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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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21 Jan 2007 07:13:20 AM |
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Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: HIS creation of the universe. |
brother Melchizedek wrote:
"Father Haskell" wrote:
WhewAustralopithicus wrote:
"Father Haskell" wrote:
brother Melchizedek wrote:
"St. Jackanapes" wrote:
<snip>
Whack-A-Fundy
Squash a Liver!
50 Yard Bible Toss!
Oh goodie, a picnic. I'll bring the potato salad.
Melchy says he'll bring the goat.
FA talking to him/her self, huh ... :-)
Divine Design
"Only a rookie who knows nothing about science would say science takes away from faith. If you really study science, it will bring
you closer to God."
-James Tour, Nanoscientist
The astronomical evidence for God must be strong when atheistic physicists admit that "the universe exploded out of nothingness,"
and agnostic astronomers claim that "supernatural forces" were so at work in the beginning that scientists are led back to "a band
of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries" (see chapter 3). But the scientific evidence for God does not end with the
Cosmological Argument. For many, the precision with which the universe exploded into being provides even more persuasive evidence
for the existence of God.
This evidence, technically known as the Teleological Argument, derives its name from the Greek word telos, which means "design." The
Teleological Argument goes like this:
1. Every design had a designer.
2. The universe has highly complex design.
3. Therefore, the universe had a Designer.
Isaac Newton (1642-1727) implicitly confirmed the validity of the Teleological Argument when he marveled at the design of our solar
system. He wrote, "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an
intelligent and powerful Being."?1? Yet it was William Paley (1743-1805) who made the argument famous by his commonsense assertion
that every watch requires a watchmaker. Imagine you're walking along in the woods and you find a diamond-studded Rolex on the
ground. What do you conclude is the cause of that watch: The wind and the rain? Erosion? Some combination of natural forces? Of
course not! There's absolutely no question in your mind that some intelligent being made that watch, and that some unfortunate
individual must have accidentally dropped it there.
Scientists are now finding that the universe in which we live is like that diamond-studded Rolex, except the universe is even more
precisely designed than the watch. In fact, the universe is specifically tweaked to enable life on earth-a planet with scores of
improbable and interdependent life-supporting conditions that make it a tiny oasis in a vast and hostile universe.
These highly precise and interdependent environmental conditions (which are called "anthropic constants") make up what is known as
the "Anthropic Principle." "Anthropic" comes from a Greek word that means "human" or "man." The Anthropic Principle is just a fancy
title for the mounting evidence that has many scientists believing that the universe is extremely fine-tuned (designed) to support
human life here on earth.
In this vast and hostile universe, we earthlings are much like astronauts who can survive only in the small confines of their
spaceship. Like a spaceship, our earth supports life as it hurls through lifeless space. But also like a spaceship, a slight change
or malfunction in any one of a number of factors-in either the universe or the earth itself-could fatally alter the narrowly defined
environmental conditions we need to survive.
Apollo 13, one of the most challenging and famed missions in the history of NASA, will help drive this point home. We're going spend
the next few pages aboard Apollo 13. And as we do, we'll point out some of the anthropic constants that make our lives possible.
1 Isaac Newton, "General Scholium," in Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy (1687) in Great Books of the Western World,
Robert M. Hutchins, ed. (Chicago: Encyclopedia Britannica, n.d.), 369.
Geisler, N. L., & Turek, F. (2004). I don't have enough faith to be an atheist (95). Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to post this.
Laus Deo ! ! !
Let us continue to prayer for our dear friends and neighbors who have
been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
For they are in danger of unwisely choosing to blaspheme the Holy
Spirit thereby becoming demons:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6f0944c007976167?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear brother Melchizedek whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
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| User: "Marcus" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
27 Mar 2007 08:07:51 PM |
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"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message news:_b-dnc-NDN7pP5XbnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@adelphia.com...
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
No. A nonexistent being can't do genocide or anything else.
But lots of people believe that the god imagined by Abraham killed everyone on Earth, except for a single family. So, many
people have no problem imagining a hypothetical genocidal god.
Wonderful.
I agree. Popelish, that can't be ur real last name, huh .... :-0
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| User: "stumper" |
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27 Mar 2007 11:38:57 AM |
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John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
Does God do genocide?
