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