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27 Jul 2006 01:40:39 PM |
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Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
31 Jul 2006 05:30:18 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 16:48:02 -0500, "Fred Liken"
<nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
<44ce7a3b$0$991$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1154043657.718556.279830@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory which explains
the fact of evolution.
Evolution isn't a theory.
But the ToE is.
But I'll be delighted to formally debate this with you right here in
this public world-wide forum if you can support your case.
I'm not sure you're the one that should be doing the debating. Perhaps you
should allow someone more versed?
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| User: "" |
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27 Jul 2006 07:26:32 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory which explains
the fact of evolution. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.
But I'll be delighted to formally debate this with you right here in
this public world-wide forum if you can support your case.
Please do begin by demonstrating how there was no racism whatsover
before 1859. Alternately, please do show me where, in the Theory of
Evolution, the sole purpose of which is to explain the distribution and
diversity of life on Earth there is any incitement whatsoever to murder
*anyone*.
I'm waiitng.
How long do you think we should let him wait?
Pray hard for me rev'rend, for I am sorely tempted.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
28 Jul 2006 08:46:01 AM |
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wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory which explains
the fact of evolution. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.
But I'll be delighted to formally debate this with you right here in
this public world-wide forum if you can support your case.
Please do begin by demonstrating how there was no racism whatsover
before 1859. Alternately, please do show me where, in the Theory of
Evolution, the sole purpose of which is to explain the distribution and
diversity of life on Earth there is any incitement whatsoever to murder
*anyone*.
I'm waiitng.
How long do you think we should let him wait?
Pray hard for me rev'rend, for I am sorely tempted.
The pathetic cowardice of the theists has once again been recorded by
Google for the amusement of generations.
Budikka
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
31 Jul 2006 04:52:03 PM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote
The pathetic cowardice of the theists has once again been recorded by
Google for the amusement of generations.
You don't have to be a theist to understand that Natural Select pretty much
necessitates differences between races at the highest groupings.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
03 Aug 2006 02:24:54 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 16:52:03 -0500, in talk.origins , "Fred Liken"
<nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> in
<44ce7af1$0$1073$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote
The pathetic cowardice of the theists has once again been recorded by
Google for the amusement of generations.
You don't have to be a theist to understand that Natural Select pretty much
necessitates differences between races at the highest groupings.
What do you have to be? A troll or a bigot?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
10 Aug 2006 12:08:01 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:obj4d25dl3eac5vhla1f42tlrvko7npbts@4ax.com...
The pathetic cowardice of the theists has once again been recorded by
Google for the amusement of generations.
You don't have to be a theist to understand that Natural Select pretty
much
necessitates differences between races at the highest groupings.
What do you have to be? A troll or a bigot?
Why do you have to be either to know there's differences between races?
MAn, you're a fool.
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| User: "" |
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28 Jul 2006 10:31:59 AM |
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Budikka wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory which explains
the fact of evolution. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.
But I'll be delighted to formally debate this with you right here in
this public world-wide forum if you can support your case.
Please do begin by demonstrating how there was no racism whatsover
before 1859. Alternately, please do show me where, in the Theory of
Evolution, the sole purpose of which is to explain the distribution and
diversity of life on Earth there is any incitement whatsoever to murder
*anyone*.
I'm waiitng.
How long do you think we should let him wait?
Pray hard for me rev'rend, for I am sorely tempted.
The pathetic cowardice of the theists has once again been recorded by
Google for the amusement of generations.
Well, I will say this about Loki. His visits provide delightfully
ironic
entertainment. For example, we have here the instructive case of
the brave atheist, who seems to believe:
(1) in the existence of an imaginary theist
(2) based purely on text evidence of dubious provenance
(3) in spite of widespread doubt in the existence of the theist
He demands that the theist show himself. The theist does not, yet
(4) he takes this as further evidence in the existence of the theist
and in fact as evidence of:
(5) a cardinal theistological property - cowardice.
(6) ***Yet the purported original text of the imaginary theist never
mentioned theism or god in any way.***
It is not just entertaining, it is downright spooky.
