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"J Young" |
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22 Mar 2006 02:16:20 PM |
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Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
Why does the liberal establishment object so vehemently to a "Conscience
Clause" for pharmacists. Why must these pharmacists be forced to sell wares
that will ultimately lead to killing a pre-born baby,( if their conscience
objects to such things ) Whatever became of the First Amendment? More info.
on the subject at this website:
http://www.pfli.org/main.php?pfli=conscienceclausefaq
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" The truth shall set you free "
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 03:17:37 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 04:04:24 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
It may not be Truth that all living things die. There may be
somewhere where livings things do not die. But here and not it is
a fact that living things die.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 07:35:42 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth. At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth. Without it, observation is no
more.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment. There is no judgment in "facts." It is therefore inferior.
There may be
somewhere where livings things do not die.
That may be a possibility.
But here and not it is
a fact that living things die.
I think we have to keep in mind that fact and Truth are siply not
interchangeable for the reasons given in my above distinction between
the two. To cling to facts over Truth is to settle for an inferior Yugo
and claiming that it is superior to a BMW. It doesn't really make much
sense to think that way.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 08:20:14 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 11:56:57 PM |
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In article <4425fa5e$0$58052$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for
you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my
taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single
penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
I clearly remember observing Bush as he swore Iraq had WMD's.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
25 Mar 2006 10:55:26 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that liberals are totally full of sh*t. |
26 Mar 2006 01:02:49 AM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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26 Mar 2006 05:45:09 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument. There is nothing to respond to.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what your argument boils down to and that word is a
nothing.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that neocons are totally full of sh*t. |
26 Mar 2006 12:17:08 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
That's why you're an ...
Idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Proof that neocons are totally full of sh*t. |
27 Mar 2006 02:35:01 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Firstly, I am not gone. Secondly, I can give you an example of a fact
without truth: "The earth is flat" is a fact without truth. Now, you
can say that "The earth is flat" is not a fact. Right you are...because
without truth, there are no facts. This is the "nonsense" that I was
spouting...well, YOU called it that.
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27 Mar 2006 12:20:46 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong. Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts. Show us
your genious.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Response to what?
That's why you're an ...
Idiot.
No need to respond to ad-homs...
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Proof that neocons are totally full of sh*t. |
27 Mar 2006 11:45:55 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes. Is it a fact that the average
maximum age is about 80 years? Yes.
And so on.
Facts without Truth.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Response to what?
"Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient."
Idiot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Proof that neocons are totally full of sh*t. |
28 Mar 2006 11:03:49 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that? You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past. We could
have missed someone who did. Therefore, you have no fact here...you
have speculation since you have inadequate data. Adequate data for
"nobody has lived longer than 130 years" is a record of age at the time
of death of every person that ever lived. Do you have that? If not, you
have speculation, not fact.
Is it a fact that the average
maximum age is about 80 years? Yes.
Tell me something. If this was not true... wold it be a fact?
And so on.
Speculations on inadequate data do not a fact make. Just like the
speculation that the earth was flat did not make it a fact.
Facts without Truth.
Nonsense. If the facts were not true, they would cease to exist as
facts. You can't get away from the truth.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Response to what?
"Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient."
You have yet to respond to the line of reasoning in my second message,
which you ran away from. That message outlines the reasoning that you
have so far tried to avoid with idle speculation as a sleight of hand
trick substitution for facts. You are pulling magic tricks and the end
result here is not entertainment, but outright fraud.
Idiot.
Charlatan.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Proof that neocons are totally full of sh*t. |
28 Mar 2006 10:58:34 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
We could
have missed someone who did.
You could win the lottery.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Response to what?
"Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient."
You have yet to respond to the line of reasoning in my second message,
which you ran away from. That message outlines the reasoning that you
have so far tried to avoid with idle speculation as a sleight of hand
trick substitution for facts.
Ad hominem and smokescreen.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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29 Mar 2006 12:51:26 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
We could
have missed someone who did.
You could win the lottery.
Tell it to someone who did.
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29 Mar 2006 12:48:47 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
We could
have missed someone who did.
You could win the lottery.
It may not be Truth that all living things die.
Then again, it may be a fact that all living things die. It is not a
Truth that all living things die. A truth requires the moral component
of judgment.
Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient.
Only the Truth is omniscient.
Idiot.
That one word is what
You didn't have any response so you farted some nonsense and ran away.
Response to what?
"Which requires the arrogant belief that one is omniscient."
