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27 Jul 2006 01:40:39 PM |
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Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
27 Jul 2006 02:00:46 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
So can anyone *else see this case or just you?
Doubtful, considering the ACLU wouldn't exist until
about 60 years later...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Jul 2006 03:19:36 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble JTEM bleemed snorg
<1154026846.364815.173360@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 12:00:46 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
So can anyone *else see this case or just you?
Doubtful, considering the ACLU wouldn't exist until about 60 years
later...
Oooo, there's an oops...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
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"Everything New Orleans"
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| User: "John Baker" |
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27 Jul 2006 05:09:01 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:36 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
After the aliens invaded, flibble JTEM bleemed snorg
<1154026846.364815.173360@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 12:00:46 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
So can anyone *else see this case or just you?
Doubtful, considering the ACLU wouldn't exist until about 60 years
later...
Oooo, there's an oops...
It's a Loki troll.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
27 Jul 2006 03:30:50 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble hiya_snex bleemed snorg
<1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 11:40:39 -0700:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species... Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU
Origin of Species was first published November 24, 1859.
The ACLU was founded in 1920.
Wonder how many other lies you packed into that one message?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
29 Jul 2006 11:28:02 AM |
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CreateThis wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 16:47:30 -0700, "wf3h" <wf3h@vsswireless.net> wrote:
there's a fatal problem with this argument. let's read what the
fanatic says:
hiya_snex@yahoo.com wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time,
"since slavery was still legal at the time'.
uh....who permitted slavery? was it all the buddhists in america?
perhaps the hindus?
no...it was christians. it took christians 19 centuries to realize
slavery was wrong. it took the bloodiest war in american history to end
it.
Christians not only permitted slavery, virtually every Christian in
the South considered slavery their God-given right, just as they were
taught to believe by their southern Christian ministers. The same
Christian ministers taught the slaves to be humble and grateful to
their masters for helping them to see their rightful role in God's
Plan for Dixie.
And not just Dixie: also Deseret--- Bring 'em young "owned" (if one can
even apply the word to human beings) both black slaves and white
slaves. When Brigham Young wasn't raping little girls, he was sending
his black slaves out to rob and murder travelers and surveyors (such as
Lt. Gunnison).
British Christians at the time were risking their lives supressing the
"slave trade," and had been doing so for nearly 100 years. It appears
to have been a less-than-altruistic on their part (they were protecting
the labor market), but their actions were still worthy of respect and
appreciation.
"... far from being evil, [slavery] was the very essence of right.
Wrong could exist only in rebellion against it. And change could come
only as He Himself produced it through His own direct acts, or - there
was always room here for this - as He commanded it through the
instruments of His will, the ministers.
"Thus, southern clerics who delivered sermons enjoining slaves to
regard their masters as "God's oveseers" could see themselves, and be
seen by others in the South, as instruments of divine benevolence."
-- W.J. Cash, The Mind of the South (1941)
What can we expect from religion, after all? Consider the source.
From the 1850s to the 1880s (well after slavery was supposed to have
ended) there were a series of Presbyterian conventions held in the
attempt to amend the USA Constitution to add two of the Christian gods
to the Constitution ("Jehovah" and "Jesus") and to add non-equivocal
references to slavery. The minutes of the last convention added a
foot-note (in the wrong place) stating the proposed slavery article had
been omitted. I have a copy of the convention's minutes.
I have another religious tract ("Abolitionism Unveiled: or, Its origin,
progress, & pernicious tendency fully developed"), published before the
American Civil War (1856), calling abolutionists "perfidious" and the
source of most of the nation's ills at the time. The author noted, with
some justification, that ending slavery was for some abolitionists an
economic act more than a humanitarian and noble act.
CT
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27 Jul 2006 02:51:31 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, let
us all know that:
Troll.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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27 Jul 2006 02:33:06 PM |
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In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers,
sticking their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
27 Jul 2006 03:32:06 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab4di$bq5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:06
+0000:
In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
hiya_snex@yahoo.com writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave girls.
Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was treated as a
Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied a novel
approach to defending his client. His only piece of evidence was
Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since evolution had
been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for helping further
it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs.
Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason
by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how they
want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers, sticking
their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
Evolutionists got time travel?!?!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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27 Jul 2006 03:45:32 PM |
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In article <HqqdnceYspJbv1TZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab4di$bq5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:06
+0000:
In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
hiya_snex@yahoo.com writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave girls.
Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was treated as a
Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied a novel
approach to defending his client. His only piece of evidence was
Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since evolution had
been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for helping further
it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs.
Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason
by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how they
want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers, sticking
their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
Evolutionists got time travel?!?!
Absolutely. That's what let them go back and burn the ark,
douse the angel with the flaming sword, cover up
all the Hewbrew footprints leading away from Egypt,
and transport all those marsupials from Ararat to Australia,
-- cary
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27 Jul 2006 04:50:20 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab8lc$nr4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:45:32
+0000:
In article <HqqdnceYspJbv1TZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net> "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab4di$bq5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:06
+0000:
In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
hiya_snex@yahoo.com writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that
since evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held
responsible for helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of
all charges. State of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and
it is kept hidden with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals
their true intentions about how they want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers,
sticking their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
Evolutionists got time travel?!?!
Absolutely. That's what let them go back and burn the ark, douse the
angel with the flaming sword, cover up all the Hewbrew footprints leading
away from Egypt, and transport all those marsupials from Ararat to
Australia,
I'll remember having done that someday...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Jul 2006 06:30:26 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab4di$bq5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:06
+0000:
In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
hiya_snex@yahoo.com writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave girls.
Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was treated as a
Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied a novel
approach to defending his client. His only piece of evidence was
Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since evolution had
been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for helping further
it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs.
Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason
by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how they
want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers, sticking
their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
Evolutionists got time travel?!?!
Uh-oh. Hey, everybody, look at my neuralizer! <FLASH>
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Jul 2006 07:36:01 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble John Harshman bleemed snorg
<m0cyg.12780$2v.5074@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006
23:30:26 +0000:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eab4di$bq5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:06
+0000:
In article <1154025639.682499.70620@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
hiya_snex@yahoo.com writes:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
Well, isn't that just typical of pushy New York Jew ACLU lawyers,
sticking their noses in where they weren't invited?
Like the preceding century, for example.
Evolutionists got time travel?!?!
Uh-oh. Hey, everybody, look at my neuralizer! <FLASH>
Who are you? Where am I?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Jul 2006 04:28:04 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
Nice try. The ACLU was founded in 1920, a considerable period of time
after slavery was abolished.
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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27 Jul 2006 01:50:04 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
A liar as well as an idiot.
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| User: "David Iain Greig" |
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27 Jul 2006 02:01:13 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
A liar as well as an idiot.
One!
--D.
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27 Jul 2006 05:08:12 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
In case you weren't aware, Loki points are redeemable for beers at The
Panda's Thumb. I'll have a Guinness....
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27 Jul 2006 02:04:50 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave
girls. Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was
treated as a Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case.
Suttonhof's attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU,
applied a novel approach to defending his client. His only piece of
evidence was Darwin's Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since
evolution had been proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for
helping further it along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State
of Kansas vs. Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden
with good reason by the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions
about how they want society run.
Racism's Biblical basis
Michael McAteer
thestar.com
Protestant churches in the southern U.S. once preached that slavery
was sanctioned by God
Interracial marriage was a crime in South Carolina as late as 1998
when the state repealed its anti-miscegenation law.
Although the repeal was supported by a majority of voters in a
referendum, almost 40 per cent opposed it. Among them was a Republican
state representative who argued interracial marriage was "not what God
intended when he separated the races back in Babylonian days." His
stance, he acknowledged, probably stemmed from his Southern Baptist
upbringing.
Disassociating his denomination from the representative's remarks, a
spokesperson for the 16 million-member Southern Baptist Convention
(SBC) said that "to wrap our prejudice in the Scripture is a sinful
thing to do" and referred to the SBC's 1995 public repentance for the
role slavery played in its formation 150 years earlier.
The SBC's belated apology to African-Americans for "condoning and/or
perpetuating individual and system racism" came 133 years after
slavery was abolished in the southern states following the southern
defeat in the American Civil War, and almost 400 years after the first
slaves were unloaded on American soil.
