In article <3g1nh4-e7a2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:

Jason wrote:

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense. Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

Seeing as how you are not in Phoenix, I can pretty much assume you've
never set foot on the GCC campus.

Well, I have. You are wrong. There are a number of vocal ethnic groups
on campus that would have taken offense at this mass mailing. Till you
can show otherwise that it WAS atheists involved, I will place bets it
was probably one of the other groups.

The professor appeared on a television news show. I saw the interview. He
said the professors that complained were outspoken atheists.

that several other atheist professors told him that they were NOT offended
by his email or the speech. I am Christian and I had to deal with college
professors that were atheists.

and others treated me the same way he treated atheist. They were wonderful
people. I learned that SOME atheists do have a deep hate for Christians
and even rediculed Christian students.

NEVER redicule Christians and would not disrespect Christians.

speech that made those professors so upset. You are correct. I have not
visited that campus.

Thanksgiving Proclamation



[New York, 3 October 1789]
Page Image.

By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and
humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of
Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the
People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be
observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of
Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to
establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November
next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that
great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good
that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in
rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and
protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a
Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable
interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and
conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union,
and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational
manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of
government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One
now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we
are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful
knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he
hath been pleased to confer upon us.

and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and
supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to
pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether
in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties
properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to
all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and
constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to
protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have
shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and
concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and
virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to
grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone
knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in
the year of our Lord 1789.

Go: Washington

Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.



Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT

Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington

A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²

Already professor Walter Kehowski at Glendale Community College in Arizona
has been placed on forced administrative leave and the schoolıs chief has
recommended his termination.

"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).

On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²

Story Continues Below

Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.

On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²

These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²

However, MCCCD employees commonly use the "announcements² service to send
out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE.

On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on
administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he
be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend
himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5.

Kehowski contacted FIRE for help, and FIRE wrote to Glasper on April 25 to
protest the actions against Kehowski, asserting that e-mailing a
proclamation from George Washington or including a link to Pat Buchananıs
Web site does not constitute punishable harassment.

FIRE reminded Glasper that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that for
workplace expression to be considered "harassment,² it must be "severe or
pervasive enough to create an objectively hostile or abusive work
environment.²

Sending a link to a Web site, which readers can either visit or simply
ignore, does not fit this standard, FIRE maintains.

Glasper responded with a letter on April 30, but failed to address any of
FIREıs concerns, according to the groupıs statement.

"It is dark day for free speech and common sense in Arizona,²

Lukianoff said.

"If the MCCCD believes at all in the importance of the right to free
expression, or even just in basic fairness, it will undo its illiberal
actions and exonerate professor Kehowski immediately.

"This situation is an embarrassment to MCCCD and would be laughable if a
professorıs most basic rights and very livelihood werenıt on the line.²

--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

In article <3g1nh4-e7a2.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com>, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:

Jason wrote:

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense. Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

Seeing as how you are not in Phoenix, I can pretty much assume you've
never set foot on the GCC campus.

Well, I have. You are wrong. There are a number of vocal ethnic groups
on campus that would have taken offense at this mass mailing. Till you
can show otherwise that it WAS atheists involved, I will place bets it
was probably one of the other groups.

The professor appeared on a television news show. I saw the interview. He
said the professors that complained were outspoken atheists. He also said
that several other atheist professors told him that they were NOT offended
by his email or the speech. I am Christian and I had to deal with college
professors that were atheists. Some of them were seemed to hate Christians
and others treated me the same way he treated atheist. They were wonderful
people. I learned that SOME atheists do have a deep hate for Christians
and even rediculed Christian students. However, other professors would
NEVER redicule Christians and would not disrespect Christians. Here's the
speech that made those professors so upset. You are correct. I have not
visited that campus.

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense. Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.



Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT

Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington

A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²

Already professor Walter Kehowski at Glendale Community College in Arizona
has been placed on forced administrative leave and the schoolıs chief has
recommended his termination.

"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).

On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²

Story Continues Below

Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.

On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²

These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²

However, MCCCD employees commonly use the "announcements² service to send
out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE.

On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on
administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he
be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend
himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5.

Kehowski contacted FIRE for help, and FIRE wrote to Glasper on April 25 to
protest the actions against Kehowski, asserting that e-mailing a
proclamation from George Washington or including a link to Pat Buchananıs
Web site does not constitute punishable harassment.

FIRE reminded Glasper that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that for
workplace expression to be considered "harassment,² it must be "severe or
pervasive enough to create an objectively hostile or abusive work
environment.²

Sending a link to a Web site, which readers can either visit or simply
ignore, does not fit this standard, FIRE maintains.

Glasper responded with a letter on April 30, but failed to address any of
FIREıs concerns, according to the groupıs statement.

"It is dark day for free speech and common sense in Arizona,² Lukianoff said.

"If the MCCCD believes at all in the importance of the right to free
expression, or even just in basic fairness, it will undo its illiberal
actions and exonerate professor Kehowski immediately.

"This situation is an embarrassment to MCCCD and would be laughable if a
professorıs most basic rights and very livelihood werenıt on the line.²

--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense.

Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.



Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT

Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington

A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²

Already professor Walter Kehowski at Glendale Community College in Arizona
has been placed on forced administrative leave and the schoolıs chief has
recommended his termination.

"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).

On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²

Story Continues Below

Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.

On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²

These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²

However, MCCCD employees commonly use the "announcements² service to send
out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE.

On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on
administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he
be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend
himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5.

Kehowski contacted FIRE for help, and FIRE wrote to Glasper on April 25 to
protest the actions against Kehowski, asserting that e-mailing a
proclamation from George Washington or including a link to Pat Buchananıs
Web site does not constitute punishable harassment.

FIRE reminded Glasper that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that for
workplace expression to be considered "harassment,² it must be "severe or
pervasive enough to create an objectively hostile or abusive work
environment.²

Sending a link to a Web site, which readers can either visit or simply
ignore, does not fit this standard, FIRE maintains.

Glasper responded with a letter on April 30, but failed to address any of
FIREıs concerns, according to the groupıs statement.

"It is dark day for free speech and common sense in Arizona,² Lukianoff said.

"If the MCCCD believes at all in the importance of the right to free
expression, or even just in basic fairness, it will undo its illiberal
actions and exonerate professor Kehowski immediately.

"This situation is an embarrassment to MCCCD and would be laughable if a
professorıs most basic rights and very livelihood werenıt on the line.²

--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense. Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

In article <usfh435bi2jfgacv0b9gp1kv07is3eabtt@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

It's common sense. Christians and even most NON Christians would not have
been offended by anything that was written by George Washington.

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,

Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.



Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT

Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington

A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²