You have yet to respond to the line of reasoning in my second message,
which you ran away from. That message outlines the reasoning that you
have so far tried to avoid with idle speculation as a sleight of hand
trick substitution for facts.
Ad hominem and smokescreen.
That is an interesting tactic...Using an accusation of a smokescreen
for a smokescreen. Need I point out that you were the first to hurl ad
homenims and mine happens to be backed up by your lack of response to
my arguments...which you will now claim are nothing more than
assertions, claims without any backing...etc. That is called a
dismissal and is nothing more than a *****-poor excuse for not dealing
with the truth. You are the one who first accused me of running
away...but I doubt that an olympic runner could keep up with your
running away from the presented argument...oh...yes...of course it is
not an argument...so it is OK to run away from it. Baloney gives me
hartburn and you have been shoveling it by the truckload as shown by
your mischarictarization and redefinition of my argument. You arrogance
is pretty obvious from the content of your responses and baseless
accusations.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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29 Mar 2006 11:23:33 PM |
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<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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30 Mar 2006 11:31:22 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You are the one who raised peripheral issues. Now, let's get back to
the central one and show me a fact that isn't true, but is still a
fact.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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03 Apr 2006 10:57:00 AM |
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wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You are the one who raised peripheral issues. Now, let's get back to
the central one and show me a fact that isn't true, but is still a
fact.
Addendum and Summation of the debate: Ray Fisher has no answer to my
last request. Therefore, we can safely assume that he has gone hiding.
He cannot come up with the answer because he doesn't have one. My
assertions are true...without truth there can be no facts and in fact
without truth, there could be nothing. Truth is supreme and when judged
by the truth, Ray Fisher is found to be wanting. Someday, when he
stands before the truth, he will have as much of an answer to the
question posed to him as he does today. Simply put, none and the Truth
will render His judgment.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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03 Apr 2006 11:45:29 PM |
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<> wrote:
wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
<> wrote:
Paul Duca wrote:
How much of your taxes has your Christian God paid for you?
The Truth has been responsible for all of my income and my taxes and
everything else that I have ever had and ever will have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
Not me. On the contrary. Without Truth, there would be no facts.
Because...?
Facts
owe their existence to the truth.
Or not.
How so? If there is no truth, how can there be facts?
Facts don't depend upon Truth. They only depend upon observable and
repeatable events.
There can be no observation without the Truth.
Why not?
No answer.
At the heart of the
concept of observation is the Truth.
Nope.
No response.
"Nope" is not an argument.
Your statement wasn't an argument. It was an absurd assertion with
nothing to back it up.
If it was a wrong assertion...show where it is wrong.
If my rejection of your claim was wrong then prove it wrong.
Show us how our
inability to judge what is true leads to a truckload of facts.
All people die. Is that truth? Unknown. Is it a fact that nobody
has lived longer than 130 years? Yes.
How do you know that?
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You are the one who raised peripheral issues. Now, let's get back to
the central one and show me a fact that isn't true, but is still a
fact.
Addendum and Summation of the debate: Ray Fisher has no answer to my
last request.
You were apparently too stupid to understand the first time. I'll
repeat.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You're a wate of time. Go away.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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05 Apr 2006 11:32:23 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
yarrido@aol.com <yarrido@aol.com> wrote:
ill have.
Because you say so?
Without the
Truth, I would never be even capable of ever gaining a single penny to
pay for anything.
Why not?
If there was no truth,
Equivocation.
You're pretending that Truth is the same as everyday facts.
And there is the diffewrence between facts and truth.
You have not been around from the begining of
time and no records exist beyond a certain time in the past.
It is not rational to assume that people lived longer in the distant
past.
That is not what I said. What if someone lived 131 years and then
died. There goes your original assertion...right down the drain and it
is not a fact that you stated. Therefore, my statement stands and yours
falls.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You are the one who raised peripheral issues. Now, let's get back to
the central one and show me a fact that isn't true, but is still a
fact.
Addendum and Summation of the debate: Ray Fisher has no answer to my
last request.
You were apparently too stupid to understand the first time. I'll
repeat.
You are an idiot who is now reduced to quibbling over peripheral
issues because you can no longer defend your premise.
You call it peripheral, but it is foundational to the discussion. You
had a faulty foundation on which you based your debate and I showed you
that the roof fell off because of it. You call the foundation
insignificant and unimportant by calling it peripheral.
You're a wate of time. Go away.
I can go away, but the truth won't. You would much rather that the
truth went away...that there was no truth. However, the truth is
everywhere that is why we call Him God.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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