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| User: "Gospel Bretts" |
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27 Jul 2006 07:46:48 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 17:26:32 -0700, wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory which explains
the fact of evolution. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.
But I'll be delighted to formally debate this with you right here in
this public world-wide forum if you can support your case.
Please do begin by demonstrating how there was no racism whatsover
before 1859. Alternately, please do show me where, in the Theory of
Evolution, the sole purpose of which is to explain the distribution and
diversity of life on Earth there is any incitement whatsoever to murder
*anyone*.
I'm waiitng.
How long do you think we should let him wait?
Pray hard for me rev'rend, for I am sorely tempted.
I'm still praying for you. Hold tight. :)
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Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
28 Jul 2006 10:02:53 AM |
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wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
This story has been well and truly debunked, but what if it
were true (except the ACLU part, which is impossible)?
So what? Would it prove anything except how sleazy lawyers
can be?
On this topic, has anyone compiled a list of reasons that
juries have found to NOT convict whites of crimes against
blacks over the years? I'm sure there are things on the list
that would make this look reasonable.
-jc
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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30 Jul 2006 04:01:54 PM |
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"Dr.GH" <garyhard@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:1154122686.607837.317870@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1154114076.818041.290270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Desertphile wrote:
jcon wrote:
hiya_snex@yahoo.com wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species,
there was a little-known and little-discussed trial in the
state of Kansas. A man named Bill Suttonhof was accused of
murdering three African slave girls. Since slavery was still
legal at the time, however, it was treated as a Destruction of
Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied
a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed
that since evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be
held responsible for helping further it along. Suttonhof was
acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is
almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason by
the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how
they want society run.
This story has been well and truly debunked, but what if it
were true (except the ACLU part, which is impossible)?
So what? Would it prove anything except how sleazy lawyers
can be?
On this topic, has anyone compiled a list of reasons that
juries have found to NOT convict whites of crimes against
blacks over the years? I'm sure there are things on the list
that would make this look reasonable.
That's right. The Orenthal "OJ" Simpson double-murder trial is an
excellent example.
That proved that society has progress to the point where
when it comes down to race or money, money wins.
Ah, no. It demonstrated a long known trait in southern California,
especially the Los Angeles area: Hollywood celebrities are America's
royalty, and can commit no wrong. TV and movie starts cannot be
convicted of any crime.
Plus, the prosecutor was a retard, which never helps their case.
No, it showed that this time the LAPD failed to frame a (probably)
guilty party.
You're a fucking retard. Marsh Clark was a fucking retard. You should ask
her out.
Nothing more can be deduced from any public information. Only a retard
would think it could.
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Terry Austin
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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30 Jul 2006 04:03:05 PM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:sjalc2dn79r8oj5573jsh3jpndo9kg8677@4ax.com:
On 28 Jul 2006 14:38:06 -0700, "Dr.GH" <garyhard@earthlink.net> wrote:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1154114076.818041.290270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Desertphile wrote:
jcon wrote:
hiya_snex@yahoo.com wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species,
there was a little-known and little-discussed trial in the
state of Kansas. A man named Bill Suttonhof was accused of
murdering three African slave girls. Since slavery was still
legal at the time, however, it was treated as a Destruction
of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied
a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed
that since evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be
held responsible for helping further it along. Suttonhof was
acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is
almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason by
the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how
they want society run.
This story has been well and truly debunked, but what if it
were true (except the ACLU part, which is impossible)?
So what? Would it prove anything except how sleazy lawyers
can be?
On this topic, has anyone compiled a list of reasons that
juries have found to NOT convict whites of crimes against
blacks over the years? I'm sure there are things on the list
that would make this look reasonable.
That's right. The Orenthal "OJ" Simpson double-murder trial is an
excellent example.
That proved that society has progress to the point where
when it comes down to race or money, money wins.
Ah, no. It demonstrated a long known trait in southern California,
especially the Los Angeles area: Hollywood celebrities are America's
royalty, and can commit no wrong. TV and movie starts cannot be
convicted of any crime.
