| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Ike Milligan" |
| Date: |
08 Aug 2003 07:10:23 AM |
| Object: |
Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way back
to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the correspondence with Earthlink tech
support having removed the identifying material to avoid embarassing the
technician.
The problem is not the one that you are trying to help solve. The problem
is different. Due to the fact that there are over 120,000 headers in
alt.atheism, outlook express downloads many of them and then freezese when i
use the new news servers.Ths problem does not occur with the old mindspring
server as it only contains headers and messages going back a few weeks. The
new news servers have messages on them in that NG going back to April.
----- Original Message -----
From: <service@earthlink.net>
To: "Ike Milligan" <snipped>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, <snipped>
Subject: Re: Other - (KMM000000)
Dear Ike Milligan,
Thank you for contacting us.
We understand that you are unable to receive messages in specific newsgroup
and receiving many in a specific newsgroup.
As we have updates our news servers in order to increase the performance, so
please use any of the two news servers only as mentioned in the previous
email.
Further, please check your news settings, follow the steps given below to
set Mindspring News Server in Outlook Express.
01. Launch Outlook Express.
02. Click on Tools.
03. Click on Accounts.
04. Click on Add button.
05. Select and Click on News.
06. Enter your name in the Display Name field.
07. Click Next.
08. Enter your mindspring email address in the email address field.
09. Click Next.
10. Type news.west.earthlink.net or
news.east.earthlink.net.news. in the News Server field
11. Let the option of "My news server requires me to log on" remain
unchecked.
12. Click Next.
13. Click Finish.
14. Click Close.
The above steps will set Mindspring News Server in Outlook Express.
If the issue still persists, please get back to us for further assistance.
Why wait? Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
Maintenance web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update
your credit card information, go to:
http://myaccount.earthlink.net
We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or just
using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
instructions at your Support Center:
http://support.earthlink.net
Mr. X.Y.
Electronic Support
EarthLink, Inc.
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
CSR ID#:
Case ID
Original Message Follows:
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The problem is not with my software or settings but with your servers and
the specific newsgroup settings on your servers for that specific newsgroup.
Your e-mail suggested I refresh Free Agent settings for that newsgroup. I
gather from that statement that you had not read my message carefully, if at
all. Please address the problem that was actually stated in my message of
pass the message along to someone who has the time to deal with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <snipped.net>
To: "Ike Milligan" <snipped>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, <snipped>
Subject: Re: Other - (KMM<nipped>
Dear Ike Milligan,
Thank you for contacting us.
We understand your concern regarding news servers.
Two servers are available for Newsgroups usage: news.west.earthlink.net and
news.east.earthlink.net. For best performance, if you live west of the
Mississippi River, you should use news.west.earthlink.net. If you live east
of the Mississippi River, you should use news.east.earthlink.net. If you are
unsure, you should use news.east.earthlink.net. Both servers will have the
same functionality, capability, list of newsgroups, and articles.
All EarthLink members have access to both servers. We encourage you to
select whichever server provides the best experience for you.
For more information, please visit:
http://support.earthlink.net/mu/1/psc/img/walkthroughs/other/landingpage/8532.psc.html
Further, please refresh your newsgroup:
Open up Free Agent and go to the Online Menu. Choose the Refresh Groups list
option. This will download all the newgroups again and take out the lists
that don't exist anymore as well as adding any new ones for you. Once that
is done try going to the newsgroup again.
We hope the above information will be helpful to you.
If the issue still persists, please get back to us for further assistance.
Why wait? Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
Maintenance web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update
your credit card information, go to:
http://myaccount.earthlink.net
We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or just
using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
instructions at your Support Center:
http://support.earthlink.net
<snipped>
Electronic Support
EarthLink, Inc.
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
CSR ID#: <snipped>
Case ID <snipped>
Original Message Follows:
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Form Message
First Name: Ike
Last Name: Milligan
Email Address: <snipped>
Alternative Email:
Account Type: Dial-up
Issue: Other
Detailed Issue:
Operating System:
Hardware: Any new PC
Application Type:
POP Phone:
DSL Phone:
Domain:
Account Verification:
Invoice:
Message Body: I was previously using news.mindspring.com as my news server.
