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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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21 Mar 2007 07:34:38 PM |
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"Proof" Bush is Oppressed by Partisan Democrats!!!! |
.... Or it would be if you're a paranoid NeoCon liar who sucks Bush's
*****.
Hmm... I wonder if anyone here fits that mold?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/21/bob-barr-the-department-of-justice-is-being-used-as-a-political-football-by-the-administration/
Bob Barr: "the Department of Justice is being used as a political
football by the administration"
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3222 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "Proof" Bush is Oppressed by Partisan Democrats!!!! |
21 Mar 2007 07:44:57 PM |
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On Mar 21, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
Yang, I just posted a post, the contents of which are:
Re: white-pride racist Charles Darwin on crossing of "two races, both
low in the scale"
On Mar 21, 1:29 am, wrote in "Re: How White-Pride
Christians Like Daivd Ford Supported Slavery":
On Mar 20, 7:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted David Ford Christian Morality
Had to change the subject in abject fear yet again, I see. Continue
panicking :)
I myself panic when a perhaps-panicked Yang changes the subject line.
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1883 Darwin: "When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the
progeny seems to be eminently bad."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136399794.077073.47030%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the
Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1864 Huxley on lower and higher races, and the Aryan
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142351559.965395.318780%40v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
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| Title: atheist Huxley talks about "the Aryan" and "the negro" |
22 Mar 2007 02:18:55 PM |
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On Mar 21, 9:28 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote in Re: White Pride Christian David Ford And His KKK Christian
Theology:
On 21 Mar 2007 17:44:57 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 21, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
Yang, I just posted a post, the contents of which are:
Re: white-pride racist Charles Darwin on crossing of "two races, both
low in the scale"
Too bad you are full of *****:
Unlike your Christian Southern Baptists, Darwin was against Slavery
"Darwin was against Slavery" on what grounds?
OTOH:
http://www.kkk.bz/howtoget.htm
"We emphasize ONE requirement for every person who decides to
associate with The Knights, and that is that they conduct themselves
with CHRISTIAN character. We want our Klansmen and Klanswomen to live
their lives as honorable, decent, dignified WHITE people."
from
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/comm/Books/Taylor.html
Professor Huxley on the Negro Question
Ladies London Emancipation Society 1864
Mrs. P. A. Taylor
[3] The following extracts have been selected as
bearing especial reference to the Negro, from the
Reader's report of the last two lectures given by
Professor Huxley, on "The Structure and
Classification of the Mammalia," delivered at the
Royal College of Surgeons.
In the eighth lecture, on Feb. 18th, Professor
Huxley commenced a sketch of the principal
variations in form and proportion which are met with
in the human body under the different
circumstances which have given rise to the various
races of men. This interesting and fertile subject,
he observed, has unfortunately been cultivated
hitherto to a very small extent, and with very little of
the precision which its importance demands. From
the best series of the measurements of skeletons of
the two races extant, that made by Dr. Humphry, it
appears that the average height of the negro is less
than that of the European; the arms are
proportionately longer, particularly the fore-arm and
hand, and, in the lower extremity, while the femur
retains nearly the same relative length as in the
European, the tibia and foot are considerably
increased. In these deviations from the European
standard, the Australian and other low races agree
with the negro. There is no real evidence to show
[4] that the hallux, or great toe, is differently
constructed, or more movable, among the lower
than the higher races of men, though in the latter
the practice of wearing tight and hard shoes rarely
allows its proper development. The alleged
uniformly greater flatness of foot, and increased
length of heel of the negro, are equally hypothetical.
The modifications of the colour of the skin in
different races are well known; we speak of white or
black people, but in reality there are various shades
of brown, darker or lighter; a true black skin,
according to Professor Huxley's observations,
scarcely exists. In the character as well as the
colour of the hair, men vary much. The transverse
section of the hair of certain races is flattened, in
others it is oval, and, again, in others it is nearly
circular. It has been asserted, but not on sufficient
evidence, that the first form is characteristic of the
negro, the second of the Aryan, and the third of the
Mongolian races. In some hair of the first form, the
long axis of the diameter gradually changes its
position in the length of the hair, causing a crisp
curl, or spiral twist.
In the ninth lecture, on Feb. 20th, Professor Huxley
continued the description of the principal variations
of the human structure. It was first shown that the
position of the occipital foramen, and of the
condyles by which the skull rests upon the first
vertebrae of the neck, varies greatly both in
individuals and races; but as a general rule they are
placed further back in the lower than the higher
races.
==
There seems to be no relation between the
projection of this lobe and the position of the
individual in the scale of human beings; on the
whole, it seems as great, or greater among the
lower than in the higher races.
==
A considerable range may be observed in the
complexity of the convolutions in different brains.
On the whole, the convolutions in the lower have a
greater simplicity and symmetry than in the higher
races.
