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"Jason" |
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14 May 2007 03:58:54 PM |
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Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT
Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington
A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²
Already professor Walter Kehowski at Glendale Community College in Arizona
has been placed on forced administrative leave and the schoolıs chief has
recommended his termination.
"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).
On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²
Story Continues Below
Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.
On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²
These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²
However, MCCCD employees commonly use the "announcements² service to send
out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE.
On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on
administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he
be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend
himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5.
Kehowski contacted FIRE for help, and FIRE wrote to Glasper on April 25 to
protest the actions against Kehowski, asserting that e-mailing a
proclamation from George Washington or including a link to Pat Buchananıs
Web site does not constitute punishable harassment.
FIRE reminded Glasper that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that for
workplace expression to be considered "harassment,² it must be "severe or
pervasive enough to create an objectively hostile or abusive work
environment.²
Sending a link to a Web site, which readers can either visit or simply
ignore, does not fit this standard, FIRE maintains.
Glasper responded with a letter on April 30, but failed to address any of
FIREıs concerns, according to the groupıs statement.
"It is dark day for free speech and common sense in Arizona,² Lukianoff said.
"If the MCCCD believes at all in the importance of the right to free
expression, or even just in basic fairness, it will undo its illiberal
actions and exonerate professor Kehowski immediately.
"This situation is an embarrassment to MCCCD and would be laughable if a
professorıs most basic rights and very livelihood werenıt on the line.²
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 06:26:00 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
In other words, you're assuming without proof. How typically
Christian.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 08:22:15 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
It my opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
It's the opinion of MANY on alt.atheism that you're a psychopathic
moron. I guess that means that it's true, doesn't it?
If not, why should your opinion matter to anyone but you? (IOW,
you're either insane or irrelevant - there's no third option.)
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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14 May 2007 05:31:39 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 07:31:12 PM |
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In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vsog1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story. I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 May 2007 08:44:19 PM |
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Jason wrote:
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know
it happened because I believed the person that told the story. I once
had an atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
Why? You should have a reason to believe a person's story other than your
own perceptions (emphasis on perception) of a personal situation.
--
Geoff O'Furman
Head Coach, Varsity Hockey
University of Ediacara
AA #22??
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 10:51:16 PM |
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In article <4aCdnfQjTvLpjdTbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know
it happened because I believed the person that told the story. I once
had an atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
Why? You should have a reason to believe a person's story other than your
own perceptions (emphasis on perception) of a personal situation.
She rediculed Christians in class.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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15 May 2007 08:43:20 AM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <4aCdnfQjTvLpjdTbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know
it happened because I believed the person that told the story. I
once had an atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
Why? You should have a reason to believe a person's story other than
your own perceptions (emphasis on perception) of a personal
situation.
She rediculed Christians in class.
And completely irrelevant to the story you cited. Don't be such a tool. I'm
trying to work with you here.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 May 2007 10:01:43 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3bydnbj1Q_hlJdTbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com...
Jason wrote:
In article <4aCdnfQjTvLpjdTbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know
it happened because I believed the person that told the story. I
once had an atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
Why? You should have a reason to believe a person's story other than
your own perceptions (emphasis on perception) of a personal
situation.
She rediculed Christians in class.
And completely irrelevant to the story you cited. Don't be such a tool.
I'm trying to work with you here.
It's a poor workman that blames his tools ;)
Sorry, it just sorta slipped out :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Geoff" |
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15 May 2007 11:23:48 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
It's a poor workman that blames his tools ;)
Sorry, it just sorta slipped out :)
Apparently, you don't work in Quality Assurance! ;)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 May 2007 02:53:09 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nvydnZP49McIQ9TbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
It's a poor workman that blames his tools ;)
Sorry, it just sorta slipped out :)
Apparently, you don't work in Quality Assurance! ;)
Not since I last checked! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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14 May 2007 09:52:17 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <4aCdnfQjTvLpjdTbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know
it happened because I believed the person that told the story. I once
had an atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Jason
Why? You should have a reason to believe a person's story other than your
own perceptions (emphasis on perception) of a personal situation.
She rediculed Christians in class.
When I "came out" as an atheist in school, I was "rediculed" by
Christians... So what?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 May 2007 04:02:14 AM |
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On May 15, 8:31 am, (Jason) wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vs...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story. I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
Wait. Wait. You mean you WEREN'T THERE when this was supposed to
have happened? So this is heresay? Please, Jason, for just one post,
could you please learn to separate fact from fantasy?!
Martin
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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14 May 2007 06:36:45 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:31:12 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071731120001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vsog1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story.
Think about that for a minute: you know it is true because you believe
the person. All that you have done is repeat yourself.
I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
As I have said, you seem to have a big streak of paranoia. You just
know that you True Christians are hated by atheists.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 08:05:23 PM |
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In article <3ish43p10a8dlrnrv9j9r189auj8ldlu0f@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:31:12 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071731120001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vsog1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story.
Think about that for a minute: you know it is true because you believe
the person. All that you have done is repeat yourself.
