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14 May 2007 03:58:54 PM |
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Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Monday, May 7, 2007 2:06 p.m. EDT
Professor Forced Out for Citing George Washington
A tenured college professor is set to be fired for simply sending out an
e-mail to colleagues containing George Washingtonıs "Thanksgiving Day
Proclamation of 1789.²
Already professor Walter Kehowski at Glendale Community College in Arizona
has been placed on forced administrative leave and the schoolıs chief has
recommended his termination.
"It simply boggles the mind that a professor could find himself facing
termination simply for e-mailing the Thanksgiving address of our first
president,² said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for
Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).
On Nov. 22, 2006, the day before Thanksgiving, Kehowski, a professor in
mathematics in the Maricopa County Community College District (MCCCD) sent
the e-mail containing Washingtonıs message to all MCCCD employees, using a
district-wide service designated for "announcements.²
Story Continues Below
Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.
On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating
policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that "support education,
research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD
business.²
These policies also prohibit "mailings to large numbers of people that
contain unwanted solicitations or information.²
However, MCCCD employees commonly use the "announcements² service to send
out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE.
On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on
administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he
be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend
himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5.
Kehowski contacted FIRE for help, and FIRE wrote to Glasper on April 25 to
protest the actions against Kehowski, asserting that e-mailing a
proclamation from George Washington or including a link to Pat Buchananıs
Web site does not constitute punishable harassment.
FIRE reminded Glasper that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that for
workplace expression to be considered "harassment,² it must be "severe or
pervasive enough to create an objectively hostile or abusive work
environment.²
Sending a link to a Web site, which readers can either visit or simply
ignore, does not fit this standard, FIRE maintains.
Glasper responded with a letter on April 30, but failed to address any of
FIREıs concerns, according to the groupıs statement.
"It is dark day for free speech and common sense in Arizona,² Lukianoff said.
"If the MCCCD believes at all in the importance of the right to free
expression, or even just in basic fairness, it will undo its illiberal
actions and exonerate professor Kehowski immediately.
"This situation is an embarrassment to MCCCD and would be laughable if a
professorıs most basic rights and very livelihood werenıt on the line.²
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15 May 2007 09:57:13 AM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
And some atheists hate to eat their leafy green vegetables. What's your
point?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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14 May 2007 06:38:52 PM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Within weeks, five MCCCD employees filed harassment charges against
Kehowski, claiming his message was "hostile² and "derogatory.² They
complaining employees also cited the fact that the e-mail contained a link
to Pat Buchananıs Web site, where Kehowski had found Washingtonıs
proclamation. Buchanan, a conservative commentator, had also posted to his
Web site criticisms of immigration policies.
It would appear the good professor has a history of abusing this system to
send inflammatory links in violation of the district's electronic
communications policy.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=18529
From the above site:
"In the past, Kehowski has angered some employees and students with his
e-mails, leading to debate over academic freedom and how far professors can
go in expressing opinions.
"In 2003, Kehowski e-mailed employees several Internet links that contained
statements about Hispanics.
"The titles on the Web sites included, "Mexicans Think U.S. Belongs to
Them!" and "Mexican Double Standard."
"Glendale Community College administrators said Kehowski's postings were
abrasive and divisive, but said they could do little to prevent professors
from expressing their views outside class.
"Maricopa County Community College Chancellor Rufus Glasper notified
Kehowski on March 9 that he intended to recommend to the governing board
that Kehowski be dismissed. He said Kehowski's Nov. 22 e-mail violated the
district's electronic- communications policy, which bans using district
e-mail for private or personal matters."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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14 May 2007 09:08:51 PM |
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(Jason) wrote in
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Some atheists also seem to also hate free spee<CLIP>
Shaddap.
Oh, wait a minute...
***** it. *send*
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "BubbaGump BubbaGump@localhost" |
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14 May 2007 04:17:32 PM |
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I was too lazy to read the whole post, but what's wrong with atheists
hating Christians? Hate isn't the issue. Christians aren't bad
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable yet supposedly key to everyone's existence).