The new news servers news.west.earthlink.net, and news.east.earthlink.net
seem to work fine for most newsgroups, except my favorite alt.atheism. The
problem is, that news.mindspring.com still can be used with that newsgroup,
but news.west.earthlink.net crashes my newsreader by downloading over
116,000 message headers going back at least to April 2003, and then when the
folder is finally loaded, if the folder can completely get loaded 100%, (it
hangs at about 14% to 20% unless I compact the messages) Outlook Express
freezes and has to be shut down with the Win XP task manager. To even
download the 116K headers takes a long time on dialup. However when I use
news.mindspring.com, the server only shows about 10,000 or so headers going
back a couple weeks so doesn't crash my OE6 newsreader. On the other hand,
when I tried to change the server to news.east.earthlink.net as per your
e-mail instructions received recently, that NG showed up on the list of
newsgroups but the server seemed to be empty and not able to give me any new
headers, so that I got a line through any headers of previously unread
messages and in the message pane, an error message that the message was no
longer available on the server.
Content Group: 1
Abuse Details:
Abuse Details:
Abuse Details:
Spam Header:
Virus Header:
Bounced Email Header:
Firewall Log:
Date Of Incident:
Time Of Incident:
Spam Body:
Virus Body:
Bounced Email Body:
Log Time Zone:
Time Zone:
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 09:05:51 AM |
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"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> writes:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way back
to April 2003 B.C.
Whoa, now I can read spam from ancient Nubia:
"Turn 6 debens into 6000 debens, guaranteed!"
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 10:07:34 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3f33ae3f$0$157$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> writes:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On
both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server
still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way
back
to April 2003 B.C.
Whoa, now I can read spam from ancient Nubia:
"Turn 6 debens into 6000 debens, guaranteed!"
The problem is that the new servers go back to April 2003 B.C. whereas the
old mindspring server only goses back a few weeks. It crashes not only
Outlook Express but Win XP as well to try to go to the newsgroup on the new
servers they are telling us to start using. It seems to be only possible to
set the number of headers downloaded to a number between 50 and 1000 by
setting it globally under Tools, Options, Read, whereas I would need to set
the limit to 12,000, to recreate the utility of using the old server. The
tech support department can't address the problem since they are trained
only to solve peoples' own software glitches rather than the problems caused
by the (deliberately?) inept mangement of their own company.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 02:12:44 PM |
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"J Forbes" <jforbspam@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:bh0f2i$780$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...
Ike Milligan wrote:
The problem is that the new servers go back to April 2003 B.C. whereas
the
old mindspring server only goses back a few weeks. It crashes not only
Outlook Express but Win XP as well to try to go to the newsgroup on the
new
servers they are telling us to start using. It seems to be only
possible to
set the number of headers downloaded to a number between 50 and 1000 by
setting it globally under Tools, Options, Read, whereas I would need to
set
the limit to 12,000, to recreate the utility of using the old server.
The
tech support department can't address the problem since they are trained
only to solve peoples' own software glitches rather than the problems
caused
by the (deliberately?) inept mangement of their own company.
Set it to 1000, and it'll take a week to get back up to 10k headers.
Or....just keep using the old mindspring server, like I am :)
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
Trouble is, that it makes it difficult for interested people using Outlook
Express to read the newsgroup. a person who tries to go to the newsgroup and
having earthlink ISP can expect no help from earthlink tech support. Cuts
down on the universe of people to commune with. Also I'm not sure your
suggestion will even work, not having tried it. Yes, I'm still using
mindsproing news but how long that option will be available is unclear at
the moment.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 05:13:10 PM |
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Ike Milligan wrote:
Trouble is, that it makes it difficult for interested people using Outlook
Express to read the newsgroup. a person who tries to go to the newsgroup and
having earthlink ISP can expect no help from earthlink tech support. Cuts
down on the universe of people to commune with. Also I'm not sure your
suggestion will even work, not having tried it. Yes, I'm still using
mindsproing news but how long that option will be available is unclear at
the moment.
I guess I'm just cynical, but I've come to expect *nothing* from
customer support for any computer related service or product. So, your
response from the isp fits nicely into my world-view. Sorry. I got
burned out on the very same folks when they changed the local dial up
number, and whoever it was in India or wherever I was emailing could not
comprehend my problem...and of course it was a different person each time.
If you wanna have a lot more messages on a newsgroup, use a different
newsreader. It's a pain, but may be worth it.