I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
As I have said, you seem to have a big streak of paranoia. You just
know that you True Christians are hated by atheists.
Matt,
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class. In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the religions
(or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those professors was
an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were Christians.
jason
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 May 2007 08:46:23 PM |
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Jason wrote:
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class. In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the
religions (or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those
professors was an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were
Christians.
jason
So based on the actions of one person, you accept at face value the account
of an ultraright website. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 10:50:37 PM |
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In article <HsGdnUUx3b9tjdTbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class. In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the
religions (or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those
professors was an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were
Christians.
jason
So based on the actions of one person, you accept at face value the account
of an ultraright website. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
I also saw the professor interviewed on Fox News. That's the reason I
searched for the story on the web.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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15 May 2007 08:41:18 AM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <HsGdnUUx3b9tjdTbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college
professors treated me the same way they treated all the members of
the class. In those cases, the professors were not even concerned
about the religions (or lack of religions) of the students. Only
one of those professors was an outspoken atheist that rediculed
students that were Christians.
jason
So based on the actions of one person, you accept at face value the
account of an ultraright website. Don't you see how ridiculous that
is?
I also saw the professor interviewed on Fox News. That's the reason I
searched for the story on the web.
My question stands. Fox News is just the television extension of the
conservative voice. How much do you want to bet there wasa good reason for
the firing if looked at objectively.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 May 2007 04:34:57 AM |
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On May 15, 9:05 am, (Jason) wrote:
In article <3ish43p10a8dlrnrv9j9r189auj8ldl...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:31:12 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071731120...@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vs...@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260...@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4s...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story.
Think about that for a minute: you know it is true because you believe
the person. All that you have done is repeat yourself.
I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
As I have said, you seem to have a big streak of paranoia. You just
know that you True Christians are hated by atheists.
Matt,
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class. In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the religions
(or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those professors was
an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were Christians.
In a previous post you told us that you weren't even _in_ the class in
which Christians were supposedly being ridiculed and were basing your
opinion on what spomebody else told you.
Martin
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14 May 2007 08:21:10 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:05:23 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071805230001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <3ish43p10a8dlrnrv9j9r189auj8ldlu0f@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:31:12 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071731120001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vsog1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story.
Think about that for a minute: you know it is true because you believe
the person. All that you have done is repeat yourself.
I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
As I have said, you seem to have a big streak of paranoia. You just
know that you True Christians are hated by atheists.
Matt,
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class.
Don't you see just a bit of bigotry in that you show how knew their
religious views? I have to say that it never matter to me, and I
pretty much never knew (until grad school when I socialized with
professors) their religion at all. Yet you seem to have known and
categorized people in terms of their religious views.
In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the religions
(or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those professors was
an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were Christians.
I find that hard to believe except that there are professors that use
ridicule as a tool. I think that is terrible, but they do. I had one
who did that (no idea about his religious views) and he was a jerk of
the first order.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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14 May 2007 10:49:42 PM |
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In article <nj2i43prt5b82mn0jq84kv8nkoldn1flu1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:05:23 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071805230001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <3ish43p10a8dlrnrv9j9r189auj8ldlu0f@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:31:12 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071731120001@66-52-22-15.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1moh43501htqmvuttc4e71cnk65c7vsog1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT
offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
BFD. So people X hate some people Y for almost any X and Y.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands.
And you know it was an atheist how?
He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
How about people who make up stories like that? Because it sure sounds
like a made up story. In fact, it sounds like it came from a Chick
comic.
Matt,
If you choose to not believe that story--that is your choice. I know it
happened because I believed the person that told the story.
Think about that for a minute: you know it is true because you believe
the person. All that you have done is repeat yourself.
I once had an
atheist professor that appeared to hate Christians.
As I have said, you seem to have a big streak of paranoia. You just
know that you True Christians are hated by atheists.
Matt,
That's not true. Most of the Atheists that I had as college professors
treated me the same way they treated all the members of the class.
Don't you see just a bit of bigotry in that you show how knew their
religious views? I have to say that it never matter to me, and I
pretty much never knew (until grad school when I socialized with
professors) their religion at all. Yet you seem to have known and
categorized people in terms of their religious views.
In
those cases, the professors were not even concerned about the religions
(or lack of religions) of the students. Only one of those professors was
an outspoken atheist that rediculed students that were Christians.
I find that hard to believe except that there are professors that use
ridicule as a tool. I think that is terrible, but they do. I had one
who did that (no idea about his religious views) and he was a jerk of
the first order.
It was only one professor that used redicule. Sorry that you also had to
deal with a bad professor.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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15 May 2007 12:54:08 AM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:49:42 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405072049430001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <nj2i43prt5b82mn0jq84kv8nkoldn1flu1@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[snip]
I find that hard to believe except that there are professors that use
ridicule as a tool. I think that is terrible, but they do. I had one
who did that (no idea about his religious views) and he was a jerk of
the first order.
It was only one professor that used redicule. Sorry that you also had to
deal with a bad professor.
