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"Budikka666" |
| Date: |
27 Apr 2006 04:42:58 AM |
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Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/04/17/lunar.rocks/index.html
"New dating of lunar rocks add to a growing body of evidence that the
moon and Earth were pelted by a flurry of large meteorites during a
relatively brief geologic time span about 3.9 billion years ago. Known
as the "Late Heavy Bombardment," or LHB, this period of heightened
meteorite activity would have had important implications for life on
Earth, since it coincides roughly with the time that scientists think
the first primitive bacteria appeared on our planet."
Where, in Genesis, does it even hint that this happened? Nowhere. The
writers had no clue about this. They never even imagined it! Yet if
the Earth is only 6,000 or so years old as Bible Chronology spells out,
and humans were here almost from day one, they cannot have failed to
have seen it. It cannot have failed to have left an indelible
impression on them. Yet not a word about this massive storm of rocks
form the sky is mentioned anywhere in human history.
This proves that the Bible lies. Earth cannot be 6,000 years old.
Humans cannot have been here from within a week of its inception.
And that pummeling wasn't the only one. There have been repeated,
massive meteor strikes like this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4779482.stm
"A giant crater made by a meteorite impact millions of years ago has
been discovered in Egypt's western desert. Boston University experts
found the 31km (19 mile) wide crater while studying satellite images of
the area. It is more than twice the size of the next largest Saharan
impact depression and more than 25 times the size of Arizona's famous
Meteor Crater."
If the Earth is only 6K years old or so, as the Bible maintains, this
impact would not have failed to have been noticed by the Bible writers,
but they make absolutely no mention of it whatsoever.
Neither were they inspired to mention this by any god. Because there
isn't one. However, I'm sure if you disagree with me, you'll offer
scientifically valid evidence supporting your argument - won't you?
Budikka
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| User: "R.D. Heilman" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 12:30:27 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146130978.607627.176540@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/04/17/lunar.rocks/index.html
"New dating of lunar rocks add to a growing body of evidence that the
moon and Earth were pelted by a flurry of large meteorites during a
relatively brief geologic time span about 3.9 billion years ago. Known
as the "Late Heavy Bombardment," or LHB, this period of heightened
meteorite activity would have had important implications for life on
Earth, since it coincides roughly with the time that scientists think
the first primitive bacteria appeared on our planet."
Where, in Genesis, does it even hint that this happened? Nowhere. The
writers had no clue about this. They never even imagined it! Yet if
the Earth is only 6,000 or so years old as Bible Chronology spells out,
I readily admit, I'm no expert of the Bible, but no one has pointed
out a passage where the Bible claims the Earth is 6,000 years old.
If the accuser cannot, then the accuser is the _real_ liar.
and humans were here almost from day one, they cannot have failed to
have seen it.
I suspect another falsehood falsely attributed to the Bible. Point to
the Bible verse(s) that claims that humans were here _from_ day
one. If the accouser cannot, then he is the _liar_.
<snip>
RD
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| User: "_AnonCoward" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 03:17:54 PM |
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"R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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: "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
: news:1146130978.607627.176540@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
:
: > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/04/17/lunar.rocks/index.html
: >
: > "New dating of lunar rocks add to a growing body of evidence that the
: > moon and Earth were pelted by a flurry of large meteorites during a
: > relatively brief geologic time span about 3.9 billion years ago. Known
: > as the "Late Heavy Bombardment," or LHB, this period of heightened
: > meteorite activity would have had important implications for life on
: > Earth, since it coincides roughly with the time that scientists think
: > the first primitive bacteria appeared on our planet."
: >
: > Where, in Genesis, does it even hint that this happened? Nowhere. The
: > writers had no clue about this. They never even imagined it! Yet if
: > the Earth is only 6,000 or so years old as Bible Chronology spells out,
: >
: I readily admit, I'm no expert of the Bible, but no one has pointed
: out a passage where the Bible claims the Earth is 6,000 years old.
: If the accuser cannot, then the accuser is the _real_ liar.
:
:
: > and humans were here almost from day one, they cannot have failed to
: > have seen it.
