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"." |
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30 Aug 2007 11:32:49 PM |
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Probability of the supernatural |
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
30 Aug 2007 11:39:24 PM |
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.. wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
Come, come, let's not beat around the shrub!
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| User: "Paul" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 01:45:22 AM |
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67 percent
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=13&articleID=000E350F-2F66-10CF-AD3D83414B7F0000
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 02:44:13 AM |
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"Paul" <paulq_1998@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6OOBi.1165$k22.116@read2.cgocable.net to alt.atheism:
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it,
who is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
67 percent
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=13&articleID=000E35
0F-2F66-10CF-AD3D83414B7F0000
That's based on Bayes' theorem, and that percentage is exactly the
percentage of final year BSc Honours Computing Science students who agreed
that Bayes' theorem was bollocks because it was based on a confusion
between correlation and causality.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
"*****! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
01 Sep 2007 03:09:16 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "."
<emanswen@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it,
Probability: 0
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
02 Sep 2007 01:49:51 AM |
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In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Sep 2007 04:10:09 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:49:51 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
He was asking for a guide to where to find the 'best' arguments, not
their outcome.
(Including the best arguments for the *improbability*, to which I
might suggest The Skeptics' Annotated Bible.)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
03 Sep 2007 12:11:02 AM |
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In article <kbvkd31h0fc38ea50iv661jhkr8rknsasg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:49:51 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
He was asking for a guide to where to find the 'best' arguments, not
their outcome.
(Including the best arguments for the *improbability*, to which I
might suggest The Skeptics' Annotated Bible.)
That would be good, but so many books have been written by atheists on
atheism recently that he could read any one of those.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
03 Sep 2007 03:03:21 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:11:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <kbvkd31h0fc38ea50iv661jhkr8rknsasg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:49:51 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
He was asking for a guide to where to find the 'best' arguments, not
their outcome.
(Including the best arguments for the *improbability*, to which I
might suggest The Skeptics' Annotated Bible.)
That would be good, but so many books have been written by atheists on
atheism recently that he could read any one of those.
That much is true.
Dawkins possibly provides the most rigorous arguments, Hitchens the
most robust, Sagan the most elegant, Dennet the most gentle, and
Harris the most provoking.
It's hard to know what is meant by 'best', given the stellar
continuum!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
03 Sep 2007 11:58:24 PM |
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In article <9ofnd3ho8mgg69ncu3rlsnce9dep44bn4s@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:11:02 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <kbvkd31h0fc38ea50iv661jhkr8rknsasg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:49:51 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
He was asking for a guide to where to find the 'best' arguments, not
their outcome.
(Including the best arguments for the *improbability*, to which I
might suggest The Skeptics' Annotated Bible.)
That would be good, but so many books have been written by atheists on
atheism recently that he could read any one of those.
That much is true.
Dawkins possibly provides the most rigorous arguments, Hitchens the
most robust, Sagan the most elegant, Dennet the most gentle, and
Harris the most provoking.
It's hard to know what is meant by 'best', given the stellar
continuum!
Yep. As you point out, they are all 'best' for different reasons. And
maybe as a 'classic' I would recommend "Atheism: The Case Against God"
by George H. Smith.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
02 Sep 2007 06:39:55 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:40:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:49:51 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Zero, none, and nil.
He was asking for a guide to where to find the 'best' arguments, not
their outcome.
You cannot construct arguments from ignorance.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2007 07:40:45 AM |
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On 31 aug, 06:32, "." <emans...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
Cannot give you a probability without sufficient data.
But there are about 6 billion people in the world, and not one has
been able to demonstrate that an event like that has ever happened
so - in my view - the probability is less than 1 in 6 billion.
Is that a satisfactory estimate?
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Olrik" |
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31 Aug 2007 01:10:38 AM |
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On Aug 31, 12:32 am, "." <emans...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Ask religious people what's the probability of a Fiery Red Dragon
residing at the centre of the
Earth and being responsible for earthquakes and volcanoes.
They'll flee, or will evade the question, or they'll contend that the
"Fiery Red Dragon" is not part of the "bible".
For fun, ask them how they did *prove* that the "Fiery Red Dragon" is
not real.