Thanks but it was not really a problem. The best moment was when he
tried to make fun of my LeMans. He must have thought that I had a pos
90's car. I looked him in the eye and, loud enough for the whole class
to hear, pointed out that it was a 1963 LaMans convertible, black
exterior, red interior, white top. I then informed him that the next
year the LaMans platform was used to build the Pontiac GTO, the first
American muscle car. So, I said, was quite happy with my LeMans. He
did not have as much fun making fun of me as I had with his making fun
of me.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Hatter" |
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15 May 2007 10:56:56 AM |
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On May 14, 6:31 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-1405071521260...@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4s...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
There is good evidence that Washington was an atheist. He never
attended any church and pointedly refused to go on record regarding
his religious views.
From what I've seen, he was a Deist who didn't hold Christianity in
that high of regard, but not the less didn't wish to alienate the
majority. Partially out of political expedience, partly because he was
extremely polite(to the point that prior to the outbreak of
hostilities that the European members of the court remarked on his
excellent manners)
Hatter
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
15 May 2007 12:30:29 AM |
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In article
<Jason-1405071358540001@66-52-22-37.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
(Jason) wrote:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT
Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington
Nowhere in the article does it say that those who complained were
atheists.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable" |
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14 May 2007 11:52:19 PM |
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In article <Jason-1405071358540001@66-52-22-37.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net>,
Jason <Jason@nospam.com> wrote:
"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).
On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²
If anybody here at the University of Waterloo sent a message to
every e-mail in-box on campus, it would not be tolerated.
Kehowski is a spammer. Like almost all spammers, he's also a
repeat offender:
"Math Professor Walter Kehowski, who has sent controversial
e-mails in the past, was placed on paid leave from his job at
Glendale Community College."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0508freespeechprof0508.html
Freedom of speech doesn't protect Kehowski's "right" to spam
any more than it protects my "right" to carve my very important
political message in your forehead with a pocket knife.
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David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 May 2007 12:41:31 AM |
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Jason wrote:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
I was required to take an ethics class for a board position.
It is considered unethical and *is* illegal to use things that don't belong
to you for your own personal gain.
Perhaps if it was a fire engine taken home because the firefighters car was
in the shop, Jason might understand.
Butr then he might just have read what was written.
"On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²
These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²"
It would not have mattered what the message was, but I bet none of the
christians on the list bothered to report the violation.
So much for their idea of absolute morality.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 May 2007 04:35:52 PM |
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Jason wrote:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
When this gets picked up by another source other than NewsMax...even a local
Arizona paper...then I'll bother with it.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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14 May 2007 05:04:37 PM |
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In article <loqdnQDKCtekS9XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Geoff said...
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
When this gets picked up by another source other than NewsMax...even a local
Arizona paper...then I'll bother with it.
Indeed, this broadly distributed account seems to be
traceable to a single original story, retold thousands of
times on the Conservative pipeline. Apparently no one
concerns himself with verifying details or background
before he passes the story to the next dupe down the line.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 06:37:14 PM |
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In article <MPG.20b2a6ff1d3d3e6698a4e6@newsgroups.comcast.net>, Brian E.
Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <loqdnQDKCtekS9XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Geoff said...
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
When this gets picked up by another source other than NewsMax...even a
local
Arizona paper...then I'll bother with it.
Indeed, this broadly distributed account seems to be
traceable to a single original story, retold thousands of
times on the Conservative pipeline. Apparently no one
concerns himself with verifying details or background
before he passes the story to the next dupe down the line.
Here is the speech that got the atheist professors so upset that they were
able to have the professor fired:
Thanksgiving Proclamation
[New York, 3 October 1789]
Page Image.
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and
humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of
Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the
People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be
observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of
Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to
establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November
next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that
great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good
that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in
rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and
protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a
Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable
interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and
conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union,
and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational
manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of
government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One
now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we
are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful
knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he
hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and
supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to
pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether
in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties
properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to
all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and
constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to
protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have
shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and
concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and
virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to
grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone
knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in
the year of our Lord 1789.
Go: Washington
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| User: "Martin" |
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14 May 2007 07:22:37 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <MPG.20b2a6ff1d3d3e6698a4e6@newsgroups.comcast.net>, Brian E.
Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <loqdnQDKCtekS9XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Geoff said...
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
When this gets picked up by another source other than NewsMax...even a
local
Arizona paper...then I'll bother with it.
Indeed, this broadly distributed account seems to be
traceable to a single original story, retold thousands of
times on the Conservative pipeline. Apparently no one
concerns himself with verifying details or background
before he passes the story to the next dupe down the line.
Here is the speech that got the atheist professors so upset that they were
able to have the professor fired:
I think that's the 6th time you spamming tosser
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 05:39:47 PM |
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In article <loqdnQDKCtekS9XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Jason wrote:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
When this gets picked up by another source other than NewsMax...even a local
Arizona paper...then I'll bother with it.
It will NOT be picked up by liberal newspapers--except for the newspaper
in the city where the college is located.
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