: >
: I suspect another falsehood falsely attributed to the Bible. Point to
: the Bible verse(s) that claims that humans were here _from_ day
: one. If the accouser cannot, then he is the _liar_.
The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible to
argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place the
creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
earth and the heavens,
and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
man to till the ground.
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
a living soul.
The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
creation.
Ralf
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Those who assert that scripture is inerrant or is to be
understood literally invariably find themselves confronted
with the need to ignore or distort the plain meaning of the
text. In the process, they change the scriptures to bring
them into conformance with their doctrine rather than
modifying their doctrine to bring it into conformance with
scripture.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 04:16:20 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:17:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , "_AnonCoward"
<abcdef@uvwxyz.com> in <SF94g.9208$P65.5023@southeast.rr.com> wrote:
[snip]
The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible to
argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place the
creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
earth and the heavens,
and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
man to till the ground.
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
a living soul.
The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
creation.
Here is the thing. Clearly there are two distinct creation stories.
Not only that, but Genesis 1, particularly, and the Flood story are
clearly versions of contemporaneous Babylonian stories. Do you think
that the people who wrote this were somehow blithering idiots or did
they, perhaps, actually realize this? The text is some 2500 or so
years old. It predates newspapers. More to the point it predates
Herodotus and the whole notion of *history* books. Genesis 1 is not an
attempt to recount a history, neither is Genesis 2. These stories lay
out and explain the religion. Genesis 1 contrast Elohiem with the
various Babylonian gods. It states that God is not the stars, God is
not the ocean, God is not the Sun, etc. ISTM that this is the
"obvious" meaning to someone of the time, the notion that the story
was simply to recount a accurate historical narrative would have
bewildered them. That is not how such stories work, that is not why
they exist.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "_AnonCoward" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 10:13:31 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:6rc25292vsp6n8qednkjms8805qmef69jp@4ax.com...
:
: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:17:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , "_AnonCoward"
: <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> in <SF94g.9208$P65.5023@southeast.rr.com> wrote:
:
: [snip]
:
: >The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible
: >to argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place
: >the creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
: >
: >Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
: >
: >
: > These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
: > when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
: > earth and the heavens,
: >
: >
: > and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
: > every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
: > not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
: > man to till the ground.
: >
: >
: > But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
: > face of the ground.
: >
: >
: > And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
: > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
: > a living soul.
: >
: >
: >The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
: >heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
: >creation.
: >
:
: Here is the thing. Clearly there are two distinct creation stories.
: Not only that, but Genesis 1, particularly, and the Flood story are
: clearly versions of contemporaneous Babylonian stories. Do you think
: that the people who wrote this were somehow blithering idiots or did
: they, perhaps, actually realize this? The text is some 2500 or so
: years old. It predates newspapers. More to the point it predates
: Herodotus and the whole notion of *history* books. Genesis 1 is not an
: attempt to recount a history, neither is Genesis 2. These stories lay
: out and explain the religion. Genesis 1 contrast Elohiem with the
: various Babylonian gods. It states that God is not the stars, God is
: not the ocean, God is not the Sun, etc. ISTM that this is the
: "obvious" meaning to someone of the time, the notion that the story
: was simply to recount a accurate historical narrative would have
: bewildered them. That is not how such stories work, that is not why
: they exist.
:
:
: --
: Matt Silberstein
I take no particular exception to that. The title of this thread, that the
Bible "lies" (or more to the point, the people who wrote the texts that make
up the Bible lied), is just silly. The absolute worse that could be said is
that those authors believed what they wrote and were simply mistaken. Saying
something that is factually inaccurate does not in and of itself constitute
a lie - there has to be an intent to deceive (usually with malice) and I see
no evidence for that.
Whether or not the original authors of Genesis intended their text to be
understood as factual accounts of creation is a question I cannot answer.
That said, I gather that other Biblical characters considered the persons of
the Genesis narratives (and others) to be historical figures. John the
Baptist speaks of Abraham, Jesus speaks of Jonah, and Paul writes of Adam
and Cain in ways that suggests to me they considered the basic narratives
to be factually correct: there was an original person named Adam; Cain
really did exist and murder his brother; Noah really did ride out a global
flood in an ark; Jonah really was swallowed by a great fish and lived in its
belly for three days and nights. Etc. That particular approach to the text
would appear to be alive and well today.