Breaking from northern Baptists over the issue of missionaries owning
slaves, the ultra-conservative, evangelical SBC preached a Biblical
basis for slavery and later used its pulpits to vigorously oppose
anti-segregation laws.
Today, the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. forms a
significant segment of Christian support for the Bush administration
and has endorsed the U.S. invasion of Iraq as necessary to stop "rogue
states" from acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Baptists were not the only southern Protestants who preached that
slavery was in harmony with Christianity and the Bible and was
sanctioned by God. Other Christians used the pulpit to fertilize the
weeds of bigotry, discrimination and oppression to produce one of the
most shameful chapters of U.S. history.
As Stephen Haynes notes in Noah's Curse: The Biblical Justification of
American Slavery. (Oxford University Press, 2002), the 1864 general
assembly of the Presbyterian Church in the Confederate States of
America affirmed it was the mission of the Southern Church to conserve
the institution of slavery, and to make it a blessing both to master
and slave.
And then there was the Rev. Benjamin Morgan Palmer, who plays a
central role in Haynes book.
Streets, parks schools and orphanages in the U.S. South bear the name
of this prominent Christian evangelist, orator, "founding father" of
the Southern Presbyterian Church and esteemed New Orleans clergyman of
the second half of the 19th century. But, as Haynes points out, Palmer
was also a vicious bigot, "a vociferous advocate of slavery who relied
on the so-called curse of Ham to justify the South's peculiar
institution."
A staunch defender of Southern interests, Palmer viewed the Civil War
as a "holy" conflict between a righteous South and an ungodly North
and devoted much of his time and energy to ensuring that God's design
of racial separation and Anglo-Saxon domination were reflected in
church and society alike.
Coincidentally, Palmer, who died in 1902, is recognized as the
"father" of what was once Southern Presbyterian University and is now
Rhodes College, a liberal arts institution in Memphis Tenn., where
Haynes, a Southerner and Presbyterian clergyman is professor of
religious studies.
A college commemorative plaque praises the "father" of an institution
"which was the first to place the Bible as a required textbook in its
curriculum and which through all the years continues to enshrine this
ideal of Christian education." In Palmer's hands, the textbook was a
teaching tool to underscore biblical texts justifying not only slavery
in general but also the enslavement of Africans in particular.
In Genesis, the first book of the Old (Hebrew) Testament, the story is
told of Ham coming across his naked father Noah who was sleeping off a
drunken binge. Instead of covering his father, Ham runs and tells his
brothers Shem and Japheth who avert their eyes and cover their
father's nakedness. In retaliation for Ham's behaviour, Noah puts a
curse on Ham's son, Canaan.
"Cursed be Canaan, lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers."
There is no specific condemnation of slavery anywhere in the Bible
The Bible is silent on what it is that Ham did to bring down Noah's
wrath upon his grandson. And while both books of the Bible are replete
with references to slavery and how it should be regulated, there is no
specific condemnation of the practice.
In Exodus, it is written that `if a man beats his male or female slave
with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished,
but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two,
since the slave is his property."
The apostle Paul did proclaim that in Christ there was "no longer Jew
or Greek, slave or free, male and female, Matthew did say "a disciple
is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master."
In Karen Armstrong's book, In the Beginning: A New Interpretation of
Genesis, the well-known author and lecturer suggests that Noah's
refusal to take responsibility for his drunken state shifted his guilt
and self-disgust onto an innocent party, Canaan.
"Some of the worst atrocities of history have occurred as a result of
this type of scapegoating when we blame others for our own crimes and
inadequacies," Armstrong says. "It provided a rational for Israel's
later subjugation of the Canaanites and the proposed genocide of the
native people of the Promised Land as described in the Book of
Joshua."
With the later belief that Africans were Ham's descendants, "the
scriptural defense of slavery had evolved into the most elaborate and
systematic statement of proslavery theory," Haynes says.
What distinguishes Palmer among former slave apologists, says Haynes,
is something he shares with many American Bible readers: "the American
penchant for reading Genesis as a manifesto of racial destiny quite
apart from the question of slavery. Palmer, who read Noah's curse as a
blueprint for the natural hierarchy of humans, insisted that God had
assigned the American people a unique historic mission.