Plus, the prosecutor was a retard, which never helps their case.
No, it showed that this time the LAPD failed to frame a (probably)
guilty party.
I recall a couple of the jurors saying, after the whole fiasco was
over, that they believed Simpson was probably guilty, but felt that
Mark Fuhrman's actions left them with no choice but to acquit.
Indeed. Every single piece of evidence the jury saw was tainted by perjury
by either Fuhrman or the other guy (who also pleaded guilty to avoid
prosecution). Clark had other evidence that was not tainted, but chose not
to present it to the jury. In short, the prosecutor was an idiot.
--
Terry Austin
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| User: "wf3h" |
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29 Jul 2006 03:32:22 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
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| User: "" |
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29 Jul 2006 03:48:15 PM |
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wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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29 Jul 2006 07:57:05 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
Golly, I must have missed that: who here has blamed slavery on
Christianity?
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| User: "" |
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29 Jul 2006 09:15:35 PM |
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Desertphile wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
Golly, I must have missed that: who here has blamed slavery on
Christianity?
wf3h and CreateThis. Oh, if it is your intention to quibble that they
didn't put the sole blame on Christianity, or that they only blamed
Christianity for African slavery in the American South, then I concede
the point in advance.
Conspiracy of Doves, on the other hand, was apparently capable
of reading the title line of the thread. He blamed Christianity for
racism, which may still be stupid, but at least is responsive to the
OP, in a sense.
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| User: "wf3h" |
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29 Jul 2006 07:58:18 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
because it shows that evolution was not to blame for slavery, as was,
indeed, his intention. again, it's a standard creationist
claim...xtianity was perfect, you know, until those evil evolutionists
came along and invented naziism, slavery, genocide, and ingrown
toenails...
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| User: "John Baker" |
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30 Jul 2006 02:53:39 AM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 17:58:18 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
because it shows that evolution was not to blame for slavery, as was,
indeed, his intention.
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
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| User: "Richard Harter" |
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30 Jul 2006 10:33:43 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
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| User: "wf3h" |
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30 Jul 2006 01:52:16 PM |
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Richard Harter wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
OK rich, for starters...tell me what the 'hidden intentions' (sic) of
evolutionists are regarding racism...
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| User: "Richard Harter" |
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01 Aug 2006 02:49:12 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2006 11:52:16 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
Richard Harter wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
OK rich, for starters...tell me what the 'hidden intentions' (sic) of
evolutionists are regarding racism...
Houston, we have a problem. Once upon a time (August 27, 2006) a
party or parties unknown using the tag hiya_snex put together a
blatant and rather amusing spoof about a fictitious trial in Kansas.
Many readers, not, perhaps as many as should be, recognized it for
what it was and enjoyed it. Alas, there are those whose sense of
humor is defective who did not. Among those who did not were an
inordinately large number who reacted with a knee-jerk reaction. Such
a one is "wf3h".
There are those, and I am one of them, who feel that posting such
spoofs are desirable. There are far too many contributors who, when
reading anything that whiffs of creationism and its allied fallacies,
have an irresistible urge to post a snarky comment, full of anger,
noise, and pointless vituperation. "Howler monkey" is not always a
compliment. Such a one is "wf3h".
One of the merits of these spoofs is that they serve as a form of
social education. The unsocialized howler monkeys learn (we hope)
from experience. A bit of ridicule for having made a fool of one's
self does wonders for one's caution if not for one's judgement. It
teaches them to think before letting their fingers spill rubbish into
the internet.
I hold that this is good. Others may think differently but they would
be wrong. These "howler monkeys" pollute the newsgroups with
vituperative babble that has neither content nor value, posts "full of
sound and fury, signifying nothing." Such a one is "wf3h".
But Houston, we have a problem. Most people, when their nose is
rubbed in it, acknowledge their error and misreading eventually,
albeit grudgingly and graciously. This one, however, cannot seem to
grasp that he has made a fool of himself. We are greeted with denial
that is seldom seen anywhere save in the likes of McCoy. We expect
such obdurate intellectual ignominy from creationists. It is
depressing to see it from those nominally allied to truth and
intellectual integrity.