Ralf
--
AA# 2250
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* ^~^ ^~^ *
* _ {~ ~} {~ ~} _ *
* /_``>*< >*<''_\ *
* (\--_)++) (++(_--/) *
-----------------------------------------------------------
We must at all times stand in opposition to the entanglement
of religious authority with political power. The outcome is
invariably an abomination.
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
30 Apr 2006 05:28:21 AM |
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"_AnonCoward" <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> skrev i melding news:vLf4g.9820$P65.5583@southeast.rr.com...
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:6rc25292vsp6n8qednkjms8805qmef69jp@4ax.com...
:
: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:17:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , "_AnonCoward"
: <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> in <SF94g.9208$P65.5023@southeast.rr.com> wrote:
:
: [snip]
:
: >The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible
: >to argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place
: >the creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
: >
: >Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
: >
: >
: > These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
: > when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
: > earth and the heavens,
: >
: >
: > and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
: > every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
: > not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
: > man to till the ground.
: >
: >
: > But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
: > face of the ground.
: >
: >
: > And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
: > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
: > a living soul.
: >
: >
: >The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
: >heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
: >creation.
: >
:
: Here is the thing. Clearly there are two distinct creation stories.
: Not only that, but Genesis 1, particularly, and the Flood story are
: clearly versions of contemporaneous Babylonian stories. Do you think
: that the people who wrote this were somehow blithering idiots or did
: they, perhaps, actually realize this? The text is some 2500 or so
: years old. It predates newspapers. More to the point it predates
: Herodotus and the whole notion of *history* books. Genesis 1 is not an
: attempt to recount a history, neither is Genesis 2. These stories lay
: out and explain the religion. Genesis 1 contrast Elohiem with the
: various Babylonian gods. It states that God is not the stars, God is
: not the ocean, God is not the Sun, etc. ISTM that this is the
: "obvious" meaning to someone of the time, the notion that the story
: was simply to recount a accurate historical narrative would have
: bewildered them. That is not how such stories work, that is not why
: they exist.
:
:
: --
: Matt Silberstein
I take no particular exception to that. The title of this thread, that the
Bible "lies" (or more to the point, the people who wrote the texts that make
up the Bible lied), is just silly. The absolute worse that could be said is
that those authors believed what they wrote and were simply mistaken. Saying
something that is factually inaccurate does not in and of itself constitute
a lie - there has to be an intent to deceive (usually with malice) and I see
no evidence for that.
Whether or not the original authors of Genesis intended their text to be
understood as factual accounts of creation is a question I cannot answer.
That said, I gather that other Biblical characters considered the persons of
the Genesis narratives (and others) to be historical figures. John the
Baptist speaks of Abraham, Jesus speaks of Jonah, and Paul writes of Adam
and Cain in ways that suggests to me they considered the basic narratives
to be factually correct: there was an original person named Adam; Cain
really did exist and murder his brother; Noah really did ride out a global
flood in an ark; Jonah really was swallowed by a great fish and lived in its
belly for three days and nights. Etc. That particular approach to the text
would appear to be alive and well today.
Ralf
--
Exactly! When we don't understand a text we don't just yell out lies lies. We must
see that it was truthful and honest writings from its form and content. This is no problem
for theological scientists who have no doubts about the gospels of the bible, and that
the last one of Judas now in place, is telling it as it was. Judas' gospel was a little different
than the rest (they were all different), but the very same stories, and the thread of it is
the very same. Also,intimate details were reveiled in it, that Jesus thought the world of
Judas, that he was the brightest star helping the fulfillment of the prophecy come true.
Judas served his purpose and it was meant to be. Also Jesus told him secrets about the
Heavenly Kingdom - it being a vast and enormous space that noone can imagine, and that
God himself didn't actually create the earth all by himself (!), it was other beings who did.. or
something to that effect. Well, who knows.
Saba
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| User: "¬Saba Gracile¬" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
30 Apr 2006 05:29:56 AM |
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"¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> skrev i melding news:KPqdnTHcQr7bDMnZ4p2dnA@telenor.com...