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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14 May 2007 04:38:59 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
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I was too lazy to read the whole post, but what's wrong with atheists
hating Christians? Hate isn't the issue. Christians aren't bad
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable yet supposedly key to everyone's existence).
They assume it's a generic hatred for all Christians. Not the negative
reaction to those who can't live and let live.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 May 2007 08:23:48 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
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because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 10:38:02 PM |
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In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 May 2007 10:00:11 AM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-1405072038030001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
Prove it.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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14 May 2007 09:40:03 PM |
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(Jason) writes:
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
One alleged deity "talking" to an alleged person.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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14 May 2007 09:47:38 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
Nearly Headless Nick spoke to Hermione Granger.
So what?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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15 May 2007 03:35:36 AM |
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On May 15, 11:38 am, (Jason) wrote:
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ue...@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
God doesn't even exist.
Martin
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 May 2007 07:33:50 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:38:02 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
I've yet to see any evidence that Moses even existed. Fairy tales
aren't evidence that they're true, only that they exist.
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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17 May 2007 12:45:41 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:al8n4357serkajvbnhbkmeepti197ispsu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:38:02 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
In article <vq2i43lujn7dk58b15f37utf1tvd4ueja5@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:17:32 -0400, BubbaGump <BubbaGump@localhost>
wrote:
because they're hateful. Many are very loving. They're bad because
they promote paranoid, delusional thinking (belief in a giant being
who is barely detectable
Really? I have yet to see ANY evidence that ANY god has EVER BEEN
detectable in ANY way.
Belief, sure. The god being believed in? Never.
God spoke to Moses.
I've yet to see any evidence that Moses even existed. Fairy tales
aren't evidence that they're true, only that they exist.
http://personalpages.tds.net/~theseeker/Moses.htm
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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14 May 2007 03:25:33 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 05:21:25 PM |
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In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington. The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians. One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
Jason
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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14 May 2007 05:31:44 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
It's common sense that it was atheists.
No it isn't.
Prove that it was atheists.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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14 May 2007 04:48:52 PM |
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In article <Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-
dia.impulse.net>, Jason said...
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
It's common sense that it was atheists.
Your prejudices don't amount to common sense.
Christians would NOT have been offended by
anything written by George Washington.
Your ignorance of history doesn't amount to evidence.
Washington certainly wrote much that would rile modern
right-wing Christians, who (in their authoritarian
tendencies) conflate their religious heroes with historical
figures, and thus remake those figures in their own image,
just as they rewrite history to suit their needs of the
moment. But what would they make of this?
Of all the animosities which have existed among
mankind, those which are caused by difference of
sentiments in religion appear to be the most
inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be
deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and
liberal policy, which has marked the present age,
would at least have reconciled Christians of every
denomination so far that we should never again see
the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as
to endanger the peace of society.
In other words, Washington hoped Christianity had matured
enough to be done with squabbling and theocracy. But
Fundamentalism didn't exist back then, so how could George
know what sorts of hateful, disputatious Christians would
someday claim him as one of their own?
Even more damning would be this:
...I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more
zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers
against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every
species of religious persecution.
Washington certainly was not anti-religious. But he
certainly would have dreaded the kind of divisive, power-
hungry brand of Christianity that makes so much noise in
today's United States.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Jason" |
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14 May 2007 06:53:33 PM |
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In article <MPG.20b2a351566bfb6798a4e4@newsgroups.comcast.net>, Brian E.
Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <Jason-1405071521260001@66-52-22-49.lsan.pw-
dia.impulse.net>, Jason said...
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
It's common sense that it was atheists.
Your prejudices don't amount to common sense.
Christians would NOT have been offended by
anything written by George Washington.
Your ignorance of history doesn't amount to evidence.
Washington certainly wrote much that would rile modern
right-wing Christians, who (in their authoritarian
tendencies) conflate their religious heroes with historical
figures, and thus remake those figures in their own image,
just as they rewrite history to suit their needs of the
moment. But what would they make of this?