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1938 Shull: "Admixture of white blood is...related to
professional...success of the Negro."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142222711.810377.220200%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Huxley on The Aryan Question
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141703715.940457.279720%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Di Gregorio, Mario A. _T. H. Huxley's Place in Natural Science_ (New
Haven: Yale University Press), 253pp. On 183:
In other words, it is racist to introduce value
judgments into zoological surveys of physical
differences detectable in mankind. In that sense of
the word, with the possible exception of J. S. Mill,
nearly everyone whose voice was heard on race
and nation during the nineteenth century was racist
and nationalistic. That was partly because of
confusion between the concept of _race_ and the
highly abstract and scientifically indefinable concept
of _nation_. Anthropology and ethnology were
constantly entangled with nationalism, exacerbating
the degree to which value judgment became part of
science.
[Di Gregorio]"confusion between the concept of _race_ and the...
concept of _nation_"
Compare:
Jackel, Eberhard. 1969, 1972, 1981. _Hitler's World View: A
Blueprint
for Power_, translated from the German by Herbert Arnold (Cambridge,
MA: Harvard University Press), 140pp. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674404254/sr=1-1/qid=1137613851/ref=sr_1_1/102-9779996-9934505?
On 88:
Hitler used "people" and "race," as
well as "tribe," "kindred," and
"nation," as virtually synonymous
terms.
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Luminoso" |
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| Title: Re: atheist Huxley talks about "the Aryan" and "the negro" |
22 Mar 2007 05:33:46 PM |
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On 22 Mar 2007 12:18:55 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 21, 9:28 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote in Re: White Pride Christian David Ford And His KKK Christian
Theology:
On 21 Mar 2007 17:44:57 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 21, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
Yang, I just posted a post, the contents of which are:
Re: white-pride racist Charles Darwin on crossing of "two races, both
low in the scale"
Too bad you are full of *****:
Unlike your Christian Southern Baptists, Darwin was against Slavery
"Darwin was against Slavery" on what grounds?
OTOH:
http://www.kkk.bz/howtoget.htm
"We emphasize ONE requirement for every person who decides to
associate with The Knights, and that is that they conduct themselves
with CHRISTIAN character. We want our Klansmen and Klanswomen to live
their lives as honorable, decent, dignified WHITE people."
from
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/comm/Books/Taylor.html
Professor Huxley on the Negro Question
Ladies London Emancipation Society 1864
Mrs. P. A. Taylor
[3] The following extracts have been selected as
bearing especial reference to the Negro, from the
Reader's report of the last two lectures given by
Professor Huxley, on "The Structure and
Classification of the Mammalia," delivered at the
Royal College of Surgeons.
In the eighth lecture, on Feb. 18th, Professor
Huxley commenced a sketch of the principal
variations in form and proportion which are met with
in the human body under the different
circumstances which have given rise to the various
races of men. This interesting and fertile subject,
he observed, has unfortunately been cultivated
hitherto to a very small extent, and with very little of
the precision which its importance demands. From
the best series of the measurements of skeletons of
the two races extant, that made by Dr. Humphry, it
appears that the average height of the negro is less
than that of the European; the arms are
proportionately longer, particularly the fore-arm and
hand, and, in the lower extremity, while the femur
retains nearly the same relative length as in the
European, the tibia and foot are considerably
increased. In these deviations from the European
standard, the Australian and other low races agree
with the negro. There is no real evidence to show
[4] that the hallux, or great toe, is differently
constructed, or more movable, among the lower
than the higher races of men, though in the latter
the practice of wearing tight and hard shoes rarely
allows its proper development. The alleged
uniformly greater flatness of foot, and increased
length of heel of the negro, are equally hypothetical.
The modifications of the colour of the skin in
different races are well known; we speak of white or
black people, but in reality there are various shades
of brown, darker or lighter; a true black skin,
according to Professor Huxley's observations,
scarcely exists. In the character as well as the
colour of the hair, men vary much. The transverse
section of the hair of certain races is flattened, in
others it is oval, and, again, in others it is nearly
circular. It has been asserted, but not on sufficient
evidence, that the first form is characteristic of the
negro, the second of the Aryan, and the third of the
Mongolian races. In some hair of the first form, the
long axis of the diameter gradually changes its
position in the length of the hair, causing a crisp
curl, or spiral twist.
In the ninth lecture, on Feb. 20th, Professor Huxley
continued the description of the principal variations
of the human structure. It was first shown that the
position of the occipital foramen, and of the
condyles by which the skull rests upon the first
vertebrae of the neck, varies greatly both in
individuals and races; but as a general rule they are
placed further back in the lower than the higher
races.
==
There seems to be no relation between the
projection of this lobe and the position of the
individual in the scale of human beings; on the
whole, it seems as great, or greater among the
lower than in the higher races.
==
A considerable range may be observed in the
complexity of the convolutions in different brains.
On the whole, the convolutions in the lower have a
greater simplicity and symmetry than in the higher
races.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1938 Shull: "Admixture of white blood is...related to
professional...success of the Negro."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142222711.810377.220200%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Huxley on The Aryan Question
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141703715.940457.279720%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Di Gregorio, Mario A. _T. H. Huxley's Place in Natural Science_ (New
Haven: Yale University Press), 253pp. On 183:
In other words, it is racist to introduce value
judgments into zoological surveys of physical
differences detectable in mankind. In that sense of
the word, with the possible exception of J. S. Mill,
nearly everyone whose voice was heard on race
and nation during the nineteenth century was racist
and nationalistic. That was partly because of
confusion between the concept of _race_ and the
highly abstract and scientifically indefinable concept
of _nation_. Anthropology and ethnology were
constantly entangled with nationalism, exacerbating
the degree to which value judgment became part of
science.