Olrik
Thanks
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 02:18:03 PM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1188540638.757734.128510@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 31, 12:32 am, "." <emans...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Ask religious people what's the probability of a Fiery Red Dragon
residing at the centre of the
Earth and being responsible for earthquakes and volcanoes.
They'll flee, or will evade the question, or they'll contend that the
"Fiery Red Dragon" is not part of the "bible".
For fun, ask them how they did *prove* that the "Fiery Red Dragon" is
not real.
Pfffff...
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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31 Aug 2007 12:52:15 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
A priori, one cannot sensibly calculate the probabilty of such a
'thing'.
Your question is totally meaningless.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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31 Aug 2007 02:17:13 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:b2bfd39c1u8fugh1ej38bt3ohf7qesom4t@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
A priori, one cannot sensibly calculate the probabilty of such a
'thing'.
Your question is totally meaningless.
JAWOHL!
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 08:48:09 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
If you can show that something can exist "outside of nature" and that
impossible events can happen, then I think you have a fairly decent
shot to promote a probability of greater than zero. If both these
criteria can not be demonstrated then there isn't any data upon which
to calculate the probability.
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
Liz #658 BAAWA
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 02:19:15 PM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message news:fl6gd3hkhghp3lfjtsgj7ns4vilsnlhco1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
If you can show that something can exist "outside of nature" and that
impossible events can happen, then I think you have a fairly decent
shot to promote a probability of greater than zero. If both these
criteria can not be demonstrated then there isn't any data upon which
to calculate the probability.
In other words; if we don't look, we won't know, therefore it doesn't exist.
Atheists. Too scared to doubt their beliefs.
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
Liz #658 BAAWA
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 07:47:12 PM |
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:19:15 +0200 there was an Ancient "de_menezes"
<de_menezes@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message news:fl6gd3hkhghp3lfjtsgj7ns4vilsnlhco1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
If you can show that something can exist "outside of nature" and that
impossible events can happen, then I think you have a fairly decent
shot to promote a probability of greater than zero. If both these
criteria can not be demonstrated then there isn't any data upon which
to calculate the probability.
In other words; if we don't look, we won't know, therefore it doesn't exist.
Actually, we do look. Constantly. It's called "science" and because of
it the Black Death is now a minor inconveince requiring a few trips to
the doctor.
Atheists. Too scared to doubt their beliefs.
Oh, I question things daily. I constantly ask theists to show me
evidence, but so far nothing that can be tested and verified.
Now be a good little lunatic and spout some "Hogan's Heroes" German.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
01 Sep 2007 12:04:27 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:cfdhd3p3fal3tk38f4lp9pum2n78481kn2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:19:15 +0200 there was an Ancient "de_menezes"
<de_menezes@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message news:fl6gd3hkhghp3lfjtsgj7ns4vilsnlhco1@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
If you can show that something can exist "outside of nature" and that
impossible events can happen, then I think you have a fairly decent
shot to promote a probability of greater than zero. If both these
criteria can not be demonstrated then there isn't any data upon which
to calculate the probability.
In other words; if we don't look, we won't know, therefore it doesn't exist.
Actually, we do look. Constantly. It's called "science" and because of
it the Black Death is now a minor inconveince requiring a few trips to
the doctor.
No, 'Doug', you are not 'looking'. Don't lie. That is not nice.
All 'science' is doing, is trying to find cure(s) for diseases and stuff. They
are not 'looking whether God exists or not'.
I know you think this whole Universe is a bunch of rocks, and that this
Universe and Life have no meaning. That it is all just random, and chaos.
That just shows how unintelligent you really are, 'Doug'. You and your
friends atheists.
Just because you're not intelligent enough to see that there actually is a
meaning to all of this 'chaos', it doesn't mean that there isn't any meaning
to all of this.
Can you understand that? I know you can.
Now, turn the other cheek... I am about to bitchslap you yet again.
Atheists. Too scared to doubt their beliefs.
Oh, I question things daily. I constantly ask theists to show me
evidence, but so far nothing that can be tested and verified.
Well then, you have to go and see for yourself.
But, that won't happen. You'll prolly end up living in denial and fear.
Same 'ol, same 'ol, 'Doug'.
Now be a good little lunatic and spout some "Hogan's Heroes" German.