Of all the animosities which have existed among
mankind, those which are caused by difference of
sentiments in religion appear to be the most
inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be
deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and
liberal policy, which has marked the present age,
would at least have reconciled Christians of every
denomination so far that we should never again see
the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as
to endanger the peace of society.
In other words, Washington hoped Christianity had matured
enough to be done with squabbling and theocracy. But
Fundamentalism didn't exist back then, so how could George
know what sorts of hateful, disputatious Christians would
someday claim him as one of their own?
Even more damning would be this:
...I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more
zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers
against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every
species of religious persecution.
Washington certainly was not anti-religious. But he
certainly would have dreaded the kind of divisive, power-
hungry brand of Christianity that makes so much noise in
today's United States.
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Good point. However, if I was a professor at a college and another
professor sent me an email that had the above words--I would NOT start a
compaign to get that professor fired. It's my opinion that those atheist
professors did not enjoy working with a Christian. They used the email as
their way of getting him fired. They probably saw the email and said--This
is it--We can finally get rid of him and we will make sure the person that
replaces him is a fellow atheist.
Here's the speech that caused the professor to the fired:
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Thanksgiving Proclamation
[New York, 3 October 1789]
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By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of
Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and
humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of
Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the
People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be
observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of
Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to
establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November
next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that
great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good
that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in
rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and
protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a
Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable
interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and
conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union,
and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational
manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of
government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One
now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we
are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful
knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he
hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and
supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to
pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether
in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties
properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to
all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and
constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to
protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have
shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and
concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and
virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to
grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone
knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in
the year of our Lord 1789.
Go: Washington
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| User: "cactus" |
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14 May 2007 05:31:53 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
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14 May 2007 07:18:38 PM |
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In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
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| User: "Martin" |
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14 May 2007 07:20:06 PM |
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Jason wrote:
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
I certanly don't, it was blatent misuse of his company email system. A
complaint to HR was more than justified, just as complaints to spammers'
ISPs are justified. Abuse is abuse, it's about consent not content.
If someone else had have started sending missives about satan to all and
sundry it would equally be abuse.
Jason
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 06:59:45 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he is
getting what he deserves.
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 08:08:46 PM |
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In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1159@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he is
getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 08:41:36 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1159@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don
Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of
another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have
been offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT
offended by the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate
Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate
atheists. In fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone
who does not belong to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told
everyone in class to look at the students that had their hands
raised. The professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God
that does not exist and probably also believe in Santa Clause and
the Easter Bunny." It my opinion that atheists like that
professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct.
Some Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of
other religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech.
Do you agree that those professors should NOT have started a
campaign to get that professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered
from some other posts that the guy was abusing the University
email system to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of
that series. As I said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about
his religion, and he is getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
If he was repeatedly warned to cease, why should atheists be above the rules
of the university?
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 08:40:55 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1159@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he is
getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
Exactly the same. No one has the right to force his or her religious (or
nonreligious) viewpoint on anyone else. Doing so constitutes abuse of
the email system.
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 10:52:11 PM |
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In article <Hc82i.3129$LR5.203@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1159@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists. In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told
everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he is
getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
Exactly the same. No one has the right to force his or her religious (or
nonreligious) viewpoint on anyone else. Doing so constitutes abuse of
the email system.
I understand. You are consistent.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
15 May 2007 09:59:29 AM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-1405072052120001@66-52-22-47.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
In article <Hc82i.3129$LR5.203@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1159@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <jr52i.3151$zj3.2314@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
bm1@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
Jason@nospam.com
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists. Christians would NOT have
been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
What makes you so certain of this?
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT
offended by
the article. The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
Many more Christians, at the ones in this these NGs, hate atheists.
In
fact they have shown hatred and disdain for anyone who does not
belong
to their particular sect of Christianity.
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told
everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not
exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny." It
my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
You impute hate because he doesn't agree with your theology? You'd
better hate me and all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists and
members of any non-JW faith group.