One other benny of mozilla is the built in stuff to cut down on ads
(block ad servers easily) and select what parts of Javascript to enable
(no more pop-ups). But I expect there are better newsreaders than
mozilla, too.
Not that I'm down on Microsyth's Planet Exploder ;)
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
20 Oct 2003 09:24:55 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:05:51 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> writes:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On
both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over
120,000 headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old
server still works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks
and contain about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going
all the way back to April 2003 B.C.
Whoa, now I can read spam from ancient Nubia: "Turn 6 debens into 6000
debens, guaranteed!"
Oh those johnny-come-latelies?
I'm still getting spam from the Atlanteans...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 04:33:08 PM |
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"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote
On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to
download over 120,000 headers, and can't let the computer
shut down normally.
[Edit] [Catch-up]
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
12 Aug 2003 07:41:12 AM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_DSdnc-k04oVi6miXTWJkw@comcast.com...
"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote
On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to
download over 120,000 headers, and can't let the computer
shut down normally.
[Edit] [Catch-up]
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
12 Aug 2003 07:04:08 AM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_DSdnc-k04oVi6miXTWJkw@comcast.com...
"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote
On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to
download over 120,000 headers, and can't let the computer
shut down normally.
[Edit] [Catch-up]
a.. To mark all messages in a selected newsgroup as read, including messages
not yet downloaded, select the newsgroup in the Folders list. On the Edit
menu, click Catch Up.
This is handy, for example, when you return from vacation and don't want to
download all unread messages, but want to start reading the current ones.
Note: This is from the help file. I can't tell what is meant by "current
ones". The problem is that OE freezes when trying to load the folder and
you never get a chance to use the Catch Up command.
Like the thread heading says, the problem is with the earthlink servers,
not the outlook express. It is irresponsible for Earthlink to leave more
stuff on the servers than can be handled by their patrons' newsreaders.
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
10 Aug 2003 04:03:07 PM |
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"Ike Milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On
both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server
still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way
back
<snip>
Thanks to all who made suggestions. The point is that earthlink is negligent
if they allow this situation to continue. Ther is no need to make if
difficult for people to participate in alt.atheism unless earthlink has an
ideological axe to grind and is doing so deliberately. I don't believe in
accidents.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 08:43:17 AM |
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Ike Milligan wrote:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way back
to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the correspondence with Earthlink tech
support having removed the identifying material to avoid embarassing the
technician.
Huh....I'm using mozilla for news, it prompts for how many headers I
want to download if it's more than a set number (default=500, I have it
set to 2000).
Sounds like your issue is with MS, not Earthlink.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 05:14:27 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:43:17 -0700, J Forbes wrote:
Ike Milligan wrote:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On
both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over
120,000 headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old
server still works fine as the messages are only archive back a few
weeks and contain about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages
going all the way back to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the
correspondence with Earthlink tech support having removed the
identifying material to avoid embarassing the technician.
Huh....I'm using mozilla for news, it prompts for how many headers I want
to download if it's more than a set number (default=500, I have it set to
2000).
Sounds like your issue is with MS, not Earthlink.
Yeah. First thing to do is get a real newsreader...
Or at least *anything* that's not MS....
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 06:37:16 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:14:27 -0700, J Forbes wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:43:17 -0700, J Forbes wrote:
Ike Milligan wrote:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On
both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over
120,000 headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old
server still works fine as the messages are only archive back a few
weeks and contain about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages
going all the way back to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the
correspondence with Earthlink tech support having removed the
identifying material to avoid embarassing the technician.
Huh....I'm using mozilla for news, it prompts for how many headers I
want to download if it's more than a set number (default=500, I have it
set to 2000).
Sounds like your issue is with MS, not Earthlink.
Yeah. First thing to do is get a real newsreader...
Or at least *anything* that's not MS....
I thought I said that...
<heh>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 09:15:19 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:10:23 -0400, "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet. On both
servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over 120,000
headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The old server still
works fine as the messages are only archive back a few weeks and contain
about 11,000 messages. The new servers have messages going all the way back
to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the correspondence with Earthlink tech
support having removed the identifying material to avoid embarassing the
technician.
The problem is not the one that you are trying to help solve. The problem
is different. Due to the fact that there are over 120,000 headers in
alt.atheism, outlook express downloads many of them and then freezese when i
use the new news servers.Ths problem does not occur with the old mindspring
server as it only contains headers and messages going back a few weeks. The
new news servers have messages on them in that NG going back to April.