No. A nonexistent being can't do genocide or anything else.
But lots of people believe that the god imagined by Abraham killed
everyone on Earth, except for a single family. So, many people
have no problem imagining a hypothetical genocidal god.
Wonderful.
I agree.
God don't do genocide.
People do.
Yes.
Governments don't do genocide.
People do.
Governments are made of people.
What are the evidences that proves
that your government exists?
It spend my taxes?
What evidence do you have that you exist?
I think.
My self is just a working hypothesis.
My illusion of self, also.
Before we get to the blame game,
let's finish up the modes of existence.
I have not brought up any blame.
What would you call the mode of existence
of something like your government?
Obscure and tangled, but occasionally useful and often dangerous.
Supposedly defined and limited by the constitution, but always straining
to exceed those bounds.
Paved public roads are a joy when I am on my motorcycle. Private
citizens do not pave public roads. People employed by governments do.
There are state and national parks near here that I enjoy visiting. The
Blue Ridge Parkway is one of the best things the federal government ever
accomplished, with very little but cheap labor in the form of the CCC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
But, of course, the county, state and federal governments are always
hungry. Especially for power over citizens.
Thank you.
A lovely way of looking at it.
But I am looking for more mundane classification
like existence like a chair, like a number,
like an idea, like laws of nature,
like criminal law, like a family, etc.
Care to come up with some good labels for them?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
28 Mar 2007 12:34:48 AM |
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On Mar 27, 12:38 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
Does God do genocide?
No. A nonexistent being can't do genocide or anything else.
But lots of people believe that the god imagined by Abraham killed
everyone on Earth, except for a single family. So, many people
have no problem imagining a hypothetical genocidal god.
Wonderful.
I agree.
God don't do genocide.
People do.
Yes.
Governments don't do genocide.
People do.
Governments are made of people.
What are the evidences that proves
that your government exists?
It spend my taxes?
What evidence do you have that you exist?
I think.
My self is just a working hypothesis.
My illusion of self, also.
Before we get to the blame game,
let's finish up the modes of existence.
I have not brought up any blame.
What would you call the mode of existence
of something like your government?
Obscure and tangled, but occasionally useful and often dangerous.
Supposedly defined and limited by the constitution, but always straining
to exceed those bounds.
Paved public roads are a joy when I am on my motorcycle. Private
citizens do not pave public roads. People employed by governments do.
There are state and national parks near here that I enjoy visiting. The
Blue Ridge Parkway is one of the best things the federal government ever
accomplished, with very little but cheap labor in the form of the CCC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
But, of course, the county, state and federal governments are always
hungry. Especially for power over citizens.
Thank you.
A lovely way of looking at it.
But I am looking for more mundane classification
like existence like a chair,
A chair, like any another form of matter, is almost entirely
empty space. Solidity is an illusion resulting from probability
clouds of electrons. It does exist, but not nearly to the extent
you imagined.
God exists even less.
like a number,
Synthetic construct.
like an idea, like laws of nature,
Observed.
like criminal law, like a family, etc.
Care to come up with some good labels for them?
The latest members of Stumpers' series of arguments from naivety?
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
28 Mar 2007 12:53:41 AM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 27, 12:38 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
Does God do genocide?
No. A nonexistent being can't do genocide or anything else.
But lots of people believe that the god imagined by Abraham killed
everyone on Earth, except for a single family. So, many people
have no problem imagining a hypothetical genocidal god.
Wonderful.
I agree.
God don't do genocide.
People do.
Yes.
Governments don't do genocide.
People do.
Governments are made of people.
What are the evidences that proves
that your government exists?
It spend my taxes?
What evidence do you have that you exist?
I think.
My self is just a working hypothesis.
My illusion of self, also.
Before we get to the blame game,
let's finish up the modes of existence.
I have not brought up any blame.
What would you call the mode of existence
of something like your government?
Obscure and tangled, but occasionally useful and often dangerous.
Supposedly defined and limited by the constitution, but always straining
to exceed those bounds.
Paved public roads are a joy when I am on my motorcycle. Private
citizens do not pave public roads. People employed by governments do.
There are state and national parks near here that I enjoy visiting. The
Blue Ridge Parkway is one of the best things the federal government ever
accomplished, with very little but cheap labor in the form of the CCC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
But, of course, the county, state and federal governments are always
hungry. Especially for power over citizens.