Houston, he is a dweeb. What are we to do about him?
Houston, are you there?
Houston, do you read me?
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| User: "Robert Grumbine" |
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07 Aug 2006 12:30:51 PM |
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In article <44cf891f.769809421@news.sbtc.net>,
Richard Harter <cri@tiac.net> wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006 11:52:16 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
Richard Harter wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
OK rich, for starters...tell me what the 'hidden intentions' (sic) of
evolutionists are regarding racism...
Houston, we have a problem.
I think he spelled it Huston. Herb's still around, though not posting
much to the group here.
[snip]
Houston, he is a dweeb. What are we to do about him?
Houston, are you there?
Houston, do you read me?
Again and still, Huston.
Anyhow, do you have full bibliographic citation to the
peer-reviewed scientific literature for your assertions?
--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
01 Aug 2006 03:02:43 PM |
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Richard Harter wrote:
On 30 Jul 2006 11:52:16 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
Richard Harter wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
OK rich, for starters...tell me what the 'hidden intentions' (sic) of
evolutionists are regarding racism...
Houston, we have a problem. Once upon a time (August 27, 2006) a
party or parties unknown using the tag hiya_snex put together a
blatant and rather amusing spoof about a fictitious trial in Kansas.
Many readers, not, perhaps as many as should be, recognized it for
what it was and enjoyed it. Alas, there are those whose sense of
humor is defective who did not. Among those who did not were an
inordinately large number who reacted with a knee-jerk reaction. Such
a one is "wf3h".
There are those, and I am one of them, who feel that posting such
spoofs are desirable. There are far too many contributors who, when
reading anything that whiffs of creationism and its allied fallacies,
have an irresistible urge to post a snarky comment, full of anger,
noise, and pointless vituperation. "Howler monkey" is not always a
compliment. Such a one is "wf3h".
One of the merits of these spoofs is that they serve as a form of
social education. The unsocialized howler monkeys learn (we hope)
from experience. A bit of ridicule for having made a fool of one's
self does wonders for one's caution if not for one's judgement. It
teaches them to think before letting their fingers spill rubbish into
the internet.
I hold that this is good. Others may think differently but they would
be wrong. These "howler monkeys" pollute the newsgroups with
vituperative babble that has neither content nor value, posts "full of
sound and fury, signifying nothing." Such a one is "wf3h".
But Houston, we have a problem. Most people, when their nose is
rubbed in it, acknowledge their error and misreading eventually,
albeit grudgingly and graciously. This one, however, cannot seem to
grasp that he has made a fool of himself. We are greeted with denial
that is seldom seen anywhere save in the likes of McCoy. We expect
such obdurate intellectual ignominy from creationists. It is
depressing to see it from those nominally allied to truth and
intellectual integrity.
Houston, he is a dweeb. What are we to do about him?
Houston, are you there?
Houston, do you read me?
Sorry. "Houston" doesn't really exist. There is no mission, and no
mission control. Or at least not One Who cares.
Of course, this is not necessarily a problem, in fact, it may be part
of the solution. As for wf3h, he is clearly part of the precipitate.
Just ignore him, let him cling to his shredded dignity, and move on.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
01 Aug 2006 03:56:58 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2006 11:52:16 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
Richard Harter wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:53:39 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Actually, his intention was to expose those with a tendency to allow
their jerking knees to override their brains.
Very well said.
OK rich, for starters...tell me what the 'hidden intentions' (sic) of
evolutionists are regarding racism...
What part of "the OP is not a creationist and the post is parody" do
you fail to grasp?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
29 Jul 2006 09:24:36 PM |
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wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
the jump is probably true. but the old adage 'if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck'...etc...you know the drill. (he could have been
an islamist...same beliefs as a christianist but different methods).
Sure. You go by the evidence available. But in this case it didn't
really walk like a duck or quack like a duck. Once you get past the
title line and evaluate all the evidence, it is clear that the author
is almost certainly not a creationist, and his attack on Darwinism
flowed from some motivation other than defending biblical literalism.