Download Forte', "Free Agent" - one version is free, works without
error, and doesn't have the type of problems described.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "Arjen Klaver" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 02:31:42 PM |
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at news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet.
On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over
120,000 headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The
old server still works fine as the messages are only archive back a
few weeks and contain about 11,000 messages. The new servers have
messages going all the way back to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the
correspondence with Earthlink tech support having removed the
identifying material to avoid embarassing the technician.
The problem is not the one that you are trying to help solve. The
problem is different. Due to the fact that there are over 120,000
headers in alt.atheism, outlook express downloads many of them and
then freezese when i use the new news servers.Ths problem does not
occur with the old mindspring server as it only contains headers and
messages going back a few weeks. The new news servers have messages on
them in that NG going back to April. ----- Original Message -----
From: <service@earthlink.net>
To: "Ike Milligan" <snipped>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, <snipped>
Subject: Re: Other - (KMM000000)
I think outlook can not handle 1.500.000 headers at once ;-). I suggest to
find a option in outlook to say that you already have read the first
1508173 posts in the newsgroup. Maybe it is called catch-up, maybe
something else. I'm sorry but I do not have outlook on my pc.
So my hint is: thinker some with the settings of outlook.
- Catchup?
- Less then x days old?
- header maximum?
- .....
I hope that this helped something
Greetings,
Arjen KLlaver
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
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| User: "Ike Milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 04:18:44 PM |
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"Arjen Klaver" <chips@stack.nl> wrote in message
news:Xns93D1DB01D663Dchipsstacknl@212.64.53.132...
at news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for usenet.
On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to download over
120,000 headers, and can't let the computer shut down normally. The
old server still works fine as the messages are only archive back a
few weeks and contain about 11,000 messages. The new servers have
messages going all the way back to April 2003 B.C. I have pasted the
correspondence with Earthlink tech support having removed the
identifying material to avoid embarassing the technician.
The problem is not the one that you are trying to help solve. The
problem is different. Due to the fact that there are over 120,000
headers in alt.atheism, outlook express downloads many of them and
then freezese when i use the new news servers.Ths problem does not
occur with the old mindspring server as it only contains headers and
messages going back a few weeks. The new news servers have messages on
them in that NG going back to April. ----- Original Message -----
From: <service@earthlink.net>
To: "Ike Milligan" <snipped>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, <snipped>
Subject: Re: Other - (KMM000000)
I think outlook can not handle 1.500.000 headers at once ;-). I suggest to
find a option in outlook to say that you already have read the first
1508173 posts in the newsgroup. Maybe it is called catch-up, maybe
something else. I'm sorry but I do not have outlook on my pc.
So my hint is: thinker some with the settings of outlook.
- Catchup?
- Less then x days old?
- header maximum?
- .....
I hope that this helped something
Greetings,
Arjen KLlaver
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
What freeware I need some!
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 05:17:11 PM |
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Ike Milligan wrote:
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
What freeware I need some!
mozilla is freeware...there are others too I imagine? but mozilla is a
big download.
http://mozilla.org/
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Dr. Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
08 Aug 2003 07:12:23 PM |
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J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm> wrote in
news:bh17fi$vh3$3@slb6.atl.mindspring.net:
Ike Milligan wrote:
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
What freeware I need some!
mozilla is freeware...there are others too I imagine? but mozilla is a
big download.
http://mozilla.org/
(singing)
XNews, XNews, roly-poly XNews
XNews, XNews, download it, yum!
(/singing)
http://xnews.3dnews.net/
Free, easy to use. Slight learning curve since it's different from
LOOKOUT!!! Express, but worth it if only for the powerful filtering it has.
The only real complaint I have is the manual; the links it references for
info about using the filters (using regular expressions or RegExp) are
broken, and the manual itself is kind of sparse on some important things.
There are several other readers (Forte Agent comes to mind), but I've never
tried them. I'm biased ;)
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 01:45:05 PM |
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And it came to pass that "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> did write in alt.atheism,
news:Xns93D1C5413D3Faskifyouwantit@65.82.44.187:
J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm> wrote in
news:bh17fi$vh3$3@slb6.atl.mindspring.net:
Ike Milligan wrote:
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
What freeware I need some!
mozilla is freeware...there are others too I imagine? but mozilla is
a big download.
http://mozilla.org/
(singing)
XNews, XNews, roly-poly XNews
XNews, XNews, download it, yum!