"_AnonCoward" <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> skrev i melding news:vLf4g.9820$P65.5583@southeast.rr.com...
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:6rc25292vsp6n8qednkjms8805qmef69jp@4ax.com...
:
: On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:17:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , "_AnonCoward"
: <abcdef@uvwxyz.com> in <SF94g.9208$P65.5023@southeast.rr.com> wrote:
:
: [snip]
:
: >The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible
: >to argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place
: >the creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
: >
: >Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
: >
: >
: > These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
: > when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
: > earth and the heavens,
: >
: >
: > and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
: > every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
: > not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
: > man to till the ground.
: >
: >
: > But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
: > face of the ground.
: >
: >
: > And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
: > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
: > a living soul.
: >
: >
: >The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
: >heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
: >creation.
: >
:
: Here is the thing. Clearly there are two distinct creation stories.
: Not only that, but Genesis 1, particularly, and the Flood story are
: clearly versions of contemporaneous Babylonian stories. Do you think
: that the people who wrote this were somehow blithering idiots or did
: they, perhaps, actually realize this? The text is some 2500 or so
: years old. It predates newspapers. More to the point it predates
: Herodotus and the whole notion of *history* books. Genesis 1 is not an
: attempt to recount a history, neither is Genesis 2. These stories lay
: out and explain the religion. Genesis 1 contrast Elohiem with the
: various Babylonian gods. It states that God is not the stars, God is
: not the ocean, God is not the Sun, etc. ISTM that this is the
: "obvious" meaning to someone of the time, the notion that the story
: was simply to recount a accurate historical narrative would have
: bewildered them. That is not how such stories work, that is not why
: they exist.
:
:
: --
: Matt Silberstein
I take no particular exception to that. The title of this thread, that the
Bible "lies" (or more to the point, the people who wrote the texts that make
up the Bible lied), is just silly. The absolute worse that could be said is
that those authors believed what they wrote and were simply mistaken. Saying
something that is factually inaccurate does not in and of itself constitute
a lie - there has to be an intent to deceive (usually with malice) and I see
no evidence for that.
Whether or not the original authors of Genesis intended their text to be
understood as factual accounts of creation is a question I cannot answer.
That said, I gather that other Biblical characters considered the persons of
the Genesis narratives (and others) to be historical figures. John the
Baptist speaks of Abraham, Jesus speaks of Jonah, and Paul writes of Adam
and Cain in ways that suggests to me they considered the basic narratives
to be factually correct: there was an original person named Adam; Cain
really did exist and murder his brother; Noah really did ride out a global
flood in an ark; Jonah really was swallowed by a great fish and lived in its
belly for three days and nights. Etc. That particular approach to the text
would appear to be alive and well today.
Ralf
--
Exactly! When we don't understand a text we don't just yell out lies lies. We must
see that it was truthful and honest writings from its form and content. This is no problem
for theological scientists who have no doubts about the gospels of the bible, and that
the last one of Judas now in place, is telling it as it was. Judas' gospel was a little different
than the rest (they were all different), but the very same stories, and the thread of it is
the very same. Also,intimate details were reveiled in it, that Jesus thought the world of
Judas, that he was the brightest star helping the fulfillment of the prophecy come true.
Judas served his purpose and it was meant to be. Also Jesus told him secrets about the
Heavenly Kingdom - it being a vast and enormous space that noone can imagine, and that
God himself didn't actually create the earth all by himself (!), it was other beings who did.. or
something to that effect. Well, who knows.
Saba
oh I remember now, I think. God made the heaven and earth, but the creatures on it, he didn't
make.
So be it.
S
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 11:36:23 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:13:31 GMT, in alt.atheism , "_AnonCoward"
<abcdef@uvwxyz.com> in <vLf4g.9820$P65.5583@southeast.rr.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:6rc25292vsp6n8qednkjms8805qmef69jp@4ax.com...
[snip]
: Here is the thing. Clearly there are two distinct creation stories.