Don't you agree? And in any case, he definitely wasn't insane enough
to blame slavery on evolution. His insanity blamed evolution for other
things. So how does blaming slavery on Christianity respond in any
useful way?
because it shows that evolution was not to blame for slavery, as was,
indeed, his intention. again, it's a standard creationist
claim...xtianity was perfect, you know, until those evil evolutionists
came along and invented naziism, slavery, genocide, and ingrown
toenails...
And I repeat, regardless of what the standard creationist claims are,
THIS poster (your response to whom I am criticising) did not try
to assign blame for slavery. He tried to assign blame for racism.
There is a difference. If you don't make such distinctions why not
just respond to every posting with your evidence that Christianity
causes ingrown toenails. That will show them.
And in addition, could you get it into your thick skull that it was not
his INTENTION to blame evolution for slavery (or anything else, for
that matter)? Use your 'Darwin-given' ability to read and think for
a change.
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| User: "wf3h" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 01:50:58 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
because it shows that evolution was not to blame for slavery, as was,
indeed, his intention. again, it's a standard creationist
claim...xtianity was perfect, you know, until those evil evolutionists
came along and invented naziism, slavery, genocide, and ingrown
toenails...
And I repeat, regardless of what the standard creationist claims are,
THIS poster (your response to whom I am criticising) did not try
to assign blame for slavery. He tried to assign blame for racism.
so when he says:
"State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run. "
that has nothing to do with a creationist view of science?
really?
There is a difference. If you don't make such distinctions why not
just respond to every posting with your evidence that Christianity
causes ingrown toenails. That will show them.
he tried to assign the blame for racism to evolution. and, believe it
or not, historically, racism and slavery have been linked in western
civilization.
And in addition, could you get it into your thick skull that it was not
his INTENTION to blame evolution for slavery (or anything else, for
that matter)? Use your 'Darwin-given' ability to read and think for
a change.
ah. so when he said that evolutionists have something to hide, your
response is that scientists should take that at face value and just
delve deeper into what our 'true intentions' are??
gee...thick skulls seem to be abundant around here...starting with
you...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 02:28:38 PM |
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wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
because it shows that evolution was not to blame for slavery, as was,
indeed, his intention. again, it's a standard creationist
claim...xtianity was perfect, you know, until those evil evolutionists
came along and invented naziism, slavery, genocide, and ingrown
toenails...
And I repeat, regardless of what the standard creationist claims are,
THIS poster (your response to whom I am criticising) did not try
to assign blame for slavery. He tried to assign blame for racism.
so when he says:
"State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run. "
that has nothing to do with a creationist view of science?
really?
There is a difference. If you don't make such distinctions why not
just respond to every posting with your evidence that Christianity
causes ingrown toenails. That will show them.
he tried to assign the blame for racism to evolution. and, believe it
or not, historically, racism and slavery have been linked in western
civilization.
It is becoming clear that I have no chance of convincing you on
this issue, and you have no chance of convincing me. So there
is not much point to continuing the discussion.
To repeat my point for the last time, when someone attacks an
idea you happen to like, it doesn't make much sense to respond
by attacking an idea you think he might like. Such a response
is the kind of thing you see in a three year old. One reason
such a response is stupid (the least important reason, really)
is the one I mentioned - you may be wrong about what ideas
your 'opponent' really likes.
Whoever coined the phrase "The best defense is a good offense"
was not talking about wars of words. But since you, as you
inform people frequently in your postings, are a scientist, you
should already know that.
There! I have had my say. You are welcome to the last word,
and then we are done.
And in addition, could you get it into your thick skull that it was not
his INTENTION to blame evolution for slavery (or anything else, for
that matter)? Use your 'Darwin-given' ability to read and think for
a change.
ah. so when he said that evolutionists have something to hide, your
response is that scientists should take that at face value and just
delve deeper into what our 'true intentions' are??
gee...thick skulls seem to be abundant around here...starting with
you...