(/singing)
What excellent taste you have sir!
http://xnews.3dnews.net/
XNews has moved from that site. Try:
http://Xnews.newsguy.com
Free, easy to use. Slight learning curve since it's different from
LOOKOUT!!! Express, but worth it if only for the powerful filtering it
has. The only real complaint I have is the manual; the links it
references for info about using the filters (using regular expressions
or RegExp) are broken, and the manual itself is kind of sparse on some
important things.
Think of it as a learning experience!
There are several other readers (Forte Agent comes to mind), but I've
never tried them. I'm biased ;)
I tried Free Agent, and it was quite good, but I had a problem where it
would just fatally crash after a while. Reinstalling it didn't help, so I
tried XNews.
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Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 02:05:06 PM |
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Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
I tried Free Agent, and it was quite good, but I had a problem where it
would just fatally crash after a while. Reinstalling it didn't help, so I
tried XNews.
I will just mention one word and one wibble page and then leave you to
it.
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
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Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"A scholar who cherishes the love of comfort is not fit to be deemed a
scholar."
-- Lao-Tzu (570?-490? BC)
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 02:05:59 PM |
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And it came to pass that Ichimusai <ichi@ichimusai.org> did write in
alt.atheism, news:m3wudm4pp9.fsf@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
I tried Free Agent, and it was quite good, but I had a problem where
it would just fatally crash after a while. Reinstalling it didn't
help, so I tried XNews.
I will just mention one word and one wibble page and then leave you to
it.
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
Looks good. Unfortunately, a test of it will have to wait until I get a
Linux box. Or install cygwin on this Windohs machine.
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 02:34:27 PM |
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Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
Looks good. Unfortunately, a test of it will have to wait until I get a
Linux box. Or install cygwin on this Windohs machine.
Why? It runs fine under BillOS and any other OS I have tried, that
includes obscure variants of HP-UX, Irix and Solaris not to mention
BillOS 95, 98, NT4, 2000 and XP :)
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
Nullo metro compositum est
It doesn't rhyme.
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 03:03:14 PM |
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And it came to pass that Ichimusai <ichi@ichimusai.org> did write in
alt.atheism, news:m3isp64occ.fsf@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
Looks good. Unfortunately, a test of it will have to wait until I get
a Linux box. Or install cygwin on this Windohs machine.
Why? It runs fine under BillOS and any other OS I have tried, that
includes obscure variants of HP-UX, Irix and Solaris not to mention
BillOS 95, 98, NT4, 2000 and XP :)
My misunderstanding :-) I had a quick look at the FAQ, and it seemed to
imply you needed an emulator, but that's not case (although you can run
it through one). I'll give it a try.
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 03:29:55 PM |
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On 9 Aug 2003 20:03:14 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
And it came to pass that Ichimusai <ichi@ichimusai.org> did write in
alt.atheism, news:m3isp64occ.fsf@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
Looks good. Unfortunately, a test of it will have to wait until I get
a Linux box. Or install cygwin on this Windohs machine.
Why? It runs fine under BillOS and any other OS I have tried, that
includes obscure variants of HP-UX, Irix and Solaris not to mention
BillOS 95, 98, NT4, 2000 and XP :)
My misunderstanding :-) I had a quick look at the FAQ, and it seemed to
imply you needed an emulator, but that's not case (although you can run
it through one). I'll give it a try.
Let us know how it goes. I want something with killfile capalities
like the original rn. Even agent doesn't.
And you can even edit rn's .newsrc file to make it think you've seen
all but the last eg 1000 messages when your ISP switches to another
server.
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 05:14:39 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> writes:
[...]
Let us know how it goes. I want something with killfile capalities
like the original rn. Even agent doesn't.
Gnus uses both kill files and score files. The scoring is adaptive,
when you read a thread and you decide to "kill" it because it is
uninteresting, it gets down scored. Next time you enter the group the
threads are sorted in order of score. Threads you write and read a lot
in are scored higher than the others. People you do not like you
instantly assign a score of -10000 or so and they end up under the
read mark which means their posts are already marked read when you
enter a group.