Thank you.
A lovely way of looking at it.
But I am looking for more mundane classification
like existence like a chair,
A chair, like any another form of matter, is almost entirely
empty space. Solidity is an illusion resulting from probability
clouds of electrons. It does exist, but not nearly to the extent
you imagined.
God exists even less.
like a number,
Synthetic construct.
like an idea, like laws of nature,
Observed.
like criminal law, like a family, etc.
Care to come up with some good labels for them?
The latest members of Stumpers' series of arguments from naivety?
Are you fond of difficult words?
Have you read anything on Process Theology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_theology
What do they say about God's existence?
How does God exist for them?
--
~Stumper
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
28 Mar 2007 01:00:46 AM |
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On Mar 28, 1:53 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 27, 12:38 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
stumper wrote:
Does God do genocide?
No. A nonexistent being can't do genocide or anything else.
But lots of people believe that the god imagined by Abraham killed
everyone on Earth, except for a single family. So, many people
have no problem imagining a hypothetical genocidal god.
Wonderful.
I agree.
God don't do genocide.
People do.
Yes.
Governments don't do genocide.
People do.
Governments are made of people.
What are the evidences that proves
that your government exists?
It spend my taxes?
What evidence do you have that you exist?
I think.
My self is just a working hypothesis.
My illusion of self, also.
Before we get to the blame game,
let's finish up the modes of existence.
I have not brought up any blame.
What would you call the mode of existence
of something like your government?
Obscure and tangled, but occasionally useful and often dangerous.
Supposedly defined and limited by the constitution, but always straining
to exceed those bounds.
Paved public roads are a joy when I am on my motorcycle. Private
citizens do not pave public roads. People employed by governments do.
There are state and national parks near here that I enjoy visiting. The
Blue Ridge Parkway is one of the best things the federal government ever
accomplished, with very little but cheap labor in the form of the CCC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
But, of course, the county, state and federal governments are always
hungry. Especially for power over citizens.
Thank you.
A lovely way of looking at it.
But I am looking for more mundane classification
like existence like a chair,
A chair, like any another form of matter, is almost entirely
empty space. Solidity is an illusion resulting from probability
clouds of electrons. It does exist, but not nearly to the extent
you imagined.
God exists even less.
like a number,
Synthetic construct.
like an idea, like laws of nature,
Observed.
like criminal law, like a family, etc.
Care to come up with some good labels for them?
The latest members of Stumpers' series of arguments from naivety?
Are you fond of difficult words?
Would you like a few?
Have you read anything on Process Theology.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_theology
What do they say about God's existence?
How does God exist for them?
Well, at least you stupid fuckers keep trying.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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26 Mar 2007 01:55:33 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your meth
kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it could
be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear
stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment.
Throughout history many authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the concept. Even
Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the
context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even
the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the
grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and
punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing
punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze age goat
herders.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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| User: "stumper" |
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26 Mar 2007 02:43:52 PM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your meth
kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it could
be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear
stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment.
Throughout history many authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the concept. Even
Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the
context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even
the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the
grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and
punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing
punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze age goat
herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
Can you afford to ignore it?
--
~Stumper
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
26 Mar 2007 03:53:32 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:43:52 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your meth
kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it could
be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear
stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment.
Throughout history many authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the concept. Even
Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the
context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even
the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the
grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and
punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing
punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze age goat
herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
Another dumb fucking question. Do you love your proctologist?
They're both there to do a job for you.
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
--
Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
27 Mar 2007 09:49:40 AM |
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Velvet Elvis <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> blew me away with
news:jhcg03hvt2rnggvthvgaeh1kk083ff0508@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:43:52 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your
meth kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and
heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it
could be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes
your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people
uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of
fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many
authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many
movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is
definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only
the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place
of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others
say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.
Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze
age goat herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
Another dumb fucking question. Do you love your proctologist?
They're both there to do a job for you.
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be
saying it 2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Ol' Stumper landed in my killfile last week, posts have dropped by about
half...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 03/17/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44
'72 Fender Telecaster Thinline...