: Not only that, but Genesis 1, particularly, and the Flood story are
: clearly versions of contemporaneous Babylonian stories. Do you think
: that the people who wrote this were somehow blithering idiots or did
: they, perhaps, actually realize this? The text is some 2500 or so
: years old. It predates newspapers. More to the point it predates
: Herodotus and the whole notion of *history* books. Genesis 1 is not an
: attempt to recount a history, neither is Genesis 2. These stories lay
: out and explain the religion. Genesis 1 contrast Elohiem with the
: various Babylonian gods. It states that God is not the stars, God is
: not the ocean, God is not the Sun, etc. ISTM that this is the
: "obvious" meaning to someone of the time, the notion that the story
: was simply to recount a accurate historical narrative would have
: bewildered them. That is not how such stories work, that is not why
: they exist.
:
:
: --
: Matt Silberstein
I take no particular exception to that. The title of this thread, that the
Bible "lies" (or more to the point, the people who wrote the texts that make
up the Bible lied), is just silly. The absolute worse that could be said is
that those authors believed what they wrote and were simply mistaken. Saying
something that is factually inaccurate does not in and of itself constitute
a lie - there has to be an intent to deceive (usually with malice) and I see
no evidence for that.
Whether or not the original authors of Genesis intended their text to be
understood as factual accounts of creation is a question I cannot answer.
That said, I gather that other Biblical characters considered the persons of
the Genesis narratives (and others) to be historical figures. John the
Baptist speaks of Abraham, Jesus speaks of Jonah, and Paul writes of Adam
and Cain in ways that suggests to me they considered the basic narratives
to be factually correct: there was an original person named Adam; Cain
really did exist and murder his brother; Noah really did ride out a global
flood in an ark; Jonah really was swallowed by a great fish and lived in its
belly for three days and nights. Etc. That particular approach to the text
would appear to be alive and well today.
I don't agree with you. Those references do not imply a belief in the
existence of Abraham et. al., rather they refer to very well known
stories and characters. I could easily (well, not me so easily, but
someone could) make a moral point by referring to Luke Skywalker and
Yoda, that does not mean that I think that those people existed as
real people.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "MDS" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 04:20:40 PM |
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_AnonCoward wrote:
"R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Vc74g.10205$oW1.5839@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
:
: "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
: news:1146130978.607627.176540@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
:
: > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/04/17/lunar.rocks/index.html
: >
: > "New dating of lunar rocks add to a growing body of evidence that the
: > moon and Earth were pelted by a flurry of large meteorites during a
: > relatively brief geologic time span about 3.9 billion years ago. Known
: > as the "Late Heavy Bombardment," or LHB, this period of heightened
: > meteorite activity would have had important implications for life on
: > Earth, since it coincides roughly with the time that scientists think
: > the first primitive bacteria appeared on our planet."
: >
: > Where, in Genesis, does it even hint that this happened? Nowhere. The
: > writers had no clue about this. They never even imagined it! Yet if
: > the Earth is only 6,000 or so years old as Bible Chronology spells out,
: >
: I readily admit, I'm no expert of the Bible, but no one has pointed
: out a passage where the Bible claims the Earth is 6,000 years old.
: If the accuser cannot, then the accuser is the _real_ liar.
:
:
: > and humans were here almost from day one, they cannot have failed to
: > have seen it.
: >
: I suspect another falsehood falsely attributed to the Bible. Point to
: the Bible verse(s) that claims that humans were here _from_ day
: one. If the accouser cannot, then he is the _liar_.
The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible to
argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place the
creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
earth and the heavens,
and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
man to till the ground.
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
a living soul.
The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
creation.
I don't know why people get so confused about this. The so-called
second creation account is simply a more in-depth account of man's
creation that adds to the main account but does not detract from it. As
for the "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"
you're obviously not a Biblical scholar. As any scholar knows, the
so-called Day Of Judgment is referring to a time period of judgement
that will without any doubt be longer than one, 24-hour day. In Genesis
"in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
heavens" is simply referring to the six-day period as a day. No more.
No less.