Unless they reply to you directly. If they do they get through since
Gnus scores replies to your posts higher than anything else. In that
case you may want to killfile them to make sure they never bother you
again.
All this can be easily changed to something else or not used at all or
only partially.
And you can even edit rn's .newsrc file to make it think you've seen
all but the last eg 1000 messages when your ISP switches to another
server.
Upon entering a group you can tell it "display only the n last
messages" independently of how many read/unread you have there.
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Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Ask her to wait a moment - I am almost done."
-- Carl Friedrich Gauss (1777-1855), while working, when informed that
his wife is dying
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| User: "Ichimusai" |
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09 Aug 2003 05:11:00 PM |
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Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
And it came to pass that Ichimusai <ichi@ichimusai.org> did write in
alt.atheism, news:m3isp64occ.fsf@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
Gnus
www.gnus.org
:-D
Looks good. Unfortunately, a test of it will have to wait until I get
a Linux box. Or install cygwin on this Windohs machine.
Why? It runs fine under BillOS and any other OS I have tried, that
includes obscure variants of HP-UX, Irix and Solaris not to mention
BillOS 95, 98, NT4, 2000 and XP :)
My misunderstanding :-) I had a quick look at the FAQ, and it seemed to
imply you needed an emulator, but that's not case (although you can run
it through one). I'll give it a try.
Naah, all it needs is an Emacs and a willing subject not too afraid to
loose his senses :)
I even had MEow using it for a while. I don't think she found it too
awkward...
And if you want examples of configuration check out my webpage
http://ichimusai.org/emacs especially for the .emacs and .gnus files
there, you can use them to get a quick heads up start, of course you
need to go through them and remove anything referring to something you
do not have installed or change server settings etc.
--
Ichimusai - Tolerated by two cats. ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai
IRC: Ichimusai#AmigaSWE@IRCnet URI: http://www.ichimusai.org/
"Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech."
-- Martin Fraquhar Tupper
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| User: "Dr. Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Problem with new Earthlink servers and alt.atheism |
09 Aug 2003 04:36:41 PM |
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Ichimusai <ichi@ichimusai.org> wrote in
news:m3wudm4pp9.fsf@h130n1fls31o965.telia.com:
Walking on Glass <walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> writes:
I tried Free Agent, and it was quite good, but I had a problem where
it would just fatally crash after a while. Reinstalling it didn't
help, so I tried XNews.
I will just mention one word and one wibble page and then leave you to
it.
Gnus
www.gnus.org
What, no song?! No theatrics?!
*pout*
I know nothing of Gnus, so I won't try to sing about it ;)
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Aug 2003 10:53:25 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:25:17 GMT, "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindsproing.cop> posted in alt.atheism:
suggestion though. I think Free Agent used to be freeware or shareware, but
everyone has to try harder to make a $ these days, what with tax cuts for
the wealthy and all. Once I get wealthier I can get a tax cut too!
Agent is still $29. Free Agent is still free. (It's the same program
- if you don't register it, you don't get the full version features.)
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"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
&
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Rogers)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Arjen Klaver" |
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09 Aug 2003 10:17:41 AM |
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at news:bh14fe$25l$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:bh14fe$25l$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net:
"Arjen Klaver" <chips@stack.nl> wrote in message
news:Xns93D1DB01D663Dchipsstacknl@212.64.53.132...
at news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net "Ike Milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:bh0407$74o$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net:
Earthlink has advised all customers to use 2 new servers for
usenet. On both servers Outlook Express freezes when trying to
.... <snip>
P.S. If all else fails, there is always excellent freeware!
What freeware I need some!
On a windows system:
1) Free agent, google it if you want this one, many people use it, so it
must be good, but it is lacking in options. No kill file?, no filters?
2) Mozilla mail (There is one slight problem with this program at this
moment. First there was the mozilla suite, with a browser, mail client,
newsgroup client, chat client and a HTML composer all rolled into one
program. People found the mozilla suite slow. That's why they splitted it
into parts: firebird (browser) and thunderbird (mail). The mail client is
only at version 0.1. Maybe it is stable, maybe it is not. I still use the
big suite at home for my mail and internet browser. http://www.mozilla.org/
3) Xnews, this one I use so I think this one is the best. Everything is in
it, but there are so many options, that at first it is a bit difficult.
http://xnews.newsguy.com/
4) Many others probably
Greetings,
Arjen Klaver
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