[Di Gregorio]"confusion between the concept of _race_ and the...
concept of _nation_"
Compare:
Jackel, Eberhard. 1969, 1972, 1981. _Hitler's World View: A
Blueprint
for Power_, translated from the German by Herbert Arnold (Cambridge,
MA: Harvard University Press), 140pp. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674404254/sr=1-1/qid=1137613851/ref=sr_1_1/102-9779996-9934505?
On 88:
Hitler used "people" and "race," as
well as "tribe," "kindred," and
"nation," as virtually synonymous
terms.
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1864 ???
You quoted a speech from 1864 ???!!!
Scientific types had barely gotten the notion of
evolution through their heads back then - much less
had time to study the issues in detail or shed the
biases with which they viewed the information they
did have. Huxley was a very smart man, but he was
still a product of his century.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: atheist Huxley talks about "the Aryan" and "the negro" |
23 Mar 2007 12:54:18 PM |
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On Mar 22, 6:33 pm, (Luminoso) wrote:
1864 ???
You quoted a speech from 1864 ???!!!
Yes. The 1853 atheism-adherent Haeckel below is even older.
Gasman, Daniel. 1971. _The Scientific Origins of National Socialism:
Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League_,
200+pp. At
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Gasman.htm
47. Haeckel, _The Riddle of the Universe_, p. 328. Even as
a young student Haeckel showed strong anti-Jewish
feelings. He gleefully wrote to his parents from Wurzburg
in 1853 that an 'insolent Jew boy' a 'disgusting insolent'
person was injured in a duel. He wrote that his 'very nice'
gentile friends 'slashed his Jewish face about
handsomely, without receiving even a scratch in return.'
See Haeckel, _The Story of the Development of a Youth_,
p. 83. The popularity of Haeckel's anti-Semitism is also
revealed by an incident related to me by a friend, Mr.
Adolph Nussenow of New York. He recalls that when he
was a student in Leipzig during the period of the Kapp
_Putsch_ (1920), he would frequently find anti-Semitic
slogans by Haeckel on stickers which were attached to
his desk.
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Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In _Descent of Man_, Darwin had much high praise for Haeckel. E.g.:
Darwin praise for Rolle, T.H. Huxley, Buchner, & Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134766736.390460.205460%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Scientific types had barely gotten the notion of
evolution through their heads back then - much less
had time to study the issues in detail or shed the
biases with which they viewed the information they
did have.
Meaning of "evolution"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individual.net
Huxley was a very smart man, but he was
still a product of his century.
Do you think T.H. Huxley was a racist?
Do you think Darwin was a racist?
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Darwin: big "supra-orbital ridges... characteristic of the lower races
of man"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1137443730.121635.125640%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1883 Darwin: "When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the
progeny seems to be eminently bad."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136399794.077073.47030%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Luminoso" |
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| Title: Re: atheist Huxley talks about "the Aryan" and "the negro" |
23 Mar 2007 04:06:07 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2007 10:54:18 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 22, 6:33 pm, (Luminoso) wrote:
1864 ???
You quoted a speech from 1864 ???!!!
Yes. The 1853 atheism-adherent Haeckel below is even older.
Gasman, Daniel. 1971. _The Scientific Origins of National Socialism:
Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League_,
200+pp. At
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Gasman.htm
47. Haeckel, _The Riddle of the Universe_, p. 328. Even as
a young student Haeckel showed strong anti-Jewish
feelings. He gleefully wrote to his parents from Wurzburg
in 1853 that an 'insolent Jew boy' a 'disgusting insolent'
person was injured in a duel. He wrote that his 'very nice'
gentile friends 'slashed his Jewish face about
handsomely, without receiving even a scratch in return.'
See Haeckel, _The Story of the Development of a Youth_,
p. 83. The popularity of Haeckel's anti-Semitism is also
revealed by an incident related to me by a friend, Mr.
Adolph Nussenow of New York. He recalls that when he
was a student in Leipzig during the period of the Kapp
_Putsch_ (1920), he would frequently find anti-Semitic
slogans by Haeckel on stickers which were attached to
his desk.
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Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In _Descent of Man_, Darwin had much high praise for Haeckel. E.g.:
Darwin praise for Rolle, T.H. Huxley, Buchner, & Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134766736.390460.205460%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Scientific types had barely gotten the notion of
evolution through their heads back then - much less
had time to study the issues in detail or shed the
biases with which they viewed the information they
did have.
Meaning of "evolution"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-386md9F5lsv5cU1%40individual.net
Huxley was a very smart man, but he was
still a product of his century.
Do you think T.H. Huxley was a racist?
Do you think Darwin was a racist?
Yep. Absolutely. It was how most people saw the world
back then. Euro was divine and everyone else was one
step away from being a monkey - which, conveniently,
made it a-OK to exploit or exterminate them.
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