Well, when you atheists start acting like nazis, I will. Don't worry, 'Doug'.
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Look at your sig, 'Doug', and just off yourself, will ya?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
01 Sep 2007 01:01:58 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:04:27 +0200 there was an Ancient "de_menezes"
<de_menezes@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:cfdhd3p3fal3tk38f4lp9pum2n78481kn2@4ax.com...
Actually, we do look. Constantly. It's called "science" and because of
it the Black Death is now a minor inconveince requiring a few trips to
the doctor.
No, 'Doug', you are not 'looking'. Don't lie. That is not nice.
I'm not lying.
All 'science' is doing, is trying to find cure(s) for diseases and stuff. They
are not 'looking whether God exists or not'.
Ever hear what Professor Stephan Hawking said when he was asked what
he expected to find at the moment of the Big Bang?
I know you think this whole Universe is a bunch of rocks, and that this
Universe and Life have no meaning. That it is all just random, and chaos.
Not at all. There is great order in the universe. For example, carbon
always binds to other atoms in the same way.
That just shows how unintelligent you really are, 'Doug'. You and your
friends atheists.
Just because you're not intelligent enough to see that there actually is a
meaning to all of this 'chaos', it doesn't mean that there isn't any meaning
to all of this.
Can you understand that? I know you can.
Prove there is a meaning. In a lab. Document your methods and
experiments so that others can repeat them.
Now, turn the other cheek... I am about to bitchslap you yet again.
Of course you are dear. Why, you are the most terrifying thing ever!
(pats on head.)
In reality, if you tried to bitchslap me, you'd wake up in a hospital
with a really impressive assembly holding the remains of your arm in
place.
Atheists. Too scared to doubt their beliefs.
Oh, I question things daily. I constantly ask theists to show me
evidence, but so far nothing that can be tested and verified.
Well then, you have to go and see for yourself.
I have. It's called science, remember?
But, that won't happen. You'll prolly end up living in denial and fear.
HA! Dude, not only have I looke death in the face, I've *died* during
an operation. I've beaten cancer, survived combat, and I'm almost over
Game 6 of the 2002 World Series. I'm loving life, and you're the one
who feels compelled to come into a group and tell us how sad we all
are. I sense a little projection in play here.
Same 'ol, same 'ol, 'Doug'.
Now be a good little lunatic and spout some "Hogan's Heroes" German.
Well, when you atheists start acting like nazis, I will. Don't worry, 'Doug'.
OK, I'll annex Austria.
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Look at your sig, 'Doug', and just off yourself, will ya?
No. I study astronomy. The things we are learning, the questions we
didn't even have ten years ago.. we are just begining to scratch the
surface of what we can learn.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 06:02:00 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
You will have an impossible problem until you define exactly what you
mean by 'the normal laws of nature', and 'nature' itself!
You have set yourself up for a mental circle-jerk here.
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
Thanks
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 11:22:44 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Since "nature" and "reality" mean the same thing in this case, the
probability of proving that the being exists both outside "nature" and
within reality is exactly 0, to infinite decimal places.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 02:20:35 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:8vfgd3l0l7kuhfq0nhd3lelcjumsf6qghh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, "." <emanswen@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Since "nature" and "reality" mean the same thing in this case, the
probability of proving that the being exists both outside "nature" and
within reality is exactly 0, to infinite decimal places.
Says 'Al Klein', a world class physicist/chemist/philosopher.
If 'Al Klein' says it's 'exactly 0', well then, it must be true. Right?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Probability of the supernatural |
31 Aug 2007 03:37:35 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:32:49 -0700, in alt.atheism , "."
<emanswen@hotmail.com> in
<1188534769.790359.289180@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out the probability that the following "being"
exists:
A being who exists outside of "nature" as we normally perceive it, who
is able and occasionally willing to act in this universe to cause
events which the normal laws of nature dictate would not otherwise be
possible (like raising a man from the dead).
Please note that these are the only known properties of this
hypothetical being; for instance, we do not know if he is good or
just, etc.
Can anyone point me in the direction of what they think are the best
arguments that show the improbability (or probability) of the
existence of this being?
There aren't any and you are trolling.
--
Matt Silberstein
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