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
27 Mar 2007 12:52:35 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:49:40 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <phylter@phylterworld.com> wrote:
Velvet Elvis <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> blew me away with
news:jhcg03hvt2rnggvthvgaeh1kk083ff0508@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:43:52 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your
meth kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and
heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it
could be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes
your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people
uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of
fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many
authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many
movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is
definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only
the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place
of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others
say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.
Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze
age goat herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
Another dumb fucking question. Do you love your proctologist?
They're both there to do a job for you.
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be
saying it 2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Ol' Stumper landed in my killfile last week, posts have dropped by about
half...
It's the optimist in me. I keep thinking that just maybe, one of these times,
he'll opt for cogent content, or at least say something intelligent.
I don't know how much longer I can have my hopes dashed, reading such
profundities as "do you love your government?"
--
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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27 Mar 2007 02:20:34 PM |
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Velvet Elvis <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> blew me away with
news:87mi0393ghnlpvhd949m8bgigpfk53i7ds@4ax.com:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:49:40 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <phylter@phylterworld.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> blew me away with
news:jhcg03hvt2rnggvthvgaeh1kk083ff0508@4ax.com:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:43:52 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper
<stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your
meth kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth
and heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I
supposed it could be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before
it becomes your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people
uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of
fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history
many authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many
movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell
is definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine
of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is
only the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a
place of correction and punishment that is not eternal.
Others say it is an endless agonizing punishment in
fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the
favor of God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of
semiliquified Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze
age goat herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
Another dumb fucking question. Do you love your proctologist?
They're both there to do a job for you.
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be
saying it 2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Ol' Stumper landed in my killfile last week, posts have dropped by
about half...
It's the optimist in me. I keep thinking that just maybe, one of
these times, he'll opt for cogent content, or at least say something
intelligent. I don't know how much longer I can have my hopes dashed,
reading such profundities as "do you love your government?"
Agreed, but here's me thinking "I" was ever the optimist, ya beat me!
I couldn't take its sophomoric sophistry (alliteration deliberate) any
longer...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 03/17/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44
'72 Fender Telecaster Thinline...
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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27 Mar 2007 07:54:55 PM |
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"Phÿltêr" <phylter@phylterworld.com> wrote in message news:Xns99009C1952094Smeagolsring@207.115.17.102...
Velvet Elvis <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> blew me away with
It's the optimist in me. I keep thinking that just maybe, one of
these times, he'll opt for cogent content, or at least say something
intelligent. I don't know how much longer I can have my hopes dashed,
reading such profundities as "do you love your government?"
Agreed, but here's me thinking "I" was ever the optimist, ya beat me!
I couldn't take its sophomoric sophistry (alliteration deliberate) any
longer...
Phÿltêr - has anyone ever calls u a pillsbury do bouy? :-)
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26 Mar 2007 04:35:23 PM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Good for you!
Is that why you are here?
--
~Stumper
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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26 Mar 2007 05:11:18 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:23 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Good for you!
Is that why you are here?
I'm here for a few laughs and some entertainment. Right now, you're on stage.
--
Losing your faith is a lot like losing your virginity
you don't realise how irritating it was 'til it's gone.
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| User: "stumper" |
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26 Mar 2007 05:32:41 PM |
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Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:23 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Good for you!
Is that why you are here?
I'm here for a few laughs and some entertainment. Right now, you're on stage.
Thank you.
As I have filtered out all babies,
I'm not getting much feedback.
Are they laughing much?
Not too much crying, I hope.
--
~Stumper
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| User: "Unsaved White Trash" |
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26 Mar 2007 05:48:53 PM |
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"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
news:i42dnaxkq7pm1JXbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@ptd.net...
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:23 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be
saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Good for you!
Is that why you are here?
I'm here for a few laughs and some entertainment. Right now, you're on
stage.
Thank you.
As I have filtered out all babies,
I'm not getting much feedback.
Are they laughing much?
Not too much crying, I hope.
You have serious delusions of grandeur. You couldn't evoke an emotion out
of manic depressive monkey
--
~Stumper
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26 Mar 2007 08:26:19 PM |
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Unsaved White Trash wrote:
"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
news:i42dnaxkq7pm1JXbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@ptd.net...