Outside of slavery, he argued, the black race would experience "rapid
extermination before they had time to waste away through listlessness,
filth and vice."
And while he was not the first to assert that aboriginal Americans'
displacement by Europeans was an act of providence, Haynes says Palmer
used a Biblical text that was pivotal in American debates regarding
the destinies of Africans and Europeans to illuminate the fate of the
American Indian.
"As a Christian rhetorician, Palmer's goal was to demonstrate that the
`practical extinction' of Native Americans under the pressure of an
expanding white civilization was in conformity with the divine plan
revealed in scripture."
Because the majority of Americans now share the "vision of an
integrated society," Haynes says it is tempting to regard Noah's curse
as discredited and irrelevant.
However, he cautions that "the stereotypes and myths that once
animated racial readings of Genesis continue to operate in the
American imagination." And, "given the enduring American fascination
with Noah's curse, the potential for Palmer's `genocidal' reading of
the curse to justify genocidal assault on a minority population should
never be discounted."
As long as people read the Bible to seek justification for group
hegemony, Palmer's racist views should not be regarded as ideological
relics, Haynes says.
"Noah's curse may be dormant, but it is not dead: it may be in
remission but it is still in need of a remedy."
http://www.maafa.org/klan.html
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Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
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| User: "CreateThis" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
29 Jul 2006 08:18:35 PM |
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On 28 Jul 2006 21:54:54 -0700, wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
interesting how islamists and christianists distort history in favor of
their lies...
What makes you think the liar is Christian or Muslim? He never
mentions religion.
I would suggest that you look at some of the other postings on this
thread before responding. Otherwise you might thrash around and
hurt yourself.
havent spent much time here, have you?...and haven't read much pat
buchanan, phillip johnson, etc....
Haven't read any Johnson. Used to read some Buchanan.
Hmmm. A quick Google search on "Pat Buchanan science"
indicated that he has indeed gone off the deep end since I
last read him. Too bad. I enjoy reading contrarians.
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence.
You really haven't been around here much, have you?
Just Christian creationists, nothing else. This is Talk.Origins,
mister.
Our side is supposed to be beyond that childishness.
Our side? I prefer to think of us as Materialist Missionaries (we
have our own Madonna). This month only: each new member gets a
lifetime tithe rate of 5%.
CT
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
29 Jul 2006 09:07:58 PM |
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CreateThis wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 21:54:54 -0700, wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
interesting how islamists and christianists distort history in favor of
their lies...
What makes you think the liar is Christian or Muslim? He never
mentions religion.
I would suggest that you look at some of the other postings on this
thread before responding. Otherwise you might thrash around and
hurt yourself.
havent spent much time here, have you?...and haven't read much pat
buchanan, phillip johnson, etc....
Haven't read any Johnson. Used to read some Buchanan.
Hmmm. A quick Google search on "Pat Buchanan science"
indicated that he has indeed gone off the deep end since I
last read him. Too bad. I enjoy reading contrarians.
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence.
You really haven't been around here much, have you?
Just Christian creationists, nothing else. This is Talk.Origins,
mister.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you seriously suggesting,
against all the evidence available here, that the author of the
OP was a Christian creationist? If so, you are far more stupid
than you realize.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
31 Jul 2006 08:30:49 PM |
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<jimmenegay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
CreateThis wrote:
Just Christian creationists, nothing else. This is Talk.Origins,
mister.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you seriously suggesting,
against all the evidence available here, that the author of the
OP was a Christian creationist? If so, you are far more stupid
than you realize.
It's a movie reference (extra points for guessing which one).
"The Paper", directed and produced by Ron Howard. The Glenn
Close character says "Those are union drivers waiting out there,
mister" and the Michael Keaton character repeats the line mockingly
with a John Wayne accent and swagger. (A great movie, by the
way. Pick it up cheap in a used video store and enjoy. Duval
and Tomei are also great and Jason Alexander is perfect as
Marion Sandusky.)
Glenn Close: "The bullet came through the wall. Why did the bullet come
through the wall?"
Randy Quaid: "To get to the other side?"
I'm sure the Duke himself said it in some Western or war movie,
but in this ng, we usually prefer secondary sources.
And I'm
far more stupid than even *you* realize.