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
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27 Apr 2006 10:19:19 PM |
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"MDS" <mrdrsir@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message
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:
: _AnonCoward wrote:
: >
: > "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: > news:Vc74g.10205$oW1.5839@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
: > :
: > : "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
: > : news:1146130978.607627.176540@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
<snip (a long lost art, it would seem anymore...)>
: > : > and humans were here almost from day one, they cannot have failed to
: > : > have seen it.
: > : >
: > : I suspect another falsehood falsely attributed to the Bible. Point to
: > : the Bible verse(s) that claims that humans were here _from_ day
: > : one. If the accouser cannot, then he is the _liar_.
: >
: > The claim was "almost from", not "from" day one. Even so, it is possible
: > to argue that the 2nd creation narrative in Genesis does in fact place
: > the creation of Adam on the first day of creation.
: >
: > Genesis 2:4 - 7 (KJV):
: >
: > These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth
: > when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the
: > earth and the heavens,
: >
: > and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
: > every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
: > not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a
: > man to till the ground.
: >
: > But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole
: > face of the ground.
: >
: > And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and
: > breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
: > a living soul.
: >
: > The key phrase is "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
: > heavens". According to Genesis 1, that occurred on the first day of
: > creation.
:
:
: I don't know why people get so confused about this. The so-called
: second creation account is simply a more in-depth account of man's
: creation that adds to the main account but does not detract from it. As
: for the "the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"
: you're obviously not a Biblical scholar.
Obviously not. Neither are you, by the looks of things. So that pretty much
makes us even.
: As any scholar knows, the
: so-called Day Of Judgment is referring to a time period of judgement
: that will without any doubt be longer than one, 24-hour day. In Genesis
: "in the day that the LORD GOD made the earth and the
: heavens" is simply referring to the six-day period as a day. No more.
: No less.
That is a selective interpretation of the text that ignores what is actually
written. The first narrative was speaking of six days of creation and
specifically puts the creation of the heavens and the earth in day one. The
second narrative states that Adam was created in the day that the heavens
and the earth was created. If we are consider the second narrative to be a
companion piece to the first narrative, then they should agree in how they
are using the language. If the first narrative is speaking of 6, 24 hour
days, then the same word for day ("yom") also must be referring to a 24 hour
day in the second narrative. There is nothing in the text itself to suggest
the author is suddenly referring to a time span greater than a literal day
in the second narrative. That interpretation is superimposed over the text
in order to force it into agreement with the first narrative in order to
make the bible conform to doctrine (rather than bring doctrine into
conformance with the bible).
Second, you are saying that the second narrative is a more in-depth
treatment of the first narrative, detailing how God made Adam and Eve on the
sixth day of creation. If so, then why are you arguing that "the day that
the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" in Gen 2:4 is referring to the
entire six days of creation? Which is it - is the second narrative
describing the events of one day or six?
Third, the details are all wrong in the two narratives for the argument that
Genesis 2 is a detailed discussion of the sixth day of creation to stand up.
In first narrative, Adam and Eve are created in a single event on the sixth
day but in the second narrative Adam is created independently of Eve on the
first day. In the first narrative, plants and animals are created before
Adam, but in the second narrative they are created after Adam. A better and
more coherent interpretation of the two texts is to recognize them as being
two independent (and inconsistent) narratives that were brought together at
some later point. But to see the text for what it is would not agree with
the doctrine of biblical inerrancy so instead the text is twisted into
something it isn't in order to make it fit a man made doctrine.
Ralf
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Those who assert that scripture is inerrant or is to be
understood literally invariably find themselves confronted
with the need to ignore or distort the plain meaning of the
text. In the process, they change the scriptures to bring
them into conformance with their doctrine rather than
modifying their doctrine to bring it into conformance with
scripture.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
27 Apr 2006 10:33:10 PM |
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Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 04:02:19 AM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 08:41:14 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
bd4u
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 05:35:31 PM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146231674.904639.200580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices
in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
Feeling is a brain activity - the heart is a relatively simple pump.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 06:59:46 PM |
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Mindfucked wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146231674.904639.200580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices
in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
Feeling is a brain activity - the heart is a relatively simple pump.
You are welcome to believe what ya want, but EVERY mystic in the world
recognizes the Seven Chakra's, and thier position in the body.
l8r..
bd4u
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 07:19:42 PM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146268786.226812.48810@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
Feeling is a brain activity - the heart is a relatively simple pump.