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:35:23 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
You simps have been saying that for 2,000 years, and will still be
saying it
2,000 years from now.
Can you afford to ignore it?
I can't afford to waste time on it.
Good for you!
Is that why you are here?
I'm here for a few laughs and some entertainment. Right now, you're on
stage.
Thank you.
As I have filtered out all babies,
I'm not getting much feedback.
Are they laughing much?
Not too much crying, I hope.
You have serious delusions of grandeur. You couldn't evoke an emotion out
of manic depressive monkey
I guess they are still crying out loud.
--
~Stumper
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26 Mar 2007 02:53:07 PM |
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stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in
news:hY6dnSqxLdn0v5XbnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@ptd.net:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your meth
kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and
heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it
could be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes
your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people
uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of
fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many
authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many
movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is
definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only
the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place
of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others
say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.
Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze age
goat herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
Can you afford to ignore it?
We can afford to ignore you.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I believe it is appropriate to have an overrepresentation of factual
presentations on how dangerous it (Global Warming) is, as a predicate
for opening up the audience." - Al Gore
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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27 Mar 2007 12:39:30 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in
news:hY6dnSqxLdn0v5XbnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@ptd.net:
Velvet Elvis wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:41:41 -0400, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:24 am, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
thomas p. wrote:
On 21 Mar., 01:43, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
"Unsaved White Trash" <whewnotsa...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:46005241$0$18907$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
What if you're down in the cellar, mixing up ***** in your meth
kitchen?
I guess according to Gen. the only thing created was earth and
heaven, so I guess the basement is just earth. I supposed it
could be sporadically heaven on earth LOL before it becomes
your own personal version of hell?
Hell
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people
uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of
fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many
authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno
for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many
movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is
definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only
the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place
of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others
say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire.
Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of
God.
Hell and god are beliefs for which no evidence exists.
snip
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
God is better handled by the Department of Obsolete
Myths and Children's Fables.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is our world government in exile.
Exiled in the 'fridge, behind the 6 month old bag of semiliquified
Romaine.
If it's too difficult for you,
you can start with the kingdom of God.
Any idea what it is?
It's a delusion based on 3rd party ramblings by a bunch of bronze age
goat herders.
You need to do a paradigm shift first to understand.
God is better handled by social science
than by natural science.
My working hypothesis for this week is this:
God is a world government in exile.
Is your government all powerful?
Do you love your government?
God as the world government in exile is
working hard to take over the world.
Can you afford to ignore it?
We can afford to ignore you.
Do try it sometime.
It's good for you.
--
~Stumper
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20 Mar 2007 08:02:52 PM |
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On Mar 20, 7:43 pm, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable.
Hell is the first tool a preacher reaches for.
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21 Mar 2007 10:19:37 AM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> blew me away with
news:1174438972.472688.175540@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 20, 7:43 pm, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable.
Hell is the first tool a preacher reaches for.
And Melted Cheese ***** is the second.
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 03/17/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44
'72 Telecaster Thinline...
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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20 Mar 2007 08:40:34 PM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174438972.472688.175540@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 20, 7:43 pm, "Free Gift" <f...@invalid.com> wrote:
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable.
Hell is the first tool a preacher reaches for.
Maroons I tell ya, a bunch of maroons!
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20 Mar 2007 01:28:44 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:23 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vpg663o4fujff@corp.supernews.com...
"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R8WdnYI0ou57QWbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vmduhqbhvm7b9@corp.supernews.com...
[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been created
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting can
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the universe
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a fallacious
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15
billion of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the start
of
our time and space, could have happened without some form of
intelligence
being behind that event.
There is no big bang in the bible.
Dear Mr. Haskell,
Please reread Genesis 1:1. Sounds exactly like the big bang to me.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.
Looks like he skipped a few steps.
Could one reasonably expect any better from a book of myth?
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25 Mar 2007 01:50:28 AM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Sippuuden said...
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:23 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vpg663o4fujff@corp.supernews.com...
"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R8WdnYI0ou57QWbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vmduhqbhvm7b9@corp.supernews.com...
[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been created
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting can
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the universe
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a fallacious
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15
billion of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the start
of
our time and space, could have happened without some form of
intelligence
being behind that event.
There is no big bang in the bible.