Isn't that what you are taught anyway?
Jason
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you
agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered
from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email
system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As
I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he
is
getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
Exactly the same. No one has the right to force his or her religious (or
nonreligious) viewpoint on anyone else. Doing so constitutes abuse of
the email system.
I understand. You are consistent.
Did you expect anything different?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
15 May 2007 04:37:12 AM |
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On May 15, 9:08 am, (Jason) wrote:
In article <IJ62i.3566$mR2.1...@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
b...@nonespam.com wrote:
Jason wrote:
Hello,
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
Jason
No, I would not agree without knowing the circumstances. I gathered from
some other posts that the guy was abusing the University email system
to send proselytizing messages, and this was part of that series. As I
said earlier, the guy was being obnoxious about his religion, and he is
getting what he deserves.
Would you feel the same if a professor was advocating atheism and his
atheism organization in his emails?
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=18529
From the above site:
"In the past, Kehowski has angered some employees and students with
his
e-mails, leading to debate over academic freedom and how far
professors can
go in expressing opinions.
"In 2003, Kehowski e-mailed employees several Internet links that
contained
statements about Hispanics.
"The titles on the Web sites included, "Mexicans Think U.S. Belongs
to
Them!" and "Mexican Double Standard."
"Glendale Community College administrators said Kehowski's postings
were
abrasive and divisive, but said they could do little to prevent
professors
from expressing their views outside class.
"Maricopa County Community College Chancellor Rufus Glasper notified
Kehowski on March 9 that he intended to recommend to the governing
board
that Kehowski be dismissed. He said Kehowski's Nov. 22 e-mail violated
the
district's electronic- communications policy, which bans using
district
e-mail for private or personal matters."
He was doing a lot more than just spreading his Christian beliefs and
you know it.
Martin
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 07:07:42 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 17:18:38 -0700 there was an Ancient
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
You made some good points. I hate to say it but you are correct. Some
Christians do hate atheists and people that are members of other
religions. I do not hate anyone and I believe in free speech. Do you agree
that those professors should NOT have started a campaign to get that
professor fired?
I'm not ready to say.
First of all, he violated the terms of service for his school's email
system. He spammed dozens of people with a message that, to some,
might be offensive.
Secondly, firing a tenured professor is nearly impossible. It takes a
major event (like getting arrested and convicted of a felony) or a
pattern of offenses to reach the point where a tenured prof is
removed. Tenure exists to give academics protection from the fear of
retribution. This allows them to pursue controversial research, teach
provocative classes, and do all the things that great teachers do.
So I'd have to hear more. You're trying to get me to judge based on
what could be the last straw.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Proof: Some Atheists Hate Christians |
14 May 2007 05:46:34 PM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
In article <5dhh43d8k38n896s4mi6q0kf87fcp4srra@4ax.com>, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:58:54 -0700,
(Jason) let us all know that:
Some atheists also seem to also hate free speech.
Prove it was atheists.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
It's common sense that it was atheists.
"Common sense" is often wrong. That's why we developed this thing
called "logic" to supercede it.
Christians would NOT have been
offended by anything written by George Washington.
How do you know that? Do you speak for all Christians? Are you
familiar with everything Washington ever wrote? Sounds like
presumption approaching hubris on your part.
The professor (in an
interview) stated that several athiests stated they were NOT offended by
the article.
Yet what you don't state is that he stated that some atheists said
that they WERE offended by it. Why is that?
The truth is that SOME atheists hate Christians.
I'm sure that's true, just as it's true that some Christians hate
atheists, some Muslims hate Jews, some Jews hate Mormons, some Mormons
hate Zoroastrians... what's your point?
One atheist
professor asked all of the students to raise their hands. He told everyone
in class to look at the students that had their hands raised. The
professor stated, "These studnents believe in a God that does not exist
and probably also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny."
Your anecdote makes no sense. Did you leave something out?
It my
opinion that atheists like that professor hate Christians.
It's my opinion that you're BSing, and no such professor exists.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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