You are welcome to believe what ya want, but EVERY mystic in the world
recognizes the Seven Chakra's, and thier position in the body.
All encoded neurologically!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 09:42:51 PM |
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Mindfucked wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146268786.226812.48810@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
Feeling is a brain activity - the heart is a relatively simple pump.
You are welcome to believe what ya want, but EVERY mystic in the world
recognizes the Seven Chakra's, and thier position in the body.
All encoded neurologically!
Neuro, means nerves, it also relates to "feelings". Also the nerves may
be
connected to the brain, but the majority of nerves surround the heart.
Neither
are the nerves the Brain, it is a seperate part of the body. Out of
the 7 Chakra's {life force energy centers) The Heart is in the center
of them
all. Neurologically the Brain can die, but not necessarrily the Heart
stop pumping
when it does.
Think about it..
bd4u
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 09:29:28 AM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146231674.904639.200580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices
in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
bd4u
Then perhaps you should see a cardiologist. You heart pumps blood - it's
not a source of emotion.
It's all in your own head.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 11:36:40 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146231674.904639.200580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing voices
in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
bd4u
Then perhaps you should see a cardiologist. You heart pumps blood - it's
not a source of emotion.
It's all in your own head.
You can believe what you want, I could care less. Especially when you
believe me to have said something else, other than what I have said.
I can tell you have NO "spiritual" awareness at ALL, from what you have
said.
Your loss not mine, if all you want is what the earth (flesh) has. I
know
for a fact and without doubt, that humans are much more than you have
suggested. Based on your suggestion, one is to assume there is
absolutely
NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not mine
to begin with.
bd4u
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 12:11:09 PM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146242200.300180.30960@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146231674.904639.200580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146195190.726137.203950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Why people bother to "argue" the Bible, I dunno!
Until you accept it at face value, it ain't worth a darn.
Mind you accepting it, has nothing to do with proving it
in any way.
Granted the Bible is seriously flawed, yet the Holy Spirit
works through it any ways, and points out what makes
sense, and not what doesn't. The Holy Spirit tells the
truth only. If it's not the truth, the Holy Spirit doesn't say
ANYthing about it.
Of course what man thinks is the truth, may not be what
the Holy Spirit tells people for reasons that should be obvious.
bd4u
The holy spirit does ***** all.
Nobody talks to you certainly not any gods and if you're hearing
voices
in
your head you're schizophrenic - go get medicated.
The Holy Spirit is not a "voice in your head", it's a "feeling in your
heart"
But some people are just too smart for thier own GO(o)D, and think too
much. While others can't or don't love GO(o)D enuff, to feel what the
Holy Spirit guides them to UNDERstand about. Please note the "under"
in UNDERstand. As it means you must be humble to receive ANYthing
at all! Which apparently, yer NOT!
bd4u
Then perhaps you should see a cardiologist. You heart pumps blood - it's
not a source of emotion.
It's all in your own head.
You can believe what you want, I could care less. Especially when you
believe me to have said something else, other than what I have said.
I can tell you have NO "spiritual" awareness at ALL, from what you have
said.
Your loss not mine, if all you want is what the earth (flesh) has. I
know
for a fact and without doubt, that humans are much more than you have
suggested. Based on your suggestion, one is to assume there is
absolutely
NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not mine
to begin with.
bd4u
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not mine
to begin with"
Says it all really.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 01:40:30 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not mine
to begin with"
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 01:45:41 PM |
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not mine
to begin with"
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
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| User: "R.D. Heilman" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
28 Apr 2006 04:25:40 PM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well. Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
When in our 30s, 40s even 50s our mortality is far
removed from our thinking. Somewhere in the dark
recesses of our minds, however, we know someday
we shall die. However, this seems so far in the remote
future that it seems unreal. But when one reaches
the 60s ones mortality becomes much more of a reality.
RD
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
03 May 2006 12:03:29 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
When in our 30s, 40s even 50s our mortality is far
removed from our thinking. Somewhere in the dark
recesses of our minds, however, we know someday
we shall die. However, this seems so far in the remote
future that it seems unreal. But when one reaches
the 60s ones mortality becomes much more of a reality.