Dear Mr. Haskell,
Please reread Genesis 1:1. Sounds exactly like the big bang to me.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.
Looks like he skipped a few steps.
Could one reasonably expect any better from a book of myth?
And written by sun crazed desert lunatics.
--
St. Jackanapes of Usenet ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
An Ordained Minister & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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MY SHITTY WEBSITE: http://www.jackanapes.ws
MOCK JESUS FORUM: http://www.voy.com/20630/
"Well, how would you like to have someone come along and pick
something off of you?" - Apple Tree - The Wizard of Oz
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20 Mar 2007 02:54:37 PM |
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On Mar 20, 2:28 pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
Father Haskell wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:23 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vpg663o4fujff@corp.supernews.com...
"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R8WdnYI0ou57QWbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vmduhqbhvm7b9@corp.supernews.com...
[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been creat=
ed
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting c=
an
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the univer=
se
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a fallacio=
us
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you =
are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15
billion of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started=
to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang =
to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you=
had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the st=
art
of
our time and space, could have happened without some form of
intelligence
being behind that event.
There is no big bang in the bible.
Dear Mr. Haskell,
Please reread Genesis 1:1. Sounds exactly like the big bang to me.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.
Looks like he skipped a few steps.
Could one reasonably expect any better from a book of myth?
I've never had the pleasure to have read it, but The first V=E4in=E4m=F6inen
cycle
from the Kalevala probably has Genesis beaten in spades.
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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20 Mar 2007 01:44:59 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:52 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been created
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting can
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the universe
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a fallacious
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15
billion of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the start
of
our time and space, could have happened without some form of
intelligence
being behind that event.
There is no big bang in the bible.
Dear Mr. Haskell,
Please reread Genesis 1:1. Sounds exactly like the big bang to me.
I see you've still failed to tell us who created your creator.
--
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Nothing fails like prayer
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| User: "Unsaved White Trash" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
20 Mar 2007 02:13:49 PM |
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"Velvet Elvis" <VelvetElvis@BennyHinn.com> wrote in message
news:ioa003djevrmo2doebm89p5gvneb4nbthq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:52 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vpg663o4fujff@corp.supernews.com...
"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R8WdnYI0ou57QWbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vmduhqbhvm7b9@corp.supernews.com...
[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been
created
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile
for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating
it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting
can
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the
universe
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a
fallacious
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you
are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15
billion of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started
to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you
had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the
start
of
our time and space, could have happened without some form of
intelligence
being behind that event.
There is no big bang in the bible.
Dear Mr. Haskell,
Please reread Genesis 1:1. Sounds exactly like the big bang to me.
I see you've still failed to tell us who created your creator.
I think it was the Good Witch Glenda
--
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Nothing fails like prayer
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| User: "Unsaved White Trash" |
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| Title: Re: God rests on a logical fallacy. |
19 Mar 2007 11:51:52 AM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174320464.938932.270250@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 18, 1:38 pm, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vpg663o4fujff@corp.supernews.com...
"rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R8WdnYI0ou57QWbYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12vmduhqbhvm7b9@corp.supernews.com...
[snip]
If you looked at the painting and said "that must have been created
by
the
flying purple people eater, because i believe he is reposibile for
all
paintings" .. then you'd have a more preceise analogy for what
theist
claim.
The existence of the universe is not evidence for God creating it,
as
the
universe can exist without God creating it. Just as a painting can
be
painted without the purple people eater doing it.
Very interesting Jeckyl: Could you educate me a little further?
I don't know .. it depends on your willingness t obe educated
Can you please provide me a reference that explains how the universe
created
itself without a creator?
You are playing with words. You deliberately use the word 'created'
because
that implies a 'creator'. You're trying to lure me into a fallacious
argument.
Answer: the universe was not created, it has existed since the
beginning
of
time.
Mr. Jeckyl,
I'm very willing to be educated. I'm trying to understand what you are
saying.
As I understand it, there was a "big bang" that occurred about 15 billion
of
our years ago. That's when time and the space as we know it started to
exist. So far, on this issue, both this science and the Bible agree.
I'm
assuming you agree also. My question is "what caused this big bang to
happen?" I'm not trying to play with the words here. I thought you had
some reference I could go to that explains how this big bang, the start
of
our t | |