I sincerely hope not.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
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| User: "CreateThis" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
31 Jul 2006 02:59:30 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2006 06:48:41 -0700, wrote:
CreateThis wrote:
Just Christian creationists, nothing else. This is Talk.Origins,
mister.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you seriously suggesting,
against all the evidence available here, that the author of the
OP was a Christian creationist? If so, you are far more stupid
than you realize.
It's a movie reference (extra points for guessing which one).
"The Paper", directed and produced by Ron Howard.
Nope, but I like that one.
It's from The Hustler: "Just pool, nothing else. This is Ames,
mister."
The Glenn
Close character says "Those are union drivers waiting out there,
mister" and the Michael Keaton character repeats the line mockingly
with a John Wayne accent and swagger. (A great movie, by the
way. Pick it up cheap in a used video store and enjoy. Duval
and Tomei are also great and Jason Alexander is perfect as
Marion Sandusky.)
I'm sure the Duke himself said it in some Western or war movie,
but in this ng, we usually prefer secondary sources.
And I'm
far more stupid than even *you* realize.
I sincerely hope not.
Me too, but how would I know?
CT
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
30 Jul 2006 02:58:56 AM |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:18:35 -0500, CreateThis <CreateThis@yippee.con>
wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 21:54:54 -0700, wrote:
wf3h wrote:
wrote:
wf3h wrote:
interesting how islamists and christianists distort history in favor of
their lies...
What makes you think the liar is Christian or Muslim? He never
mentions religion.
I would suggest that you look at some of the other postings on this
thread before responding. Otherwise you might thrash around and
hurt yourself.
havent spent much time here, have you?...and haven't read much pat
buchanan, phillip johnson, etc....
Haven't read any Johnson. Used to read some Buchanan.
Hmmm. A quick Google search on "Pat Buchanan science"
indicated that he has indeed gone off the deep end since I
last read him. Too bad. I enjoy reading contrarians.
don't know much about how those fine christians view
scientists, apparently...
But I have read a lot by Dawkins, by Steve Weinberg, and by to's
own Larry Moran. So I do know how those fine scientists view
Christians.
Take it slowly now. The next step requires some thinking. If I
were to encounter a ridiculous bit of anti-Christian writing in a
news-group posting, would I be justified in concluding that the
author was a scientist?
I'm not faulting you too severely for jumping to the conclusion that
the author was a Christian creationist. I came pretty close to
doing that myself. All I am saying is that you jumped to that
conclusion without real evidence.
You really haven't been around here much, have you?
Just Christian creationists, nothing else. This is Talk.Origins,
mister.
Well, I'm reading this in alt.atheism. I stopped reading t.o a while
ago, mainly because it's the only group on Usenet that can honestly
claim to have more trolls - and more pretentious, pseudointellectual
twits - than a.a
Our side is supposed to be beyond that childishness.
Our side? I prefer to think of us as Materialist Missionaries (we
have our own Madonna). This month only: each new member gets a
lifetime tithe rate of 5%.
CT
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Proof Linking Evolution to Racism |
27 Jul 2006 03:23:42 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:40:39 -0700, hiya_snex wrote:
Just 5 months after the release of the Origin of Species, there was a
little-known and little-discussed trial in the state of Kansas. A man
named Bill Suttonhof was accused of murdering three African slave girls.
Since slavery was still legal at the time, however, it was treated as a
Destruction of Property case, rather than a murder case. Suttonhof's
attorney, Stanley Beverec Gathinston III of the ACLU, applied a novel
approach to defending his client. His only piece of evidence was Darwin's
Origin of Species. Gathinston claimed that since evolution had been
proven, Suttonhof could not be held responsible for helping further it
along. Suttonhof was acquitted of all charges. State of Kansas vs.
Suttonhof is almost unheard-of, and it is kept hidden with good reason by
the evolutionists. It reveals their true intentions about how they want
society run.
Curses!! We've been discovered!! It is true; all of science is an
elaborate smoke screen to cover the social engineering ambitions of the
Secret Society. The fact that science allows us to understand the world,
cure diseases, improve the quality of life, etc, is just a fortunate
by-product of our plan to RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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28 Jul 2006 12:46:30 AM |
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Thanks for making a fool of yourself. More ammo for us unbelievers.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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