If you live long enough your brain will turn to mush and you
won't care.
RD
Barry
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
03 May 2006 02:01:07 PM |
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"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
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kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
When in our 30s, 40s even 50s our mortality is far
removed from our thinking. Somewhere in the dark
recesses of our minds, however, we know someday
we shall die. However, this seems so far in the remote
future that it seems unreal. But when one reaches
the 60s ones mortality becomes much more of a reality.
If you live long enough your brain will turn to mush and you
won't care.
In some instances, but not all.
RD
Barry
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
04 May 2006 12:55:00 PM |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 15:01:07 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1v0g52t1rp5blrl36l552lcoh69d410ekd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss, not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
It's fact, not opinion. Christians own words indicate that.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
They're deluded.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "R.D. Heilman" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
05 May 2006 09:42:14 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 15:01:07 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1v0g52t1rp5blrl36l552lcoh69d410ekd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman"
<rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss,
not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
It's fact, not opinion. Christians own words indicate that.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
They're deluded.
Perhaps, but they are happier in their so-called delusion than
you & I.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
05 May 2006 10:43:24 AM |
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On Fri, 5 May 2006 10:42:14 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:osfk52d1uisj7ao42bmdcnb55ggotorm8j@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 May 2006 15:01:07 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1v0g52t1rp5blrl36l552lcoh69d410ekd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman"
<rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss,
not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
It's fact, not opinion. Christians own words indicate that.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
They're deluded.
Perhaps, but they are happier in their so-called delusion than
you & I.
Many are not happier in their delusion.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
05 May 2006 07:32:07 PM |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:43:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ljsm52140v619qvauqeqgdit0lvrjngsen@4ax.com>
On Fri, 5 May 2006 10:42:14 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:osfk52d1uisj7ao42bmdcnb55ggotorm8j@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 May 2006 15:01:07 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1v0g52t1rp5blrl36l552lcoh69d410ekd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman"
<rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your loss,
not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
It's fact, not opinion. Christians own words indicate that.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
They're deluded.
Perhaps, but they are happier in their so-called delusion than
you & I.
Many are not happier in their delusion.
Many, whilst happier in their delusion, make other's lives a misery,
if not actually impossible.
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| User: "R.D. Heilman" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that the Bible Literally Lies |
05 May 2006 08:20:56 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:43:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ljsm52140v619qvauqeqgdit0lvrjngsen@4ax.com>
On Fri, 5 May 2006 10:42:14 -0400, "R.D. Heilman" <rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:osfk52d1uisj7ao42bmdcnb55ggotorm8j@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 May 2006 15:01:07 -0400, "R.D. Heilman"
<rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1v0g52t1rp5blrl36l552lcoh69d410ekd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400, "R.D. Heilman"
<rdhsr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
news:P-KdnXfoEs1I_8_ZRVny2w@bt.com...
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1146249630.220996.37050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
"NOTHING to look forward to once you are dead. Again your
loss,
not
mine
to begin with"> >>
Says it all really.
Yes, it does.. ..about YOU!
About why you cling to your belief
I think people who believe that there is life after this
life to are to an extent envied by unbelievers.
At least believers are assured by their faith that there
is something after this life, consequently are more
at peace with the fact that death is inevitable, not only
for oneselves, but loved ones as well.
The afterlife is promoted as a carrot and stick means of
getting people to obey the priests. Many Christians live in
fear of what will happen to them after death.
This is your opinion and certainly you are entitled to it.
It's fact, not opinion. Christians own words indicate that.
Not that anyone
looks foward to this event (maybe kooks & a few
fanatics)> In cases where parents lose a child or
some other loved ones, there is an abiding hope even
the expectation of re-joining these loved ones again
in a better place.
Wishful thinking.
Perhaps, but they are even more certain than you are.
They're deluded.
Perhaps, but they are happier in their so-called delusion than
you & I.
Many are not happier in their delusion.
Many, whilst happier in their delusion, make other's lives a misery,
if not actually impossible.
Ok, but How?
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