We have been dancing around on this long enough. Apparently you
are not going to bite. If you didn't already know it, the OP was
a Loki troll known hereabouts as snex. You made less of a fool
of yourself in response than some others, but I don't see that you
have much to be proud of. Have a good day.
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| User: "wf3h" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 03:03:15 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
he tried to assign the blame for racism to evolution. and, believe it
or not, historically, racism and slavery have been linked in western
civilization.
It is becoming clear that I have no chance of convincing you on
this issue, and you have no chance of convincing me. So there
is not much point to continuing the discussion.
To repeat my point for the last time, when someone attacks an
idea you happen to like, it doesn't make much sense to respond
by attacking an idea you think he might like. Such a response
is the kind of thing you see in a three year old. One reason
such a response is stupid (the least important reason, really)
is the one I mentioned - you may be wrong about what ideas
your 'opponent' really likes.
i'm not 'attacking an idea he might like'. i'm filling in the blanks.
he mentions the fact that 'slavery was still legal' but concludes by
saying 'evolutionists are trying to hide their view of society'.
what in the WORLD would lead YOU to think there's NO connection between
the fact that slavery was LEGAL before darwin and christianity?
THAT'S the context.
We have been dancing around on this long enough. Apparently you
are not going to bite. If you didn't already know it, the OP was
a Loki troll known hereabouts as snex. You made less of a fool
of yourself in response than some others, but I don't see that you
have much to be proud of. Have a good day.
sigh..hopeless..utterly hopeless. what difference does it make? did it
EVER occur to you that examples of the 'connection' between evolution
and racism are legion in the writings of creationists? a short google
search brings up dozens of examples...
but i suppose they're trolls, too...
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 01:00:17 PM |
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wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
interesting how islamists and christianists distort history in favor of
their lies...
What makes you think the liar is Christian or Muslim? He never
mentions religion.
I would suggest that you look at some of the other postings on this
thread before responding. Otherwise you might thrash around and
hurt yourself.
havent spent much time here, have you?...and haven't read much pat
buchanan, phillip johnson, etc....
Haven't read any Johnson. Used to read some Buchanan.
Hmmm. A quick Google search on "Pat Buchanan science"
indicated that he has indeed gone off the deep end since I
last read him. Too bad. I enjoy reading contrarians.
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
Er, well, *I* do not have any "side." Who do you mean by "Our," and
what do you mean by "side?"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 01:19:26 PM |
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Desertphile wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net wrote:
wf3h wrote:
interesting how islamists and christianists distort history in favor of
their lies...
What makes you think the liar is Christian or Muslim? He never
mentions religion.
I would suggest that you look at some of the other postings on this
thread before responding. Otherwise you might thrash around and
hurt yourself.
havent spent much time here, have you?...and haven't read much pat
buchanan, phillip johnson, etc....
Haven't read any Johnson. Used to read some Buchanan.
Hmmm. A quick Google search on "Pat Buchanan science"
indicated that he has indeed gone off the deep end since I
last read him. Too bad. I enjoy reading contrarians.
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence. Our side is supposed to be
beyond that childishness.
Er, well, *I* do not have any "side."
I am trying to form a mental image of that. Perhaps you should
cut down on the sweets.
Who do you mean by "Our,"
Belonging to me and wf3h.
and what do you mean by "side?"
Believers in truth, justice, and the scientific way. Skeptics
regarding literal interpretation of Scripture, or, in fact, regarding
most other interpretations.
Do you have a point here, Desertphile, or are you operating
based strictly on a hostility to pompous assholes? Yes,
I admit that I am sometimes pompous, and I am quite frequently
an *****. Satisfied? Or do you intend to continue to insert
your pointless comments into this discussion?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
27 Jul 2006 01:51:59 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble hiya_snex bleemed snorg
<1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 11:40:39 -0700:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave girls.
Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was treated as a
Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied a novel
approach to defending his client. His only piece of evidence was Darwin's
Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since evolution had been
proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for helping further it
along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs.
Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason by
the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how they want
society run.
So can anyone *else see this case or just you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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